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Author Topic: DEK motor with U-coreless coil or Lenz boxing against Lentz  (Read 57445 times)

Offline woopy

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Re: DEK motor with U-coreless coil or Lenz boxing against Lentz
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2009, 11:26:49 PM »
@BEP

very interesting what you said about rotating a coper disk with a 8UCC  please go on searching for the photos   i made a
 test today with a new 44 turns  ( i will try to make all the comparison with 44 turns of 0.5 mm copper wire       wound around a varta battery of 4.5 volt      and under the same battery power of 4.5 volts        its takes me about 5 minutes to make one UCC  so please replicate and retrofit your experience)    8UCC  and it could be interesting also for what i am looking for.

@all

see how i make very cheap rapid and accurate  test  to give the direction and power work      for the fine tuning i hope the Doctors will come in  ;)

and now let's go for the real things   i ordered  the magnets  this morning  and       let's go to the workshop 

of course   and please  idea for the timing     power stage    and finally but atmost important the recovering of collapsing field


good night at all   


et que la joie demeure! ;D


Laurent

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Re: DEK motor with U-coreless coil or Lenz boxing against Lentz
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2009, 07:58:58 PM »
I've just built a pulse motor testbed with precision bearings. I will be experimenting with DEK UCC on it first.

I have not started the software yet, but initial specs are:

timing phase (10th degree resolution)
timing pulse width (10th degree resolution)
show RPM
show input power (true RMS)

I've ran the motor up using just the reed switch and it runs OK. The magnets are diametrically polarised, the poles appear on opposite sides of the circumference, the coil is 6cm diameter circle, 100 turns of 30AWG.

I am thinking of experimenting with shorting the coil during the exit phase by using a fast relay controlled by the micro, I'm hoping that maybe the perepetia effect can be made to appear and the BEMF can provide a physical kick out.

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Re: DEK motor with U-coreless coil or Lenz boxing against Lentz
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2009, 08:34:05 PM »
Woopy

looks like you hired a specialist [for your elec Doc]

 Yucca that belongs in a museum [of tomorrows history]

Absolutely BEAUTIFUL build

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Re: DEK motor with U-coreless coil or Lenz boxing against Lentz
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Re: DEK motor with U-coreless coil or Lenz boxing against Lentz
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2009, 12:04:40 AM »
@ yucca

almost      a swiss master piece :)

yes i am very happy that somebody takes the time to really experience the UCC  and how it  works     and not only how it works,  but you intend to do what i am not knowleged enough (yet)  to do    that is studying  the details of the  working principles

and  the output possibilities of the collapsing field

thank's a lot

@Ramset

This thread  is  the first  one where i go in       but i have in mind that we all have to do something to overcome a very mondial critical situation.   I can say to you that   3 years ago i  probably would have spent easily 10 000 euros to patent each of my ideas     and i  did  it   for the 3 previous decades      and i have really spent  around more than  100 000 euros  for that .    Furthermore  i was very  sceptical to open my brain to this forum    but it happens a very special history to a good inventor friend of mine       he patented one of his idea  (a very good one of  course)   the patent was world wide granted     and of course he spent   the mondial fees for that  and each years of course    and i can say to you that there is very    very expensive    and 9  (nine )  years    after   the worlwilde granting         a big company  got  interested to the idea   and as this company pay lawers at full job   they always come to results    and they found a failure in the patent     result patent     zero         think of it       !!!!!!!

@all

i am going on for the torquy DEK motor

the magnets are here  and now  lets go to the details   i will need probably 3 to 4 days to make the magnet holdings on the wheel + one or 2 days for the axle organisation


so the helpers  have  2 or 3 days from now to inform me   how about the coils  ;)        Gauge    turns   bifilar     i have  heard  of      Bob Teal       winding  (very interesting)  with strong  energy recovering  ?


input power      one  KOKAM lithium polymer  battery  40 AH ( 40 amps)  14  elements of 3.7 volt nominal  = 51.8 volts         4.2  volt maximal  at end of charge voltage =58.8 peak volts

input power  max 300 amps at  50 volts  = 15 000 watts (15 kw) max  for 1 minute

than about 6 to 8  kw for cruise flight


bravo a tous !

Laurent





 








Yes Ramset i have some knowledge   and very wide  but not so precise as you think    that's why i need you competence to go forward

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Re: DEK motor with U-coreless coil or Lenz boxing against Lentz
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2009, 12:37:36 AM »
and of course

i forgot the pictures of the project  :o

good night all


Laurent

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Re: DEK motor with U-coreless coil or Lenz boxing against Lentz
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Re: DEK motor with U-coreless coil or Lenz boxing against Lentz
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2009, 10:41:46 AM »
Thanks Laurent and Chet, it´s not as pretty up close as it looks on the photos ;). I only have a hand saw for wood and one file and no vice so my hands are still aching. I bent the acrylic on my gas stove and also put lots of tiny bubbles in it. :(

I will make a special strobe light: I will put red and green LEDs pointing at the coil, and stick white circles on the magnets, then I can light the LEDs with the micro like this:

Green for the coil on time.
Red for the coil short time.

This method combined with oscilloscope over the coil should help to get a physical feel for what´s going on.

My progress will be slow but steady, I have about 10 spare hours a week for doing this. I predict the microcontroller will take a couple of weeks to program.

Nice set of magnets you have Laurent, I will keep looking in regularly at your experimental building.

Also I may understand what happened when that outrunner delaminated a magnet:

The nickel coating might have had a tiny imperfection where it was not stuck properly to the magnet, the imperfection could have been very tiny.

During takeoff (max power) the tiny piece of nickel foil with air underneath got heated through eddy current and began to vaporise.

As it vaporised it made the imperfection larger and so more nickel foil became free, this caused more vaporisation etc. a runaway explosive effect.

To cure it you could remove the nickel coating from your magnets (use slow electrolysis through nickel and copper salt mix) and then recoat your magnets by dipping them in epoxy marine paint. I have never tried this myself so try with a scrap magnet first.

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Re: DEK motor with U-coreless coil or Lenz boxing against Lentz
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2009, 12:10:52 AM »
@yucca

very good idea for the  magnet 's delamination i will report to the manufacturer and see what they think

@all

i had a good discussion today with some friends of mine an we discussed of a possible working principle of the UCC

first  how  the Nali2001 circuit could bring back energy to spin a 3 volts  small engine   and prop + 3 leds           it    seems to be  that  the  Nali 2001 circuit transform      a part of the the JOULE (heat) accumulated in the coil  during the powering  pulse    back in electrical power          without this recovery circuit       this  energy would be     "lost "           in heat   unless of course you need heat ;D        anyway very good for the efficiency  !! :)

second i make an experiment

if you remember  on the DEK proto motor    i  fited a UCC  to work  as a generator    the result was very clear   it was a AC current    (unable to spin a DC motor)+ a strong decelarating of the the rotor

so today i tested a new setup  with the same "generator" UCC  but this time i put a Reed switch  to get only the generation output  when the magnet passed inside the UCC(see picture)  so i got  the current of only 1  directional movement of the magnet  inside the UCC   that is DC current  and it eems that the   the BEMF is very  very small      is it due to the fight of Lenz against himself  ???   of course this little set up is not  very reliable   and i encourage you to test yourself

very interesting


good night

Laurent

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Re: DEK motor with U-coreless coil or Lenz boxing against Lentz
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Re: DEK motor with U-coreless coil or Lenz boxing against Lentz
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2009, 03:46:55 AM »
@woopy

In ucc-boxing.jpg, area marked 'match null'.....
Please be aware that beyond an unknown distance the net will not be zero or even close to zero. If the distance is too great you should find one end of the magnet using attraction as inverse square while the other attraction is inverse cubed.
So, basically I suggest minimizing the distance of magnet travel from one loop of the coil to the other loop.
This distance will require experimentation. In any case the net should not be exactly null.

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Re: DEK motor with U-coreless coil or Lenz boxing against Lentz
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2009, 09:06:05 AM »
This device is intriguing, does it work? ...is there a movie of it?

I like the coil also, it's simple - easy to manufacture, similar to how they do bent coils in real manufacturing.

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Re: DEK motor with U-coreless coil or Lenz boxing against Lentz
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Re: DEK motor with U-coreless coil or Lenz boxing against Lentz
« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2009, 12:20:49 AM »
@BEP

I agree the relation between the length ( N-S) of the magnet  and the UCC legs is probably very important.

Have you some idea of what to do for the begining   i have thought that the length of the magnet (N-S) would be the half  of the gap between the UCC legs  ??

very good your magnet test system with a Ampclampmeter   very instructive comparisons :)

@jadaro2600

exactly as you said it is very simple to do    and you will see that it works very well   i don't have movies untill now

@all

and now i have to buy a scope to inspect  the details

i am very happy to learn a new matter :)     as my favorite one is aerodynamics and flying machines

good night

Laurent

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Re: DEK motor with U-coreless coil or Lenz boxing against Lentz
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2009, 02:45:34 PM »
@BEP and all

this night i had a new idea   

to avoid the reedswitch for a generator  UCC  and avoid  the precision of the commutation along the translation of the magnet    through the UCC  i have thought that the magnet could rotate  in the center of the UCC

I rapidly tested this setup this morning  and it gives a AC voltage

on the picture the black cylinder above is the prime mover  (the electronics around is nothing connected to nothing )      the magnet is a ring diametraly magnetised   (from a Faulhaber glocken anker motor)     it seems, i say it seems that when i shorted the coil there is no detectable deceleration of the primover

but of course  this set up is very poor  i will try to make a bigger rotor in a bigger UCC (with more windings) to better investigate

good luck

Laurent


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Re: DEK motor with U-coreless coil or Lenz boxing against Lentz
« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2009, 12:19:50 AM »
hello  every one

he he !!  :  )what about  the idea of a n   UCC insider rotating magnet  ???

i made a bigger test to night with very interesting results     as of the the distance  and the separation of the legs   and and and    so here some pictures
see the difference between a "squared  UCC    and a flat UCC   the power different seems to be very linked to the geometry of the UCC




very very intersting

good night

laurent

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Re: DEK motor with U-coreless coil or Lenz boxing against Lentz
« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2009, 11:08:13 PM »
@ all

i go on to understand better the UCC working principle :P

the rotating magnet inside the UCC is more complex that what i imagined     but very interesting :)

here under some of my last understanding of the UCC

some of the pictures have been taken out from internet  (so i don't know if there is any copyright   but as there is in private and good way use, i think there will be no problem)

just something in the last picture they say     "Work is done during the motion & it is transferred as electrical energy "   so if the UCC will need no (or very little)  WORK  (because Lenz boxing against Himself   if it is!!)  how is it possible to get

it working  as a motor or as a generator ??? ???



commentar are welcome

Laurent

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Re: DEK motor with U-coreless coil or Lenz boxing against Lentz
« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2009, 05:59:23 AM »
@ all

i go on to understand better the UCC working principle :P

the rotating magnet inside the UCC is more complex that what i imagined     but very interesting :)

here under some of my last understanding of the UCC

some of the pictures have been taken out from internet  (so i don't know if there is any copyright   but as there is in private and good way use, i think there will be no problem)

just something in the last picture they say     "Work is done during the motion & it is transferred as electrical energy "   so if the UCC will need no (or very little)  WORK  (because Lenz boxing against Himself   if it is!!) 


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how is it possible to get it working  as a motor or as a generator ??? ???

commentar are welcome

Laurent

Try this!!
It will charge batteries as a bedini motor.

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Re: DEK motor with U-coreless coil or Lenz boxing against Lentz
« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2009, 06:35:29 AM »
Is there a different between lenz and lentz? as spelled in the title?

Looking for a clarification.

 

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