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Author Topic: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!  (Read 173290 times)

Offline NRGFromTheVacuum

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #150 on: March 01, 2009, 05:53:39 AM »
Can someone just post the proper circuit that was used on the youtube clips.
Every drawing seems to be different all the time?
The guy shorts 3 wires together and uses only one cap that charges.
If somebody makes me a proper drawing that is unanimously agreed on, then i'll spend time on it and do whatever anyone wants...make video's ect....but PLEASE...let's have a drawing of the circuit that is agreed on first?

Some drawings say to use 2 caps...some show one cap, but only 2 wires shorted?
There needs to be one cap and 3 wires shorted!
Scotty.


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« Reply #151 on: March 01, 2009, 06:12:47 AM »
Interesting, different than I thought.  :o But thanks for sharing it! BTW, what is the inductance of the coil? By the proposed theory, the main purpose of the coil is to increase the relaxation time?

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #152 on: March 01, 2009, 10:13:31 AM »
Here is the circuit diagram a bit better to see.

I deleted the part to discharge the right cap, cause it
confuses too much.

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« Reply #152 on: March 01, 2009, 10:13:31 AM »
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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #153 on: March 01, 2009, 10:22:51 AM »
Here is the other circuit from user STARK.

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #154 on: March 01, 2009, 11:43:54 AM »
Thanks Harti.....but too late for me... ;D
I sat down and worked it out myself.....
In the end I come up with the same circuit as your first diagram...later i'll test the other one.
Here is what I did.
I used my magnet motor to charge a 25V cap  ;D.....then I shorted the 2 wires to the metal plate.
My load cap charged to about 150v on average, with a 1V drop on the 25V supply cap.
Sometimes I got around 300V but not when I was filming...of course..(around 2 or 3 V drop of source)
I tried many coils and found that the low ohm coils worked best.
The 2 coils I used have 4 ohms each...1500 turns of 16g wire.
I made a video but it is still processing so here is the link to my you tube channel.
The clip should be available soon.
http://www.youtube.com/scotty7129

Something I noticed was that the test worked best when the timing of the short matched the rise time of the coil......because I've used these coils loads of times I know how long they take to reach their peak....that is how I got some 300V readings....but I lost about 2 or 3 volts on the source cap.

BTW..thanks to Magnethos for taking time to mail me.
Tomorrow i'll make some tests without the "split pos"  that i used this time.

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Offline Omega_0

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #155 on: March 01, 2009, 01:53:45 PM »
Thanks Harti.....but too late for me... ;D
I sat down and worked it out myself.....
In the end I come up with the same circuit as your first diagram...later i'll test the other one.
Here is what I did.
I used my magnet motor to charge a 25V cap  ;D.....then I shorted the 2 wires to the metal plate.
My load cap charged to about 150v on average, with a 1V drop on the 25V supply cap.
Sometimes I got around 300V but not when I was filming...of course..(around 2 or 3 V drop of source)
I tried many coils and found that the low ohm coils worked best.
The 2 coils I used have 4 ohms each...1500 turns of 16g wire.
I made a video but it is still processing so here is the link to my you tube channel.
The clip should be available soon.
http://www.youtube.com/scotty7129

Something I noticed was that the test worked best when the timing of the short matched the rise time of the coil......because I've used these coils loads of times I know how long they take to reach their peak....that is how I got some 300V readings....but I lost about 2 or 3 volts on the source cap.

BTW..thanks to Magnethos for taking time to mail me.
Tomorrow i'll make some tests without the "split pos"  that i used this time.

Scotty.


You forgot to mention the capacities of both the capacitors. Please let us know.
Waiting for the vid.

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #156 on: March 01, 2009, 04:22:35 PM »
There are no diodes, or semiconductors involved in my circuit for the obvious reason, they require energy to operate.
Semiconductors are far better, for obvious reasons. They can switch far faster than you, and have better timing. Your circuit would be more efficient if you used a timer and MOSFET.

Not sure why you call it a bifilar coil. Looks like a single strand of wire.

IMO there's nothing special here. Just either your large cap is far less than 7500uF (partially damaged), or the dielectric absorption is not being considered. Perhaps you could measure the capacitance. Just discharge the cap, place an appropriate resistor in series with the cap, connect the battery to it for a certain time (time it), and then measure the DC voltage. Here's an RC time constant calculator -->

http://www.cvs1.uklinux.net/cgi-bin/calculators/time_const.cgi

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #157 on: March 01, 2009, 04:30:10 PM »

You forgot to mention the capacities of both the capacitors. Please let us know.
Waiting for the vid.

Yes, I noticed that too. His video shows two caps, large and small, and a supply, but his circuit shows one cap, LOL. After his post I quickly saw what's happening here, and decide to forget about this case.

PL

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #158 on: March 01, 2009, 05:51:05 PM »
Here is the circuit diagram a bit better to see.

I deleted the part to discharge the right cap, cause it
confuses too much.

Regards, Stefan.

Stefan,

That circuit you posted is incorrect!

The part you deleted is not just used to discharge the cap, its used to charge it also.

If people are going to try and replicate the experiment then they need to use the circuit I posted, exactly how I posted it.

Let me draw it this way so there is no confusion.





« Last Edit: March 01, 2009, 06:41:49 PM by NRGFromTheVacuum »

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #159 on: March 01, 2009, 07:11:42 PM »
Semiconductors are far better, for obvious reasons. They can switch far faster than you, and have better timing. Your circuit would be more efficient if you used a timer and MOSFET.

You are correct about semiconductors being far better at switching than a person, however they still consume energy to operate. You stated yourself that overcoming the losses in your own circuit was a challenge. This is the sole reason I do not use them in my circuit.

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Not sure why you call it a bifilar coil. Looks like a single strand of wire.

There are 2 wires tied together at the ends and wrapped side by side around the core. There is a reason behind that construction, but you cannot understand it with conventional wisdom. 


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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #160 on: March 01, 2009, 07:38:31 PM »
NRGFromTheV,

Aren't you interested in measuring the capacitance of your capacitors?  IMO this might help solve all of this.  Rapid discharging such large electrolytics can slowly damage them over time. So even though the label might say 7500uF, it could be 6000uF. In one of my recent posts in this thread I gave you the simple directions how to measure the capacitance. If you need help figuring out the appropriate resistance for the resistor then let me know.

BTW, the best efficiency I've seen so far is 123%. The calculations that Stefan gave was unusable IMO because the blue cap DC voltage only changed by 0.01V !  That's insufficient resolution.

PL

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #161 on: March 01, 2009, 07:53:19 PM »
To be clear, the capacitance of both caps should be measured immediately after using them in the experiments. So go ahead and do your spark experiment to get the before and after DC voltages, then use the following method to measure the capacitance of the blue cap then the gray cap -->

Discharge the cap. Place a battery across a resistor and capacitor for a certain time (time it), and then measure the DC voltage. So you'll have a resistor in-series with the capacitor. This is an RC circuit. Here's an RC time constant calculator -->
http://www.cvs1.uklinux.net/cgi-bin/calculators/time_const.cgi

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #162 on: March 01, 2009, 08:31:55 PM »
To be clear, the capacitance of both caps should be measured immediately after using them in the experiments. So go ahead and do your spark experiment to get the before and after DC voltages, then use the following method to measure the capacitance of the blue cap then the gray cap -->

Discharge the cap. Place a battery across a resistor and capacitor for a certain time (time it), and then measure the DC voltage. So you'll have a resistor in-series with the capacitor. This is an RC circuit. Here's an RC time constant calculator -->
http://www.cvs1.uklinux.net/cgi-bin/calculators/time_const.cgi

PL

Paul,

I measured my capacitors on a calibrated Keithley meter at my work.

The Blue cap is a bit over 7500uF actually it measures at 7,725uF

The Grey cap also measures over the written value 32.10uF vs 30uF.

Keep in mind I fill both capacitors with Dirac Sea Holes on occasion, so they preform a little different then standard capacitors charged with electrons.

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #163 on: March 01, 2009, 09:45:51 PM »
The Blue cap is a bit over 7500uF actually it measures at 7,725uF

The Grey cap also measures over the written value 32.10uF vs 30uF.

I never heard about that in your videos. Why not tell us the whole story at once.  :) Anyhow, that answers half of it. Dielectric relaxation is significant in electrolytic caps, which is why I wrote to *immediately* measure the capacitance after doing your spark tests.

PL

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #164 on: March 01, 2009, 11:12:31 PM »
Here is my clip.
I used my magnet motor to charge my source cap...no batteries used at all.
Batteries are not balanced right anyway......they have more pos than neg in them mostly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km8zBsN41Ik

I'll just act as a neutral tester and you guy's can tell me what to do.
I have loads of equipment, caps, coils ect.
That way there can be no bias in the testing.

cheers
Scotty.

 

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