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Offline Frederic2k1

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #105 on: February 25, 2009, 08:30:55 PM »
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Explain me more about that, because that extremely fast switching time it's difficult to replicate by me.

You need a cascade-amplifier to generate high-voltage potential and store this in one or more caps. Then you need a spark gap, where the distance between each contact can be adjusted with a screw. Above and under the gap is in each case a perment magnet or an electro magnet, it will "blow" out the spark when it discharges.

That is the principle behind the magnetically quenched spark gap, the level of voltage and the distance will define the frequency, the magnetic flux of pm or e-magnet will define the shortness of the spark (time-duration)

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I don't know how to calculate the relaxation time using variables as the high-inductive coils. I only know to calculate the relaxation time in pure metals.

I also don't know how to calculate it. I think there is need for experimenting, because there are doubtless some more factors involved.


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« Reply #106 on: February 25, 2009, 08:37:01 PM »
Frederik,
 
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In the other threads of the TPU-subforum I often hear the people crying for very fast switching and I think that this is the key to overunity.

And we need nothing more than a spark-gap, then you have your very fast switch. Also in many Tesla-patents he used his spark-gap and you can control the frequenz of switching by changing the capacitance of your condenser or the distance between the gap.

My question is... How can I change the Frequency and what is the maximum frequency that I can achieve? Using the spark-gap

You have just said that the distance between spark-gaps and the voltage can adjust the frequency. Any formula? Or I need to experiment?
The important question is... Can I achieve a frequency of 10 ^ -14 secs ? (100,000,000,000,000 Hz)

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« Reply #107 on: February 25, 2009, 08:46:06 PM »
The important question is... Can I achieve a frequency of 10 ^ -14 secs ? (100,000,000,000,000 Hz)

Why do you need such a frequency ? Use high-inductive coils and there will be no need to achive frequencies in this dimension.

Tesla was not only able to charge capacitors with this sudden disruptive discharge, he tried to collect the aetheric scalar waves with a device, described in Patent # 685,958 "Method of Utilizing Radiant Energy."

With this device he was able to collect the radient waves from the aether (the cold-electricity which he created) and convert it to conventional electrical current.

Will you see this method on a real free energy device ? Then look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rFjrPo9mws


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« Reply #108 on: February 25, 2009, 09:02:28 PM »
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Why do you need such a frequency ? Use high-inductive coils and there will be no need to achive frequencies in this dimension.

I think I need to use that frequency because if I use a lower freq, then the current saturates the circuit and I would be drawing current from the battery. But using the high-inductive coil... as you say, the relaxation time changes... but how much? we don't know...

So... if you say that using high-inductive coils, I don't need to use that high frequency... Can I extract pure potential from the source? I know there is a lot of theory in the net, but I haven't seen a succesfull replication yet.

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #109 on: February 25, 2009, 09:12:57 PM »
@ magnethos

sorry, you don't understand me right.

Haven't you seen a "Current / Voltage" graph of a high-inductive coil?

First there is voltage, and then later comes the current. So every high-inductive coil is in fact a device to increase the saturation-time...
As I mentioned before, NRG were never be able to achieve overunity when he hasn't that high-inductive coil. With it, the relaxation-time increases to a range, where he can switch per hand...

Did you ever read the book "Free Energy secrets of cold electricity" ?

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« Reply #110 on: February 25, 2009, 09:39:20 PM »
Thanks very much Frederick  :)

I haven't seen a graph of an high-inductive coil.
About the Peter's book, I have heard about it but I haven't read it.
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So, if I use this schematic... I would be extracting pure potential from the battery.
Schematic explanation:
A battery is connected to the high-inductive coils, 2, so the saturation-time is more than 1 msec.
The capacitor bank is controled by a switch. In the first cycle the cap bank is conected to the source (and NOT to the load, device, etc...) to get the pure potential and in the second cycle the cap bank is connected to the load and NOT to the source. In the second cycle the load gets the energy stored in the caps. And then we need to repeat these 2 cycles again and again.

You said that using some High-Inductive Coils we can get pure potential from the battery. I think using 2 is high enough to increase the saturation time and we will be able to get only pure potential from the source and charge the caps.

Am I right or not about the theory? I see this experiment extremely easy to be true. For that reason I ask to you..

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« Reply #111 on: February 25, 2009, 10:09:28 PM »

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You said that using some High-Inductive Coils we can get pure potential from the battery.

No, you misunderstood me a bit at this point. There will always be some current, not only voltage. I think to get pure potential we have to deal with very short duration switching and very high-inductive coils, but you get the point.

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About the Peter's book, I have heard about it but I haven't read it.

Try to get it. In my eyes it is the best book about this topic. The secret of tesla is so damn good described in this book. I researched notes, articles, colorado spring notes and so on about tesla and tesla patents for years, but I never found the so called tesla secret. I didn't found it because I'm an electrical engineer and I saw his circuits always from the conventionel electrical sight... never from the unconventional (cold-electricity) view...

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #112 on: February 25, 2009, 10:21:29 PM »
No, you misunderstood me a bit at this point. There will always be some current, not only voltage. I think to get pure potential we have to deal with very short duration switching and very high-inductive coils, but you get the point.

Sorry, I explained it bad. I meant that using high-inductive coils we can increase the saturation-time. Of course, we need to switch very fast also to get pure potential because if we use only the high-inductive coils it's impossible to get 100% pure potential.. So, using some high-inductive coils in series + very fast switch = pure potential. And we can use the technique you explained, to get a fast switching time.  :)
Maybe I will use 4 or 5 H-Inductive Coils to increase the saturation-time. I need to think about the possibility of using more or less coils.

In the next month I will try to get the book. Because I have a lot of books about electronic healing, to read in my bedroom.

So... I think we have the answer. We only need to build and see what happens. In theory, this device will work.

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #113 on: February 25, 2009, 10:37:37 PM »
As I mentioned before, NRG were never be able to achieve overunity when he hasn't that high-inductive coil. With it, the relaxation-time increases to a range, where he can switch per hand...

It's the *only* way he's going to achieve "free energy," and that's exactly what he's using, a bifilar ferrite core.

PL
« Last Edit: February 25, 2009, 11:02:34 PM by PaulLowrance »

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« Reply #114 on: February 25, 2009, 11:34:18 PM »
There is one event in the video at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RGgrkMocCo

watch minute 1:07 and 1:09.

where the COP is at least 5 in my calculation.

Have a look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3fxOqjSsyc

He calculates COP= 16,
depends on what exact voltages you read there.
Also the chargeup backside cap is only 30 uF and not 32 uF.

But this is extremly interesting and definately overunity.

My calculation got me COP= 5  with using the 
start voltage= 25.88 Volts and end voltage 25.87 Volts on
the 7500 uF supply cap C1 and the 30 uF charge cap C2 charged up to 25.62 Volts.

So lets calculate:

Before test:
EnergyC1= 0.5 x (25.88)^2 x 0.0075 Farad= 2.511654 Joules

After test:
EnergyC1= 0.5 x (25.87)^2 x 0.0075 Farad= 2.509713375 Joules

Energy lost in cap C1= 0.001940625 Joules

Energy in Cap C2= 0.5 x (25.62)^2 x 0.000030 Farad= 0.009845766 Joules

So COP = 0.009845766 Joules  / 0.001940625 Joules = 5.07

Regards, Stefan.



Hi,

Here ar my thoughts:

D = Cap1 / Cap2 = 7500uF / 32uF = 234

If you connect the charged Cap1 directly to Cap2, the charge of Cap2 will be:

UCap2 = UCap1 - (UCap1 - 1/D) = 25,87V - (25,87 - 1/234) = 25,76V

If you go via the coil, Cap1 will build up a magnetic field in the coil. When the current is switched off, the magnetic field will break down and make a high voltage output. This high voltage is charging Cap2 to higher voltage. You did also see that Cap1 was discharging more rapidly during those tests - maybe there is a connection between taken energy and energy left?

Simply put: You cannot only measure voltage. And the calcs shows there is nothing mysterious going on. He claims that 1V is 234V. Ofcourse - Cap2 has 234 times less capacity, so in theory he could use that setup to charge Cap2 that much, but then the 1V has dropped to zero.

Hoestly, i cannot find any vacuum energy going on here. I am tired of misleading measurements. Put this Cap1, and Cap2 in a motor and see if it runs forever. That would provide evidence of COP 16 or not.

Br.

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« Reply #115 on: February 25, 2009, 11:41:09 PM »
There's nothing misleading in his calculations. The math *clearly* shows "free energy."  So, either it's -->

A. "Free energy"
B. Something wrong with his cap. Perhaps slightly damaged and less than 7500uF.
C. The caps dielectric absorption is high enough to explain the results.

Here's the clear cut math on one of his measurements shown in his video -->

Hi Stefan,

That's definitely worth investigating!!  Another example is 1 minute and 50 seconds into the first video at -->

1:50 to 1:54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RGgrkMocCo

Blue cap: (0.5*22.07^2*7500e-6 - 0.5*20.23^2*7500e-6) = 0.29187 J
Gray cap: 0.5*155^2*30e-6 = 0.360375 J
Efficiency: 0.360375 J / 0.29187 J = 123%

That's over 100% efficiency!

PL

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Re: Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!
« Reply #116 on: February 25, 2009, 11:55:02 PM »
@all

I posted this circuit a long ago. I stumbled today with this thread. The odd thing is that I was trying to do something similar.
Maybe this circuit can help you and me on our quest for free energy.
It is the same principle used here but using a transistor to connect the coil and the battery.

The question is: Does anybody knows what needs to be changed on it in order to make it work?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5924.msg134972#msg134972

Jesus

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« Reply #117 on: February 26, 2009, 12:09:55 AM »
That brings up a good point. A lot of people seem to think that sparks are what makes "free energy."  I totally disagree. I'd bet anything that if this guy put in a mosfet to remove the spark stuff that it would be even more efficient. Marcus Wagner has also has a bifilar iron core coil that looks almost exactly like this guys. Marcus Wagner claims to have at least one time made his solid-state design self-running! And with no sparks!!

If you look at my magnetic research you'll see two coils that meet in the middle canceling each other other. The bifilar core coil could have the same type of effect, which is to first slowly magnetize the core in this low effective permeability state, and then let one of the coils to rapidly flip.

There's a lot more to it though. I already have the detailed FEMM files that clearly shows "free energy," and it's backed up with conventional magnetic theory. So both conventional magnetic theory and mathematics show "free energy."  There's nothing wrong with well-established conventional mathematics. The problems is in the scientists that limit it. For example, the said genius that wrote LTspice has said that conventional mathematics shows that diodes should rectify Johnson noise, and I've proven that. It's clear cut, no two ways about it. And a few weeks ago I proved with conventional mathematics that my magnetic theory *must* work according to conventional physics.

It's only a matter of time now. It's difficult to make a design that will overcome the great losses in transistors and wire resistance, but it's doable. If you people want to succeed in "free energy," then take the path of concrete logic. Intuition is great, but it's only going to get you to the approximate area, and from there it's up to concrete logic to find the details-- mathematics and detailed concepts. The mathematics of conventional has not failed us. It works all the time. It got us into space. It's the scientists that use such math that have failed us in regards to "free energy." They simply *refuse* to entertain such thoughts because of one of the greatest crimes in history --> the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. My diode research proved that 2LoT is *not* a law, but a tendency.

It's a guarantee. Global Free Energy in 2009!

PL

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« Reply #118 on: February 26, 2009, 12:39:48 AM »
That brings up a good point. A lot of people seem to think that sparks are what makes "free energy."  I totally disagree. I'd bet anything that if this guy put in a mosfet to remove the spark stuff that it would be even more efficient.
....
PL

I post this circuit hoping that you can point out how to add the mosfet to it.
I am new to electronics, even though I can draw a schematic from several others.

Jesus

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« Reply #119 on: February 26, 2009, 04:19:57 AM »
guys,  once again the phenomena shown in the videos is because of the electrolitic capacitor's properties,  they are not constant and the simplistic equation does not hold.

A more appropriate equation is of the form:

C = A  +  B/(1 + w^2 t)

see this paper here:

http://www.millersville.edu/~physics/exp.of.the.month/104/index.html

EM

 

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