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Title: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on January 31, 2009, 09:02:14 AM
How do you restrict amp flow and allow voltage to take over in a dead short condition,,, is it even possible ?

Could voltage rise to infinity?


ionization, Photon injection, Magnetic filtering, Uv excitement. Those are some of the things i've worked on before public knowledge thats wound up here, I've been told  that all of this was already known before i published any of it.

Now I can restrict amp flow in a dead short condition and allow voltage to take over, Who wants that credit? You've taken all the other so why stop now?

Perhaps i've shown it could be done not showing how to do it. Perhaps you've taken enough of my credit and i no longer want to share.

When i was told ionization was nothing new, that it was on many other sites before i published,  it made me angry because i  as well as many others know differently. There's alot that i've brought into this technology that i am not thanked for. Very few people appear to take things and put it on other forums Covering up Who the true researchers is.

Whoever you are that takes our work and strings it out so that the creators are not known, Ponder at the First vic ever caught on film for a while, I'm sure you'll figure it out, you've managed to figure everything else out that i've figured out.

Before i created ionizationx, when i was running about on these forums,,, There wasn't shit, I feel that i've brought this technology up atleast 90%, and yet the fame goes to the ignorant and the others that claim i've done nothing.

If this is so, how is it i have a working vic, and you don't. Do any of you remember what the technology was like before i got here? If i would have never came into this technology, where would it be today, Honest, those thats online all the time, the ones that watched me as a newbie up until now, have i had any impact on this technology what so ever?

Br, Hydrocarz at youtube just for you my friends. 

I think i've been wanting to say that for a long time,,, I think now was a good time for me to speak my thoughts. Lets see how this technology changes now that i have not been contributing for months, and i may not contribute any longer. Take that credit..
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Alien509 on January 31, 2009, 04:45:19 PM
Well, Stanley Meyer appeared in front of someone in school who told him exactly how to design it. Someone drew the pictures in chalk depicting how the water molecules interact and how the circuit should be designed. Then that person conversed with him for about half an hour until he had the idea. I suppose that's where the credit comes from. Keep in mind that does not diminish your intelligence or credibility. We need newer and better inventions. I wouldn't get all spiteful about it. Now I will say that the VIC does solve nearly every problem as far as gravity is concerned and it is an unlimited energy generator. I would be glad that such an idea was conceived and shared with the world. No I don't have a working VIC right now, this is true. I could have a nice one built if the powers that be would let me. Right now I am playing my cards out. Take a look at the big picture instead.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farlander on February 01, 2009, 07:33:54 AM
Sorry about your bad luck.  What did you expect?  You should always do something for yourself before you do it for fame or fortune, so if it doesn't work out, you can still be proud.  You sound a little disillusioned my friend well let me tell you that those people who steal lie and cheat will never amount to anything.  It's the hard workers who keep bringing information to the table to share even with people who would pass it off as their own research who will be successful in life.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Dave45 on February 01, 2009, 01:35:15 PM
I believe if your in this for fame or fortune your in the wrong research, watching an old man or lady on a low fixed income heat their house and power their car would be payment enough.
 My parents worked all their lives but didnt allow for their retirement my dad drew 530. a month by the time he paid his electric,gas for his car,phone he barely had enough money to eat.
If I find an answer I'll give it to the world and nobody will know where it came from, nobody.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 01, 2009, 05:27:04 PM
How do you restrict amp flow and allow voltage to take over in a dead short condition,,, is it even possible ?

Could voltage rise to infinity?


ionization, Photon injection, Magnetic filtering, Uv excitement. Those are some of the things i've worked on before public knowledge thats wound up here, I've been told  that all of this was already known before i published any of it.

Now I can restrict amp flow in a dead short condition and allow voltage to take over, Who wants that credit? You've taken all the other so why stop now?

Perhaps i've shown it could be done not showing how to do it. Perhaps you've taken enough of my credit and i no longer want to share.

When i was told ionization was nothing new, that it was on many other sites before i published,  it made me angry because i  as well as many others know differently. There's alot that i've brought into this technology that i am not thanked for. Very few people appear to take things and put it on other forums Covering up Who the true researchers is.

Whoever you are that takes our work and strings it out so that the creators are not known, Ponder at the First vic ever caught on film for a while, I'm sure you'll figure it out, you've managed to figure everything else out that i've figured out.

Before i created ionizationx, when i was running about on these forums,,, There wasn't shit, I feel that i've brought this technology up atleast 90%, and yet the fame goes to the ignorant and the others that claim i've done nothing.

If this is so, how is it i have a working vic, and you don't. Do any of you remember what the technology was like before i got here? If i would have never came into this technology, where would it be today, Honest, those thats online all the time, the ones that watched me as a newbie up until now, have i had any impact on this technology what so ever?

Br, Hydrocarz at youtube just for you my friends. 

I think i've been wanting to say that for a long time,,, I think now was a good time for me to speak my thoughts. Lets see how this technology changes now that i have not been contributing for months, and i may not contribute any longer. Take that credit..

You certainly have no claim to who did what first.  All the things you claim to have figured out were already laid out by Stan Meyer.  He did no hide things like everyone thinks - they just didn't understand  what he was saying.  Most people just created myths to fill in the gaps in there own understanding - turned Meyer into an urban legend.

If you are Stevie1001 - then I friggin' hate your friggin' guts and hope never use water as fuel.

Buzz, myself and a few others have the math to actually engineer systems that utilize water as a fuel, but we didn't invent it.  We learned it already existed and finally saw it for what it really is.  Kudos to anyone that figured Meyer out to an degree - including you if indeed you have figured any of it out.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 01, 2009, 05:41:46 PM
Everybody here will have to go throught me before pursuing their dreams of making a working VIC .

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Dave45 on February 01, 2009, 05:48:29 PM
 ;D dankey u never give up should change your handle to bulldog
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 01, 2009, 07:48:21 PM
Everybody here will have to go throught me before pursuing their dreams of making a working VIC .



You don't have a working VIC so quit pretending that you do.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 01, 2009, 07:57:26 PM
You don't have a working VIC so quit pretending that you do.

Those are not from me  but from the person who brought us the gas processor pics , too bad they are gone now ... What did I tell you was gonna happen a few days ago ? I wasnt lying dude , I never lie ..

The only one thats pretending here is you ... HAHAHA ... Pretend ... its all pretend ... HAHAHAHAHA ....HIHIHIHIHI ...

You are in denial ...

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on February 01, 2009, 09:07:55 PM
You don't have a working VIC so quit pretending that you do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC53wdVtvPY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpsQ0QspCGw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBcJlEWlxvk


 

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Goat on February 01, 2009, 09:54:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC53wdVtvPY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpsQ0QspCGw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBcJlEWlxvk

@ Spewing

In the last video link hydrocarz mentions in his video info that:

"Micro Vic Now Becoming History. Out with the old in with the new! Thanks for the torriod! Electrojolt saves the day! "

I am not current on all the latest developments but here goes, does the above mean that the old Vic coil wrap model has been replaced with a toroid form by Electrojolt?

Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: TheNOP on February 02, 2009, 02:29:19 AM
How do you restrict amp flow and allow voltage to take over in a dead short condition,,, is it even possible ?
leakage transformer

"leakage transformer, also called a stray-field transformer, has a significantly higher leakage inductance than other transformers, sometimes increased by a magnetic bypass or shunt in its core between primary and secondary.
This provides a transformer with an inherent current limitation due to the loose coupling between its primary and the secondary windings.
The output and input currents are low enough to prevent thermal overload under all load conditions – even if the secondary is shorted."




Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on February 02, 2009, 06:36:21 AM
leakage transformer

"leakage transformer, also called a stray-field transformer, has a significantly higher leakage inductance than other transformers, sometimes increased by a magnetic bypass or shunt in its core between primary and secondary.
This provides a transformer with an inherent current limitation due to the loose coupling between its primary and the secondary windings.
The output and input currents are low enough to prevent thermal overload under all load conditions – even if the secondary is shorted."






AHHHH,,,,, This is the post i was aiming for!

Guess i don't need to be hanging around here on these forums Showing you how its done since you seem to have it all figured out....

It took long enough, But i made the point i Intended to make when i started this thread.

Who else knows how to do this? Step on up here
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on February 02, 2009, 08:26:58 AM
anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjRc5UT31j0
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: watercellguy on February 02, 2009, 07:34:56 PM
I totaly agree with Hydro on this one.

My self, have contributed with maybe the best narrow band EFIE ever created and shared it, just to have others claim that it was them then did it.

The bottom line is: People Suck!!!!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 02, 2009, 08:34:09 PM
Gentlemen

You are changing the world

I know the sting, It does not feel good [to say the least]

But the 99.9999..... % of the people in the world that will benefit from your hard  work

Should not be lumped in with the,,,,,,oooo1 % of  Shitheads that claim your  hard work as their own

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU HAVE SHARED!!

The world needs more men like you

and much less of the other

   Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: TheNOP on February 02, 2009, 10:07:55 PM
AHHHH,,,,, This is the post i was aiming for!

Guess i don't need to be hanging around here on these forums Showing you how its done since you seem to have it all figured out....

It took long enough, But i made the point i Intended to make when i started this thread.

Who else knows how to do this? Step on up here
are you sure you wanted to show something and not just brag about what you know ?
why hide your source ballast in your videos if you want to help everyone here ?

oh!, yes, i almost forgot, so no one steal your hard work...  :(
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 02, 2009, 10:14:58 PM
AHHHH,,,,, This is the post i was aiming for!

Guess i don't need to be hanging around here on these forums Showing you how its done since you seem to have it all figured out....

It took long enough, But i made the point i Intended to make when i started this thread.

Who else knows how to do this? Step on up here

Leakage transformers are used for arc welding and high voltage discharge lamps. It acts then both as a voltage transformer and as a magnetic ballast.

Some ignition transformers, such as those for oil burners, are also current-limited. 

Whoop-de-doo.  There are several ways to limit current.

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on February 02, 2009, 11:24:00 PM
Wow, i never knew there was so many ways to restrict amps ("and allow voltage to take over during a dead short condition in the tens of thousands range all while hitting resonance")...

Fore example, if you add 100 volts to a tube cell and it draws 10 amps, you restricted nothing because its a dead short of 10 amps. If you apply tens of thousands of volts to this same tube containing the same water, and your current flow is in the milliamp range and the voltage reading is in the thousands, Thats not scientificly possible. its called a "Working" vic. Restricting amps in a dead short condition while allowing voltage to take over and PERFORM WORK.

I been working on it 2 years,,,, and i've only found how to do it. "When dealing with myers vic that is."

If you know how its done, Why did you not tell me this 2 years ago? There really isn't any need for me to share anything with anyone since you guy's are saying its an easy process.  I guess i was the slow one, "It took me the longest to figure it out."

Wait until you see my 3" OD vic. The vic now makes a good wat not.

Restricting amps and allowing voltage to take over in a dead short condition is not easy. You have to match the chokes to the fuel cell, Then you have to match the frequency to that, Then depending on how many PPM is in your water you have to yet calculate for that, OH, and water volume, If you do all these calculations, "Or if you even know how to do them" Then i would say you could restrict amps in a dead short and allow voltage to perform its beloved work.

So if someone is saying they're going to make stans vic and demonstrait it,,, They had better know their stuff. Its one Tough cookie.

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: TheNOP on February 02, 2009, 11:37:31 PM
Whoop-de-doo.  There are several ways to limit current.
yep

this can too, and can do more then just that too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_amplifier

and, no need of special steal alloys...
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: TheNOP on February 03, 2009, 12:10:39 AM
Wow, i never knew there was so many ways to restrict amps ("and allow voltage to take over during a dead short condition in the tens of thousands range all while hitting resonance")...

Fore example, if you add 100 volts to a tube cell and it draws 10 amps, you restricted nothing because its a dead short of 10 amps. If you apply tens of thousands of volts to this same tube containing the same water, and your current flow is in the milliamp range and the voltage reading is in the thousands, Thats not scientificly possible. its called a "Working" vic. Restricting amps in a dead short condition while allowing voltage to take over and PERFORM WORK.

I been working on it 2 years,,,, and i've only found how to do it. "When dealing with myers vic that is."

If you know how its done, Why did you not tell me this 2 years ago? There really isn't any need for me to share anything with anyone since you guy's are saying its an easy process.  I guess i was the slow one, "It took me the longest to figure it out."

Wait until you see my 3" OD vic. The vic now makes a good wat not.

Restricting amps and allowing voltage to take over in a dead short condition is not easy. You have to match the chokes to the fuel cell, Then you have to match the frequency to that, Then depending on how many PPM is in your water you have to yet calculate for that, OH, and water volume, If you do all these calculations, "Or if you even know how to do them" Then i would say you could restrict amps in a dead short and allow voltage to perform its beloved work.

So if someone is saying they're going to make stans vic and demonstrait it,,, They had better know their stuff. Its one Tough cookie.


you are a fool if you really think you have beaten any physic laws.
no one can beat the way nature work, you can only play by its rules.

scientists know damn well HV can be used for water electrolysis.

it is just not efficient and/or practical for the way industries intended to use the gases for.
you can't just store hydrogen and oxygen in the same compressed storage tank without high risks.
you can't use HV if you do not want to have allotopes and isotopes.


you should search more carefully on this subject and not rely solely on what Meyer sayed in his videos.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 03, 2009, 01:41:56 AM
Wow, i never knew there was so many ways to restrict amps ("and allow voltage to take over during a dead short condition in the tens of thousands range all while hitting resonance")...

Fore example, if you add 100 volts to a tube cell and it draws 10 amps, you restricted nothing because its a dead short of 10 amps. If you apply tens of thousands of volts to this same tube containing the same water, and your current flow is in the milliamp range and the voltage reading is in the thousands, Thats not scientificly possible. its called a "Working" vic. Restricting amps in a dead short condition while allowing voltage to take over and PERFORM WORK.

Voltage can not perform work unless it is "changing" and then it is not just "potential" any more.

As for the "dead short" - this never occurs since the Meyer cell is a "capacitor".  Meyer restricted all forms of current leakage into the cell for a damn good reason that only a few have figured out and they ain't talkin' about it.

Do you and your buddies have any idea how the VIC works? or are you just attempting to recreate something that you don't understand in hopes that it will miraculously work?


I been working on it 2 years,,,, and i've only found how to do it. "When dealing with myers vic that is."

If you know how its done, Why did you not tell me this 2 years ago? There really isn't any need for me to share anything with anyone since you guy's are saying its an easy process.  I guess i was the slow one, "It took me the longest to figure it out."

Wait until you see my 3" OD vic. The vic now makes a good wat not.

Restricting amps and allowing voltage to take over in a dead short condition is not easy. You have to match the chokes to the fuel cell, Then you have to match the frequency to that, Then depending on how many PPM is in your water you have to yet calculate for that, OH, and water volume, If you do all these calculations, "Or if you even know how to do them" Then i would say you could restrict amps in a dead short and allow voltage to perform its beloved work.

So if someone is saying they're going to make stans vic and demonstrait it,,, They had better know their stuff. Its one Tough cookie.

If you really want to figure this out, you better get your shit together.   You do not need an actual VIC - you need something that will produce the same effect in water and since you do not know what the VIC does, you do not know what you need.

Where in the pulse cycle, that Meyer used for the VIC, does the water spit?  I mean, at what point in the pulse cycle is the water actually broken? 

Answering this will tell you why it breaks, and once you know that, you'll know that you don't need a VIC.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 03, 2009, 02:06:42 AM
Grumpy

You will bring tears to the eyes of the wire salesman

  Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 03, 2009, 02:15:25 AM
I think everybody can now seperate the "real" from the "fake"

Hydro is a proven experimenter and will be working on the REAL VIC , Hydro is "real"

Quit imagining stuff grumpy (pulsed) ,  the VIC is just like Stan describes it on video and in the brief , and now we got a picture of it ...

I was so right for so long , I was chosen to be the messenger , its 50% because of me you get to see the VIC LOL , I negotiated to get those pics dumbass ...

I had to give some wire to dynodon for those pcis lol , he annoyed his friend for weeks for these pics , just so you can see the real VIC







Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 03, 2009, 05:24:57 AM
I think everybody can now seperate the "real" from the "fake"

Hydro is a proven experimenter and will be working on the REAL VIC , Hydro is "real"

Quit imagining stuff grumpy (pulsed) ,  the VIC is just like Stan describes it on video and in the brief , and now we got a picture of it ...

I was so right for so long , I was chosen to be the messenger , its 50% because of me you get to see the VIC LOL , I negotiated to get those pics dumbass ...

I had to give some wire to dynodon for those pcis lol , he annoyed his friend for weeks for these pics , just so you can see the real VIC



What a weak-minded, twerpy dipshit.

I guess Hydro never told you about the time that I explained how to use incandescent light bulbs to limit current.  Maybe that was a different Hydro.  Electricity just ain't his forte.  Maybe I'll pull a few post from Hydro and Dankie - show the world how "lost" you guys really are.

You are the "dumbass" - half-cocked and shootin' blanks.  I hope you are eating that damn wire for breakfast.

You both talk smack about how you "deserve credit and recognition" but it's all shit.  He claims he showed UV to everyone, but he doesn't know the correct frequency, how to apply it, or why it is used - just talkin' shit.  A few weeks/months ago you were talkin' shit about how you figure everything out and no one respected that - but you can't explain how the VIC works or why it is even used - you don't even know how it works of even if it does work.   

Meyer is laughing his ass off watching you guys from the best seat in the house. 

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on February 03, 2009, 06:32:12 AM
Restricting Amp Flow and allowing voltage to TAKE OVER in a hip hip Dead short condistion, Voltage goes to tens of thousands and beyond!

Voltage will perform Work and Split the water molecule just is hydrocars is showing you in his videos..... :)

If you do not like Stanley meyers Then this is probably not the thread for you,, Because in this thread voltage performs work upon the water molecule as Master Stanley meyer Claimed.

Yay, stan the man with the plan! our hero, Grumpy's Hero! 

Now, buy you some of dankies wire  :P
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 03, 2009, 03:38:50 PM
Restricting Amp Flow and allowing voltage to TAKE OVER in a hip hip Dead short condistion, Voltage goes to tens of thousands and beyond!

Voltage will perform Work and Split the water molecule just is hydrocars is showing you in his videos..... :)

If you do not like Stanley meyers Then this is probably not the thread for you,, Because in this thread voltage performs work upon the water molecule as Master Stanley meyer Claimed.

Yay, stan the man with the plan! our hero, Grumpy's Hero! 

Now, buy you some of dankies wire  :P

ROFLMFAO!!!

Damn Hydro... You are even more lost than I previously thought.

I leave you to your own demise.

=================================================

@ Buzz

At 390 you can use glass.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 03, 2009, 06:08:46 PM
So much hate since I revealed the VIC box ... It pisses you off that I was right and you were wrong ...after I released those pics all I've heard from you and buzz is complaining

First you complained to me that theres more than one VIC and that Stan's video and tech brief is wrong , after that you complain that we dont know how the VIC works  ... And then you just start attacking us

I'm starting to understand that you are only here to discourage people and for damage control , you are probably some disinfo agent for all I care .


Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Electrojolt on February 03, 2009, 06:12:00 PM
I think everyone here is missing the point.

The way I see what Hydro is saying is the following:

Stan Claimed he had some other method other than standard electrolysis to make Hydroxy, and his process was based on using the so called voltage potential, to get his pattents approved for such process I would think he had to prove it. Did the process have to generate tons of gas to get approved? I don't think so, just needs to show prof of concept. So Stan had to measure high voltage across the wfc and show it to the patent officers just like Hydrocarz did.

Maybe I'm wrong but this is what I get from Hydrocarz Videos, He is showing you what Stan did.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 03, 2009, 06:23:42 PM
I think everyone here is missing the point.

The way I see what Hydro is saying is the following:

Stan Claimed he had some other method other than standard electrolysis to make Hydroxy, and his process was based on using the so called voltage potential, to get his pattents approved for such process I would think he had to prove it. Did the process have to generate tons of gas to get approved? I don't think so, just needs to show prof of concept. So Stan had to measure high voltage across the wfc and show it to the patent officers just like Hydrocarz did.

Maybe I'm wrong but this is what I get from Hydrocarz Videos, He is showing you what Stan did.

Absolutely , there's no doubt that Hydro achieved special electrolysis , it should be obvious to everyone by now ... You can count ppl who did this with 3 fingers lol ...

TheBuzz and Grumpy are just arguing  , all they do is this bullshit theorizing and complaining , on and on and on ...

Seriously , TheBuzz (waterboy) , grumpy (pulsed) , stop digging yourselves into a bigger hole

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 03, 2009, 08:03:56 PM
Absolutely , there's no doubt that Hydro achieved special electrolysis , it should be obvious to everyone by now ... You can count ppl who did this with 3 fingers lol ...

TheBuzz and Grumpy are just arguing  , all they do is this bullshit theorizing and complaining , on and on and on ...

Seriously , TheBuzz (waterboy) , grumpy (pulsed) , stop digging yourselves into a bigger hole

"Special electrolysis" - Are you that naive or just stupid? There is "electrolysis" and there is everything else that isn't electrolysis.  There is no "special electrolysis".  If you knew anything about Meyer's process, you would know that it does not involve "electrolysis" at all.

Hydro is correct that Meyer used some other method than "standard electrolysis".  Voltage potential was a "tool".  Without understanding why it was used or how it was used - you have nothing.

Go ahead and build/show your VIC.  Go ahead and sell our wire.  I'm done with you.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: TheNOP on February 03, 2009, 11:12:09 PM
a tv flyback transformer can do that too.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on February 03, 2009, 11:48:08 PM
Yours is nicer than mine...

yours is machined and mine is not... You've spent money on yours it looks well, mine is hard core and yours is much nicer.

You are better than me, your stuff is higher class than me.

This proves your also smarter than me, because i am a poor mofo and you're rich.

Mine works, yours does not, Wealth does not buy everything.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: stevie1001 on February 03, 2009, 11:55:45 PM
Heee, its water missy!!!
Long time no see! How is my little girl doing today?
Still not having any luck with your old and outdated wfc?
Ran any engine on it lately?
Well, i would use some vacuum on your cell....Wohaaaaaaaaaaa
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 04, 2009, 12:06:52 AM
Oh Hydrocars! When are going to come and wax Missy's back?

WTF?


Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 04, 2009, 12:44:24 AM
Heee, its water missy!!!
Long time no see! How is my little girl doing today?
Still not having any luck with your old and outdated wfc?
Ran any engine on it lately?
Well, i would use some vacuum on your cell....Wohaaaaaaaaaaa


DOOFY GILMORE , IS THAT YOU ?

WOOOOHAAAAAAA

VACUUM !!!!!!!


http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=rcWs0p7vwLY&feature=related

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=v8vJiathBsM
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 04, 2009, 01:49:21 AM
DOOFY GILMORE , IS THAT YOU ?

WOOOOHAAAAAAA

VACUUM !!!!!!!


http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=rcWs0p7vwLY&feature=related

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=v8vJiathBsM


LOL SO FUNNY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I remember those OUpower.com days , that vacuum stuff lasted waterboy , I gotta hand it to you LOL , you are famous  ...

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 04, 2009, 01:51:20 AM
ewr
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 04, 2009, 07:38:28 AM
honestly your all wrong.....so far the only one that may be correct is hydrocarz IF he shows his input power source and his voltage and amp readings on the same multimeter.

i really don't understand why people have distorted everything.....
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on February 04, 2009, 07:47:32 AM
The website is no longer mine. My phone provider isn't very happy with you either, they made that all to clear, so i got free call forwarding. What do you intend to sue me for this time?

I want battle with you in your favor, If you keep approaching me i will have you prosecuted,,, what else do you think i will do, keep on taking harassment from you, No. Its best you leave me alone and stop approaching me because im not going to put up with it.

I do not mind you venting, But when you start your threats and calls your crossing the line, dont be doing that sorta stuff.

Curse me all you want but dont be making threats, I take threats and harasments seriously, so does law enforcement. i'll just tell ya,, I'm at the end of my stick with you so dont push it!   

 
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 04, 2009, 03:51:43 PM
DOOFY GILMORE , IS THAT YOU ?

WOOOOHAAAAAAA

VACUUM !!!!!!!


http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=rcWs0p7vwLY&feature=related

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=v8vJiathBsM



HAHAHAHAHAHAH SO FUNNY


VACUUM WOOHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 04, 2009, 07:34:45 PM
why are so many people crazy.....everyone is false.....everyone
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 04, 2009, 08:24:19 PM
why are so many people crazy.....everyone is false.....everyone

did you ever get that spectrum analyzer?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 04, 2009, 10:18:43 PM
kinesisfilms

You said you had this figured

You spoke of a release of your findings

If you could clear this up ?

Well..... there are no words for that

     Chet


Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 04, 2009, 10:24:50 PM
Ok sorry for being so mean Waterboy , we know all you wanna do is help out and share your ideas ...

At least you have been busy building stuff , just dont diss me or Hydro anymore and we will do the same .

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 04, 2009, 11:15:14 PM
kinesisfilms

You said you had this figured

You spoke of a release of your findings

If you could clear this up ?

Well..... there are no words for that

     Chet




yes i will clear everything up.....i have a spectrum analyzer a tektronix 496....i have a function generator for sweeping, i have an oscilloscope for lc resonance...i have everything BUT bnc to banana cables and banana cables to type n RF coaxial since my spectrum analyzer goes to from 1khz to 1.8ghz in measurements.......i have a low power working COPPER non resistive working version....we are talking approximately 100 volts from a 12 volt power supply.....i have a double pulse which was impossible to get prior.....but once i figured out the RLC "secrets" (it's only considered a secret since no one has ever looked into it and realized that too high of a frequency will cause your coil to act only as an inductor and to low of a frequency will cause it to act only as a capacitor...defeating the purpose of the bifilar wound inductor and therefore can never achieve the affects of a manual dc lc resonance).....thus you will have no second pulse.......ONCE I GET THE CABLES...i will have my stored energy pulsed exactly as the first is creating the double pulse...WHICH TO THIS DAY HAS NOT BEEN DONE AS DESCRIBED IN STANS PATENTS....everything i am witnessing i exactly as it looks in stans drawings....EXACTLY....now once i get my cables i will be able to provide FACTUAL information that is UNARGUABLE......then i consider this to be truely replicated....not some J Naudin type scenario or some hydrocarz mystery videos......i have an actual lab setup now......IM SORRY IT HAS TAKEN SO LONG BUT HONESTLY IT TAKES A WHILE TO ACCUMULATE 1,204 DOLLARS OF SPENDING MONEY........and after that i just step up everything to larger values which can only BE DONE WITH RESISTIVE WIRE......but simply winding resistive wire around an audio frequency pulsed core will not create HIGH VOLTAGES AT ALL.......dankie seems to think it is very easy......dankie you have honestly no idea.....the mathematical variables will in fact only go so far before there are too many unknowns to compute and that is why i have purchased a spectrum analyzer and a simple oscilloscope will only help you find the resonance between the vic and wfc but not the optimum frequency for your vic and core.

i am not a whack, i am not a hick in the woods, i am not a child, i am honestly doing this to end this once an for all and get this fucking information out there. BUT TIME TAKES MONEY AND THAT'S A BITCH.

so please understand i am one person.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 04, 2009, 11:37:54 PM
kinesisfilms

Thankyou for your reply

There really are no words to describe your action   [that would do this justice]

      Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 05, 2009, 12:47:04 AM
yes i will clear everything up.....i have a spectrum analyzer a tektronix 496....i have a function generator for sweeping, i have an oscilloscope for lc resonance...i have everything BUT bnc to banana cables and banana cables to type n RF coaxial since my spectrum analyzer goes to from 1khz to 1.8ghz in measurements.......i have a low power working COPPER non resistive working version....we are talking approximately 100 volts from a 12 volt power supply.....i have a double pulse which was impossible to get prior.....but once i figured out the RLC "secrets" (it's only considered a secret since no one has ever looked into it and realized that too high of a frequency will cause your coil to act only as an inductor and to low of a frequency will cause it to act only as a capacitor...defeating the purpose of the bifilar wound inductor and therefore can never achieve the affects of a manual dc lc resonance).....thus you will have no second pulse.......ONCE I GET THE CABLES...i will have my stored energy pulsed exactly as the first is creating the double pulse...WHICH TO THIS DAY HAS NOT BEEN DONE AS DESCRIBED IN STANS PATENTS....everything i am witnessing i exactly as it looks in stans drawings....EXACTLY....now once i get my cables i will be able to provide FACTUAL information that is UNARGUABLE......then i consider this to be truely replicated....not some J Naudin type scenario or some hydrocarz mystery videos......i have an actual lab setup now......IM SORRY IT HAS TAKEN SO LONG BUT HONESTLY IT TAKES A WHILE TO ACCUMULATE 1,204 DOLLARS OF SPENDING MONEY........and after that i just step up everything to larger values which can only BE DONE WITH RESISTIVE WIRE......but simply winding resistive wire around an audio frequency pulsed core will not create HIGH VOLTAGES AT ALL.......dankie seems to think it is very easy......dankie you have honestly no idea.....the mathematical variables will in fact only go so far before there are too many unknowns to compute and that is why i have purchased a spectrum analyzer and a simple oscilloscope will only help you find the resonance between the vic and wfc but not the optimum frequency for your vic and core.

i am not a whack, i am not a hick in the woods, i am not a child, i am honestly doing this to end this once an for all and get this fucking information out there. BUT TIME TAKES MONEY AND THAT'S A BITCH.

so please understand i am one person.

What second pulse?  Where does Meyer ever mention a second pulse?  Are you sure it is not a reflected pulse?

RLC or LC resonance?  then why does Meyer clearly state in WFC 425 that the VIC coil arrangement allows voltage across the chokes while current LAGS 90 degrees.  When at "resonance" current and voltage are in phase.

Stop making the VIC coil so damn complicated.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 05, 2009, 01:04:56 AM
What second pulse?  Where does Meyer ever mention a second pulse?  Are you sure it is not a reflected pulse?

RLC or LC resonance?  then why does Meyer clearly state in WFC 425 that the VIC coil arrangement allows voltage across the chokes while current LAGS 90 degrees.  When at "resonance" current and voltage are in phase.

Stop making the VIC coil so damn complicated.


The VIC is not complicated , we know what core was used , what bobbin material , what wire size , what wire , the desired resistance of the chokes , detailed sizes ... We have the pictures of it thx to Dynodon ... Its just a modified pulse transformer and everything makes 100% sense so far , everything is extremely coherent ... We have already identified nearly all the variables ...

We have Stan on video telling us this is it , we have the briefing telling us this is it ... We have pictures of it ... We have alot of info on the VIC now

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IjEXnsPbzSg

The only thing thats complicated is what you make of the VIC with your stories and speculations ... Just follow the evidence , its that simple , Meyers wasnt lying to us , you can see that the Gas processor and the VIC are identical to the drawings found in the tech brief .

Everything makes 100% sense , everything is 100% backed by evidence ...

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 05, 2009, 01:16:12 AM
Grumpy - The second pulse I think he is referring to is in Meyer's notes he shows one pulse in but get's two pulses out. Now the only way I know how to do that is with a pulse compression.

Read my last post to "K".  (VIC coil can rest in peace.)

Yes, you get two pulses, one positive and one negative - from one input pulse.   There-in lies a secret, by the way.
(It sounded like he meant two of the same polarity.)

================================

The VIC is not complicated , we know what core was used , what bobbin material , what wire size , what wire , the desired resistance of the chokes , detailed sizes ... We have the pictures of it thx to Dynodon ... Its just a modified pulse transformer and everything makes 100% sense so far , everything is extremely coherent ... We have already identified nearly all the variables ...

We have Stan on video telling us this is it , we have the briefing telling us this is it ... We have pictures of it ... We have alot of info on the VIC now

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IjEXnsPbzSg

The only thing thats complicated is what you make of the VIC with your stories and speculations ... Just follow the evidence , its that simple ...


Dankie,

What Stan doesn't say about the VIC Coil is what matters, and he never mentions the most important.  No one has ever mentioned it.

Your wire would actually help to some degree.  It's not required by any means, but it would help. 

EDIT:

Buzz, check yer mail too.  Last piece is there.   (Got Stan's ghost in the figure four and he's howlin'...LOL!)
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dutchy1966 on February 05, 2009, 07:57:55 AM
Read my last post to "K".  (VIC coil can rest in peace.)

Yes, you get two pulses, one positive and one negative - from one input pulse.   There-in lies a secret, by the way.
(It sounded like he meant two of the same polarity.)

================================


Hi,

I find it quite strange that you don't know about the mentioned "pulse doubler" in the VIC. Dont tell me it isn't there because that would only proof beyond any doubt you didn't read the tech brief (very well)
Makes me think you're not so up to scratch about Meyers as you want ppl to believe.....

D.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 05, 2009, 03:24:19 PM
Hi,

I find it quite strange that you don't know about the mentioned "pulse doubler" in the VIC. Dont tell me it isn't there because that would only proof beyond any doubt you didn't read the tech brief (very well)
Makes me think you're not so up to scratch about Meyers as you want ppl to believe.....

D.

a text search of the brief will show you that Meyer never used the term "pulse doubler".  Meyer uses the term "pulse frequency doubler" which is a hell of a lot different than a "pulse doubler".  So, all he is saying is that the pulse is shorter when it comes out.  If that is so, then why is T3 the same or is this also compressed and he forgot to mention that?

Also, the term "pulse frequency doubler" is not in reference to the VIC Matrix Coil, but to another version of the VIC coil.

So, looks like you are the one that didn't read it well...  :o
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 05, 2009, 03:38:52 PM
Hey Dutchy,

While I have been working closely with Grumpy on various things, I don't even agree with his explanation of Meyer's original tube cell process. Having said that, I have been working on Meyer's last process and Grumpy has been super helpful and knows quite a bit about it.

EDIT - I think what Grumpy is saying is that on the primary transformer, which this VIC Choke is not, there is a B+ and a B- side which 90% of the people don't seem to get and Grumpy is correct. As the positive side goes higher, the negative side goes lower.

Recently Grumpy uploaded a PDF that spelled out that VIC to the point of even mentioning that "some water cars worked this way" and not all the inductors collapse at the same time. It taught the basic process.

I just felt that was worth mentioning because anyone interested in the VIC would want to read it and anyone interested in Meyer's final version of the technology would want to know some of the stuff Grumpy does. It is one thing to miss something or make a mistake, quite another to intentionally attempt to deceive others for attention or money. That ain't Grumpy.

Several chemistry text support my explanation of the tube cell as do un-published experiments of a couple of individuals.

We have all contributed to making the deciphering of Meyer's work more difficult by filling in the blanks with "assumptions" and "presumptions".

Yes, winding coils "that way" makes the flux collapse from the end not the outer diameter, but I don't know shit so don't listen to me.

Which pdf was that? (I can't remember the name and now I can't find it.)

EDIT:

Look at the evolution of the VIC - the different approaches.  In the early version he needed and adjustable choke, but only on the ground side and a diode on the positive side - you get unipolar pulses.

Look at WFC 427 (figure 8-10) - he finally center-tapped the secondary - took him long enough - but he still has the blocking diode (two of them now - opposite directions) and he still tuned the negative choke.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dutchy1966 on February 05, 2009, 06:27:30 PM
a text search of the brief will show you that Meyer never used the term "pulse doubler".  Meyer uses the term "pulse frequency doubler" which is a hell of a lot different than a "pulse doubler".  So, all he is saying is that the pulse is shorter when it comes out.  If that is so, then why is T3 the same or is this also compressed and he forgot to mention that?

Also, the term "pulse frequency doubler" is not in reference to the VIC Matrix Coil, but to another version of the VIC coil.

So, looks like you are the one that didn't read it well...  :o

Hi Grumpy and Buzz,

It should read pulse frequency doubler. I'll give you that.... It is what i meant, but you are right pulse doubler is not the same as pulse frequency doubler.
That corrected, I still think we are talking about the VIC matrix circuit, seeing as the "pulse frequency doubler is referenced in the tech brief section 7 (=VIC Matrix circuit)
As I understand it T1 is the pulse on time, T2 the pulse off time and T3 the gating. Then at the output during T2 there will be another pulse from the collapsing of the magnetic field of the choke coil. That is where the pulse frequency doubling comes from. So I dont understand what you mean when you say "that the pulse is shorter".

There is basically two types of VICs mentioned in tech brief section 7 as far as i can see. There is the earlier one with the copper wrapped (tuned) coils and it uses the step charging to promote the electron bounce effect.
Then there is the better version with the bifilar resistive choke coils (and resistive secondary!) that uses simultaneous opposite polarity pulses on the cell.

It's all spelled out on pages 7-1 and 7-2 of the tech brief. I can't make much else of it.....

Let's try not to get in an pointless "I know it better debate" and turn this topic into something constructive again.

regards Dutchy
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 05, 2009, 08:16:48 PM
So I dont understand what you mean when you say "that the pulse is shorter".

when you increase the frequency, double it for example, you decrease the wavelength and the pulse is shorter
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dutchy1966 on February 05, 2009, 08:54:54 PM
when you increase the frequency, double it for example, you decrease the wavelength and the pulse is shorter

Stan Meyer tech brief: allowing the formation of an gated pulse- frequency pulse-train (64a/64b - T3 - 64a/64b) when pulse off-time (T3) is greater than time-period (T2)

What he is saying is that T3 (gating) HAS to be larger than T2 (pulse off). This because the last pulse will be doubled and "eat" time away from T3.
Normally the gating pulse will have a 50% duty cycle. Because of the above it will probaly be more like 60%/40%
Therefore when you want to raise the pulsing frequency you will get more pulses before the gating happens and my guess is that the gating frequency should be relative to the pulsing frequency.
Honestly I do not see any need to change the frequency very much once resonance is established. Only finetuning is necessary to stay in resonance.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 05, 2009, 10:51:26 PM
Stan Meyer tech brief: allowing the formation of an gated pulse- frequency pulse-train (64a/64b - T3 - 64a/64b) when pulse off-time (T3) is greater than time-period (T2)

What he is saying is that T3 (gating) HAS to be larger than T2 (pulse off). This because the last pulse will be doubled and "eat" time away from T3.
Normally the gating pulse will have a 50% duty cycle. Because of the above it will probaly be more like 60%/40%
Therefore when you want to raise the pulsing frequency you will get more pulses before the gating happens and my guess is that the gating frequency should be relative to the pulsing frequency.
Honestly I do not see any need to change the frequency very much once resonance is established. Only finetuning is necessary to stay in resonance.

Build something similar and you will see that the output pulse is merged steps and not actual pulses, then there is that little problem with getting rid if that charge in the cell that Meyer never really bothers to discuss...it will build up until something gives if it is not dissipated. 

Of course I never build anything, never show fancy YouTube videos, show very few photos or even images.  I'm just generally full of shit.  All three of my benches look like a bomb went off on them, but that is just for show. Thats why everything I'm saying checks out with a little effort to find it. 

You really can get 20kv or 40kv with very little input - just like a taser.  See, pulses do come out of the transformer but this is not what the cell sees.  Look at any power supply with a choke and a cap across it and see that the output is "smoothed" - also notice there is a load across the cap to get rid of the charge.  A simple VIC simulation on a free online sim program is all that is required to see the VIC from a whole new perspective.

I disagree about a shorted coil in the VIC since I doubt that Meyer was aware of this effect.

I know what happens in the cell and if I just blurt it out then no one else will learn anything.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 05, 2009, 11:17:00 PM
Grumpy and theBuzz are just making stuff up  again ...
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 05, 2009, 11:40:21 PM
Grumpy and theBuzz are just making stuff up , you dont know wtf you are talking about you blabbering fool , your rhetoric is baseless and cannot be understood , I dont understand what is your argument . Its like if you were some deaf sheep ,its impossible to communicate with you , quite probably because you are a disinfo agent ...

Stan explains the frequency doubling , he explains it very well and very clearly . You know nothing , everything you say is 100% made up lies ... TheBuzz you are so funny with your improvised coil we know where your improvising leads already DOOFY ...

No but seriously , you are pretty arrogant trying to contradict Stan himself on this VIC . Whos knows better here ? Stan Meyers or you guys ?


when you finally shut up, pull your head out of your ass and build something, you'll see that you are don't know shit.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 05, 2009, 11:49:26 PM
Dankie

Please stop being so bitter

You make your claims

As Gutluc said show what you have!

And then you'll get some response

     Chet

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 05, 2009, 11:55:12 PM
Me ? I just have the satisfaction of being right ...

What about Gotoluc lol ?

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 05, 2009, 11:55:45 PM
back
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 05, 2009, 11:56:09 PM
bobbin
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 05, 2009, 11:56:35 PM
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Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 05, 2009, 11:57:02 PM
hgkjki
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 06, 2009, 12:07:34 AM
Dankie

Thats a nice thing to have

Have you put it to work?

  Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 06, 2009, 12:47:02 AM
Dankie

Thats a nice thing to have

Have you put it to work?

  Chet

Doddammit Ramset , pay your respects to a dead man ...

This is Stan's VIC , the hand you see there belongs to the owner of Stan's buggy ...
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 06, 2009, 12:52:42 AM
Me ? I just have the satisfaction of being right ...

way past the grooved coil forms now - figured it out from the drawing and discription - nice the have pics that show I was right.

I think the center-tapped transformer version came after this matrix version.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 06, 2009, 01:09:24 AM
Dankie

I suppose that means no?

And you come here to harvest talent ?

Grumpy is a most valuable and TREMENDOUS asset to this world

He just doesn't do well with BS [He is not alone there]

If you have something to share  RESULTS

please do

   Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 06, 2009, 01:18:14 AM
Quote
Life is so strange when its changin, yes indeed
Well Ive seen the hard times and the pressures been on me
But I keep on workin like the workin man do
And Ive got my act together, gonna walk all over you

(chorus)
Gimme back my bullets
Put em back where they belong
Aint foolin around cause I done had my fun
Aint gonna see no more damage done
Gimme back my bullets
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 06, 2009, 05:34:37 AM
Buzz
That sounds like a very good theory but In reading through the patents that are listed on the VicCoil box they all claim the Vic is used for gas production using a water cell.
sample: from the last patent Stan filed.

U.S. Pat. No. 5,293,857 Sec. 5 Line 6 through Line 21

One aspect of an overall system provides a source of fuel gas including hydrogen, such as a water fuel cell, 7, described in my U.S. Pat. No. 4,936,961 including water capacitor 8 immersed in a volume of water 9 which produces a source of hrogen/oxygen and non-combustible gas mixture 10 that is operatively interconnected with the gas management system 11 through regulator 13.  Preferably the gas management system 11 includes a logic module and central processing unit interconnected to sensors and controllers in the system.  The voltage intensifier-circuit 12 regulates voltage amplitude, pulse frequency and gated pulse frequency associated with operation of the fuel cell 7.
(See U.S. Pat. No. 4,936,961, FIG.  1, and U.S. Pat. No. 4,798,661.) and is interconnected to the gas management module.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 06, 2009, 05:56:56 AM
Buzz

I attached a page from the U.S. Pat. No.5,149,407 That is a drawing of an injector that has the voltage intensifier built in to it.  It would have to have an electrical connector on it.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 06, 2009, 06:11:13 AM
Grumpy - I am going to back off my claim of pulse compression modulator.

I milled one of those core forms last night and while I was winding it, I boned up on some of Meyer's patents.

So here is an updated analysis, take it for what it is worth:
The VIC transformer photo appears to be a transverse wave generator. The bifilar pancake coils (primary) on the OUTSIDE and the SS coaxial coils in the center indicate transverse wave generator.

So why would Meyer be so interested in limiting current which a transverse wave generator like that would do? He got tired of welding his injector tips together but even more important, and what this device seems to be all about is the laser injection.

Look at the patent numbers referenced on the case. Notice how they include laser injection? Read through all the patent descriptions. A small gas discharge hydrogen laser was in the tip of the injector. Most people look at that tube and associate that with his tube cell. WRONG!

The reason the device is staged is so Meyer could fire the laser more times in rapid succession. (particle oscillation)

Due to the tiny nature of the laser he was using he needed to limit current to prevent arcing between the laser electrodes. The tiny miniature sun he talked about was a result of his focusing / crossover lens which he patented.

So while we thought it was a photolytic process, it appears to be a fusion process and would make sense since Meyer was asked in a lecture "Could the process go critical" Meyer replied "no it would stay sub critical and just burn itself out unless there was a neutron source."

So the vertox magneto to fire the voltage, the hybrid laser distributor to fire the laser (which appears to be where this VIC eventually wound up hiding) the ionized gas generator and water mist injection all make sense now.

NOTE - A hydrogen laser emits a UV band that is perfect for splitting water. (Blacklight power)

Remember I mentioned a gas discharge lamp hidden in the top center tube of Meyer's original cell acting like a spark gap? The water will absorb the UV light and you will not see it with the naked eye. Normally a laser will shine right through water UNLESS it is steam or bubbled OR matched with the photo wavelength.

Meyer's comment about the system being capable of generating power is also explained. When you pulse H2 gas it transmutes to H1 and in the electron exchange process can generate heat or electricity.

The dead short condition that spewing is so focused on is nothing more than the electrical arc on the injector tip.

So I don't think was a photolytic fission process, I think it was a fusion process. That would sure explain all that talk about "electron extraction" and building the proton and the laser cooling aspect would surely explain Meyer's "greater than normal thermal energy". :-)

So what are we looking at? Probably a laser driver for a very small gas discharge laser. Now if we only had the injectors.

It is fission.  The fact that he could use the gas for production of electricity is direct and specific proof of this very specific form of fission.  His brother is well aware of this, by he way, and is elusive about the particulars.

Like I said a month ago:

Making bonds is exothermic.

On a side note: "Mosses" knows I nailed it.  He can be coy all he wants.




Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 06, 2009, 06:37:10 AM
Buzz
Calm down I’m not trying to hurt you.  The last patent Stan filed has all the components in it that you are trying to disqualify. I can’t imagine that Stan with his ability to patent his discoveries was doing something as complex as a miniature hydrogen laser that emits a backlight UV band for splitting water that he didn’t ever file for patent on or leave any record of.  Attached is the page from his last patent that answers your questions about where all these components are.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 06, 2009, 07:40:07 AM
Buzz
If you ever get anywhere with this technology you will have a sure enough transporter beam. 
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 06, 2009, 07:53:47 AM
WTF? Calm down? I was calm until you said that. Now I'm going to get all medieval on your white ass.

The term is not medieval it's moron
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 06, 2009, 08:28:34 AM
Here is a photo of all the parts. Where is that all important VIC transformer? It looks like it became part of the distributor and is now called a hybrid laser distributor.

Where is the tube cell? It became part of the air/gas processor and probably no longer exists because it was replaced with ionized air in a laser cavity and maybe... maybe a single cell but I doubt even that is in inside the air gas processor.

On the back of Meyer's early dune buggy you see a bunch of flat metal plates inside a metal box with a plastic see through lid. That is most likely the air / gas processor where ozone is being made. Meyer most likely later found that the laser helps remove electrons and that makes a much more nasty radical.

What I am sure of is this:

If you think you are going to wind up some resistive wire on that coil form and make a bunch of bubbles, you are completely clueless about how Meyer's process worked.

If you think hooking a fluorescent lamp ballast to a diode and a tube cell in a pepsie bottle is "restricting amp flow in a dead short condition" and some big secret to Meyer, do the world a favor and breath gun powder.

The kids playing with the water spark plug most likely got as close as anyone to replicating the rotary pulse generator mixing pulses of high voltage and hi current.

It produces a cavitation when the high voltage skin effect moves over the top of the water droplet and the electrons move toward the surface. The voltage breakdown then slams them back to the center and creates an atom cluster which explodes back out at near light speed due to coulombs law (like charges repel)  which produces electron cascade and a mass to energy conversion (fission)

Therein most likely lies the secret to the tube cell that people are so fixated on. Learn about the rotary pulse generator and look at the top center tube. You can see a clip holding something in there. A spark gap, a xenon tube, a small hydrogen laser, a mercury gas discharge tube - something along those lines.
I don't have to call you a moron read what you posted.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 06, 2009, 08:31:47 AM
Ramset - Ask Hartman click on this trolls user name and then click "track user" and ask him to ban the user names and IP's. His purpose here is clear.
If they haven't banned you yet they surely wont ban me.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 06, 2009, 02:58:10 PM
john

This is no time to play games

The Buzz is a serious experimenter with MUCH insight

Please  don't waste his time

I must say you do not seem to be aware of certain things that are relevant to  the Evolution of Meyers tech

Grumpy And the Buzz are

And they are sharing experiment results and TONS of useful information

It is a privilege to have these men here, and to know they are busting their Buts for open source is AMAZING

Please don't hinder this process


     Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 06, 2009, 05:53:31 PM
Buzz

Look at Meyer patents 4,798,661 and 5,149,407

Notice in the first that no chokes are used and the system operates from AC source and also Meyer exaplains the basic process quite clearly.

In the second patent, Meyer explains the use of the various processes to achieve the desired effect.   Many combinations of processes could be  mixed to achieve better results than individual processes.  Figure 9 shows the VIC with a M27 iron core.  The chokes were only 100 turns of 24g.  Later he gives an example with 26v at 10kHz.   He then explains that when resonance is achieve the flow of amps is "minimized" - thus this is not an electrical resonance.  Meyer also explains the cascading of multiple stages to increase the energy in the gas.  Bottom of column 10 mentions the use of a grid to extract electrons - I always wondered about that.

Every one of the processes mentioned is well known process for achieving the same result.  Meyer put them all together.  Meyer went through great pains to remove free electrons - further proof of the fission process that I previous presented.

EDIT:

Stan's pulse generator patent: 4613779
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 06, 2009, 06:16:08 PM
john

This is no time to play games

The Buzz is a serious experimenter with MUCH insight

Please  don't waste his time

I must say you do not seem to be aware of certain things that are relevant to  the Evolution of Meyers tech

Grumpy And the Buzz are

And they are sharing experiment results and TONS of useful information

It is a privilege to have these men here, and to know they are busting their Buts for open source is AMAZING

Please don't hinder this process


     Chet

ROFL John playing games ?

Ramset , are you somekind of brainwashed sheep ?

TheBuzz is waterboy aka "OFFICER DOOFY" , the person who started the ``vacuum theory`` , the worst manipulator in OU history , he improvises theories like Eminem freestyles , going with whatever goes best in a given situation , he chooses his words like a diplomat , he thinks of attacks weeks in advance .

Watch yourself , that guy is psycho just like "OFFICER DOOFY"









Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 06, 2009, 06:35:53 PM
Dankie

I made an observation based on evidence
John said NO LASER
Buzz posted LASER
You are very disrespectful  and should recognize a few auction pictures and a roll of wire does not give you credibility
I hear and see you like to fight
Shall we fiddle while Rome burns?
Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 06, 2009, 07:33:08 PM
Dankie

I made an observation based on evidence
John said NO LASER
Buzz posted LASER
You are very disrespectful  and should recognize a few auction pictures and a roll of wire does not give you credibility
I hear and see you like to fight
Shall we fiddle while Rome burns?
Chet

TheBuzz is not helping us , he is just trying to make us second guess ourselves , he wants us to go hunting for right wavelenghts and U.V lasers ...

Yes I like to fight , I am undefeated so far  ... You think TheBuzz is tough lol ? I eat TheBuzz for lunch ... Think you can argument with me TheBuzz ?  When I am done with you even your adoring fan will abandon you ...

Well I say no laser like John , we will NOT build the injector with a laser , it is not needed . And the injector was re-filled with water every engine cycle , there is no steam or gas going to the injector .

We already had a conversation about that on ionizationx ... The voltage alone does the work , no need for photon energy . If you read carefully , you notice there is no talk of any laser here when he explains the whole process  . You can read for yourself  about the laser ... Stan says 820 B , not 830 ...

Now I know TheBuzz will try to contradict me with some  lame confusing argument and distorted facts again and try to contradict Stan again with some wild theory about what he was trying to hide from the patent office ... Plz TheBuzz , enough already ...

Seriously who do you take us for ? We already had these conversations months ago ...

I will now prove this with the tech brief since I know it pretty much by heart , you cant fool me with your lies or your misinterpretations ...

Here you can see the chain of events going on in the injector ... You can also read in black in white what injector was made to be used with an I.C engine ... The laser just adds some extra power/heat to the flame , it acts on the gas once it has exited the cavity and destabilizes even more ...

The prior art is what ? Its the injector without the laser  :o ...

Relax lol , we are not going to the moon with our IC engine , we dont want to bow up the engine ...




Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 06, 2009, 07:45:27 PM
Dankie

please try to refrain from using the word lies [very combative and aggressive]

It appears to me Its EVOLUTION

This thread was started in a very bitter way, in a theme that does not represent the open source sentiment
I do not believe the material presented by the Buzz was a fraud
And I don't believe the biggest mouth wins
If you are mixing elements of the evolution of Meyers device, and feel you have a solution DO IT
Thats what Grumpy and theBuzz are doing here WORKING ON THEIR THEORY
      Chet
 PS we don't need History lessons on who did said ,what, where, when
The world is smack dab in the middle of a real big history lesson
And these are not times for fighting amongst ourselves
We may be doing that soon enough

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 06, 2009, 08:02:14 PM
Dankie

please try to refrain from using the word lies [very combative and aggressive]

It appears to me Its EVOLUTION

This thread was started in a very bitter way, in a theme that does not represent the open source sentiment
I do not believe the material presented by the Buzz was a fraud
And I don't believe the biggest mouth wins
If you are mixing elements of the evolution of Meyers device, and feel you have a solution DO IT
Thats what Grumpy and theBuzz are doing here WORKING ON THEIR THEORY
      Chet
 PS we don't need History lessons on who did said ,what, where, when
The world is smack dab in the middle of a real big history lesson
And these are not times for fighting amongst ourselves
We may be doing that soon enough



You are right , these are not the times to start argumenting ... So why are people fuckin argumenting with us ??








Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 06, 2009, 08:06:20 PM
Dankie
look at the first page of this thread

ITS AN ARGUMENT LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO HAPPEN

Agree to disagree
 Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 06, 2009, 10:12:36 PM
TheBuzz is not helping us , he is just trying to make us second guess ourselves , he wants us to go hunting for right wavelenghts and U.V lasers ...

Yes I like to fight , I am undefeated so far  ... You think TheBuzz is tough lol ? I eat TheBuzz for lunch ... Think you can argument with me TheBuzz ?  When I am done with you even your adoring fan will abandon you ...

Well I say no laser like John , we will NOT build the injector with a laser , it is not needed

We already had a conversation about that on ionizationx ... The voltage alone does the work , no need for photon energy . If you read carefully , you notice there is no talk of any laser here when he explains the whole process  . You can read for yourself  about the laser ... Stan says 820 B , not 830 ...

Now I know TheBuzz will try to contradict me with some  lame confusing argument and distorted facts again and try to contradict Stan again with some wild theory about what he was trying to hide from the patent office ... Plz TheBuzz , enough already ...

Seriously who do you take us for ? We already had these conversations months ago ...

I will now prove this with the tech brief since I know it pretty much by heart , you cant fool me with your lies or your misinterpretations ...

Here you can see the chain of events going on in the injector ... You can also read in black in white what injector was made to be used with an I.C engine ... The laser just adds some extra power/heat to the flame , it acts on the gas once it has exited the cavity and destabilizes even more ...

The prior art is what ? Its the injector without the laser  :o ...

Relax lol , we are not going to the moon with our IC engine , we dont want to bow up the engine ...

You can do much better than just voltage by incorporating all of the other stuff.   You will never run an IC on just a water cell.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 06, 2009, 10:28:16 PM
You can do much better than just voltage by incorporating all of the other stuff.   You will never run an IC on just a water cell.

Lol the injector is no cell ...

What do you mean by " all the other stuff "  ???

Read carefully , stop spreading lies because you cant interpret Stan's words properly ...

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 07, 2009, 12:19:38 AM
Lol the injector is no cell ...

What do you mean by " all the other stuff "  ???

Read carefully , stop spreading lies because you cant interpret Stan's words properly ...


Yes, that is nice, but you do not have a working injector of any sort.   Even if you did, you would still need the gas processor to charge the intake air and get the nitrogen crap out of the exhaust. 

By the way, the patents are far better than the WFC memo's.  You might want to look at them again.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 07, 2009, 12:19:54 AM
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Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 07, 2009, 01:46:00 AM
Grumpy

Do you understand how HHO or Browns gas can run in a torch at 300 degrees F

But when you hold that same torch up against a piece of Titanium it melts [3100degreesF]??     

Thats 1 unit in 10 units out

These guys from Korea
 
 http://www.browngas.com/eng_bestkorea/history_1.htm

and these guys from Idaho

http://www.hhohhu.com/

are making heat for homes

This would be a nice cheer everybody up project

Slap together a drycell like user Woodpecker did recently

a bubbler a torch 1pound of water [for BTU calculations]

and a piece of Titanium

and a stop watch

This could go OU just with brute force

 DOING  IT

Chet

PS no chimney ALL heat does work
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 07, 2009, 02:35:41 AM
Grumpy

Do you understand how HHO or Browns gas can run in a torch at 300 degrees F

But when you hold that same torch up against a piece of Titanium it melts [3100degreesF]??     

Thats 1 unit in 10 units out

These guys from Korea
 
 http://www.browngas.com/eng_bestkorea/history_1.htm

and these guys from Idaho

http://www.hhohhu.com/

are making heat for homes

This would be a nice cheer everybody up project

Slap together a drycell like user Woodpecker did recently

a bubbler a torch 1pound of water [for BTU calculations]

and a piece of Titanium

and a stop watch

This could go OU just with brute force

 DOING  IT

Chet

PS no chimney ALL heat does work

What does metal have an excess of?  Electrons.  This is what allows it to get this hot.

This may not make a lot of sense without the rest of the explanation.  If the statement above does make sense then you know that HHO is not what everyone thinks it is and that electrolysis is not the means to obtain the desired end.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 07, 2009, 03:00:03 AM
Delete
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 07, 2009, 03:06:10 AM
C/ yah later
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 07, 2009, 03:11:58 AM
Yes, that is nice, but you do not have a working injector of any sort.   Even if you did, you would still need the gas processor to charge the intake air and get the nitrogen crap out of the exhaust. 

By the way, the patents are far better than the WFC memo's.  You might want to look at them again.

You have just learned something my friend . Lets not discourage ourselves by saying things are more complicated than they really are .

Amen !!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: AhuraMazda on February 07, 2009, 04:07:43 AM
donkie
Do you have any friends in real life?

Don't bother replying I think I know the answer.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 07, 2009, 04:58:35 AM
Sooo...

About that heater

Grandma only needs the keys and she can drive the car

She don't know shit from shinola how it works

Grumpy
 
Can the same thing apply to a man an HHO torch and a piece of Titanium?

 [Besides the obvious  is there any other danger?]

Grandmas cold   a lot of grandmas are cold

Fellows we need some progress some results something to point to A FINISHED PRODUCT

If some guy in KOREA and a couple guys in Idaho that can't even tell you the BTU output of their

heater can do this[they don't know how]

 WE sure as shit can

This is simple stuff

This is an open source Forum

i WILL SHARE ALL

And hope for your help

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 07, 2009, 05:48:15 AM
You have just learned something my friend . Lets not discourage ourselves by saying things are more complicated than they really are .

Amen !!

I learned something?   LOL!  Way ahead dankie  - way ahead.

Actually, things are quite simple.

-----------------------------------------------

Yeah Buzz, it's all there but they will never see it unless someone points it out to them.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 07, 2009, 06:41:13 AM
Grumpy
you are right
we need eyes      eyes that know the way
You see the time
we need Men of reason in unreasonable times
Goodnight all

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 07, 2009, 02:53:54 PM
Grumpy
you are right
we need eyes      eyes that know the way
You see the time
we need Men of reason in unreasonable times
Goodnight all

Chet

What everyone needs is a swift kick in the ass - sort of like a "manual reset" - you know - get them runnin' right.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 07, 2009, 03:12:18 PM
I learned something?   LOL!  Way ahead dankie  - way ahead.

Actually, things are quite simple.

-----------------------------------------------

Yeah Buzz, it's all there but they will never see it unless someone points it out to them.

Are you not happy to learn something new ? Or your just pissed because I prove you wrong ?

Yeah I had to point out to you where to read to get the correct information , yeah you did learn something new , want me to get your quotes ? ´

Yeah Buzz it seems I had to point it out to you as well . You have a short frikkin memory lol , arrogant too ... Should have left you with your misconceptions
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 07, 2009, 04:43:18 PM
Are you not happy to learn something new ? Or your just pissed because I prove you wrong ?

Yeah I had to point out to you where to read to get the correct information , yeah you did learn something new , want me to get your quotes ? ´

Yeah Buzz it seems I had to point it out to you as well . You have a short frikkin memory lol , arrogant too ... Should have left you with your misconceptions

OH! that!  I learned that the memo's were altered to mislead people.  Damn good job of it too.

We are the ones leaving your pathetic ass with your misconceptions, arrogant little think you know it all bitch - HA! HA! HA!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 07, 2009, 05:07:59 PM
OH! that!  I learned that the memo's were altered to mislead people.  Damn good job of it too.

We are the ones leaving your pathetic ass with your misconceptions, arrogant little think you know it all bitch - HA! HA! HA!

The memo is alterred now ?

Its getting funny reading this , coming from waterboy`s adoring fan ... I dont know much , but I know enough to prove you wrong . If you didnt come here with your whining negative attitude this would have never happened .

Your always overcomplicating things on purpose with your frikkin confusing theories , wtf is it you are saying you little sophist f*** . This technology can be understood , its not a big frikkin mystery `like X-files ``THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE``...  You should start thinking for yourself and stop sucking waterboy`s  ****

Seriously I never listened to anybody , the less you listen to ppl and the more study the evidence the simpler it becomes , trust me on that .








Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Electrojolt on February 07, 2009, 05:24:25 PM
Man Oh Man,, all this fighting.

The reality is: until there is a working unit, no one knows for sure how it works and if it will work.

Stop fighting, put your diferences aside and help each other.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 07, 2009, 08:39:49 PM
The memo is alterred now ?

Its getting funny reading this , coming from waterboy`s adoring fan ... I dont know much , but I know enough to prove you wrong . If you didnt come here with your whining negative attitude this would have never happened .

You can't prove me wrong.  Don't waste you time trying.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Crush on February 07, 2009, 11:37:07 PM
Oh my .... Dankie you`ve been fighting again I see . Not very nice Dankie ... Learn to work together you guys , why do you keep feeding him and keep arguing with him  , dont you see Dankie likes to fight  ?

Dont give Dankie the meat he needs to continue fighting , just ignore him

rgds
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 08, 2009, 12:42:28 AM
Sorry Kinesis

               
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 08, 2009, 02:30:44 AM
someone please delete or modify this thread

it's completely uselss due to these responses.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Dave45 on February 08, 2009, 03:43:31 AM
dankie were you hired to come here and start trouble and get things off topic, is that your agenda if not it sure seems that way.
why cant you leave these guys alone causing all this trouble if you dont like what their saying leave.
If it come to reading your post or theirs I'll read theirs anyday you never have anything constructive to say only destructive.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 08, 2009, 05:42:06 AM
someone please delete or modify this thread

it's completely uselss due to these responses.

We are done here.  You can have this thread back now and ask Stephan to delete the last few pages if you wish.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Crush on February 08, 2009, 05:48:09 AM
dankie were you hired to come here and start trouble and get things off topic, is that your agenda if not it sure seems that way.
why cant you leave these guys alone causing all this trouble if you dont like what their saying leave.
If it come to reading your post or theirs I'll read theirs anyday you never have anything constructive to say only destructive.

Well I prefer Dankie`s posts over these fakes ...

Dankie posts alot on stuff on ionization , he has a track record of being right on alot of things .

rgds
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 08, 2009, 04:09:42 PM
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Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 08, 2009, 05:49:55 PM
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Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 08, 2009, 07:19:21 PM
WOW waterboy , you really outdone yourself this time ...  Total improvistion as asual ... You are the ``eminem`` of overunity . Whay you hate my wire so much ?

Who knows better , Stan Meyers or waterboy aka ``DOOFY VACUUM
GILMORE``  ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjEXnsPbzSg

Heres a few things you should learn about magnetic properties. The things you said about copper is total 100% made up BS  again ...

http://www.cookfasteners.ca/faqs_3.php

http://www.cartech.com/techarticles.aspx?id=1562
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 08, 2009, 07:54:51 PM
Dankie
A quote about vacuum from user SPARKS

    Water vapor traveling into the less dense stratosphere finds itself in a field of ultraviolet light emitted by the Sun.  This causes the water vapor to become ionized sufficiently to from hydrogen ions and ozone.  The hydrogen ions then migrate along magnetic field lines and collect at the north pole.  The denser ozone does not have the energy to migrate and forms the ozone layer.  Could we duplicate this process on the surface whereby we utilize ultraviolet light to produce hydrogen and ozone fuels.  This would require a vacuum chamber exposed to ultraviolet light and an imposed magnetic field.  Polarization of the light so as to reduce the heating effect of the lower frequency wavelengths
.End Quote

 Mother Nature is ALWAYS right
    Chet

 
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 08, 2009, 08:17:33 PM
Gentlemen

Since he seems very pissed that I did not share this

This is a private PM to myself from user BUZZ
Quote

he VIC is the ground side of the circuit. The water mixed with ionized radicals is the positive side of the circuit. Da!

The highest voltage mosfet I own is around 900 volts. Without all that stainless RESISTIVE wire between the charged water and the mosfet you will smoke the mosfets.

The air/gas processor is in the back end of the injector in later model. Under the plastic cover by the spark plug wire is a filter and needle valve where the air goes in through an aspirator, gets radicalized by the gas gun (ozone), goes down through the center insulated tube / electrode, enters the tiny little resonant cavities and mixes with the water, hits the spray grills and "FRACTURES" hits gets further compressed in the taper resonant cavity where it hits the two ground electrodes and explodes.

 The two electrodes are connected to the vic coil which is made of stainless so they don't donate electrons back to the water (LIMIT CURRENT FLOW) the SS coil does resonate and then gets switched to ground through the mosfets. The chokes limit current going to the mosfets.

The connector that controls the mosfets is on the side (Three contacts) The center contact is positive which drives the LED lasers in the gas gun and this process all happens in a fraction of a second.

Water going to the injector is at 120PSI.

That is how it fucking works. I built it a year ago with the plasma electrolysis which has been on my site ever since. Only one person to my knowledge ever had the fucking brains to put the plasma tube before the cell to produce those radical (O3 - O4) atoms  - me. It is called bond cleaving in general .

Oh yeah, if you want to draw energy from the circuit, connect it to that outer bifilar coil. I am pretty sure that connected to the resonant cavity boxes on the side which should contain a cap and a diode which is charged opposite the water so the water and gas exchange electrons. (bond cleaving)
END QUOTE

    Chet

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 08, 2009, 08:18:13 PM
Seems far-fetched ...

Thats just sparks 2 day old half-baked idea , plz dont try to confuse the reader ramset ... Sparks is just an ordinary guy , even tho he has 2000 posts he is no Stanley Meyers , he probably read that off some other guy or from a site somewhere . When Sparks gets a bunch of international patents explaining his technique maybe I`ll start working on that ...

Evidence and common sense is always right
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 08, 2009, 08:30:19 PM
Dankie look up [before your last post]
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 08, 2009, 08:41:16 PM
it can be done with copper....too a certain voltage level.....after that the amount of copper needed gets a bit ridiculous.....remember in stans patents of his earlier vic coil it was constructed with copper.

so to achieve the injector/ionization method voltages of 40kv must be obtained which can be done with wire consisting of a higher resistance but must still have an inductance factor.


Now lets look at his earlier achievements...splitting water with high voltage low amperage.
ELECTRICAL POLARIZATION PROCESS.

notice how the pulses are starting from a ground and building up to around 1kv (as stated in patent)
this means that the top pulse reaches let's say 1kv and each pulse leading up to that is a pulse of 200 volts, which all stack on top of each other hence step charging....COMMON KNOWLEDGE.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/electricalpolarization.jpg (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/electricalpolarization.jpg)
yes you can achieve voltages of 3,000 volts with copper wire on a small core easily.....this will separate the water.

but to ionize much higher voltages are needed upwards maxing around 40kv.
so let's look at his stainless steel wire coil.
FIRST OFF notice the very first pulse already achieves electrical polarization process woo that means we are now working with pulses of 1kv or higher.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/HIGHPULSES.jpg (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/HIGHPULSES.jpg)
and as you can see the higher voltages are there to strip electrons and ignite unstable particles with "pressure."

NOW LETS SEE WHY HYDROCARZ VIDEO IS NOT GETTING THE CORRECT AMOUNT OF VOLTAGE WORK OUT OF HIS INPUT VOLTAGE.

he is simply applying it incorrectly.....yes he has high voltage (he might have low amperage BUT he is NOT showing us which is suspicious in content and his argument is that well no spark is just across the plates so therefore it must be low amperage BUT THERE ARE SO MANY suspicious things going on in that video that one has to always question)...so let's say he has high voltage and low amperage LETS JUST SAY THAT FOR TEACHING PURPOSES.

straight from a book:
he is applying it incorrectly anyways......let's look at electrical potential energy laws....when an electrostatic force acts between two or more charged particles within a system of particles, we can assign an electric potential energy U to the system.  If the system changes its configuration from an initial state i to a different final state f, the electrostatic force does work W on particles, we then know that the resulting change DELTA U = U final- U initial = -W........thus stan applied this from both sides of the water molecules via electrodes ALLOWING VOLTAGE TO PERFORM WORK IN A STEP CHARGING MANNER....INSTEAD OF A CONSTANT PRESSURE FIELD MANNER.

HONESLTY PICK UP A BOOK AN QUIT BICKERING

i feel like i am the only one who has read the ENTIRE tech brief MULTIPLE times....i always have to show pictures in order to stimulate interest.


Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Gobaga on February 08, 2009, 08:47:43 PM
This this thread is like a sado-masochistic free-for-all.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 08, 2009, 08:51:09 PM
Dankie look up [before your last post]

Ramset

You cannot take seriously what waterboy says , that person is a manipulator , he is the originator of ``vacuum electrolysis`` . That person will make up science and distort facts when it suits his needs , he will invent something that sounds scientific in order to make his argument seem stronger so he can discredit me better ... Or so he thinks ... He is a sycophant of the worst kind and a liar .

It doesnt take much research to know TheBuzz is 100% BS ...
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 08, 2009, 08:53:35 PM

Evidence and common sense is always right


and this is what you lack FOR THE LONGEST TIME YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T TRUST DYNODON AND THAT HE WAS FULL OF SHIT......then he joins ionizationx and you instantly suck him...and now use him as your PROVING POINT.....make up your mind dankie!!!! are you 100% sure now and completely take everything back later and change your story.....

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/DANKIEDA.jpg (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/DANKIEDA.jpg)
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/DANKIEDA2.jpg (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/DANKIEDA2.jpg)
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 08, 2009, 08:58:46 PM
kinesisfilms

I tried to look at your pics google said it was a no go
Chet

The Barn is on fire and these guy are fighting over procedure

We don't have time for this BS
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 08, 2009, 09:02:27 PM
images are fixed.

IM SICK OF YOU PEOPLE.

you are all in this for yourselves.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 08, 2009, 09:11:13 PM
Kinesis

It does seem that way
I don't know if its Ego  money  or what

This is an Open source Forum full disclosure

If your not going to share or have some other agenda Go away

Kinesis your help would be greatly appreciated here

You seem to have the correct agenda

   Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 08, 2009, 09:15:45 PM
and this is what you lack FOR THE LONGEST TIME YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T TRUST DYNODON AND THAT HE WAS FULL OF SHIT......then he joins ionizationx and you instantly suck him...and now use him as your PROVING POINT.....make up your mind dankie!!!! are you 100% sure now and completely take everything back later and change your story.....

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/DANKIEDA.jpg (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/DANKIEDA.jpg)
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/DANKIEDA2.jpg (http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/DANKIEDA2.jpg)

Lol what a little frikkin rat ... Dynodon already knows I didnt trust him before, everything is cool between me and him . I had some conflicting evidence , you can learn everything about this here in this thread and understand why I didnt fully trust him... I compared the evidence , took another look `@ Meyer`s description , read more about unipolar pulse transformers . It was then obvious that Dynodon was right ...

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6635.0

I now take Dynodon very seriously , I asked him for the pics of the VIC and het got em for me ... Everything that comes from Dynodon can be taken to the bank .


Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 08, 2009, 09:16:55 PM
TRUST ME I WILL HELP WITH ALL MY HEART, but the last thing i want to do is spread incorrect information as 100 percent truth.....so please give me time to formulate.....there is no impending rush yet....i am not taking my time.....money is a horrible device.....and it is the blocking factor.

i have shared many of my findings already through ionizationx.

you can almost pretty much follow my thought processes from start to finish in my project thread.

i will share when it is all documented.....the last thing i want is for this information to be covered up again....and i need a fully working model identical to stans words with enough factual evidence and diagnostics of the entire process THAT IS THE ULTIMATE PROOF.....not an electrode in a plastic bottle, or an expensive well machined tube cell......those don't speak in answers.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 08, 2009, 09:19:06 PM
Lol what a little frikkin rat ... I already said to Dynodon I didnt trust him before , everything is cool between me and him . I had some conflicting evidence , you can learn everything about this here in this thread and understand why I didnt fully trust him...

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6635.0

I now take Dynodon very seriously , I asked him for the pics of the VIC and het got em for me ... Everything that comes from Dynodon can be taken to the bank




when i said that dankie you just discredited me and typed your little LOLs calling me a fool.....you constantly shut people down and try to shout and yell fake to everyone YOU ARE THE BOY WHO CRIED WOLF OVER AND OVER AGAIN.....grow up....i would love to meet all you people in person.....you are the craziest group of characters.......i don't get it....it's a complete joke....this is my last post in this thread.....this stress and tension is by far unnecessary.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Gobaga on February 09, 2009, 12:44:36 AM
Seems this thread has reached a "crescendo".


Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 09, 2009, 12:45:04 AM
Buzz
 You yelled at me for not sharing your PM and now you yell about me sharing it??

I am not  Now, nor have I ever been a spy, janitor, window washer, chief cook, or bottle washer for Stefan

I have a million pounds of iron[heavy equipment]sitting rotting ,Thanks to the powers that be

You guys want to play games, Go ahead

You want to drive cars on HHO [hho cells slopping around in the back seat, go ahead[not what Buzz is doing]
 
Just show me how to improve production for static applications[without getting a license from the nuclear regulatory commission]

You know the stupid stuff power generation ,home heating ETC

EVERYTHING I DO WILL BE RIGHT HERE IN THIS FORUM FOR ALL TO SEE

St BUZZ

I love yah man
Chet

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 09, 2009, 12:51:34 AM
Calm down Buzz,
Nobody is trying to hurt you. We all know that you’re the most intelligent and the most important person that is researching this science.  Hell you are probably the most intelligent and important person on the planet. Don’t be getting so excited by us few underlings’ mistakes.  That almost causes you to appear as if your not
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 09, 2009, 12:57:48 AM
now i clearly know that you buzz do not know.

and now you are completely wrong in your pulse statements and your transformer statements.

wow this is incredibly easy to filter out the reals and fakes they just do it themselves.

thank you buzz....sadly dankie knows more than you it appears......as much as that little twit keeps trying to sell sell sell, he is coming from a correct standpoint for size to power output.

i can't believe you buzz you are as ignorant as he is.

this really does make me sad.....is there anyone out there?

steven meyers interview, electronic books, stanley meyer lectures and documents everything is there.

once you have the information just piece it.

honestly buzz you think that is how it is pulsed from the source?......wow, do you understand electronics? im not sure how much more of this i can take.

there are 3 dankies from the look of it......DANKIE, GRUMPY, BUZZ......let's see who wins.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 09, 2009, 01:03:59 AM
Is this gonna be an octagon match?

A steel cage ladder match?

Are biting and eye poking allowed?

HOLD ON LET ME GET SOME POPCORN!!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: AhuraMazda on February 09, 2009, 01:14:32 AM
Anyone here for replicating Meyers work?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 09, 2009, 01:29:40 AM
not anymore.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 09, 2009, 01:32:51 AM
This thread sure is fun ....  TheBuzz and Grumpy are K.O already  :P I dont understand VVTF you guys are saying honestly ...

Its me vs Kinesis now , but since we are from ioniztionx we will not embark on this ;D

Team ionizationx wins ....



Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 09, 2009, 02:00:43 AM
St Buzz

C/yah

You guys are a fiesty bunch

lets do this again some time

Meanwhile BACK TO WORK [You got a world to save]

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 09, 2009, 04:06:24 AM
With all your worry on proper grammar it seems your more versed in writing than in electronics.  I love how you shout towards everyone and everything surrounding you, sadly your all bark and have nothing to show.  YOU just like everyone else here is on the same level with NOTHING to show. YOU are as worthless as the ones you call worthless and "stupid."  You have a degree in ignorance like no other i have come across.  You emanate backwards thought.  GET OVER YOURSELF.  Your logic is pathetic, your acts are childish, and your acclaimed title of "30" years worth of electronics has still left you EMPTY HANDED.  Stop condemning everyone if you yourself are just as condemned.  HYPOCRIT.  Go fall in love with your reflection a little more.........DOT DOT DOT.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 09, 2009, 04:52:44 AM
you know nothing about me nor have any idea.  as of now you are making a light bulb light up when water is aligning to its poles.....good job....nothing beats 8th grade science fairs.

speaking of IQ do you have a degree in anything?

Since you boast of your intelligence let's see some credentials.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Gobaga on February 09, 2009, 05:14:41 AM
you know nothing about me nor have any idea.  as of now you are making a light bulb light up when water is aligning to its poles.....good job....nothing beats 8th grade science fairs.

speaking of IQ do you have a degree in anything?

Since you boast of your intelligence let's see some credentials.

Arri or HD?

(Don't dare answer with MovieCam or Panaflex.)
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 09, 2009, 05:22:40 AM
St BUZZ

At this rate its going to end up in Darwins hands

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Gobaga on February 09, 2009, 05:23:57 AM

It is so simple that once the transformer is wound it takes an hour to breadboard the driver circuit - covered that ground a year ago and anyone that knows anything about electronics and magnetics get's it. Don't take my word for it, look at the circuits Meyer patented - it is all there and not rocket science.


 ;D
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 09, 2009, 05:33:55 AM
gobaga if i had money an arri would be wonderful, but an hvx with a 35mm adapter does just fine, and in the future hopefully a red one camera.

wow buzz....no school nothing to show for all of your intelligence? horrible, the world will never know what a saint it had.

im sorry i dont post any of my work here, i have been posting my findings on ionizationx.....woops, if i would have known the great BuzZ resided here i would have thought out a better decision.

thanks for correcting my paragraph, your skills are still useless in this field.

im an engineer not an english teacher.....after all (sadly) an english teacher gets nowhere in the world....but hey i can help correct your stanley meyer replication.....but wait in time you'll come to me.

you just wait.

let's say..........first one to cross the finish line wins.

goodluck...maybe you can correct all the typos in the techincal brief. pff.

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Gobaga on February 09, 2009, 05:52:17 AM
Gobaga, thinking about this original Meyer process helped me figure out why Meyer really filed that last patent application and what he meant by "quick snap back", why he stated electron clustering occurs on the cathode, why he needed to be able to adjust power level. I.e., I found the cavitation requirement for my cavitation theory. I'll PM you at the mouse.

On the cap dump. that is why I was thinking xenon filled with iodine gas to produce that gap. The location indicates that is was solely or also for flash-over protection. Could just be a neon for protection.

If you had a flash over with the electron clustering event I think you might hear a "greater than normal energy" boom.

It has to remain a dipole current until you use it.  Otherwise the effect is lost and you have normal combustion which is not that impressive.  It is no different than impact excitation or capacitive discharge.  It is not our fault that no one else comprehends the information.   They can figure it out or stay behind.  We lose no sleep either way.

(I can say this sort of thing because no one but you, Grumpy, the GDL, and a handful of others even knows what I'm talking about. Spooks excluded since I assume they are informed.)

The right combination of excitations will produce more than the separate means, but the separate means are enough if you just use them.  UV is the most straight forward, but these dumb-asses just don't get it.  Fukin' posers.

Stan didn't have excimers at his disposal.

===================

K-films - love Arri's - from an engineering perspective that is.  They are a work of art for the most part.  Each camera has it's own "personality", just like people.

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Gobaga on February 09, 2009, 05:54:51 AM
The hydrogen production rate is radical.

i.e. it will fukin' kill you
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Gobaga on February 09, 2009, 06:07:24 AM
There is a photo out there of Meyer showing off with one of his resonant cavities. There is a 6 to 8 foot flame coming out of it.

We are going to have to disagree on the space in the mark space Gobaga. When Meyer said that was to prevent the process from going into infinity, he really meant "infinity".  :)

Yes.  That is my point.  I'm being coy.  They have no idea what they are screwing with.  The TPU guys know.  A scattered handful of others.  This is the tip of the iceberg of creative forces.

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Gobaga on February 09, 2009, 06:09:26 AM
space in the mark space

duty cycle

He actually talks about this but everyone just reads right past it.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 09, 2009, 06:15:29 AM
GENTLEMEN

I just want 3to5 lpm strait water no electrolyte [as low as possible input power]

For an open source home heater

    Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 09, 2009, 06:19:10 AM
in all honesty i hope you see what you have skipped over.

thank you.

you motivate me to finish this.

i sincerely mean this.

and remember voltage performs work becuase of a change in voltage kids!...we are not breaking any laws here. also know the importance of RLC and the ratio between them. know how to connect a bifilar coil correctly. stainless steel is the key secret here in everything (and we don't know why and neither did stan and steven).....and all it takes to do this is 12 volts applied at 50 percent duty cycle!....just listen and open yourself up with non judgmental eyes, read the tech brief as if you don't understand science and mathematics...the secret is to let stan teach you.

i am doing this for everyone.....i will release this when it it is identical to his work...every number...every image.

so please give me time things cost money.

and don't let people change your thinking or curiousity.

these people just want power over you and will go great lengths to put you down.

i seriously can't just waste my time doing this over and over again....so buzz you can put in your last words of blahblahblah im the buzz blahblahblah and be on your way.

goodbye people of topic number 6702.0
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 09, 2009, 07:04:54 AM
St Buzz

Thanks
could you put a little red bow on it [i'm going to give it to my wife for Valentines day]

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 09, 2009, 04:01:31 PM


Notice the patent number 5297857? That is the last patent Stan filed on the water car and there were no tube cells at that point.

johnbostick claimed that Meyer didn't use a laser. You can't fix that.

And you wonder why you don't figure it out or why people don't contribute? You can't fix that.

Buzz claims that Meyer didn't use a tube cell. You can't fix that.

And you wonder why you don't figure it out or why people don't contribute? You can't fix that.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 09, 2009, 04:35:57 PM
Notice in the last patent Stan filed the Vic is conected to the tube cell and nothing else.  Buzz would try to claim that Stan at this point hasn't evolved this to his Variable Intergalactic Colliding laser beam yet.  Get a grip Buzz. Are you just trying to scare people away or are you truly that confused?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 09, 2009, 04:47:44 PM
John

That is Not patent # 5293857

The one where  St Buzz says  no more cell the final evolution

         Chet


Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 09, 2009, 05:02:32 PM
Chet,

This is stans last patent that the St. is talking about. follow this link to freepatentsonline and create an account and you can download it.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5293857.html?query=PN/5293857%2520OR%25205293857&stemming=on
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 09, 2009, 05:26:27 PM
I think Buzz may be some Govt. agency trying to impede progress in this field.  It seems too intelligent to be so totally confused with this research.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 09, 2009, 05:46:29 PM
Buzz,
Have your people PM me.  For the right price I too can be bought.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 09, 2009, 06:12:29 PM
John

I believe everyone has the right to their interpretation

Some just read and come to conclusions

Others read experiment and come to conclusions

I believe you guys are discussing old and new patents

Comparing the campfire to the Rocket engine

Everybody can play with a camp fire

The other??

St Buzz is Good people

Men will come to their own conclusions with the results they get or don't get

Its time that will tell, no one is stopping their research

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 09, 2009, 06:48:50 PM
can't comment on a deleted post
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 09, 2009, 10:16:49 PM
Ramset

 ... Make us this make us that cry cry cry ... Plz make me a 5lpm cell with low power consumption wtf ???







Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 09, 2009, 11:51:49 PM
Dankie

Here since 2002 in Korea for sale

 put it in your living room [unvented]

Or their bigger units up to 500000.BTU

no waste of time  no time to waste

 http://www.browngas.com/eng_bestkorea/history_1.htm

        
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 10, 2009, 12:50:08 AM

March 1994 US 5293857
In this patent Stan brings it all together with the management system, the air gas processor is fully disclosed, the laser, the injectors, everything. At this point in the evolution there are apparently no tube cells in the system.

Now look at the front cover of the box:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6702.msg155635#msg155635 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6702.msg155635#msg155635)

Notice the patent number 5297857? That is the last patent Stan filed on the water car and there were no tube cells at that point.

That coil is the HV coil (VIC) that powers the electrodes in the ozone generator in the air gas processor. That coil is bank wound and that is how we wind a high voltage coil to prevent the layers from shorting. The rule is something like ten winds per layer and each layer has to be insulated.

This is the last patent Meyer filed on the water car and it was fully evolved for commercial production at that point. There were no tube cells in the process at that point and the front cover of that box proves what it is.

And you wonder why you don't figure it out or why people don't contribute? You can't fix that.

Buzz,

Please try to be as honest as you can. Try to refain from insulting these people. You know your not all that or you would have some proof in your research.  If you do prove it.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 10, 2009, 01:22:57 AM
johnbostick you are correct about the waterfuel cell in that patent.....

there are two version at first....you show this version (note how there is a fuel cell separate from the injectors.)
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/entiresystem.jpg

then it moved to this version...(don't mind the red circles that was used for something else a while ago)...note how there is no longer a fuel cell.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/donkey.jpg

so johnbostick you are correct for that version.

let buzz keep talking he will just consistently prove himself incorrect.

once again there were many version to this method.....so don't look at every piece and think it is the final...you have to understand the conceptual parts first.

i can't stand to keep reading his bullshit.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 10, 2009, 01:46:24 AM
Thanks Kinesisfim

I am new at this and do need a little direction.  My plan is to share all I find.  I want to be apart of this research.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 10, 2009, 03:01:40 AM
A LOT OF THICK SKINNED FELLOWS OVER HERE

Thats good , very good

Thats what its gonna take to see this through

The really cool thing is

Its out there, this is going to happen!!

And this is just the tip of the Iceberg

Chet



Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 10, 2009, 04:48:39 AM
Think it though!

through*

and of course there were many versions but you were wrong, dependtard.

please continue to over-complicate yourself....keep it simple STUPID....meyers directed that towards people like you.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 10, 2009, 05:06:34 AM
gas phase is easier to prime

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 10, 2009, 05:08:15 AM
Here yah go NASTY FIGHTY GUYS

130LPM ON 500 watts 

    http://www.clean-world-energies.de/

OOOOOHHHHH BIG SECRETS MYSTERY ??

Wake up stop fighting lets do this

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 10, 2009, 05:18:25 AM
ouch...

hmm - how much fog or steam and standard atmospheric pressure does it take to make 1/4 of a drop?

LPM does not reflect the quality of the gas.

EDIT:
wet steam looks very promising
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 10, 2009, 05:37:53 AM
im not sure if you READ the distinction between the words RESONANT CAVITY FUEL CELL......and GAS PROCESSOR being two destinct seperate objects in this photo...also completely seperate from water fuel injectors...you said before that the fuel injectors were the fuel cell in the photos johnbostick posted when infact it was not...you bashed him saying that the image he was refering to was actually some other device saying it was not a fuel cell but another one of your over complicated ideas....AND THEN WHEN I LOOK TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT YOU WROTE YOU HAVE GONE BACK AND DELETED WHAT YOU HAVE SAID NOW THAT IS SUSPICIOUS......the system johnbostick posted is a system running with spark plugs...stan did not realize you could ignite with thermal pressure yet.....NOW CLEARLY READ WHAT YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN TO READ......SEEING THAT YOU DELETED YOUR POST ONCE AGAIN REASSURES ME THAT YOU ARE A FALSE LEADER.

i will show you my setup you just need to wait.....when it is complete i will give this to everyone, unlike you who claims to have it figured out but it's too dangerouuuusss fooor thhheeee commmon folk.....who put you in your ivory tower.

FOOL.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 10, 2009, 05:40:38 AM
check your pm's

That file kills the water cell, and good riddance.

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 10, 2009, 05:42:17 AM
WELL WELL WELL

Apparently the secret handshake club has competition

Stefan started a thread 133 LITERS PER MINUTE ON 500 WATTS

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6791.0;topicseen

Yeah keep fighting over horse shit the world [especially German scientists] hav'ent been sleeping on this

Dankie how much of your sacred wire did you sell these guys?

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 10, 2009, 07:51:07 AM
where did i say stan used a tube cell on his final version....i clearly said it was replaced by the fuel injectors......i am talking about what you SAID TO JOHNBOSTICK AND HOW YOU DELETED IT AFTER YOU REALIZED YOU WERE WRONG.....your a manipulative little rat.....don't strut your false intellect.....now dance around your flaws....i can't believe you are worried about people "defaming" you....really? is that what it's all about?......ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU AND YOUR INTENTIONS YOU SELFISH MANIPULATIVE NARCISSIST.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 10, 2009, 08:55:17 AM
Yet another false accusation - Looks like you have gone over the edge, seek therapy you lying fucktard, I didn't delete anything.

You claimed that VIC transformer drove a tube cell. I'll add that to your list of false claims. Feel free to clear them up or hit the road like you said you would twice before.

1. Still waiting to see the replication you claimed.

2. Still waiting to see the resonant fuel cell you say is exists in the photo you posted.

3. Where is the text you claim I deleted?

4. Where is the tube cell you claim this VIC was driving? If it was not driving the air/gas processor what did it drive? Show me the picture of the tube cell on Meyer's dune buggy. Dankie has all kinds of nice pictures just like we all do. Where is that tube cell?


i cannot believe you.....WOW...1 through 4....YOU ARE A PSYCHOPATH....STRAIGHT UP....you must obviously not read anything i wrote.....and can't remember what you deleted i can't believe you are denying it now......HOLY FUCKING SHIT......let this be A WARNING TO ALL WHO ACTUALLY LISTEN TO BUZZ......YOU ARE PSYCHOPATH.......do you have a life of some sort or is this the world you live in.....I WASH MY HANDS OF YOU.....
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: turbo on February 10, 2009, 09:44:53 AM
Come on guy's  >:(

Stop wasting your time.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on February 10, 2009, 11:27:35 AM
December 20th 2008

This new coming year will be the year of great change.

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: turbo on February 10, 2009, 11:31:17 AM
Getting rid of people that make false claims and accusations is never a waste of time Marco. Perhaps if we spent a little more effort doing it, the free energy movement might have a little credibility.

There is something about the word free that tends to draw certain people.

I know this, but you cannot get rid of them, because when one goes ,two new come !
But i have faith in our new fulltime moderator  :)

Marco.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 10, 2009, 06:01:24 PM
yeah the use of sacrificial metals is old.


gas/UV/plasma - check yer mail
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 10, 2009, 06:42:57 PM
The_Buzz , wrong again ... Trying to discredit me and overcomplicate things ??

The VIC pictures I posted is the VIC for the injector , it is the one and only VIC , it was NOT used for the gas processor ...

And yes , it was made with either 430F or 430FR wire , my wire has 20 ohms per foot but is magnetic and has very low coercivity , it will act as core material and provide higher voltage while restricting amp flow to 1 milliamp or lower . YES YES AND YES !!!!!!!!

Heres a quote from the tech brief ...

Heres some quotes from Dynodon , somebody who saw Stan`s stuff many times .

Quote 1 :

The bobbin size I wrote in the first post.2 3/4" od x 3" long with a 3/4" square hole through the inside bobbin.The outside bobbin is for the secondary wire.Each groove is filled one at a time.Fill first one then jump to second one and so forth.The smaller inside bobbin holds the chokes and the primary.The two chokes are wound at the same time side by side.You follow the same path as the secondary.Fill the first then jump across to the next and so forth.Then you wrap paper over top of the chokes, then you wind the primary on top of the chokes.This wire goes from left to right then back from right to left.One row at a time until you get what you need on it for your primary coil.Then this bobbin slides inside the outside.The bore of the outside bobbin will be @ 1 7/8" dia.All grooves will be 1/16" wide.The webs between the grooves are @ .070".As for the "X" marks in the VIC coil drawing figure 6-1,they only represent the area of the cavity to fill.Not any reference to direction or crossing of wire.Longitudinal wrap means left to right,and bidirectional means one way than the other(Both Ways).And yes the chokes need to be stainless,buy yours from dankie before it's gone.
The aluminum box it's in is the back half.Then the front cover as seen in the previos picture,goes on top of this one.The high voltage lead comes out of the hole and the input  goes into the 15 pin block,and yes it's the same as a PC plug.
Don

Quote 2:

There are no more pictures,and I won't be able to get any more.Everything is being sold to Orion.I won't get to see it again.As you can plainly see,the core of the coil assembly is a EI laminate steel stack.There isn't any ferrite rods in this core.That picture is the whole VIC coil in one.And yes Steve this coil is intended to be used with the Injector system.After all it is in the memo 425 for the Injector System.But I do feel that it is the lastest version of the coil that could be a direct replacement for the earlier models as well.You would just wrap the primary and secondaries as needed.This coil would be wound for higher voltages,than the tube cell needs.
As for starting the car,it isn't all together.Some of the components were taken off,by the previous owner.This was done to split up the system,so if the buggy was ever stolen,they couldn't get it to work.All of the pieces are there to put it back together.The buggy was set up with the injector system.But Stan never got to finish it before he died.It was said that he was able to get it to fire but not run.There was an issue of timing everything.The current owner doesn't know how it works and has no desire to put it together or have anyone else work on it.He just wants to sell it.So don't ask why he doesn't do anything with it,he doesn't have time or money or the desire.
Don




Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 10, 2009, 10:59:34 PM
There is one who is arrogant, conceited, self-important, vain, smug, high and mighty, stuck-up, snobbish, haughty, snooty, puffed-up, overconfident, egotistical, narcissistic, self-centered, bigheaded, vain, pompous, pretentious, self-righteous, overconfident, brash, bombastic, verbose, long-winded, overbearing, grandiloquent, supercilious, condescending, disdainful, scornful, ostentatious, brazen, flamboyant, loud, flashy, gaudy, glitzy, lurid, turgid, dull, stilted, grandiose, and delusional, you can’t fix that.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 10, 2009, 11:53:07 PM
John
I have to check but you could have the record with that insult [its gonna be close]

   Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 11, 2009, 12:43:08 AM
20 ohms per foot? Wow Dankie and you think you ar using the same wire as Stan? Stan claimed .0043 ohms per foot in his notes.

Next, if you knew even the most basic things about magnetics, you would know that a bifilar coil is non inductive.

Next, the magneto provided the high voltage to the injector. If you looked at that blue print of the injector, read the patent and notes, you would see one end of the coil is supposedly switched to ground.

Now let's at a coil where Meyer actually used the stainless wire which isn't very gifted (like you) when it comes to holding onto its electrons.

The two toroid coils with the stainless wound THROUGH THE CENTER just like the accelerator I described. The cross hatch causes electron collisions just like the bifilar coil which causes them to fling off. Meyer should have called it a negative resistance coil.

http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cnr/cnrexp1.htm (http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cnr/cnrexp1.htm)

Fuck you John Bositic, that was my joke. Try forming your own thoughts for a change you spook fag.


http://wiretron.com/

Download the wire software on that site . If you had just a bit of common sense you would realise that this was a typo , as we have pointed out many times ...

You can see that even pure silver wire of 38 awg  (.004) has 0.59 ohm per foot . Obviously that is totally illogical and is a typo ...

EDIT that is just 600% out of spec with something physically possible with ambient temperature

Not only is this a totally obvious typo , it is also ridiculous to say that since Stan says stainless steel wire is used  , there is no such thing as stainless steel wire with anything under 15 ohms per foot for 34 AWG , w/e that alloy may be ... Not a very logical person are you ?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 11, 2009, 12:45:48 AM
Who thought I was talking about Buzz?
This I quote,

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance ---- that principle is contempt prior to investigation."       ------ HERBERT SPENCER --------
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 11, 2009, 01:08:04 AM
=dffgg
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 11, 2009, 01:12:06 AM

TheBuzz is not helping us , he is just trying to make us second guess ourselves , he wants us to go hunting for right wavelenghts and U.V lasers ...

Yes I like to fight , I am undefeated so far  ... You think TheBuzz is tough lol ? I eat TheBuzz for lunch ... Think you can argument with me TheBuzz ?  When I am done with you even your adoring fan will abandon you ...


Lol where is grumpy ? Been a few days ...

You remember this The_Buzz ?  I warned you what would happen if you started argumenting with me .

Its like when you go to court , its always harder to tell lies and get away with it than to just tell the truth .

You start getting confused in your own lies at some point .
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 11, 2009, 01:14:58 AM
Actually there are steel and composite copper wires that prove that wrong statement wrong.

Typo? Yeah, there are more than a few typos in Meyer's notes and explanations for the process. Meyer was a pathological liar. He would lie about what he had for breakfast to avoid telling the truth.

Now about that bifilar primary winding on the VIC Dankie, since we have electricity going both directions with what amounts to a high voltage short on one end, how would it be possible for that coil to step up voltage. Have you ever wound a single transformer? Or even hundreds or thousands of them?

It is impossible for that coil to generate high voltage. Why would Meyer switch the secondary of the transformer and what transistor would you be using to switch tens of thousands of volts dip ship.

Would you mind discussing the technical aspects of what you are claiming without all the childish insults or at least mix the two? So far, you are devoid of anything but cut and paste and you don't what you are cutting and pasting.

We will save this for the future so you cant edit it out
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 11, 2009, 01:27:51 AM
You are spinning out of control like a child does when they get caught lying. Feel free to go, it is the third time you claimed you would. But then nothing you claim seems to be real.

Bye and good riddance.

you still can't justify your words.....you have been proven wrong and know it.....no better way to tell a fake other than one who deletes their comments to cover there tracks.....you are a rat.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 11, 2009, 01:29:35 AM
We will save this for the future so you cant edit it out

haha nice.....it's time to start screen grabbing this loser.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 11, 2009, 01:30:44 AM
Just two minutes ago, your post read "Is that the best the CIA has to offer." Going back and doing a little editing Dankie?

yeah I didnt wanna piss you off too much if you were really the CIA ...

I get scared sometimes lol

But you are probably not the CIA , your not smart enough
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 11, 2009, 01:31:17 AM
All this slander and bashing makes for good entertainment, but experimentation is where the rubber meets the road.

We all "talk the talk", but who will "walk the walk"?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 11, 2009, 01:34:33 AM

Hey Grumpy, you can see a video of that steam hydrogen patent of youtube. The current coil makes the tube so hot it glows red and is about 6 inches in diameter.


That is a good one.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 11, 2009, 01:37:03 AM
Actually there are steel and composite copper wires that prove that wrong statement wrong.

Typo? Yeah, there are more than a few typos in Meyer's notes and explanations for the process. Meyer was a pathological liar. He would lie about what he had for breakfast to avoid telling the truth.

Now about that bifilar primary winding on the VIC Dankie, since we have electricity going both directions with what amounts to a high voltage short on one end, how would it be possible for that coil to step up voltage. Have you ever wound a single transformer? Or even hundreds or thousands of them?

It is impossible for that coil to generate high voltage. Why would Meyer switch the secondary of the transformer and what transistor would you be using to switch tens of thousands of volts dip ship.

Would you mind discussing the technical aspects of what you are claiming without all the childish insults or at least mix the two? So far, you are devoid of anything but cut and paste and you don't what you are cutting and pasting.

once again you are the fool.....the bifilar wound RLC coil ("VIC") is completely isolated from it's power source.....i personally use an audio transformer for this....plus you should also read tesla's patent on bifilar wound induction coils......i don't think you have ever made one.....all of this is done with still only 12 volts 50 percent duty cycle...and anyone that is not using that as there power input source is WRONG.

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 11, 2009, 01:38:52 AM
i can't stand to see you talk like you are correct.....you consistently lie to people to get them to follow you......too bad you are a false prophet.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 11, 2009, 01:52:30 AM
All this slander and bashing makes for good entertainment, but experimentation is where the rubber meets the road.

We all "talk the talk", but who will "walk the walk"?

Very true .

We are doing it bro , are are there , we just dont post about it here . Everybody is really busy trust me ...

I wanna thank The_Buzz for giving much attention to this thread , he is always a fun character , we are @ 3000 views thx to The_Buzz ...

I believe The_Buzz is so smart he is using reverse psychology and fighting with us so we can get attention . In reality The_Buzz knows we are right and is just helpijg us by fighting with us .

Thx The_Buzz

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 11, 2009, 02:28:05 AM
The injector was powered by the magneto moron.

you will eat your words.....this is a screen shot.

also i told you to read the patent ITS A CONCEPT OF BIFILAR INDUCTION....see your not good with concepts, therefore you will never understand how this works....nowhere in stans patent does he use a pancake coil.....nowhere did i say he used a pancake coil....i showed you the picture of a pancake coil since it is directly from tesla's patent which i told you to read.....you asked dankie how he was going to achieve high voltage from his coil......it is obvious you don't understand potential energy, RLC, and bifilar coils.....then again nothing new there.....once again stating why i told you to read teslas patent......you are over complicating this...i can see even you are confused.....REMEBER KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID......how many times has stan said this......how many times have you listened to that.....

stan = k.i.s.s.
buzz = fail
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 11, 2009, 02:33:32 AM
No sweat Dankie. I also want to thank you dependtards because you force me to think.

Here is the information about Meyer that I feel they are trying to suppress. Meyer was all about removing electrons and this coil would do just that. So let me preserve this since you spooks and dependtards buried it.

If someone has a clean image of Meyer talking about the two toroid coils with the stainless steel wire wrapped through it cross hatched style, please post it.



On planet x

I spoke of this for 1 month , I tried to interpret his meaning ina  very "humble" way , I presented similar information from some other famous ppl and picked out the relevant informaton in Stan Meyers work and showed there was  some scalar effect involved . I even spoke of a possible way to achieve this "non-voltage" state ,, I left the proof there and it was the end of that ... This is not BS and I still think theres a major possibility ... But alas you dont know wtf I'm talking about ...

I am not trying to destroy your idea , but its just that my idea requires only , for the *proof of concept design* , requires only the taper injector and the VIC , and some electronics .

If you wish to make a thread about this that is fine , but this thread is for the injector only and VIC , as time goes on we are taking a deeper look into Meyers stuff , this is all normal behavior lol , Meyers deserves this .

I have "inside info" straight from personal friend the Stan , the injector was gonna hit the market , it ready to hit the streets for years , Stan was planning to "spread em around" because he was feeling he was gonna be left out and they whacked him .



It was a frikkin retrofit system , simple , small , KISS ...





`





Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 11, 2009, 03:22:44 AM
I love you  :-*
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 11, 2009, 03:27:20 AM
I am fully aware of the difference between longitudinal and transverse waves and how two opposing longitudinal waves create matter. I have posted much information on this subject on this web site.

My problem with you is you are a fucking dependtard like hydrostupid with all your I have some big secret and look at me I need attention. Your pack mentality and craving for adoration is what drives you, not an attempt to understand how it works.

The primary of that coil was electricity flowing in two different directions. The wire is barely inductive conductive if at all. I have wound that coil twice now and it does not produce any electricity.

Now if you look at the drawing in Meyer's notes, you see a pulse going into the primary. Since the coil can't generate electricity (transform) where is the electricity coming from?

The coils is designed to remove electrons from a wire that is attached to a injector OR a tube cell - electron extraction.

I would post a patent for an accelerator coil that would clear it up for you but you and your dependtard pack cabal of idiots have done nothing but turf the water fuel movement from day one.

That's O.K. Dankie, unlike you there are a lot of people like me that wind coil roughly once a day and actually know what we are talking about. Simple? Yeah,.you are simple. All idiots are.

The fact that it is a retrofit has nothing to do with how it functions at a EM level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjEXnsPbzSg

Wow great , it shouldnt eat too much power then , electricity is not the point my friend . VOLTAGE is . Thx for confirming to me he proof of concept , even tho I know you are probably lying .

In an electronic circuit theres voltage and amp flow , VOLTAGE IS NOT CONSUMED IN AN ELCTRICAL CIRCUIT -

-Stanley Meyers

plz watch this video , Stan gives a quick lesson about this .

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 11, 2009, 03:36:13 AM
Do you really think I need to watch a video to know that a circuit contains current and amp flow? I wrote a theory about what electricity is and how it gets produced at a below sub-sub atomic level. Nobody has proven it wrong or even challenged it. Pretty sure I know something about that subject.

BTW  - The wire I used was paddle wire. .5 mil and ohms out at 7 ohms per foot. Where did Meyer claim 20?

You paid $3000 for your wire Einstein, I paid $3.

your point ? Individual portions are cheaper. ;D

Somebody had to do it . Somebody had to come up with the money all by himself and buy thousand of dollars of wire .

Meyers never specifies any resistance value exept that typo. This is the ohmic value of 36 AWG 430FR is 19.775 ohms per foot . It makes perfect sense that Meyers would have used this alloy, it used in fuel injectors because of its low coercivity and high permeability , it is used to make more powerful more compact magnetic components but "doesnt stick" ... Read more plz , everything Meyers says is on Q and perfectly coherent with what Carpenter is saying .

Now normally this never comes in wire form, never this thin anyways  , it is used as a core material usually ...

All the info is there

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1185

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 11, 2009, 05:01:56 AM
it can be done with copper....too a certain voltage level.....after that the amount of copper needed gets a bit ridiculous.....remember in stans patents of his earlier vic coil it was constructed with copper.

so to achieve the injector/ionization method voltages of 40kv must be obtained which can be done with wire consisting of a higher resistance but must still have an inductance factor.

wow you are an idiot buzz i said this in the beginning.....also about your step charging lie coming from the power source......

here is your image that you made in red.....mine is blue
NOTICE THAT THE INPUT IS A FULL WAVE RECITIFICATION OF AN AC CURRENT VIA A BRIDGE RECTIFIER.......THE OUTPUT IS THE SAME FULL BRIDGE RECITIFICATION BUT WITH GATING......WHERE IS THE STEP CHARGING COMING FROM THE SOURCE???...oh that's right it doesn't happen that way from the source.....the source is a constant pulse and inside the capacitor step charging occurs......even for the water injectors there is step charging going on the only difference is a step charge takes a fraction of a moment...therefore making it seem like the instant thermal explosion of water.

wave 1 is what comes out of the stepped up isolated pulse transformer and into the VIC......wave 2 is what comes out of the vic and is further enhanced. wave 3 is what is sent into the water capacitor and the diagonal line is how the water capacitor builds a charge......i can prove this IDENTICALLY ON MY OSCILLOSCOPE.

once again you are a fool you your cavitation, and your magneto bullshit.....the thing you have highlighted is if anything to induce gating.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 11, 2009, 05:19:22 AM
That does not prove anything. I have never seen a water cap charge without a spark gap.

The space in the mark space was there to keep the cap from going into infinity and arcing over - boom.

haha you have never seen one eh?.....then you aren't using voltage potential, amperage must be cut to a minimum of 1/1000th.

and no the gating space has nothing to do with noises or child "booms and bangs"

the space if there for an LC resonance to occur....i URGE you to READ the FIRST SECTION of the TECHNICAL BRIEF......there is a reason why the conceptual part comes first.....so people like YOU...can realize what is meant by K.I.S.S.

BOOM! hahahahahah NO.

OH AND EDIT:.....THE CAP WILL NEVER GO TO INFINITY....JACKOFF.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 11, 2009, 05:27:45 AM
you better choose your words carefully....i don't tolerate people like you bringing down the truth.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 11, 2009, 05:49:33 AM
you honestly just babbled straight bullshit.......there are two transformers in this schematic which one are you refering to?...the first is a simple inverter layout.....the second transformers primary winding is in the same orientation as it's secondary.....YOU ARE RAMBLING.......KEEP YOUR LOGIC IN A LINE......i dont care if you built a childs project...every 14 year old and there nerdy father have built one......w00t.....you get the shit-medal........and as for the spectrum analyzer i can't wait to see you mathematically work your way there with unknown variables......but at this rate you don't even have the proper pulse from the source.....i would love to answer your garbage filled response to your incorrect statements earlier but i don't know where to begin since it has no beginning or end......scum.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 11, 2009, 05:51:51 AM
planning to prove you false claim of a "replication" using a spectrum analyzer

Those are your unintelligible words. Unlike you, I am not functionally illiterate.

your*

you just use spellcheck dumbass.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 11, 2009, 06:29:47 AM

That does not prove anything. I have never seen a water cap charge without a spark gap.

The space in the mark space was there to keep the cap from going into infinity and arcing over - boom.


There is something wrong or missing from the VIC circuit. 

In the page that Ritchie Burnett (sp?) has on resonant DC charging - the voltage only goes to 2x input - which isn't necessarily a lot and the spark gap or a switch to dump the cap is "required".

The diode just get's rid of the q-crap, so WTF?

OK so Meyer uses pulses instead of DC, so that replaces the gap, but then we look at the overdriven waveform on Ritchie's page and see the Meyer stepped charge - wah-lah!   Except it does not rise to infinity but only to 2x input.

Don't try to tell me he was using displacement current or scalar waves either - I ain't buyin' it.



I'll shoot you an email, Buzz, we won't be needing the damn VIC anymore.

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 11, 2009, 07:28:21 AM
Notice how grumpy asks this question right after kinessisfilms claims he replicated meyer and is going to prove it just as soon as he gets those cables for the spectrum analyzer he bought?

Now go back to about page 5 and see if you can find his rant about how he replicated Meyer and is "going to settle this once and for all"

Notice how he went back and edited that all out of the that post? Notice how he keeps falsely claiming I do that?

That is the reason people like this are so stupid. They lack integrity to the point of being insane.


unlike you i never went back and changed anything....FIND WHERE I DELETED ANYTHING ONE THING YOU NAME IT ONE FUCKING THING WHAT DID I CHANGE YOU LIE THROUGH YOUR TEETH IN FRONT OF EVERYONE THIS IS IT THIS IS THE DEAL SEALER...NOW I KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT IN MY HEART YOU ARE EVIL.

I WILL SHOW MY REPLICATION WHEN IT IS IDENTICAL I DO NOT HAVE 40KV VOLTAGE LEVELS BECUASE I DO NOT HAVE A STAINLESS STEEL VIC I HAVE SAID THIS OVER AND OVER.

AND WOOT I FOUND A TYPO YOU DO THE SAME THING. SCUM SCUM SCUM.....PICK YOURSELF UP OFF THE FLOOR YOU WORTHLESS LIAR....and just because i have a life and can't respond back to you instantly doesn't mean you post a ton of things one after another in 10 minute intervals acting like I'm not responding.... I'm at my other place im not here to hold your hand and explain everything to you when you are wrong..... your words are perpendicular to meyers......you ARE THE LOUDEST LIAR.


BEWARE BLIND FOLLOWERS WHO DON'T KNOW BETTER

YOU ARE FOLLOWING A HORRIBLE PIDE PIPER BUZZ IS A FALSE LEADER.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 11, 2009, 07:31:51 AM


OK so Meyer uses pulses instead of DC, so that replaces the gap, but then we look at the overdriven waveform on Ritchie's page and see the Meyer stepped charge - wah-lah!   Except it does not rise to infinity but only to 2x input.


grumpy what do you mean he uses pulses instead of DC.....he uses PULSED DC......

birds of a feather flock together buzz and grumpy are fools ......and to be honest at this point i would rather roll with dankie the least of the idiots...atleast he is on the right track in places......IONIZATIONX IS ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING......the only people worth anything in the hydrogen field at this website are the spark plug guys.....bob krupa even knew what was under the white cap of the water injectors.....too bad you probably didn't listen to that interview.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: stevie1001 on February 11, 2009, 12:59:35 PM
There is something wrong or missing from the VIC circuit. 

In the page that Ritchie Burnett (sp?) has on resonant DC charging - the voltage only goes to 2x input - which isn't necessarily a lot and the spark gap or a switch to dump the cap is "required".

The diode just get's rid of the q-crap, so WTF?

OK so Meyer uses pulses instead of DC, so that replaces the gap, but then we look at the overdriven waveform on Ritchie's page and see the Meyer stepped charge - wah-lah!   Except it does not rise to infinity but only to 2x input.

Don't try to tell me he was using displacement current or scalar waves either - I ain't buyin' it.
I'll shoot you an email, Buzz, we won't be needing the damn VIC anymore.

Grumpy,

Just a little mind set:

The Richy pages are showing what Meyer was telling.
Stan found a way to get HV across a deadshort condition of his tubes.
If you look at the DC resonance circuit of Burnett, you see the resonance coil.
The property's of such a coil is that the currentflow cannot change quickly.
So, if you use a rotaryswitch to connect a tubeset to that circuit, you can hit HV to it, without pulling amps, because the resonance choke cannot change state quickly.

br
Steve
www.ionizationx.com
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 11, 2009, 06:00:17 PM
Stevie, that does not make sense. The process is far more complicated than a high voltage transformer or resonance. It is a little of both with some switching and a funky bifilar coil in between.

You are right that an inductor is not going to allow a reversal of DC current but in order to charge an inductor we need a bunch of current. If the inductor is resonant then current transfer is minimal since it is reversing when it resonates. That supplies the RF aspect of Meyer and at every step of the way, even in his original tube cell, there was a low frequency RF.

I think I have managed to put some stuff together in the last few hours regarding that bifilar coil.

I feel that bifilar coil and the switching have more to do with Meyer's early work than many people realize who are so focused on with the tube cells. His last incarnation used high voltage at high frequency. As his technology evolved, the frequency went up and he relied less on electrolysis.

One of the reasons that people argue is that Meyer tried it all. They look at early process and try and apply it to a later and completely different process. An open mind is everything to working this one out.

Another reason is that people simply don't understand the basics. Grumpy and I have been comparing notes and we have figured out far more than people realize. It doesn't mean we are smarter than others, we just put a lot of time and thought into it. We don't share much because what you just saw the dependtard do.

What Meyer was doing at every step of the way appears to be related to his EISER technology and that technology is being deployed on very large scale power generation projects presently. As the frequency and pressure in the injector went up, Meyer needed less and less hydrogen until he needed none.

Whether it will ever make it into our cars is another story. I doubt it, they realize they have to stop burning coal due to the environmental impact but gas leaves a smaller impact.

I just ignore them now.

It is funny to see what they respond with when they think they know what I'm talking about, or when I pose a question.  Posing a question does not imply that I do not have the answer, or even that I need one.  I'll bet they have not seen that video or how complex Meyer's system realy was.

Do not speak of the explosion or its details here, but that is the answer.  Reproducing that and controlling it is the new problem.

Side note: Would be fun to just use a capacitor discharge to drive a piston.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 11, 2009, 07:20:20 PM
HEY BUZZ,

Check yer mail.  The new and improved VIC is something to behold.  Tha doc is a jewel.

Now compare the cards to the shitload of "cards" on the dash of Meyer's buggy - bingo!

No stinkin' iron wire, no stinkin' bullshit.

See the vacuum pump? bada bing bada boom!

See the high pressure tank?  Cha-Ching!

See the impedence matching crap?  Yeah Baby!

Skip to page 3 - there lays out the entire process.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 11, 2009, 08:03:35 PM
Grumpy

Cha ching, bada bing, bada boom !!

You sound like your from my neck of the woods

N.Y.C .

   Chet



Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: AhuraMazda on February 12, 2009, 03:59:26 AM
I see you went back and deleted a bunch of your posts in this thread. Now why would you do that?

I did not see his answer but I attribute it to parasitic tendencies.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: AhuraMazda on February 12, 2009, 01:53:28 PM
Maybe Dankie should include a weeks supply of vallium with each order since the #46 wire is so small it breaks at about 7 grams of tension.

LOL. 7 grams break point. Are you talking about dankie or the wire?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 12, 2009, 03:50:53 PM
Dankie,

Got some questions for ya.

Did you talk to the guy that had Meyer buggy and did he specify that size #46 wire for that size coil?

Did the guy tell you anything about how those outer banks are wound if they are?

Do you have any more photo angles of the coil?

There are other possibilities for the coil.

No these are the only photos I received , and now orion has everything Don cant ask his friend to take more pictures.

The wire is # 36 (.005) you retard , not 46 ... Stan specifies .004 ( #38)  for the VIC , but at another place he specifies .006 (#34) for some other coil config .

So I split the middle and went for #36

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 12, 2009, 05:23:23 PM
Wasn't the primary wound as a solenoid and placed in the middle between the two grooved spools?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 12, 2009, 10:58:11 PM
I was just quoting what someone else told me.

Retard? I thought we had a little chat the other day sunshine... You should post the rest of the photos while you still can. :)

You missed this question:
Did the guy tell you anything about how those outer banks are wound if they are?

The reason I ask is if you look at his center spool replication, the banks are cut low and then there is a space above that about 5mm. Not normal and indicates another coil sat in that space. Then over the top of that is the outer spool with the narrow slots.

Yes they are wound in same clockwise direction , everything is wound in the same clockwise direction ...

Theres only 2 spools , Stan wrapped the primary on the chokes bobbin , this is why theres much room on it

I'm afraid this is all the pircutres we will see , unless Orion decides to post some info about their purchase .



Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 13, 2009, 05:39:05 PM
St Buzz

Seems like the boy's are speechless

  Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 13, 2009, 06:29:36 PM
St_Buzz

All those pics are old , everybody has seen them . The pics I posted here  a few weeks old were given to me by Dynodon . All of Meyers stuff was taken apart so nobody could ever make it work if they stole it .

The coil bobbin is the VIC from figure 6-1 , its made with 2 bobbin sections and the primary is wrapped on the chokes section as shown on the drawing . It was made with laminate steel EI core .

It is the VIC that was used with the injector retrofit system , the injector is filled up every engine cycled and the VIC blows up that water ... No gas processor needed , it was needed for the exhaust gases . The gas processor did not act on water or hydroxy gas or water vapor or w/e other form of water ...

How many times must I repeat myself .







Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 13, 2009, 11:56:01 PM
This does not making sense to me. Here is a photo of VIC 6.1 I don't see that in this image. What are those toroid looking things in the drawing? Maybe that is a toroid coil form and the photo is of an e-core.

You truely are a funny person St_Buzz , those "toroids" represent the magnetic flux .

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 13, 2009, 11:59:30 PM
Dankie,

While the transformer has mysteriously had the wires removed prior to photographing, we have a photo you supplied of someone (that same person that would have removed the wires?) holding up a spool he suggests will be a replication.

There is a strange space between what you call the secondary wound in the inner spool banks and the outer larger spool where you claim the primary is wound in the same clockwise method.

Correct?

How do you account for the space between winds. The law of inverse square distance losses would suggest that there would be quite a bit of loss between the coils.

That picture is a beautiful clue ... you can see how high the primary  goes , the primary should be .030 Gauge wire .

Yes , there seems to be some cut in the bobbin to facilitate the transition between spools .

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 14, 2009, 04:37:39 AM
Let's try looking at the figure you cite. 6-1 Yes, I see now, those represent magnetic lines. Now that I know what figure you are referencing we can have a conversation. It didn't have to go this far...

If you download foxit reader, (free PDF reader) you can search 6-1 and you will come up with the references to that drawing. Notice the references to the taper resonant cavity and the injector? It only furthers my claim that you are trying to build a VIC using the directions from the injector VIC which get's the high voltage from the spark plug wire and steps it down.

So here are my questions about the figure 6-1 you cite.

1. Notice that the secondary pick up coils are wrapped over the primary on the large outside bobbin? How do you explain that? You are saying to wrap the primary on the inside.

2. How do you explain that protruding electrical steel core running through the center? Don't you think that is the center electrode that runs through the center of the injector?

There is a method of winding a coil where the primary is on the INSIDE and secondary is one the outside wrapped over the top of that. The first coils ever wound were wound this way and they were called disruptive discharge coils. You need a breaker contact or a spark gap to make them work.

This only bolsters my claim you are trying to wind a step up transformer with a step down transformer electrically sourced from the distributor output. I.e., using information regarding the injector to build a step up transformer.

Nice... That will keep the dependtards spinning their wheels on oil a while longer.

In the future I will answer your questions , for now I dont know myself .

You are free to speculate on this cioil all you like .
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 14, 2009, 03:37:18 PM
Buzz,
                       Here's a little gift for you on V-Day
                Click Your Mouse on the BALL it will change Colors
                   
              http://thedogpaddler.com/RandomUploads/Ball/ball.htm
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 14, 2009, 05:04:55 PM
Quote from The_Buzz

This does not making sense to me. Here is a photo of VIC 6.1 I don't see that in this image. What are those toroid looking things in the drawing? Maybe that is a toroid coil form and the photo is of an e-core.




The_Buzz is quite the reader and the observer , he sees "secret toroids" ... I thank you for playing my game The_Buzz .

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 14, 2009, 05:27:05 PM
Dankie, I didn't realize you were looking the the wrong image but should have. Only a retard would look at a drawing of an injector circuit (step down vic?) being fed by a magneto and think it was a transformer photo you posted.

Were you using the mirror image counter intel technique AKA the big lie or did you just fall for it?

Sorry Dankie, whether you are doing counter intelligence or are just counter intelligent, it is irrelevant to me. Stupid is as stupid does - Forrest Gump.

Good luck selling all that wire, I'm sure people will be thrilled to give you their name and address...

Run Forrest, run!

we will sreensave
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 14, 2009, 06:24:28 PM
Good, I hope you do.

Isn't it something that you are so clueless about electronics and magnetics you don't know how a common mode choke works or notice or care that the transformer you cite in 6-1 is wound inside out. I.e., the secondary is on the outside?

It is almost like factual information or intelligence does not enter into your brain. You know, logic, reason and accountability. It is like you will believe anything.

Let's do a belief experiment:

Dankie if you wrap 10,000 turns of that 403FR wire around your neck super tight, all your energy will be free and the world will be a better place. Remember to make it good and tight so there is no leakage..

Kiss Miss Missy

 :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on February 14, 2009, 08:17:19 PM
i will have to agree with dankies ideas on the vic buzz.. see your still stuck on comon choke ideas not realizing that vic 6-1 isnt a comon style choke at all.. it is on a EI core having magnatization permibility not just on a single core... which can explain his so called building a transformer inside out. your still stuck on thinking it is part of the spark plug..  i thought that at once but stans tri coil data says otherwise... by knowing how much wire is involved for making it,
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on February 14, 2009, 11:50:21 PM
you stated the inside out factor... well sure you can probly replicate that version if you want the rewound alternator to go with it. the 6-1 is made for input signal with no alternator.. your verison should work good for tube version.. we are working on injector version. one that requires very little capacitance but is capable of still aquiring high voltage in milliamp range.  just because its labeled as multi spool doesnt mean that 6-1 couldnt be considered the same.. since it does as well have a multi spool.. i dont see how your version works though.. it shows the spools not being conected to anything just the stainless recieving and outputing.. with a alternator i dont know if you can keep amps in milli range.. so will your version get hot quicker? since 6-1 relys only on the rise and fall of the magnetic flux to transfer energy.. it has no conection to the primary and its amps.. secondarys connect to the 430 fr.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on February 15, 2009, 01:36:11 AM
You have to admit, the "Missy" episode at ionizationx in order to try and teach hydrostupid basic electronics was one of the funnier episodes in free energy research history.

That boy ain't been right ever since...


You are in my thread and in this thread if you talk your crap about me here you're asking for trouble  I thought i made it clear to you that you dont want to go that rout..

Turn your ass around and head to the door of this thread before i spank your ass,,, I told you boy

This time you cant threaten me with donation Fraud or post my identity. You have no ideal what your about to get your self into!

Buzz off back to your retard hole where you belong,,, Stay out of my thread you aragent little infant.  I told you i'm not going to put up with your crap,, you already have history with me, I advise you not to add to it! I warned you i was on a thin thread with you not to push it!

Leave my thread
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 15, 2009, 01:53:41 AM
Thanks Buzz for posting my photo. I see my cover has been blown.  I didn't know you would have that picture of me but I probably should have.  It's OK you can just keep enjoying it.

With Love

David
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: AhuraMazda on February 15, 2009, 01:52:33 PM
I would post it in detail here but the thread would probably get deleted.

Buzz

You could always post in your own forum and at the same time keep the riff raff out.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 15, 2009, 10:51:28 PM
ST. Buzz

This is the difference
This is what makes The Buzz A SAINT

 NO SECRET AGENDA!!

A real Humanitarian!!

One Cool Dude

Thanks for all you share
   
 Chet

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 16, 2009, 02:04:11 AM
St. BUZZ

My Kingdom for a star ?

SURELY NOT!!

YOU SIR, ARE THE RIGHT STUFF!!

Thank you [no matter what]

You raise the spirit ,encourage , give hope in these times of trouble

   Chet

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: AhuraMazda on February 16, 2009, 02:11:03 AM
The suspence is killing me!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 16, 2009, 02:36:58 AM
In case you didnt know , these were posted not long ago , it is the reason why this post exists

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1267
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on February 16, 2009, 02:50:45 AM
you have fans, thats sickening...

If you was to take over someones thread at our forum id give you a warning... At ionizationx we have respect. Dankie can vouch for that...

Face it Buzz,, your stuck right here, Please make me mod here pretty please,, oh i've earned it. Look at my stars.



I think the day you become mod everyone here will delete their accounts LOL.. Wooooahhhh

PS,,, I really don't care if your wife's a lawyer... How's your site going?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 16, 2009, 03:28:25 AM
SPEWING

You reek of VENOM

You started this thread with a challenge, a fight

And without ever having exchanged a word of dialogue with you, I can feel,see, smell the BILE in your posts

Your heart is not in open disclosure ,you are a hypocrite

You have an agenda ,and it is not open source

VOMIT      as a dog returns to its vomit, you return to this thread

With only yourself in mind

 Chet
 
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 16, 2009, 03:54:54 AM
SPEWING

You reek of VENOM

You started this thread with a challenge, a fight

And without ever having exchanged a word of dialogue with you, I can feel,see, smell the BILE in your posts

Your heart is not in open disclosure ,you are a hypocrite

You have an agenda ,and it is not open source

VOMIT      as a dog returns to its vomit, you return to this thread

With only yourself in mind

 Chet
 

O my Ramset , You dissapoint me . :'(

I knew you were stupid when I met you , now I realize you are crazy and impolite ... Thats bad Ramset ...Not only that but you are incapable of discernign logical reasoning based on evidence and utter BS , you simply are "thick headed" .

Hydro has no agenda , he has achieved more success than anybody you/ve seen , his proof of concepts are the reason I continued working on this . If you are too stupid to realize what Hydro has contributed I feel sorry for you ...

Now plz Gentleman , lets be more civil ... ;)



In case you didnt know , these were posted not long ago , it is the reason why this post exists

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1267
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 16, 2009, 04:00:36 AM
Dankie

Im all for civil

Time is short

So you are saying Hydro  and spewing are one and the same?

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 16, 2009, 05:11:58 AM
ST. Buzz

NO DELETIONS HERE

YOU POST IT, IT STAYS ,PERIOD

NO BURYING INFO HERE

YOU HAVE IT TO SAY ?

SAY IT!!

THESE KIDS DON"T UNDERSTAND!!

THEY HAVE THEIR HEAD IN SOME GET RICH QUICK SCAM

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

THE HOUR HAS PASSED

Chet



Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 16, 2009, 05:31:02 AM
I am so stupid to feel sorry for ya . Stevie mentionned me you were really smart but an unstable personality ...

I actually tought you had an amusing personality and felt sorry for you . I also got banned once from ionization and used to act like you , I tought you were smart and could maybe add something positive . You can forget about that free tester now ...




Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on February 16, 2009, 06:11:09 PM
buzzwick you're an idiot,, buzz back off into your washington stink hole..
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on February 16, 2009, 11:27:12 PM
anyone to replicate my work will see that it works,, that means hands on woaaahhhhhhhhh

The circuit i posted,,, when you understand that you'll understand how to delete the hv cap,,,,,,,, and you dont make the rf,, the rf is emitted from the primary,,,, Woooahhhhhhh



Looks like someone elses circuit?? I think not,, could be but this is my work freak!


You want to know something about me??? I dont go around the net looking at what other people does in this fuel cell technology,,,, i research what i think needs to be researched and i put my own circuits together,,,, just like i put this one together!!!



I have shown my work since i've been doing this technology,,,,,,,, your the one that hasn't shown jack shit!!!! Wooahhhhh And i have not made false claims, instead i show my work, if you dont like my work you do not have to "watch it" because unlike some people i show my stuff on "VIDEO" HA


So you're the only looser here that has nothing to show for,,,, Me learn Basic electronics???? DUDE, i've only read 3 basic electronic books in my life,,,, you on the other hand did what,, took schooling? HAHA Sucks to be you,,, A wanna be fake natural like hydrocrazy do you ha ha ha....

Pinhead,, HEY,, overunity takes donations LOL,,, they'll get their chance to see what your all about when they piss you off... All i can say is when that happens,, i'll be waiting!

A message to the onlookers,,, you hang around who you become! the family that prey's together stays together! And me, i'm not your normal researcher...

Why dont you all become Buzz,, Blow the whole freeking world up haha. I'll be in my cave with the few that follow,, if any. You do relize Buzz,, if you was not on this forum there would be 0 caos,, there would be no bashing. What makes you think they want you mod here? your a fly trap for trouble! People do not like you,,, your banned from almost every possible hydrogen related forum. It want be long before they ban you from here to...

I can Bash with you all year long,, i actually enjoy it,, so your in my thread and this probably want stop until the mods decide what to do with us....

PS,,, i did start this post to bring the ones out that didn't belong in this technology,,, I made this post to start a fight,,, NO. Step back and think about what has went on and what im pointing out here.... Told you i'd end the controllers didn't i....

Now you see them, look here. Whats worth more,, my hands on work that i show or his 2 cents for gossip? Choices.

And yes, you did post all my personal information on oupower,, thats why they banned you moron and thats why i had to change my phone number,,, and yes you was Posting links for the people of my forum to turn me in for donation fraud because you was jellouse of it,, and i was putting full time in to this technology and if someone wants to donate then thats their business,,, "I still put full time into this technology." And and most forums donators are giving special colors to their names, stars or whatever,, its a way of showing respect and a thank you,, but you made it out like i was offering a special color for donating,, like i was charging.. your a sicko...

Stevie now has my forum,, so im not worried with it anymore... These guy's here have no ideal what the HELL is going on here in this thread,, its way above their heads,,, you do wrong boy and it is 7 fold!

It's taken me a while to get situated to the point i could warn other users of you,, now im giving warning,,, your not for this technology,, your a player... Matter of fact it took you "4 months" of sniffing around me before you could find something on me,,, As i might point out you was a woman when you first arrived into this technology and now you're sleeping with one. ha.

you do the math. Mods here better be watching their ass because he it done me the same way and when it didn't get its way it whent apeshit. 

you guy's wanna see resonance,, watch my upcomming videos,,, i'll show ya.... I've about had it with this disrespectful crap,,, you guy's can have em...

PS,, you correct someones spelling on my forum,,, i kick your ass out! That doesn't fly over there, I am a man of respect, but you have brought out my disrespect! 
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on February 17, 2009, 01:20:14 AM
Not impressed Hydrostupid.

Police siren sound effect? Sorry mouth breather, that sound effect changes frequency, not amplitude. The wave form you just posted is the equivalent of turning your light dimmer up and down.


you're an idiot!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwOLLzJ1mGY
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 17, 2009, 03:57:56 AM
Fellows

I believe we just went Overunity on the nasty scale

Still not close on the shithead scale [but theres still some time left,how much? who knows?]

Chet


Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on February 17, 2009, 08:13:58 AM
lol,, have a beer!

i'm going to france,, i hear the meds are free there.

Ha, Ha, where'd my energy go? Ah bleh perhaps another day... Hey,, send your wife my love... ;)

Your post is to long for me to read, just looking at it makes my head hurt, Try and squeeze it all in one sentence next time haha. Next time i'm feeling down i'll come read your post. 
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 18, 2009, 05:50:45 AM
Ok I admit it .

Those are my own bobbins , its not Stan's lol .. I just took an old transformer and put it on a metal box

I did it to boost my wire sells



Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on February 18, 2009, 10:07:03 AM
Thebuzz,
Man thats the longest hate blog i have ever seen.. you must of spent a hour typing that up.. i think i know what your problem is.. you need some .. what do you sit behind the computer all day nutting your self drinking your beer fueling your daily hope by hating on people? you know what else might help is if you went outside and got some exercise.. maybe some sun?? you need to stop sobbing in your evil vengeful sadness...i dont know you but to see some guy write a 8.5 essay on a bunch of stuff that makes someones work look phoney, are you trying to deter people from the idea or are you just that closed minded... i mean im not the smartest in electronics and you question a earth ground as if a car would have to be grounded to the earth to have earth ground.. not considering that any big metal object might be inductive enough it self to be considered earth ground.??? i mean we all here should know a regular cars spark plug deadshorts right to the block.. why doesnt it shock you when your working on it? think on that buzz light year. if you like i can print you up a certificate and mail it to ya for worlds longest waste of time post. maybe put some great work stickers on it bring you back to your elementary school days. make you feel weal pwoud. dankies been on the right path for a while now im just now catchen up.. i suggest taking him serious but my year of study isnt worth acknolegment huh.  please dont respond a novel on me now i dont wanna be famous.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 18, 2009, 03:38:42 PM
... dankies been on the right path for a while now im just now catchen up.. i suggest taking him serious but my year of study isnt worth acknolegment huh...

I see the newbs keep coming out to support Dankie.

Waste of time arguing with these people...
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on February 18, 2009, 05:24:39 PM
the buzz killer,
funny that i am a being called a newb..i know otherwise... i still think you need to get some. everyone needs to pitch in and buy buzz a hoe.  coming from someone that has nothing to show of his work (buzz)not even one video of production.. but i forgot your the next stan meyer.. whens your novel on how stans stuff works coming out? since it will be reproduction edition of his work that he has already covered.. sorry i dont waste my time in perfection with my typing... there was nothin over read and to far above my head with the  earth ground you  you give no chance of acception.. i havent tried it nor do i know if it works yet.. but i will not close my mind to it... 6-1 vic will work but i guess you are just to lost in your readings and dreams to take real picture of the vic serious.. you say that the injectors are powered by a magneto in the distributor... WRONG!  the distributor is made to take mechanical timing and change it to analog signal to goto the gas management system. how does that work? it has inferred in it to detect rotation speeds. its so funny how people can try to deny people there reasoning because of hate.. sure it can be made without his wire.. but not 6-1 whats really so special about 6-1 is what the stainless wire achieves in the circuit.. the ability to lower capacitance gap without amp influxing. and it can easly reach 40,000 volts for that small gap. if your on the right path can you show me a video of your work? because i dont think i have seen one thing usefull about stans work that you have posted yet..  this time can my numerical response be at least 20 catagorys long.. please include details of how your ideal vic works and lets see how much you know. sice your writing a book this should come easy for ya.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 18, 2009, 05:53:07 PM
Fellows

I know have three led's running overunity, just on the NASTY coming off this topic!!



Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 18, 2009, 08:17:50 PM
The Buzz I must admit should win a safety award because he has not one time, not even by accident posted any useful information in all his postings here.   With all his Claims of Grandeur in his research it seems that he would have accidentally posted something that would be similar to proof.  The fact of having no proof posted is the 1st sign of him being a “phony” (check my spelling on this).  Although he has a good vocabulary, a hateful heart, and a head full of theory I have not read one thing in his post that would be useful to any research at any level. I would like to suggest that instead of trying to republish Stan’s work that he just retreat to his bedroom with his collection of Hasselhoff’s (in the Buff) photos and try to enjoy him-self.

Enough time spent on this slug (drain on society) now for more serious research I have uncovered the entire knowledge base for this project.

Grumpy, I’ll send it to you in a PM (please don’t share it with that phony).
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 18, 2009, 09:33:16 PM
Buzz, 
For once I agree with you on the knowledge base.  I couldn’t tell with the statements you’ve posted that you even knew it existed.  I was willing to keep the secret from you if everyone else was.  Why don’t you try reading it and see if you can get any of it to work.  All you’ve done so far is try to discourage those who are trying.  If you were as helpful as you have been harmful in this project it would have already been solved.   
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 18, 2009, 11:37:11 PM
This is a must see vidio.

SECRETS OF STANLEY MEYER’S WFC – Lecture 1.1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGp7hMUXjmI
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 19, 2009, 12:17:04 AM
john

Thanks for the movies

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: CrazyEwok on February 19, 2009, 02:23:24 AM
Mud slinging and name calling all in the name of saving face on a blog board. You will all fail if you try to replicate Meyers work based on current pricipals. Your talking about a guy that coined terms used in the electrics and science circles before they were standardized... You want to replicate his work take less notice of what he says and more notice of what he says each part does. A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet!!! And your both arguing over who has the bigger peen in an non-replicatable topic. Yes there are lemmings out there willing to follow the pied pipper with what he says but if you think you can take something and improve on it do so, LET YOUR RESULTS BE YOUR PROOF NOT YOUR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF ENGLISH... I've read 345 pages of this 10 times... THE BOOK WAS WRITTEN BY SOMEONE INTERPRETATING SOMEONE ELSES WORK!!! you can read it 10 thousand times but you may as well be reading a wiggles book if you think it hold some magic code if the author could do it already why havn't they done what everyone else is doing, launch it on a public forum and start commercialising this tech so that we can prosper... instead they know how to do it and write a PDF file and then what?!? magical twins claiming the keys to the garden of eden all for 7 million dollars... don't make me laugh
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on February 19, 2009, 03:19:15 AM

That device is doing fast complex switching, impedance matching, modulation, etc. There is a whole lot more to this than meets the eye or was ever disclosed in the notes or patents. How people can look past the reality that this is a big boy toy is a mystery. It is doable but it is going to take smart people to do it.


Exhaust gas after oil injection would be pretty interesting stuff.

A fact that many seem to overlook is that you need a source of HHO, H O, etc. (GAS). - it does not have to be a Meyer Cell, it can be a ordinary HHO cell - it just won't be efficient.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on February 19, 2009, 03:26:28 AM
so buzz
yea me englesh may not bee thee best but i dont care enough to perfect it. lol anyways so you say you have read it 10 times? where should i start for making a 350 chevy run on water? what are the components needed?. i need a alternator some ferrite rods and alot of wire? a good  diode for the positive choke? are the chokes wound together or seperate? what size wire should i use? what do i need to build to power it?? if im being misled can u  give me an overall of what i need to fix my misleaded mind? can you do that? maybe people might stop arguing if you give a overall and they see your full side of the story... ive only read his material twice and i havent sunk the value of a plane in my projects. so im not as far along. people need to stop fighting it weetoded..
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on February 20, 2009, 02:33:33 AM
buzz your hilarious.. you sound like you must have been a mommas boy. just remember in real life not this internet chat fight that i am the ALPHA male your just a little prison june june. your talk to try to make me sound stupid only humors me..  i know if we met in person you wouldnt say one word that you have said on here to my face.. and thats what makes you a june june. i would bitchsmack you so quick you would run to ur mommy crying for the teet.

for reading the work 10 times and spending so much of your time and money on this you  dont understand the multi-spool coil? how could you have spent so much money when you just admited you dont even know the wiring for the choke multispool choke bifiliar wound bobbins??.  seems like that would be somthing you just fell into figuring out with lots of money in experimenting..  lol thats funny.  then you mention showing off your sine waves soon lol..kevin west can show you a good tidal wave on his youtube videos all day. yours will most likely be a computer animation of your imaginary setup working.

good luck on being a little june june in your gaily life.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 20, 2009, 08:25:41 PM
Can you hear that?

Nothing!!??

SHHH.. I thought I heard something!!

Shudup and eat your popcorn!!

Its Friday the fights don't start for hours

Shh...did you hear that...It sounded like a shoe dropped??



Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: AhuraMazda on February 21, 2009, 02:21:43 PM
Chet
Dont make comments comments like that.
This thread was built on mutual disrespect!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on February 21, 2009, 05:39:58 PM
ladys and gents,

things to know about inductor chokes

1- The current that an inductor can handle depends on the size of the wire. The inductance
does not; it is a function of the number of turns in the coil, the diameter of the
coil, and the overall shape of the coil.

2- In general, inductance of a coil is directly proportional to the number of turns of
wire. Inductance is also directly proportional to the diameter of the coil. The length of
a coil, given a certain number of turns and a certain diameter, has an effect also: the
longer the coil, the less the inductance

3-Very small coils, with few turns of wire, produce small inductances, in which the
current changes quickly and the voltages are small. Huge coils with ferromagnetic
cores, and having many turns of wire, have large inductances, in which the current
changes slowly and the voltages are large

4- As long as the magnetic fields around inductors do not interact, inductances in series
add like resistances in series. The total value is the sum of the individual values. It’s important
to be sure that you are using the same size units for all the inductors when you
add their values.


-all in all we know that current is determined by size of wire used.
-inductance is determined by geometrical demensions of coil  and has direct relationship to number of winds.
-the longer geometrical coil the less inductance.. thats why 6-1 magnifies in individual cavities it is considered a 16th of an inch inductor. and its like having 14 seperate chokes in series. its also why the choke in his water polarization unit is small.
-Huge coils with ferromagnetic cores, having many turns of wire, have large inductances, in which the current changes slowly and the voltages are large

note of number 4- As long as the magnetic fields around inductors do not interact, inductances in series
add like resistances in series..
they are definatly interacting which would take away resistance in 6-1. this i beleave is why the all in one unit requires resistive wire.  then again depending on how the choke wire is wired you can have 2 seperate wires (Bifiliar) flowing the same way?

outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 21, 2009, 06:38:00 PM
Outlaw

Thanks for sharing that info

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on February 21, 2009, 07:11:41 PM
no problem ramset. here is some more quite useful information.

Filter chokes
The largest values of inductance that can be obtained in practice are on the order of
several henrys. The primary use of a coil this large is to smooth out the pulsations in direct
current that result when ac is rectified in a power supply. This type of coil is known
as a filter choke

Inductors at radio frequency
The radio frequencies range from 9 kHz to well above 100 GHz. At the low end of this
range, inductors are similar to those at audio frequencies. As the frequency increases,
cores having lower permeability are used. Toroids are quite common up through about
30 MHz


Inductors at audio frequencies range in value from a few millihenrys up to about 1 H.
They are almost always toroidally wound, or are wound in a pot core, or comprise part
of an audio transformer.
Inductors can be used in conjunction with moderately large values of capacitance
in order to obtain audio tuned circuits. However, in recent years, audio tuning has
been taken over by active components, particularly integrated circuits


***********notes*********

toroid and pot core chokes will not work.. they can only be used in a pre determined circuit that doesnt need to be tuned..  stan is using a tunable negative choke. ruling them out. i know of two ways to make a tunable choke.. one is to finely sand a  line from end to end of coil and use a copper rod that can slide from end to end..  the copper rod is attached to secondary neg along with neg choke.. the other way is shown in pic.. allowing your ferro rod to be adjustabe.   the one in the pic would work really good for having ability of electronic control by means of servo.

please buzz dont disagree with my non intelect self.. remember i am a moron becasue i dont write like a 12th grade english teacher..

outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 22, 2009, 03:43:26 AM
The Dead Cow and Vet School

 

First-year students at the UC Davis Vet school were receiving their first anatomy class, with a real dead cow.

They all gathered around the surgery table with the body covered with a white sheet. The professor started the class by telling them, 'In Veterinary Medicine it is necessary to have two important qualities as a doctor: The first is that you not be disgusted by anything involving the animal body.' For an example, the Professor pulled back the sheet, stuck his finger in the butt of the dead cow, withdrew it and stuck his finger in his mouth.

'Go ahead and do the same thing,' he told his students. The students freaked out, hesitated for several minutes, but eventually took turns sticking a finger in the anal opening of the dead cow and sucking on it.

When everyone finished, the Professor looked at them and said, 'The second most important quality is observation. I stuck in my middle finger and sucked on my index finger.' 'Now learn to pay attention. Life's tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid.'
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on February 22, 2009, 07:46:07 AM
Call me crazy but i just had the strangest feeling. Outlaw and buzz is the same member or they are good friends?

I know i know, its crazy, what was i thinking,,,, I wonder what brown thinks.

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 22, 2009, 06:48:26 PM
Nah outlaw is cool ... I even released the pics under a proxy name close to him so Dyno wouldnt  be pissed @ me .

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6711.10

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 22, 2009, 08:02:14 PM
farrahday from waterfuelcell forums and thebuzz are the same person.....
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: AhuraMazda on February 23, 2009, 01:24:20 AM
I am Spartacus.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 23, 2009, 04:18:33 PM
I am Spartacus.

No you are a retard , I'm looking to get you banned from planet x

You are a parasite , you havent posted since may 2008

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: AhuraMazda on February 23, 2009, 06:42:35 PM
No you are a retard , I'm looking to get you banned from planet x

You are a parasite , you havent posted since may 2008



@Dankie,

I think you've got the wrong Spartacus. Where is planetx anyway?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on February 23, 2009, 07:29:49 PM
this is fact not fiction so listen up,

Electrons can move rather easily from one atom to another in some materials. In
other substances, it is difficult to get electrons to move. But in any case, it is far easier
to move electrons than it is to move protons. Electricity almost always results, in some
way, from the motion of electrons in a material.

Electrons are much lighter than protons or neutrons. In fact, compared to the nucleus
of an atom, the electrons weigh practically nothing.

Generally, the number of electrons in an atom is the same as the number of protons.
The negative charges therefore exactly cancel out the positive ones, and the atom is
electrically neutral. But under some conditions, there can be an excess or shortage of
electrons. High levels of radiant energy, extreme heat, or the presence of an electric field
 can “knock” or “throw” electrons loose from atoms, upsetting the balance

Ions
If an atom has more or less electrons than neutrons, that atom acquires an electrical
charge. A shortage of electrons results in positive charge; an excess of electrons gives a
negative charge. The element’s identity remains the same, no matter how great the excess
or shortage of electrons. In the extreme case, all the electrons might be removed

Conductors
In some materials, electrons move easily from atom to atom. In others, the electrons
move with difficulty. And in some materials, it is almost impossible to get them to move.
An electrical conductor is a substance in which the electrons are mobile.

An insulating material is sometimes called a dielectric. This term arises from the
fact that it keeps electrical charges apart, preventing the flow of electrons that would
equalize a charge difference between two places. Excellent insulating materials can be
used to advantage in certain electrical components such as capacitors, where it is important
that electrons not flow.

An EMF (electromotive force) of one volt, across a resistance of one ohm, will cause a current of one ampere
to flow. This is a classic relationship in electricity, and is stated generally as Ohm’s Law.
If the EMF is doubled, the current is doubled. If the resistance is doubled, the current
is cut in half.

It is possible to have an EMF without having any current. This is the case just
before a lightning bolt occurs, and before you touch that radiator after walking on the
carpet. It is also true between the two wires of an electric lamp when the switch is
turned off. It is true of a dry cell when there is nothing connected to it. There is no current,
but a current is possible given a conductive path between the two points. Voltage,
or EMF, is sometimes called potential or potential difference for this reason

i dont want to here any debates.. read lean understand..

***************notes***************

charges in a wire are caused by excess or shortage of electrons for copper atoms.

conductors allow more fluid transfer of electrons..
t
he stainless steel will create resistance less fluid like transfer

emf transformers put out higher current as frequency increases..

double the resistance current drops by half

10-20khz is a low frequency so lower current being forced by emf transformer primary to secondary
turns then take over for upping volts.. even more volts and resistance/ impeadance is added by chokes to restrict the low amp voltage.

positve choke gets super saturated with positve copper ions.. the capacitance of the choke means more volume for more positive copper ions to be stored.. they in return want electrons so bad there trying to steel waters electons.. it will go for waters before it will go for the negative excitor plate since the waters are closer.. any that try to jump in the form of current is choked of by resistance of neg choke.
when tuning negative choke to waters resistance you are mainly lowering its potential of neg to prevent it from being strong enough to cross.

hope this helps all


outlawstc

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 23, 2009, 08:08:30 PM
Outlaw

Thanks for that post

Many are trying to learn!!

Thanks again for taking the time to study and share

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on February 23, 2009, 08:39:07 PM
no problem.. there is no doubt or theory on these statements.. it is based off what i am reading about electronics.

outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on February 24, 2009, 02:53:21 PM
When I originally joined this and similar forums some years ago, I – rather naively - expected to be conversing with like-minded intelligent human beings.

The sad truth is that these forums seem to be a magnet for muppets, the result being that intelligent people that might actually be able to contribute something useful, are either only around for a very short time before they tire of the stupidity or become intolerant of the nonsense, or stay completely well clear.

Like Buzz (and no, I’m not Buzz), many of you will know I’ve never been a fan of old Hydro, as his is amongst the worse of all the nonsense on any forum I’ve ever visited.  Actually no, I must correct myself here; the fact is that the very worst nonsense on any forum usually comes via Hydro in one of his guises.

A lot is mentioned about spelling, and although everyone produces a typo from time to time, such blatant and continuous misspelling and diabolical grammar must surely be a good indication of that persons level of education.  And let’s face it we are often scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

Ask yourself. How can anyone that cannot even string together a simple grammatically correct sentence actually be capable of even remotely understanding electronics or the chemistry involved here.  Some posts, if not complete and utter gibberish are totally indecipherable, making ancient hieroglyphics look like an easy read! 

Of course, the answer is blindingly obvious: These people haven’t got a clue what they are doing or indeed what they are talking about! And the misinformation they spread to the gullible is criminal. 

The ignorance and illiteracy on these forums never fails to amaze me – nor indeed does the following that these hopeless and uneducated individuals seem to acquire.

It really is a matter of the blind leading the blind. The ignorant and the stupid will go around and around in circles for as long as these forums put up with them, never achieving anything other than deterring intelligent minds from taking part. 

Obviously anyone with half a brain and a decent high school education can see the nonsense Hydrocars spouts for exactly what it is – absolute utter garbage. But, while he and his likes are allowed to freely plague these forums, nothing will ever progress, and it will forever be just a playground for idiots and morons.

Finally, just for you Buzz, sit back and have a laugh. My all time favourite Hydrocars post can be found here, where in his unending wisdom he explains that electricity is in fact an atom – called the Lithium atom!

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=469

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1194&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0

Hence, for anyone actually trying to learn anything, this is really not the place to do so.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 24, 2009, 06:30:08 PM
Farrah Day

Much in this world has changed since you were here last!!

As I recall you were attacked in a thread that was a build thread[BAD STUFF]

We need more people like you here!!

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on February 24, 2009, 07:04:43 PM
Farrah Day
everyone knows how obsessed buzz light year the english teacher is about proper english skillz... so i therefore conclude that you Farrah Day are buzz.. lol you couldnt come back on your old name and say nothin because you lost your battle.. so now you bring your other infamous name on here and start talking about bad english again? i gotta give it to ya, your deff. not a quitter huh?  my last 3 post on here have probly been the most formative and real knowlege posts on this thread other then english skillz.. you are the person that can only see one way.. your way or no way... i would prefer it if you stay off this thread buzz nobody wants you hear..yea i just spelt here wrong to mess with you OCD somemore.  you are nothin but a downer,  nuisance to society. and down right ignorant to think just because someone cant spell and type correctly, that they are automaticaly marked as worthless troll of informative knowlege..  you minus well say all  dyslexia people in the world are idiots.. but infact alot of them are very smart in different ways.. if i hear one more comment about englsh skillz on this thread as a reasoning to try to hold a upper ground on people im gonna laugh.. why? because we all know who it is.. buzzzzzzzzz .



outlawstc



outlaw
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 24, 2009, 07:28:43 PM
Outlaw

having seen the last episode with user fearjar and FarrahDay

I disagree

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on February 24, 2009, 07:50:08 PM
Hi Chet

Yeh, it's been a while. Unfortunately I don't find that much seems to have changed around here in recent months.  The place still abounds with illiterate idiots as Outlawstc has kindly emphasised above. Still chasing their tales and going nowhere fast.

It seems to me that if folks really want to show everyone just how stupid they are, that they flunked junior school, that they know nothing at all about about science and that infact they even struggle to write intelligibly, then this is the place to do it. Yes sir, this is the place - it's like a competition for retards, with Hydrocars setting the benchmark.

I know from past experience, it's impossible to converse intelligently with these people, the level of general ignorance is simply too great. Even with education aside, most mental ages around here seem to be in single figures.

If moderators implemented a system whereby people had to demonstrate that they have a reasonable level of education and an IQ at least in double figures before they were allowed to post, then that would immediately eliminate 90% of the forum members - and perhaps bring some sanity to the posts. 

Of course that will never happen, so for the foreseeable future this will simply remain, 'The Muppet Show'!

My tolerance for stupidity is, and always has been extremely low, especially when people are continuously spouting absolute garbage, again and again. I don't tend to mince my words... what's the point? Most people around here would struggle if I used bigger words.

I would strongly suggest to anyone wanting to learn about electronics, or anything else related to this WFC subject to use proven, trusted and reliable sources in order to avoid the misinfo and utter nonsense that abounds on these threads.

For your own sanity, and with reference to these forums, take heed of the only useful bit of information ever provided by the infamous Hydrocars. Quote: 'Don't believe anything you see or hear!'

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: fritz on February 24, 2009, 11:03:41 PM
Quote: 'Don't believe anything you see or hear!'

Wow. Thats progress.

Don´t believe anything you see, hear or feel !

Never trust a coil,
Dont´t believe in DVMs,
Read good books on electronics/electrics before you inhale the vacuum,
Try to understand back-EMF as nothing outside the universe,
(....)

quite inspiring - will do a list.

rgds.

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on February 24, 2009, 11:49:28 PM
wow i guess the books im reading are wrong... the only info pertaining to stans work i have posted is what i have read.. not theory nor misinformation..    read my posts people dont listen to these negative people here is a full post of truth.. farrah day/ buzz please inform where i have false information about electronics..



ladys and gents,

things to know about inductor chokes

1- The current that an inductor can handle depends on the size of the wire. The inductance
does not; it is a function of the number of turns in the coil, the diameter of the
coil, and the overall shape of the coil.

2- In general, inductance of a coil is directly proportional to the number of turns of
wire. Inductance is also directly proportional to the diameter of the coil. The length of
a coil, given a certain number of turns and a certain diameter, has an effect also: the
longer the coil, the less the inductance

3-Very small coils, with few turns of wire, produce small inductances, in which the
current changes quickly and the voltages are small. Huge coils with ferromagnetic
cores, and having many turns of wire, have large inductances, in which the current
changes slowly and the voltages are large

4- As long as the magnetic fields around inductors do not interact, inductances in series
add like resistances in series. The total value is the sum of the individual values. It’s important
to be sure that you are using the same size units for all the inductors when you
add their values.


-all in all we know that current is determined by size of wire used.
-inductance is determined by geometrical demensions of coil  and has direct relationship to number of winds.
-the longer geometrical coil the less inductance.. thats why 6-1 magnifies in individual cavities it is considered a 16th of an inch inductor. and its like having 14 seperate chokes in series. its also why the choke in his water polarization unit is small.
-Huge coils with ferromagnetic cores, having many turns of wire, have large inductances, in which the current changes slowly and the voltages are large

note of number 4- As long as the magnetic fields around inductors do not interact, inductances in series
add like resistances in series..
they are definatly interacting which would take away resistance in 6-1. this i beleave is why the all in one unit requires resistive wire.  then again depending on how the choke wire is wired you can have 2 seperate wires (Bifiliar) flowing the same way?


************************************************************************************************************************

here is fact not fiction so listen up,

Electrons can move rather easily from one atom to another in some materials. In
other substances, it is difficult to get electrons to move. But in any case, it is far easier
to move electrons than it is to move protons. Electricity almost always results, in some
way, from the motion of electrons in a material.

Electrons are much lighter than protons or neutrons. In fact, compared to the nucleus
of an atom, the electrons weigh practically nothing.

Generally, the number of electrons in an atom is the same as the number of protons.
The negative charges therefore exactly cancel out the positive ones, and the atom is
electrically neutral. But under some conditions, there can be an excess or shortage of
electrons. High levels of radiant energy, extreme heat, or the presence of an electric field
 can “knock” or “throw” electrons loose from atoms, upsetting the balance

Ions
If an atom has more or less electrons than neutrons, that atom acquires an electrical
charge. A shortage of electrons results in positive charge; an excess of electrons gives a
negative charge. The element’s identity remains the same, no matter how great the excess
or shortage of electrons. In the extreme case, all the electrons might be removed

Conductors
In some materials, electrons move easily from atom to atom. In others, the electrons
move with difficulty. And in some materials, it is almost impossible to get them to move.
An electrical conductor is a substance in which the electrons are mobile.

An insulating material is sometimes called a dielectric. This term arises from the
fact that it keeps electrical charges apart, preventing the flow of electrons that would
equalize a charge difference between two places. Excellent insulating materials can be
used to advantage in certain electrical components such as capacitors, where it is important
that electrons not flow.

An EMF (electromotive force) of one volt, across a resistance of one ohm, will cause a current of one ampere
to flow. This is a classic relationship in electricity, and is stated generally as Ohm’s Law.
If the EMF is doubled, the current is doubled. If the resistance is doubled, the current
is cut in half.

It is possible to have an EMF without having any current. This is the case just
before a lightning bolt occurs, and before you touch that radiator after walking on the
carpet. It is also true between the two wires of an electric lamp when the switch is
turned off. It is true of a dry cell when there is nothing connected to it. There is no current,
but a current is possible given a conductive path between the two points. Voltage,
or EMF, is sometimes called potential or potential difference for this reason

i dont want to here any debates.. read lean understand..

***************notes***************

charges in a wire are caused by excess or shortage of electrons for copper atoms.

conductors allow more fluid transfer of electrons..
t
he stainless steel will create resistance less fluid like transfer

emf transformers put out higher current as frequency increases..

double the resistance current drops by half

10-20khz is a low frequency so lower current being forced by emf transformer primary to secondary
turns then take over for upping volts.. even more volts and resistance/ impeadance is added by chokes to restrict the low amp voltage.

positve choke gets super saturated with positve copper ions.. the capacitance of the choke means more volume for more positive copper ions to be stored.. they in return want electrons so bad there trying to steel waters electons.. it will go for waters before it will go for the negative excitor plate since the waters are closer.. any that try to jump in the form of current is choked of by resistance of neg choke.
when tuning negative choke to waters resistance you are mainly lowering its potential of neg to prevent it from being strong enough to cross.

hope this helps all

**********************************************************************************************************************

Filter chokes
The largest values of inductance that can be obtained in practice are on the order of
several henrys. The primary use of a coil this large is to smooth out the pulsations in direct
current that result when ac is rectified in a power supply. This type of coil is known
as a filter choke

Inductors at radio frequency
The radio frequencies range from 9 kHz to well above 100 GHz. At the low end of this
range, inductors are similar to those at audio frequencies. As the frequency increases,
cores having lower permeability are used. Toroids are quite common up through about
30 MHz


Inductors at audio frequencies range in value from a few millihenrys up to about 1 H.
They are almost always toroidally wound, or are wound in a pot core, or comprise part
of an audio transformer.
Inductors can be used in conjunction with moderately large values of capacitance
in order to obtain audio tuned circuits. However, in recent years, audio tuning has
been taken over by active components, particularly integrated circuits


***********notes*********

toroid and pot core chokes will not work.. they can only be used in a pre determined circuit that doesnt need to be tuned..  stan is using a tunable negative choke. ruling them out. i know of two ways to make a tunable choke.. one is to finely sand a  line from end to end of coil and use a copper rod that can slide from end to end..  the copper rod is attached to secondary neg along with neg choke.. the other way is shown in pic.. allowing your ferro rod to be adjustabe.   the one in the pic would work really good for having ability of electronic control by means of servo.

please buzz dont disagree with my non intelect self.. remember i am a moron becasue i dont write like a 12th grade english teacher..


whoever read this became smarter.. and now has a better understanding of electric..

so tell me farrah day/ buzz where am i babbling non sense?


outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 25, 2009, 12:33:41 AM
Here is something nice , something you will probably save on your computer

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=122
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: fritz on February 25, 2009, 12:35:59 AM
Peace Now !

My comments were based on the "hear and see" issue and of the general type - and had nothing to do with you and this thread.
BTW: You should write an FAQ.
My "never trust a coil" statement was because of the fact that a coil is from engineering point of view no "ideal" part - and everything you said here is right.
so - no issue.

rgds.

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 25, 2009, 02:08:10 AM
ST BUZZ

where are you ???

What have they done with you and Grumpy ?

SPEAK!!!

ARE you writing the idiots guide to Meyers??

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 25, 2009, 02:23:28 AM
STEFAN
have you banned the BUZZ??

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on February 25, 2009, 02:26:45 AM
STEFAN
have you banned the BUZZ??

Chet

The_Buzz is right here , he's Farrah Day .

We know 100% this is The_Buzz , debating this is foolish .

The_Buzz , come help your friend ramset , he needs help building his miraculous HHO heater ...
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on February 25, 2009, 12:12:50 PM
Outlaw seems quite happy to be posting stuff he read in his 'electronics for beginners' book, but this should not be what the forum is about. This is the stuff folk should be studying or researching prior to coming on here to discuss WFC's.  This is the background science that folk should already have to enable them to then discuss the things that are at issue here and not readily found in textbooks.

This is not the place to try to teach electronics, especially when the teacher is a complete novice himself, not fully understanding what he is talking about, and so prone to getting things wrong and post misleading info!

As Outlaw has once again conveniently highlighted:

Quote
Ions
If an atom has more or less electrons than neutrons, that atom acquires an electrical
charge.

Doh! A neutron is neutral you muppet (the clue is in the name), so does not effect the overall electrical charge of the atom. The proton provides the +ve charge in the atoms nulceus.

So you see what I mean?

In one post Outlaw has redifined science as we know it, and does not have the backgound education to realise his mistake. You can no more trust these so-called educational posts any further than you can trust the idiot posting them.  This really emphasises just what I posted previously - it's the blind leading the blind, and more fool anyone that is stupid enough to be taken in by these idiots.

I get the impression that people think that they can simply jump in at the deep end and understand this stuff with no prior background education in science whatsoever - it just isn't going to happen!

If you want to learn about, electronics, chemistry or science in general, then go on a course, visit your local library, or dare I say it...BUY A BLOODY BOOK! By all means get yourselves an education, but DO NOT, EVER, trust anything you read around here, it will be your downfall.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on February 26, 2009, 01:14:02 AM
thank you for pointing out my typo.. i meant protons not neutrons..  a 8th grade student could point that mistake out..  i laugh at you for finding only one thing out of all my thead that was wrong...  your just showing your tru colors by trying to point out such things and use such a stupid little mistake to discredit it.. is that all you got buzz? you remind me of  J.P on grandmas boy lol


  adios terd nuggets    lol

heres somthin interesting enjoy the show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcXxKiGyA3g

outlawstc


Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on February 26, 2009, 10:29:57 AM
It's no wonder that these forums are never given any real credibility, and quite obvious why they are not frequented by intellectuals or anyone of learning.

The problem we have here is that the general level of ignorance and stupidity is so high that if someone posts some utter nonsense, then 99% of the people - being ignorant or stupid themselves - simply accept it without question.

Quote
thank you for pointing out my typo.. i meant protons not neutrons..  a 8th grade student could point that mistake out..  i laugh at you for finding only one thing out of all my thead that was wrong..

It's quite irrelevant what you meant, you stated neutrons = misinfo. Why didn't you correct yourself?

An 8th grade student might well have picked up on this, but I doubt many of the folks around here are up to that level - and you missed it yourself, so what is that saying?

And, of course it's not the only incorrect info you posted, but I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you things you don't have the brains to comprehend.

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 26, 2009, 09:02:16 PM
It's no wonder that these forums are never given any real credibility, and quite obvious why they are not frequented by intellectuals or anyone of learning.

 I agree, that statment certainly describes why you are here.

The problem we have here is that the general level of ignorance and stupidity is so high that if someone posts some utter nonsense, then 99% of the people - being ignorant or stupid themselves - simply accept it without question.

You should draw a large following with this, without question.

It's quite irrelevant what you meant, you stated neutrons = misinfo. Why didn't you correct yourself?

How dare someone make a mistake!

IAn 8th grade student might well have picked up on this, but I doubt many of the folks around here are up to that level - and you missed it yourself, so what is that saying?

I can tell you are at least a couple of years past the 8th grade; it's you maturity that has been stunted.

And, of course it's not the only incorrect info you posted, but I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you things you don't have the brains to comprehend.

Ditto!!!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 26, 2009, 09:13:17 PM
wow if he couldn't prove it anymore than he already has......FARRAHDAY=THEBUZZ......wow........

indeed buzz or should i say farrahday
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on February 26, 2009, 09:14:36 PM
well buzz light year.. you know that you cant pick anything out but that one type o .. i have brought alot of info to this thread needed  to understand stans vic.. your problem is you dont have the darnndest clue what ur talking about.. except for english and grammer so u say.... your a liar and a waste of time. i have bigger and better things to achive then to babble on with ur ignorant being..  and i figured out the last piece to the puzzle for the rotary vic.. i will not post it here because your miss leading mind don't deserve it.. this will be my last post on this thread.. for all of you mature people that have read my non misleading info the best of luck.. as for buzz light year.. its been fun showing your true colors to fellow viewers.. your the joke of the wfc community..  good luck J.P lol


outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on February 26, 2009, 11:36:28 PM
Well, that's more like it, finally a positive note:

Quote
this will be my last post on this thread..

Mr Outlaw person, I'm sure you will be sorely missed by Johnblobstick and all the other mentally challenged individuals that find your input so fascinating. Me... well I guess I'll now have to find somebody else to give me a good laugh! But I tell you, you're going to be hard to replace  ;)
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 27, 2009, 01:34:12 AM
ITS NICE TO LAUGH?

At others ??

The world is turning into a shithole

Lets laugh at each other

That makes sence

Lets laugh!

Fellows is play time over yet?'fun and games?

Is this what you want to leave to your kids and grandkids?

Yeah, the world was turning to shit and they just laughed at each other

It was Amusing????????????????????????????????[sorta makes me feel like Joe Peshi]
O
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on February 27, 2009, 03:35:26 AM
SOO.....

Is it a coward thing?

A stupid thing?

An everyman for himself thing?

Let the ashes fall where they will thing?

Or can we play on to whomsoever much is given much is required???

LETS TRY THAT ONE SHALL WE

Chet

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 27, 2009, 05:08:21 AM
CHET take some riddlin....you wait for the scraps to fall off your masters table (thebuzz)....what a pathetic sidekick.

if you only knew the progress we are making at the retrofit system.

it seems the people that really care about this are HANDS ON.

we are the ones who come back to keep this topic over and over again.....since we are passionate we hate to see people like this control others.....we actually care.....and that is why we won't let this just go.

CHET you need to realize that we are not just arguing and yelling profanities to each other......while that may happen we go back to our corners and continue working......

when we get around to finishing this and it is released you'll learn to pick yourself up off the floor.

get off your knees CHET and stop doing THEBUZZ his dandy favors.

speak for yourself and do something. Follower.

no one likes the peanut gallery.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on February 28, 2009, 02:25:26 AM
I fabricate something and test it out in reality!

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6702.0;attach=31130;image
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 28, 2009, 03:40:47 AM
How do I know this? I replicated the transformer in fig 6-1. It is sort of like cut and paste, but you have to actually fabricate something and test it out in reality.

wait you said you replicated figure 6-1???.....here is your statements saying how it doesn't make sense to you and that you think the drawing lines are toroids!!!! pfftt hahahahah FAIL.
This does not making sense to me. Here is a photo of VIC 6.1 I don't see that in this image. What are those toroid looking things in the drawing? Maybe that is a toroid coil form and the photo is of an e-core.

here is a screen shot so buzz doesn't try to cover his tracks.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/BUZZFAIL2.jpg)

haha yeah you definately replicated it.....

LET ME ASK YOU THIS BUZZ IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE VIC FIGURE 6-1 TELL ME IT'S INDUCTANCE......
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 28, 2009, 08:46:09 AM
It doubles the pulse. You thought your discovery of a bridge was the "big secret" but were too stupid to read Meyer's notes and pay special attention to his mention of a pulse forming network.

hahaha WOW.

you are a fucking loser.

i never said that it (what you call "the secret") was a fucking shitty diode arrangment......

please quote me....

BECUASE I LOVE TO QUOTE YOU.


They have more than a deleted false claim of a Meyer replication like you Kinesisfilms.


Let's see your "I am probably the only person to have actually replicated Meyer" replication asshole so you can "settle this once and for all." - How pathetic.

HAHA again I LOVE YOU!.....PLEEEEEEASSSSSSEEEE SHOW ME EXACTLY WHAT I DELETEDDDDDD.....

i caught you deleting your posts to cover your tracks.......i never once delete my posts EVER.

show me the area that is deleted PLEASE.....i WOULD LOVE YOU TO.

second off.....HA again.....i love your mentality.....is that how i feel?? ACTUALLY ANYONE THAT MIGHT EVEN SOMEWHAT KNOW ME KNOWWWWS

I DO NOT AT ALL BELIEVE THAT.

YOU ARE PATHETIC.

your attitude and mental processing are PATHETIC.

you are an arrogant self indulging fool.

god forbid someone puts a mirror infront of you.

you might fall in love with your incredible WINDING SKILLS.

your transformer doesn't prove anything. AT ALL.

it just shows you know how to wind copper....and from the looks of it your coil most likely doesn't work along with the fact that IT IS NOT FIGURE 6-1....you complete screw up....you didn't even replicate one damn drawing in the tech brief at all!!! SEARCH THE TECH BRIEF IDIOT.....YOU DIDN'T EVEN DO IT CORRECTLY....so yeah nice try loser.

I HOPE YOUR CORE MATERIAL ACTUALLY WORKS. AHAHAHAHA.

i can't wait......

becuase regardless......

you only care about you and anyone else you can control.

FARRAHDAY/THEBUZZ.

so far it seems you have won the heart over of one person.....chet......hahahahaahahha.

your plan is working. not.


SO ONCE AGAIN IF YOU REALLY ARE SUCH A BIGBADSMARTINTELLIGENT PERSON ANSWER MY SIMPLE LITTLE DEPENTARD QUESTION.....

what is the inductance of meyers bifilar coil?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on February 28, 2009, 09:43:23 AM
well i had to check out this thread out of curiosity.. and what do i find the buzz.. so where did farrah day go? oh he must be on vacation right now.. the buzz personality is back... did you forget to take your anti depression pill this morning? or maybe your Schizophrenia medication ..  dont worry buzz we know all about this tech and how it works.. we just get good laughs out of you dumb ass .. i mean you used the word depentard like its going out of style your ratty additude is funny.. it makes me remember past experiences with people like you.. and how i cheese them up.. see buzz your a schizo dependtard. you depend on trying to make people feel down and worthless. your games dont work for me..
like i said the difference between me and you is your a june june..(bitch) while im a alpha male that will break ya neck.. you ever here that song only bitches talk shit.. theres alot of meaning to that.. it means most likey the quiet one that doesnt talk shit is somthin called real.. and has a different reality of life which is not to give shit nor put up with shit.. see a bullshittin bitch can talk shit all day and also have shit talked about him in a verbal dispute with no result..  .. you just help remind me of the social ignorant Conceited,. arrogant, bombastic, bumptious,cocky, egotistical , narcissistic, opinionated, overweening, pompous, prideful fags that are on this world.. its like a daily reality check.. i appreciate it..


outlawstc ;)
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on February 28, 2009, 10:28:47 AM
Just in case anyone looking in thinks that I’ve gone out of my way to create havoc here, then I would ask you to look at the very start of this thread.

On page one, we have Hydrocars (using his much more apt alias, Spewing) saying he has discovered ionisation – but everyone else is taking credit for it…What!?

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When i was told ionization was nothing new, that it was on many other sites before i published, it made me angry because i as well as many others know differently.

We also have Dankie Doodle Dandy saying that folk will have to go ‘throught him’ (I assume he meant, ‘through him’, if they wanted a working VIC.

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Everybody here will have to go throught me before pursuing their dreams of making a working VIC .

So you see the utter nonsense has been here from day one!

Add to this the above illiterate ramblings and outright profanities of the mentally challenged and you can see that the thread is simply maintaining the momentum it started with. Does make you wonder how this thread ever achieved so many views!

I’ve watched the Meyer’s videos, and it’s quite clear that he himself does not fully understand what he is talking about. Indeed anyone with a background in science will tell you that most of what he says is gobbledegook.  And I’m not saying that merely to wind up ardent Meyer fans – it is simply fact.  I really wish that Meyer made more sense in his videos, as his explanations are extremely nonsensical and flawed to say the least.

Using the dielectric constant of water in any formulas is a waste of time, as water is quoted by Meyer and others as having a permittivity in the region of 74 – 78. These are levels of purity only achievable to any degree in the laboratory. Pure water with a relative permittivity of 80, is as good an insulator as you can get, and would require no current limiting to prevent current flowing through it.

However, Meyer states on numerous occasions that ‘any’ water can be used in his WFC, pretty well negating the idea of him using pure water. And we all know that tap water conducts very easily, so we can forget about using the dielectric constant of pure water in any equations.

Meyer will show you that water is pulled apart by voltage. If this is so, why isn’t one of the electrodes simply coated in an insulator to prevent current flow? This would make far more sense than trying to develop complicated circuitry to prevent current flowing through a conductive liquid. This would also mean that all the high voltage was dropped where it is wanted - across the WFC.

Meyer also states that the water molecule is ripped apart by having the electrons pulled off and leaving ions of oxygen and hydrogen.  None of this makes sense as in this state we still do not achieve H2 and O2 gas.

In a standard electrolyser, the water molecule dissociates into OH- and H+ when it ionises. Assuming that breaking this bond requires the least energy, then you would expect water to also break down this way in Meyers WFC.  Even so, the H+ ion in a standard electrolyser is no good for anything until it picks up an electron from somewhere and then joins with another hydrogen atom to be evolved as H2.

You have to ask the question, what was Meyers trying to achieve with his VIC – after all a VIC is just a fancy, made up name for a high voltage transformer. A car ignition coil will provide between 20 – 40kV and is on the shelf, ready made, ready to go. 

I see talk of resistive wire and all sorts of coils to restrict current flow, but all this seems to be overcomplicating the issue.  Adding high impedance coils and resistive wire will only serve to have high voltages drop across them rather than where you want it, across the cell.

As stated, simply insulating one electrode would best achieve a high voltage right across the plates of the cell – that is, if Meyer was actually pulling the water molecule apart as he stated. 

Now if indeed high voltage does cause the water to ionise into OH- and H+, we need a way to use these products, which is where the problems start. The hydrogen ion requires a source of electrons in order to become an atom, and the hydroxyl ion needs somewhere to dump an electron in order to free the oxygen.  If we have insulated or restricted current flow to the cell, then we have a stalemate – and no gas.

A background education in science and a little research would make what I’ve just stated clearly evident.

The most interesting thing I’ve seen recently, and something that might have some real bearing on what Meyer was actually doing (assuming he was genuine), is the John Kanzius – burning saltwater discovery.  Here we have a truly interesting phenomenon that has been highly publicised and looks to all intents and purposes to be genuine.

The Kanzius discovery also poses similar questions to Meyer’s WFC, in that it is not immediately obvious as to the electrochemical reactions taking part – especially given that there are no electrodes. 

Understanding the Kanzius discovery will likely shed a lot of light on the workings of Meyer’s WFC.

People - and rather worryingly some scientists – are saying that Kanzius is simply breaking down water into oxygen and hydrogen, that is then burning off – another form of standard electrolysis, and no big deal.  Easy to say, but far too simple and in truth a statement that is not worthy of anything other than laymen.

Clearly some unheard of and seemingly unknown electrochemistry is at work here. Furthermore, Kanzius is using NaCl as an electrolyte, but apparently not getting any chlorine gas, which would be the case in standard electrolysis.  All very intriguing.

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on February 28, 2009, 12:49:22 PM
well buzz we know theres only 4 forces that effect a atom

All energy in our physical universe (The third dimension) comes from a singular source ... the atom.
There are four basic forces that make up and effect the atomic structure: electrical force, electromagnetic force,
weak and strong nuclear forces, and gravity.

he was building that device for a cancer cure.. by resonating gold particles with radio in the body causing them to heat up.
so i would say maybe kinetic and electromagnetic...

you know buzz you act like your so smart but yet you lack one aspect of most importance. so you cant be that smart. just a fool
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on February 28, 2009, 01:27:35 PM
Outlaw, you just can't help yourself can you?

So much for you saying it was your last post on this thread... thought it would be true good to be true.

OK, I give in.

You've got it.

You win the 'Dumb Ass of the Year Competition', by proving yourself to be the biggest, most illiterate, mentally challenged dumb ass on the forum at present.

That said, it's early in the year so if you want to retain your title you're going to have to work at it, as I daresay you will come under some heavy opposition!

May the 'forces' be with you  ;D
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 28, 2009, 04:28:27 PM
It is obvious, psychotic multiple personality disorder, seek help, it is available, MHMR, check it out.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on February 28, 2009, 04:40:28 PM
If the MHMR can't help you contact the Catholic Church I think they will still perform an exorcism.  As a matter of fact in your case with such an accute condition, call the Catholics first. But, you do need to get some help as soon as you can, I am concerned about you.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on February 28, 2009, 04:50:38 PM
You are a mother fucker!

How can you ever walk into a hydrogen research group in say,,, "Washington" without getting your head busted with a tiretool or big freeking fist,,, How big a boy are ya? 


I bet you're a gay faggot that just stays at home wanking your weter, i bet your wife is really a man LOL....



I think we all should start making Billboards for you, No, OF you! I also think hartman is on the verge for banning you from this forum.

We have a nice little place for you on the top left of our forum index,, and a nice place for someone else on the top right! Ha, then you can call your self a "Poster Child."


And you're wrong jackass, my injectors are welded! Cant help its so nicely done you dildn't realize it,, and that was an old injector i made months ago, So Bleh!

Dude,, why dont you make something????

1.. Why do all you do is talk? "Someone stick a sock in this guy's mouth."
2.  Why do you correct outlaws spelling, your spelling is not "perfect."
3.  Why do you Criticize others work, "we do not get the chance to see your work." We've posted thousands you've only posted 1 or 2 photos, and old ones.
4.  Why do you give Overunity.com a Bad Name? Hartman doesn't mind?
5.  Why do you give a Gay, um, Bisexual Vibe? Why do we get these feelings from your post?
6.  Why do you not give up this technology, you suck at it.
7.  Why do you keep going when you have zero friends? its obvious no one likes you.
8.  Why do you act like you was beaten as a child? you show abusement and chemical imbalances.
9.  Why do you keep comming back to this post? Are you jerking of to outlaw because he's a real man that put you in his place? Oh, "outlaw" LOL
10. Why do you appear to be such a pain in someone elses ass?
11. Why do  downside people?
12. Why do you make such big post,,, "you don't think we actually have time to read it do you?" some of use have normal lifes and our time is limited.
13. Why do you appear to have all the time in the world at home doing nothing but crashing post?
14. Why do i get the feeling you will try to answer each of these questions in order from 1 to 15?
15. Why do you get out of bed in the mornings, just roll back over and stick your nose in your girly mans crack. Get a facial!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on February 28, 2009, 05:23:17 PM
its funny the answer is staring you in the face but your to dumb to figure it out lol
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on February 28, 2009, 05:33:50 PM
Told you Outlaw, the competitions already hotting up.

Quick, say something dumber than Hydrocars, your 'Dumbass of the Year' trophy is at stake here!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on February 28, 2009, 07:44:16 PM
buzz  the cum guzzling  super hero,
yea im really stupid and will never find the truth to using water as a fuel source on demand..  not.. i think you may know buzz but doubt it you just point outthe  obvious ..  dont think your the only smart one out there and put yourself in gods shoes.  you are right the truth is scattered throughout the wfc tech brief which makes it really confusing..  the answer is staring people right in the face word for word.. in certain areas of the tech brief.. i have posted the truth on my home energy site.. you know the one where no one likes you.. and people work together.. if i posted it here you would most likely debate about it and come up with 1000 reason why it wont work to deter people.

cheers
outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on February 28, 2009, 08:23:07 PM
Buzz, you do realise don't you, that the Muppet Brigade are now going to think that you are talking to yourself!

A while back now I began doing some, 'from scratch and in depth research and experimentation' on this forum, but I lost interest in discussing my work and results when my thread became contaminated by a prize moron.  This unfortunately is all too common a problem when retards are allowed to roam free unmonitored, and does nothing to inspire anyone of intelligence and value to continue posting.

As you say Buzz, they eventually contaminate all these forums, driving out anyone with a fully functioning brain.

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You are a mother fucker!

See how quickly they resort to profanities as their limited volcabulary quickly runs out. Tut, tut, Hydro, that's no way to speak in the presence of a lady - what would your mother say?

It would be nice if some intelligent, educated folk actually posted from time to time, instead of just looking in. More people like us might have at least some impact in bringing the forum out of the gutter. As it stands, I estimate that  we're out numbered at least 50-1 by the mentally challenged.

The only thing worse than the spelling exhibited by the looney squad is, of course, their science - though there's not much in it.

It's almost pointless posting anything of value around here now as there is no one of any intelligence to read or discuss it - let alone understand it - which is why I guess I find myself simply trying to alert the gullible to the seemingly unending nonsense that is rife.

But I'll get bored of traipsing around in this garbage soon. Let's face it, Hydro and his muppets are only light entertainment for so long, after which the act becomes repetitive and more than a little tiresome.

I must say though, at present I'm quite enjoying seeing the contestants all vie for the crown of 'most intellectually challenged person' on the forum.  And do I sense a bit of rivalry between old Hydro and the Outlaw?

It must mean a lot to them Buzz, because they're all having a bloody good go and making a truly valiant effort to attain this prize. Bless em!

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 28, 2009, 08:33:32 PM
BUZZ OH BUZZ WHERE ARE YOU??? HAVE YOU FORGOT ABOUT MY DEPENDTARD QUESTION?

WHAT IS THE INDUCTIANCE OF STANLEY MEYERS BIFILAR INDUCTOR?

i can't believe your talking to yourself.


this is worse than i thought.....

MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 28, 2009, 09:08:30 PM
answer the question buzz.....im just a simple depentard.

what is the induction of stanley meyers resonant charging choke?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 28, 2009, 09:37:30 PM
In order to answer the question, I would have to teach you something about the transformer and I am not going to do that.

You think you are asking a trick question and your answer will be that a bifilar coil does not induct.

Sorry idiot, you have no idea of how profoundly stupid you are.

hahaha wait.....HAHAHAHAH....wowowowowow....you are a complete idiot!!!!!

yes!!!!! hahahahahahaha..

THANK YOU BUZZ AND FARRAH DAY

I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU PROVE IT CONSISTANTLY OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

it is so simple to do the math to figure it out....and you just proved your thick skull-ed ways.


NOT A TRICK QUESTION SIMPLE DIVISION AND MULTIPLICATION.......

FOOL

let everyone that knows the answer from ionization on our one topic about the vic coil (reply #134) and how it is layed out step by step until the answer is shown.


everyone see this idiot here and now...HE IS AFRAID TO ANSWER!.....WHY ARE YOU AFRAID IS IT BECUASE I CAN PROVE YOU WRONG?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 28, 2009, 10:12:12 PM
you were so quick to respond before.....what is taking so long?

« Reply #446 on: Today at 08:08:30 PM »
« Reply #447 on: Today at 08:26:31 PM »

i hope your looking through every damn piece of paper meyers has written.....to find the inductance......

maybe you might learn something.....

come on lil buzzy.....induction....come on.....you can do it....
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on February 28, 2009, 10:42:54 PM
I must say Buzz, it's nice to converse with someone that can not only read and write, but who can also actually think.  I'll take a good look at your posts when I get a chance and come back to you.

The problem we have here is that it's like two adults trying to talk over the constant, mindless bickerings of disruptive and retarded infants.

Gonna need to create a few more 'Stupid Is As Stupid Does' trophies as I don't think there will be enough to go around. Perhaps we should award runner up prizes as well - wouldn't want anyone to feel left out!

It beggars belief doesn't it? I see Kinesis is another prime contender. From his last post, what do you think... mental age of about 7 years... or am I being too generous?

The really scary thing here is that I get the impression that they actually don't realise just how stupid they themselves are - surely they can't seriously see themselves as intelligent lifeforms. They would appear to be existing in some parallel universe, outside the bounds of science and intelligence as we know it, where brainless stupidity is something to be revered. I wonder if they've always been like this, whether they actually practice being stupid... or perhaps it's something infectious they caught from Hydro - we'd better be careful!

Tell you what Buzz, we could make a fortune around here selling strait-jackets and dunce caps!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 28, 2009, 10:46:25 PM

One other thing, I am not going to help you despite the many recent attempts to get me to go to ionizationx and post. I keep all my messages and there are probably three requests for me to post there and help you idiots out. It isn't going to happen.

You come to this site, make false claims, insult people many times smarter than you, try to sell your wire and scout for talent.


hahha so wait??? i am selling wire??? NO.....

second off we would NEVER want YOU over at ionizationx.....so don't make yourself seem like you are something wanted....BECUASE INCASE YOU HAVEN'T REALIZED NO ONE WANTS YOU HERE OR ANYWHERE FOR THAT.


so don't try to play that game......PLEASE SHOW ME THE QUOTE WERE I SAY PLEASE BUZZ JOIN IONIZATIONX WE NEED YOU!.....

AND FROM YOUR RESPONSE TO NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTION

YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE!

FAIL.

for someone who says they have replicated figure 6-1 they can't even give the inductance for it nor actually show the real figure 6-1 you made up your own damn coil with some horrific core.......hahahahahahahah

I HOPE YOUR ENTIRE FAN CLUB (chet)...EVEN SEES HOW FAKE YOU ARE.....what would be a clincher is if chet was either a kid with down syndrome or just another one of your personalities.

YOU HAVE FAILED TO ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION.....PROVING YOU HAVE NOT READ ANY OF MEYERS PAPERS AND TRULY DO NOT UNDERSTAND MULTIPLICATION AND DIVISION....

i am not asking you to explain a theory or concept.....I AM ASKING FOR ONE EXACT PRECISE DETAIL....A NUMBER....I AM NOT ASKING YOU TO TELL ME THE MEANING OF LIFE.

if you cannot give me A NUMBER in henries then you have lost.

BUZZ/FARRAHDAY IT SEEMS IT'S GAME OVER FOR YOU.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on February 28, 2009, 11:53:31 PM
So you want a number.

Er let's see... number 5 - your mental age, number 8 - your IQ... any of them any good?

If you want a bigger number try your number of spelling mistakes... or grammatical errors... now there's a nice BIG number.

And yes, it is game over, I've had more than enough entertainment for one day.

I suggest you get some rest now too so you'll be bright and witty tomorrow.  Night, night.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on February 28, 2009, 11:57:26 PM
WAIT WAIT WAIT DID YOU FORGET TO POST UNDER THEBUZZ????....HAHA SLIP UP.

WHAT A WAY TO ADMIT TO DEFEAT BY ACCIDENTALLY EVEN POSTING UNDER THE WRONG NAME!!!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 01, 2009, 12:04:36 AM
It was a dependtard and how they got be that way in great detail.

dependtard and HOW THEY GOT BE THAT WAY.


tell me the inductance buzz....now that farrahday.... pffft.....has declined.....so will the other half of the buzz answer?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 01, 2009, 12:19:24 AM
wow that's weird.....your both in the same time frame.....hmmm....the minutes are off becuase of my speed in pulling up both their profiles.

I suggest you get some rest now too so you'll be bright and witty tomorrow.  Night, night.

haha and your bedtime is 11pm.....HAHA AWWW lil buzzbuzz or should i say lil farrahday.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 01, 2009, 02:15:57 AM
answer the questions BUZZ.

what is the inductance of the resonant charging choke?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 01, 2009, 02:27:09 AM
Piss off retard. Who the fuck do you think you are? Seek therapy loser.

perfect what a way to show "how much you really know"

AS IF YOU COULDN'T SHOW YOUR INTELLIGENCE ANY CLEARER.

I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU COULDN'T ANSWER THAT SIMPLE QUESTION.

here you have 2 acounts, only put people down, suck-up to stefan for moderator status, act as if you are the most intelligent person on these forums, YET CAN'T ANSWER SUCH A SIMPLE QUESTION......seriously this question is childs play......

and you can't seriously even answer it?

wow.

you are the one who truly needs to seek therapy.

and that is not a sarcastic remark.....i am very serious.

YOU ACTUALLY DO HAVE A PROBLEM.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 01, 2009, 02:42:25 AM
why do you double post.....are you just an automated idiot?

inductance buzzzzz.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 01, 2009, 03:26:32 AM
HARKEN

DOTH SOMEONE ASK A QUESTION???


WHAT IS THE INDUCTANCE?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 01, 2009, 03:29:46 AM
HARKEN

DOTH SOMEONE ASK A QUESTION???


WHAT IS THE INDUCTANCE?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 01, 2009, 03:43:11 AM
wtf?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 01, 2009, 03:44:04 AM
I am not helping him. In order to answer that question I would have to educate him. Instead, I am going just sit here and laugh while I work and drown him in his own pool of stupid.

i am fully educated....actually more then you are since you have no college background.....

ONCE AGAIN IF I AM SO LOST THEN ANSWER MY QUESTION AND WE WILL PROVE WHO IS LOST ONCE AND FOR ALL.

WHAT IS THE INDUCTANCE OF MEYERS RESONANT CHARGING CHOKE.

you tell me your answer i will SHOW YOU MINE AND PROVE IT.


ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE EVADING ME BECUASE YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE NO IDEA AND THAT I WILL

I WILL
I WILL

PROVE IT

AND THIS WOULD SHUT YOUR FALSE INTELLIGENCE UP.

are you afraid to be put in your place scaredtard?

i told you to get off your webcam.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 01, 2009, 03:48:03 AM
HARKEN

DOTH SOMEONE ASK A QUESTION???


WHAT IS THE INDUCTANCE?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: flyag1 on March 01, 2009, 04:12:14 AM
I would say you all have pretty much killed this thread :<(
I think I will go watch some re-runs on CNN and FOX...LOL
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 01, 2009, 04:18:27 AM
HEY
 F AG this is the thread go watch your TV
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 01, 2009, 04:26:12 AM
Not exactly rocket surgeon. Notice that this moron is too stupid to spell the words resonant and capacitor? Thanks for the lecture Dr. Einstein.


Since shit brains isn't much help,, i'll share a bit....

Resonance; Secondary winding TX2 charges upper choke TX4 threw Switching Diode, resonant cavity (8) also similar to tesla's "oil filled condensor" since their function is exactly the same, threw tuning "resonate charging choke" TX5 intersecting "Isolated Electrical Ground" back to TX2.

Since TX4's Main Function is to act as a "Capacitor" it can be replaced with a capacitor to gain a resonate action since TX4 "Is Not" a "Resonant Charging Choke! Upon charge of TX4 during the Polarity Change of TX2 switching diode is conductive and does switch on again during the pulse off time creating another pulse that will send electrons this time a negative charge comming from the choke headed threw the diode and back to TX2 "where a positive pulse just terminated." This results in the TX4 capacitive charge being added to TX2's available charge hence, "more than doubling the voltage imput, not beyond X's 2 of what TX2 is capable of producing. Condensation will happen threw Resonate Cavity (8) since the cavity is a well know condenser, and it will seek its way threw the "oscillating" - "tuned" Chokes to " re magnetize " Both TX2 and TX1 causing a Current Drop at TX1's Imput since the "Circuit" is in resonance. Where there is no such thing as "Resonate Freq of Water, But Resonance of the circuit."

TX5 Is a Resonate Charging Choke, and its freq is "Doubled", 2 X's Higher than the rated freq of TX2'S CORE. Meaning TX5 can not be located on TX2's core and function properly. TX5 must have its "OWN" core and it must be selected according to TX2. Since TX5 is a frequency doubler Between TX5 and TX2 there is an Isolated Ground, Hence Electron flow does flow from the surrounded environment! Where there is "No action" meaning where pulses is not present TX5 will send an High voltage electric field where electrons will flow threw the resonate charging choke to the negative lead of the fuel cell, This rules out the choke being located on the positive terminal because givin its isolation ground location electrons can not flow properly to the fuel cell on the positive terminal in the same manner because of the way the "Resonant charging choke" Series up with the fuel cell using the earth as a negative voltage zone where the end of the choke connected to the isolated ground is a positive voltage zone. When the switching diode sends a positive pulse threw the diode the resonate charging choke is ready!

When the resonate charging choke is operating Damaging RF waves will come from TX1, Grounding TX1 will prevent the RF Waves from doing harm, or you can shield the circuit in a box to hold the waves in like in a microwave oven. A load device can be applied between TX1 and ground to extract electrons from somewhere other than the battery being used to operate the circuit.

Resonace Of the circuit and resonance of the "Resonate Charging Choke" is "TWO" different circuits in "one package."

TX4 and TX2 will be in resonance together when a resonance of the circuit occurs. However TX5 does not HELP or PREVENT TX2 from resonating with TX4 Threw the "Condenser." There can be "Brief" moments when TX5 can send Spikes within the TX2 TX4 resonating circuit.

But as stan states in US patent http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/4936961.htm The overall circuit is characterized as a "resonant charging choke" circuit which is an inductor in series with a capacitor that produces a resonant circuit.

So, here when you read that you can clearly see a capacitor as TX4 OR (8), So thats a very clever sentence.

Another; The increasing voltage potential is always positive in direct relationship to negative ground potential during each pulse.
Thats where a positive potential Meets with the isolated ground, since the resonant charging choke reverses polarity when no pulse is present, there isn't any moment where a positive pulse isn't applied to the fuel cell.

The circuit is indeed 2 resonant circuits in one package. Pick that to death buzwick.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 01, 2009, 04:58:41 AM
Thanks man,, i through you a cookie for that one hehe.  ;D
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 01, 2009, 05:01:31 AM
answer the questions buzz.....WHAT IS THE INDUCTANCE OF MEYERS RESONANT CAHRGING CHOKE.

i smell your fear.....

please take on my challenge if you are so intelligent.

try and prove me wrong.

BECUASE I WILL WIN.

ANSWER MY QUESTION AND STOP YOUR TWISTING.

WHAT IS THE INDUCTANCE.

i think this is the 8th or 9th time i have asked this.....and consistantly you have ran away.

I WILL STAND MY GROUND.

ANSWER MY QUESTION OR ARE YOU TOO AFRAID?

scaredtard.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 01, 2009, 05:14:06 AM
HARKEN SCARETARD

DOTH SOMEONE ASK A QUESTION???


WHAT IS THE INDUCTANCE?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 01, 2009, 07:45:37 AM
I remember when I bought my fist scope, it was a Heathkit back in about 1976 roughly 30 years ago.


You mean first scope and not fist scope? Perhaps i've gotten behind and there's new fist scopes out?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 01, 2009, 07:50:28 AM

Which version of Meyer's VIC are you referring to or are to just too stupid to realize that their were many?


referring to or are to just too stupid?

Wtf does this mean? Can it be that this is the new internet slang for pimping a sentence?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 01, 2009, 09:09:49 AM

Really? What does the work is the energy that is measured in power and that is calculated by volts times amps.


i love how you take the literal meaning of "work" then why is it that if you take 40watts and put it into a cell you can get crap out of it......but then apply 40 watts and get 5 gallons of water converted into energy in 1 hour?.....what is doing the work here?...the stepup transformer and bifilar inductor are what make this WORK.....without it it will not WORK.

SO ONCE AGAIN TELL ME THE INDUCTANCE OF THE RESONANT CHARGING CHOKE.....

I'LL GIVE YOU A HINT IT'S A NUMBER.

will you evade the question for an 11th time......

resonant charging choke.

what is it's inductance.

i am pretty sure i can't make myself any clearer then that.


honestly if we reach the 20th time i ask this and you still haven't answered......i will make sure this becomes history.

instead of always eluding me and correcting everyones grammar why don't you take all that wasted USELESS time and actually read enough of the tech brief to tell me the answer.

I WILL GIVE YOU AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF TIME TO ANSWER THIS......JUST STOP ELUDING IT AND ANSWER IT.

HONESTLY IF YOU DON'T KNOW IT

JUST SAY YOU DO NOT KNOW.

stop the acting.

you have already proved yourself a fake.

i would love to meet you in person.

you're probably the biggest loser.

SCARED MUCH SCAREDTARD?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: fritz on March 01, 2009, 09:42:20 AM
what is doing the work here?...the stepup transformer and bifilar inductor are what make this WORK.....without it it will not WORK.

What makes a car "work" ?
The engine, the explosion ?
Can drive a car with a spring or battery - no explosion needed.

The stepup transformer and whatever you use is a vehicle to generate certain dielectrical stress in a water-capacitor.
This stress is best/most efficient  in a resonating situation - where only the energy losses of that oscillation have to be compensated to keep it resonating. The HHO is for free.

Maybe some people tell you that you need the miracle wire to do the miracle - or you need the miracle core for that miracle.
Even if the most ee people cannot calculate, build or explain the vic - this doesn´t mean that it operates outside traditional ee.
Only experience and "hands-on" can give you the knowledge to optimize such design.
Well, there are lots of electrical simulation programs - but I don´t know a single one which is capable to simulate such chokes.
BTW: Writing such program would be interesting thing.

In another exciting thread - they are switching a coil and a cap - and by miracle - they got higher voltage. wow.
maybe we should change the domain name of this site in "www.miracleOU.com".

If the car refuses to move - put miracle tires on ;-)))))
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: fritz on March 01, 2009, 10:35:37 AM
Right now I do various measurements on my water-caps.
The simplest parameter is the internal resistance as a product of DC electrolysis and the envolved space/surface.
For my 10 cm size tube cell - this is about 20 Ohms, for the 30cm cell - its about 8 Ohms - and for a special cell 30cm long with 3 electrodes (double surface/space) its about 4 Ohms.
This resistance is what you got on the passivation cycles with DC.
If I apply DC pulses 10us / 1kV / rectangular - the cell seems to operate as a resistive load with exact the same resistance evaluated from not pulsed operation.
Comming back to the "miracle" question - I want to investigate further how that step charging is possible.
Is it caused by the pulsetrain itself (right now I only used single pulse) - or by the steep transients involved.
So I will do a test and record the current drawn during a pulsetrain.
Anyway - by some means I need this internal resistance to go up significant to achieve step charging.
A parallel LC circuit will have high impedance at resonance - transforming an applied pulse (if suitable) to increase the energy captured in the oscillation.

Another quite interesting test was to hook up the cell to an audio analyzer in kind of impedance-measurment fashion.
(measuring voltage vs. current phase) with small sinusodial AC signal form 20Hz - 20kHz.
The response was  as flat as can be - with no significant sign of a typical capacitive/inductive behaviour - using 22 Ohms and 100 Ohms current sensing resistor.
The interesting point was that I found a clear but very flat bell-shaped figure concerning the phase between current and voltage.
Around 12kHz, I have "0" phase - means pure resistive load.
Because of the flatness - I think that this might be an issue of the water itself.
Somebody to comment that ?


rgds.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: fritz on March 01, 2009, 11:08:42 AM
Another issue is the mechanical oscillation of the tubes.
If you look at the meyer setups - you have the outer tubes precisely mounted at the oscillation knots.
This is around 20% and 80% of the entire length. (slightly less than a quarter)
On the point of maximum field-strength (maximum voltage) there is the maximum force between inner tube
and outer tube - which causes a very tiny but relevant deformation of the tubes.
If you keep in mind that this influences the capacity of the cell - you have another charge-pump effect which
can be involved by certain degree.
If you decrease the capacity of a charged cap (in our case this is the relaxation after voltage peak) - the voltage
goes further up (because the charge stays the same).
This can have a kind of negative feedback property.
I don´t know so far what impact this issue has on the operation of the cell - maybe its just an intuitive design approach of no actual outcome - but in combination with some comments (outer tube should be of the seamless type) this could be the hint to some non-documented design issue.
We built our cells with similar mounting - optimized for maximum acoustic resonance - which is around 800Hz for the 30cm type.
Measurements of the oscillation in water shows that this is almost identical with the mechanical resonance if operated in water.
Any comments on that ?

rgds.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 01, 2009, 12:04:05 PM
ok im tired of hearing dumb shit on this thread about who knows what and im smarter then you. all coming from the infamous buzz you are all depentards and so on the buzz trys to act like he knows what hes talking about but the truth is he has OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder) so bad he cant stop focusing on miss spelled words that buzz/farrahday (depending on the personality of the day) act like there on the same page because they kinda are.. in a mental disorder reality.. buzz needs feed back from other self to make his self think he is on the right page.. but all in all he is just someone that needs some  to level his chemical imbalance level out a lil bit.
..
 im not depentard like the buzz infers me as.. i have a very high iq according to the iq test i have taken... the buzz has shown no information of importance on this thread what so ever.. he has made a transformer claiming its a replication of vic 6-1 but has no similarity what so ever and looks like it was made to be a paper weight (worthless). yeah it may produce low amps on secondary side but the buzz is a retard and doesnt know anything about the basic idea of how electric works.so he fuels on making the smart mad so they wil get frusterated and tell him.. he has sold a airplane in order to fund his experiments but has nothin to show for it but a non identical vic that has been made in a simple manner to rule it out that it will not work.. (common response for buzzes brain for interaction of daily life) just like he does any new idea that approaches him...
i have a feeling the buzz has had everything he ever wanted in his life and his momma has told him he is perfect.. maiking him a mommas boy and ignorant to new ideas at the same time because hes perfect and knows all.

but heres the facts people. buzz either knows and fuels off people that dont know by making them feel worthless or the buzz is evil in ways by instigating situation by claiming false data so we can get more into detail so he can understand.. but all in all he makes us true/ real experimenter look dumb to anyone who dares to interact with this tech. on this thread..
the people responding to buzz are from another research organization which the buzz cannot participate in..why? probly because no one there likes him. this organization communicates very well between one another.. no debates just open minds speaking freely (the quality  that the buzz doesnt have..)
if the buzz knew how this stuff works do you think he would spend every day on here debating about it?... the buzz is a lonely man that needs some tlc with his heart.. he mentions missy several times in his writings and how she feels she fond of hydro.. i dont know who she is but the buzz seems fond of her.,.

 the fact is i know how stan did it and it is simple and complicated  at the same time.....   simple in how it works but complicated in the description of how it works....

this quote holds the truth to how it works.. if you read it and dont see the truth read it again,,, if you still dont then question it from diffent views.. try to totally understand this quote. if you do then you will to hold the truth to the water fuel cell technology stan meyers has created.

you should be good at this buzz. your a genius right?

page8-1
"In each and all "Space State" of changes,
the combustible gas atoms of water is/are "Electrically Stress" under "different" pressure levels to bring-on
the triggering point of thermally igniting the combustible gases of water beyond or away from "Stable State"
of Equilibrium. Voltage Tickling of State Space under "Resonant Electrical Stress" without amp influxing
while "Tuning-ln" to the dielectric properties of water is herein referred to in this WFC Tech-manual as
"Resonant Action."

the truth is here and i know it..
the buzz is a depressed failure that has not achieved anything but a non realistic vic  that he shows as if its a serious experimenter proving vic doesnt work.. his is  nothin but copper wire  that looks radically wound. forming a ignorant persons vic that a ignorant person can only conceive from a 2d perspective not having a creative mind nor open mind... the quote above really does hold the truth.. yet again i say it i know.. yes buzz i  know how it works... and no im not bullshiting. i know.. you can say i dont all you want but i do.. and i will share in a personal message for anyone but the buzz. i am a realistic genuis that can build things in my head in 3d perspective at a rather fast rate.. i may not type the best nor do i pay 100 percent attention to my typing... read the quote buzz. if your smart you would know the truth as well..


outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on March 01, 2009, 12:53:17 PM
Blimey, I've missed all the fun overnight!

Outlaw have you never heard of commas, full stops or capital letters?  Using punctuation would at least make your pathetic jabberings more decipherable.

im not depentard like the buzz infers me as.. i have a very high iq according to the iq test i have taken...

Just a bit disappointed that there isn't a smiley that falls down with tears of laughter running down it's face, because you deserve it for that one - perhaps the moderator can have one made up especially for you.

Curious; it wasn't by any chance Hydro that gave you an IQ test before allowing you to join IONIZATIONX was it?  I'm sure he must use some method of filtering out intellectuals from his website.

Why aren't you all over there at IONIZATIONX, where you can all be as stupid as you like for as long as you like, without making a nuisance of yourself on grown up forums? We really need to gather you all up over there and deploy pest exterminator.

Sorry Fritz, if your expecting an intelligent response you're in the wrong place. I suggest you start a new thread of your own, I'm certainly not going to bother discussing anything of value in this kiddies playground.

Buzz, I've now come to the conclusion that at best we're conversing with spotty teenagers that never had schooling, or little kids who have gained access to their playgroup PC. They surely can't be adults - over here we would have adults this bonkers sectioned!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: stevie1001 on March 01, 2009, 01:15:30 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on March 01, 2009, 02:13:10 PM
Ok Stevie

I know it's not right and I must admit to having had a little fun around here lately at the expense of the illiterates, but this is only because it is not possible to have an intellegent discussion - and let's face it they are easy game! Furthermore, there hasn't been anything much good on the telly.

However, if we were all suddenly to become civil to each other, this would not do anything to prevent the absurd science and utter stupidity that plagues these threads.

It doesn't take a genius to realise that Hydrocars is incapable of producing anything to forward this research - on page one he was getting all upset because he claimed to have discovered ionisation but was not getting any credit for it!

I mean c'mon, when you've got someone stating that, electricity is an atom, called of all things the lithium atom, then you've got to expect at least some intelligent people to stand up and rebel.  Quite frankly it would be irresponsible not to highlight such absolute nonsense.

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=469

The problem on a whole is that this forum - like most others - simply tolerates too much of this complete and utter bullshit. These forums will only ever be of any real value if they are policed by someone with half a brain that will actively remove the obvious idiots.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: fritz on March 01, 2009, 02:47:48 PM
As long as we dont change the domainname to "www.imnotstupid.com" - I want to clarify that intellect is pointless without the ability to communicate.
Reading the postings - I somehow have the deja´vu of drunken morons having and endless discussion which repeats every 360 seconds.
Otherwise it looks that some people enjoy what is happening here - thats why it never ends.
If you guys were real inventors and experimenters - you wouldn´t waste that amount of time for such nonsense.
At the end its all about vanity, repute and honour.

I would even admire a person with a negative IQ - if that "exposure" brings me one step ahead.

- copied my last posts to my original thread -

let´s see if there is some interesting comment.


Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: stevie1001 on March 01, 2009, 04:08:08 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: infringer on March 01, 2009, 04:25:22 PM
So it is possible that you are simply steeling from power lines?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: fritz on March 01, 2009, 04:41:32 PM
Ps.

To add something positive to this forum: try to build the Joule Thief. Very nice, very easy to build and interesting circuit, which really works. I had from a 1.5v battery 12v acros my single tube cell and just 0.045amp. Just google for it. Tubecell was in serie with the diode. 50khz in resonance.

BTW:
I invented some very special dish consisting of sauerkraut and knoedel which gives you the power to walk 20 miles more every day in comparison to conventional dishes.
Very nice, very easy to cook and interesting dish, which really works. I walked 50 miles in 5 hours without loosing a pound. Just google for it. Knoedels were filled and surrounded by sauerkraut. 50Khz in resonance.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on March 01, 2009, 04:51:45 PM
Fritz, look at you - I do believe your getting into the spirit of things now.  :)

See how this thread has a way of bringing out the humour in us! It's just impossible to take things too seriously around here isn't it?

Anyone know what Infringer is going on about?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: stevie1001 on March 01, 2009, 04:53:09 PM
 :P
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Electrojolt on March 01, 2009, 05:03:36 PM
Ha Ha Ha Ha... this Post is so amuzing!!! who needs Soap Operas

Too bad it is such a waste of of Zeros and Ones.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: fritz on March 01, 2009, 05:27:28 PM
Some just stay assholes, because of lack of braincells.

Sorry.
Some day I found the universal truth that if you can´t laugh about what you do - you lost the professional approach.

Come on, see it from my view:

I did some serious research - and wanted to discuss that -> (thats what this forums are theoretical for ?)

You guys told me  to do it somewhere else - because you have your kindergarden here and enjoy that.
Bah, Bah my Iq is higher than yours or whatevers on the list today.
Im disappointed - and you write _ME_ (!!) that I should move to _YOUR_ platform - because its a more serious stuff.

Finally you give everybody the advice to build something completly different. (Maybe you think we - or I need some kind of satisfaction) (!!!!!)

This means you contribute almost nothing - just offer me to go to your site - and set the direction back to joule thief for everyone.
Pls. read my posting about communication some lines above and try to understand it.

Maybe you need braincells for that - but I think you can get it.

PS: No problem, will keep my secret on the magic Knoedels. Bah, Bah, too late. Now I keep it for myself.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: stevie1001 on March 01, 2009, 05:41:46 PM
Sorry.
Some day I found the universal truth that if you can´t laugh about what you do - you lost the professional approach.

Come on, see it from my view:

I did some serious research - and wanted to discuss that -> (thats what this forums are theoretical for ?)

You guys told me  to do it somewhere else - because you have your kindergarden here and enjoy that.
Bah, Bah my Iq is higher than yours or whatevers on the list today.
Im disappointed - and you write _ME_ (!!) that I should move to _YOUR_ platform - because its a more serious stuff.

Finally you give everybody the advice to build something completly different. (Maybe you think we - or I need some kind of satisfaction) (!!!!!)

This means you contribute almost nothing - just offer me to go to your site - and set the direction back to joule thief for everyone.
Pls. read my posting about communication some lines above and try to understand it.

Maybe you need braincells for that - but I think you can get it.

PS: No problem, will keep my secret on the magic Knoedels. Bah, Bah, too late. Now I keep it for myself.

Oh man. I drop into a depression now.... No Knoedels from fritsy....

He, Farady, you are right. Its a relieve!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on March 01, 2009, 05:44:47 PM
I did some serious research - and wanted to discuss that -> (thats what this forums are theoretical for ?)

Joking aside, I know the feeling Fritz - been there, done it... got the T-shirt!

You seem like an intelligent human being Fritz, don't let them hold that against you.

Like me it's probably inevitable that you will become tired and frustrated as your tolerance for idiots quickly diminishes, but keep up the good work... and don't let them get under your skin!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Dave45 on March 01, 2009, 05:53:26 PM
A teacher was doing a study testing the senses (taste)
of  first graders using a bowl of   lifesavers.               

The children began to identify the flavors by their color:


Red.......................Cherry
Yellow..................Lemon
Green...................Lime
Orange................ Orange



Finally the teacher gave them all HONEY lifesavers. After eating them, none of the children could identify the taste.


'Well,' she said, 'I will give you all a clue. It's what your mother may sometimes call your father.'


One little girl looked up in horror, spit her lifesaver out and yelled, 'Oh my God!! They're ass-holes!'

Kinda reminds me of this thread.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 01, 2009, 06:01:48 PM
Dave

Very good!!

 Chet

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: fritz on March 01, 2009, 06:15:36 PM
Yes, indeed, no Knoedels from Fritsy, thats life.

Relieve... well -
No problem until you _HAVE_ something to relieve.

Has Dankie finally sold all his wire?
Its so calm....

After I accused him to write sh*t  without reading a single mail - he wrote me a PM that he is so sorry about that - and confessed that he had not read a single mail up to that point. He only wants to sell his wire. And want me to join another platform.
Well, altruism is a pain.

Ohh, I forgot to mention that the IQ of all people here (excluding mine) is somewhere below minus infinity. This means that even the most intelligent person of the entire world would be sucked into an black hole of stupidity on entering this forum.

Finally - I want to invite everyone to go to some other platform - because I want to have more fun with my multiple personality disorder - and I prefer to enjoy that alone.
 ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 01, 2009, 06:19:26 PM
Fritz

Also very good!!

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on March 01, 2009, 06:26:21 PM
Blimey Fritz... you'll make yourself ill - I told you not to let them get under your skin!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: fritz on March 01, 2009, 06:31:14 PM
Yes, indeed, no Knoedels from Fritsy, thats life.

Relieve... well -
No problem until you _HAVE_ something to relieve.

Has Dankie finally sold all his wire?
Its so calm....

After I accused him to write sh*t  without reading a single mail - he wrote me a PM that he is so sorry about that - and confessed that he had not read a single mail up to that point. He only wants to sell his wire. And want me to join another platform.
Well, altruism is a pain.

Ohh, I forgot to mention that the IQ of all people here (excluding mine) is somewhere below minus infinity. This means that even the most intelligent person of the entire world would be sucked into an black hole of stupidity on entering this forum.

Finally - I want to invite everyone to go to some other platform - because I want to have more fun with my multiple personality disorder - and I prefer to enjoy that alone.
 ;D ;D ;D


I really have to work on that - not satisfied.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 01, 2009, 07:27:04 PM
You like MAGIC

THE WORLD [especially now] waits for no one!!

800 WATTS 34000.00 BTU

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:_Sovereign_Energy_Solutions:_The_Green_Home_Heater

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 01, 2009, 08:09:54 PM
#2

LOOKS LIKE A VACUUM PUMP

Chet

Not trying to be funny

looks like the back of an old vacuum pump
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 01, 2009, 09:38:34 PM
lol yea i was hammered when i wrote that last  post lol. Just got back from partying all night and getting some. since you cant read between the lines buzz im just gonna go ahead and let it out so the non sense can stop...

"In each and all "Space State" of changes,
the combustible gas atoms of water is/are "Electrically Stress" under "different" pressure levels to bring-on
the triggering point of thermally igniting the combustible gases of water beyond or away from "Stable State"
of Equilibrium. Voltage Tickling of State Space under "Resonant Electrical Stress" without amp influxing
while "Tuning-ln" to the dielectric properties of water is herein referred to in this WFC Tech-manual as
"Resonant Action."

"resonant electrical stress"
what does stan mean by this?
you need to reallize somthing  stan figured out how to effect the water molecule in two ways.. static voltage and dynamic voltage...
static is the build up of both equal charges while dynamic voltage is being performed in a oscillating manner...

now ask yourself if you had knowledge of two different forces that effect water.. why would you stick with just one (static)
dynamic voltage is whats used for the steam resonator... steam is water expanding so wouldnt that help for removing electrons.(higher energy state)
when people asked stan about what happens to all the stuff in the water(contaminates) he said it has to be cleaned out but that the tubes will never clog due to there pumping action. ...
the alternator was stans perfect power gen for what he was doing,,
the tree phases of a alternator  is the key not for 6-1 though .. 6-1 will take a square wave and make it a sine.
the alternator  allows for 3 peak potential to occur one after another.. they are 120 out of phase from each other..
by allowing 2 phases to be used for cross over unipolar pulse (dynamics) and one for the even peak potential  (static)
you have now created a voltage wave guide. oscillating  the water particle and appling high potential at the same time.. so now that the dumb one has told everyone how it works..
the alternator is also a variable frequency generator since it has the variable of rpm's.. the more rpms amplitude will rise and the pulses will get skinnier and tighter together. when they get skinny and tight thats more cycles happening in a certain amount of time.
the power input to the alternator is 0-12v with a gated pulse..


there ya go buzz light year i ruined your evil fun.. the cat is out of the bag by the depaentard
people understand this for it is the key to ou

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmrCpM5Gqu0

outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 01, 2009, 09:46:31 PM
Sucking sound... Not even close.

honestly......you pointed out a motor (#2) and an alternator and a variac in the background (#1)...what a complete waste of time......that setup in that exact picture was just a fancy electrolysis......neworlenes at the waterfuelcell forum has replicated this already.....notice the gunk that built up in that cell......that is a horrible photo to bring up....has absolutely no relation to his VIC or water injectors......do not change the subject.

but more importantly........

for the 12th time.

answer.

the

question.

you can choose whatever username you want to use either farrahday or thebuzz.....in a sense you get two tries to get it right.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 01, 2009, 09:52:14 PM
Outlaw

your youtube is gone

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 01, 2009, 09:57:19 PM
Outlaw

your youtube is gone

Chet

still here for me
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 01, 2009, 10:28:22 PM
its still there.. this is whats happening..

and since buzz the english teach cant understand stans quote what are we non intellects to do?
we are left hopeless without u buzz killer.
when life seems hopeless,  make a nigga loose focus, empty beer bottles and roaches.
you know how it goes.. the buzz is a mirage of hopeless entity.
the buzz has not enlightened anyone with any good information.. he has been a wall on this thread trying to shoot down any points of view from others.. he should of named him self the bug.. because he surley isnt a buzz.. more of a buzz killer..

buzz posts a pic of stans system and asks us depentards whats in the mystery box and the electric motor... if he knew then hes a a-hole for holding knowlege to him self..i guess he might be the type to nut his pants by making himself think hes special.

the most important quote is "Resonant Electrical Stress" he doesnt single out and say its static or dynamic.. which most likely means both..


outlawstc ;D
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 01, 2009, 10:29:25 PM
Dankie

So you saved it?

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 01, 2009, 11:00:02 PM
<a href="http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/?action=view&current=staticanddynamicpulsesequence.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/staticanddynamicpulsesequence.jpg" border="0" alt="resonant action"></a>
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on March 01, 2009, 11:22:59 PM
Are you pissed again Outlaw ole buddy?

You've gotta stay off the pop, it's doing nothing for your posting skills and very little for your street cred!  :-*
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 02, 2009, 12:47:10 AM
since you fear my question.

and have to ignore me to run away.

then WHY DON'T YOU MAKE A VIDEO.

you don't have to show any of your ignorant secrets....you can even keep everything under a cloth.

all you have to do it show your gas production and the voltmeters connected to your cell to measure the amperage and voltage.....

HOW ABOUT THAT.

OR YOU CAN ANSWER MY QUESTION AND STOP AVOIDING IT FOR THE 13TH TIME.

WHAT
IS
THE
INDUCTANCE
OF
THE
RESONANT
CHARGING
CHOKE
?

if you could at any point answer this IT WOULD ACTUALLY GIVE YOU CREDIBILITY.......

and like i have said before you can answer once as farrahday and again as thebuzz.....whatever floats your boat queer.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 02, 2009, 01:04:49 AM
number 14

answer scaredtard.

oh look it's thebuzz.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on March 02, 2009, 01:13:26 AM
kinesisfilms,

Where did you get that picture of the buzz?
He looks exactly the same in personality.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 02, 2009, 01:16:21 AM
kinesisfilms,

Where did you get that picture of the buzz?
He looks the same in personality.

john have you received my emails inquiring your help?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: fritz on March 02, 2009, 01:16:24 AM
Does somebody remember the DNC ?
? DO_NOTHING_COIL ?

yet another very magic thing.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on March 02, 2009, 01:22:19 AM
john have you received my emails inquiring your help?

Yes, I'm still waiting for the parts, I'll email you later.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 02, 2009, 01:25:13 AM
VERY FUNNY
[really]
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on March 02, 2009, 01:27:47 AM
AM-PM? Just the opposite, thats the point.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 02, 2009, 01:31:37 AM
hahaha that LOSER JUST FAILED SO HARD......AM PM.....yeah HUGE DIFFERENCE....oh but wait this is coming from the guy with the vaccum theory...and the guy who can't calculate the INDUCTANCE OF MEYERS RESONANT CHARGING CHOKE.......

do you want to make yourself look like anymore of an idiot then you do now?

sadly your grammar isn't covering your tracks.

so where did we leave off.....

oh yeah NUMBER 15....scaretard.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 02, 2009, 01:35:34 AM
Justme,, why dont you jump in here to since you are kines, Buzz, Waterboy, Farraday, and justme.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 02, 2009, 01:55:43 AM
lol, you ! My username for msn messenger is hydrocars, i also have skype,,, why dont you look me up so i can give you a spankin,, really!

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 02, 2009, 02:01:38 AM
ship him some pavement sealer huh buzz.
buzz thinks hes slick because he knows what i do for part time work.. he must of found my myspace page and think he can scare me by putting it in the mix..
buzz must i say it once more.. you are a june june little puss goblin..i am the alpha male.
 i come from a town of nothin but shit eating punk ass holes that is a  cross between red neck ville and the hood. so save your fear tactics.. we reside with ak's and ar15 's are citys called f'in soildier city for crying out loud.

heres for your humoring pleasue.. enjoys  ;D



outlawstc

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 02, 2009, 02:06:45 AM
lol, you ! My user name for msn messenger is hydrocars, i also have skype,,, why dont you look me up so i can give you a spankin,, really!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 02, 2009, 02:10:25 AM
this is how we role player. who can shoot the ace of spades @100 yards? (no scope)
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 02, 2009, 02:12:39 AM
I don't now whats better ''the Octagon ''or this thread??

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 02, 2009, 02:22:28 AM
buzz
heres some more red neck crazy talk .. just ask your self how does the primary create a charge in a secondary? maybe a electromagnetic field? so what would the outer copper winding be doing to the inner stainless winding?
buzz i got to say you do bring excitment on the thread.. you make people laugh on a daily bases.. at least me anyways.. the fact that someone could go as deep as they could to find out about someone is amusing.. you know all about the girls before they even know you. dont ya you little stalker...  are you a private investigator on the side to? what does he call his self.. buzz farrahday?
my names buzz.... buzz farraday private investigator dundundun.....
outlawstc
^ is that close enough for you buzz.. i will try to make an effort to help not let your OCD emotions get to you.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 02, 2009, 02:36:01 AM
you pull a pic off the net and try to sound hard core by saying you eat dogs... what im saying is we dont fuck around in these neck of the woods.. just like a month ago some one  had there dog bring up a decapitated head...  imagine that shit..
new century  rules- are your in or your out.. meaning you either a zombie fake ass mofu fucked up from media leading there imitation  life. (there out). or your real and you value other peoples thought and treat them like family...  the imitators are so fake that when real shit happens there not comprehensive..  im ready for them zombies
outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 02, 2009, 02:43:28 AM
I'll pass. I avoid personal contact with crazy stupid people. The Southern US is infested with them huh?

Time for the big die off the zionazis have planned for you.

Why dont you explain how you was put here to mislead and control this technology buzz..

As i can see it,,, one more release and your ass is history for good! Have your zionazis chew on that.




Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 02, 2009, 02:45:58 AM
OUTLAW

OK so you got your peeps

The text you pasted does look  and sound like a fellow recently posting on another forum [but he has a different spiritual out look]

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 02, 2009, 02:47:40 AM
Every time you ask the same stupid question that can't have an answer, you reaffirm your ignorance.

You claimed you replicated Meyer and were the only one. When I called you out you went back and deleted the post and then denied you did it. Then you accused me of what you did. You are a lying ass.


actually NO.....don't go manipulating things....anyone can go back and read clearly every stage of events that have taken place.....AND NO WHERE IN THERE IS THERE A DELETED POST.....NO LOSS OF INFORMATION OF ANY KIND.....I REPLIED BACK TO RAMSET WITH MY REPLY FOR IT WAS AN HONEST QUESTION.........

FIRST OFF I CAUGHT YOU DELETING YOUR POST......I CLEARLY STATE THIS.......THEN YOU DENY IT AND ACCUSED ME.....SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOUR MIND HAS A FAULTY RECOLLECTION OF LINEARITY....OR YOU ARE JUST A SUPERTARD.

so once again number 16.

YOU ARE THE SUPERTARD.


it's funny how about 7 or more people can agree that you are a complete IDIOT AND YOU SHOULD BE BANNED.....when you want to ban the so called "dependtards"....so far it's 7 against 1 and we have more authority then you do......so no matter how much you suck a moderators dick you will no get moderator privelages...unless farrahday account does some smoother talking skills......have a look at yourself my dear boy......I HAVE PROVEN YOU WRONG OVER AND OVER.....you have tried and fail each time.....PM AND AM......HUGGGEEE DIFFERENCE......BUT FROM A SUPERTARDED PERSPECTIVE.....the sun and moon are the same celestial body.

answer my question......scared much...little boy.....apparently you want to mess with some real people.....
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 02, 2009, 03:04:32 AM
Stop the banning talk!!

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 02, 2009, 03:05:33 AM
Hey buzz,,, you want to know where i live my friend???

Here you go,,, http://www.lawrenceburg.net/iron-city-blues.php

Welcome to my woods http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4xGQWWO7-U and the must see http://www.ironcityblues.com/trailer-low.html
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: fritz on March 02, 2009, 03:10:11 AM
Mr. Puharich would like this thread -for sure -  if he´s no already in.
lol.
Ira ! we need another nick !
Maybe he and Meyer met some day on mushrooms - which ended up him canceling the solar project.
so long.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 02, 2009, 03:25:44 AM
here buzz you can contact me here sometimes if i disappear of the thread for a while..

http://www.osceola.org/index.cfm?lsFuses=correctionsReports/BondsOnTheWeb


outlawstc  ;)
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 02, 2009, 04:22:09 AM
banned???? wtf.....your such a fool.....you have no moderator privileges.

on my wail to jail???

NO MY FRIEND ON MY WAY TO 2 DEGREES IN ENGINEERING!

you are such a child lil' buzz!!

#17.....wooooooo this is amazing....

come on smart guy stop avoiding me and do the divsion and multiplication you belligerent fraud.

WHAT IS THE INDUCTANCE OF THE RESONANT CHARGING CHOKE.....

I GOT THE ANSWERS AND THE KNOWLEDGE TO PROVE IT.....

YOUR ONLY ANSWER IS YOUR EVADING TACTICS......

GROW UP.

FOOLISH CHILD.

and outlaw.....your close to my neck of the woods.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 02, 2009, 04:31:35 AM
i never said i was a red neck, i said my town is full of rednecks... dude your vic that you rose a storm about looks NOTHIN LIKE 6-1. you laugh at hydros statements.. i laugh at your creations..AT LEAST HES PRODUCING GAS ABOVE AVERAGE ...lets see your production.. you talk the talk but dont walk the walk.. 6-1 is the latest one STAN made unless he was using a electron particle generator which is another good posibility... you are super ignorant to the fact that what i have drawn is not complicated what so ever but yet actually pretty f'in simple... 1  rewound alternator, 3 multi spool chokes... and  a variable gated voltage of 0-12volts.. pretty much what you can see in the picture you posted.. you know the box sitting right next to the alternator.. whats in the magical mystifying box.. hmm maybe 3 multi-spool chokes? 1 for each phase that are 120 degrees out of phase from one another. 120x 3 buzz come on am i gonna have to school you the whole way threw this..  you act like little annoying johnny in the back of the class.. the one that annoys all the other students who actual want to learn.
heres some actual progress  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we2qS-mnE5k&feature=channel
from good ol hydro.. thank you hydro for you sharing and look at that water gap in the cap.. sure is alot of gas being made a 2.5 amps.. hmmmmm thats a little under meyers 3.3 amps for 40,000 volts but man there not even any chokes involved..
i wounder about that choke voltage field he speacks of? kinda reminds me of how the multi spool is wired..

outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 02, 2009, 05:04:01 AM
Quote
Congratulations! You figured out how to cut and paste from Meyer's notes. You think that you are reading something about a tube cell and splitting water but in fact you are reading about a taper resonant cavity in the injector and the production and ignition of the gas. Your inability to read is one thing - that is just a function of your profound ignorance, your belligerence level is quite another.

i guess the buzz cant read well.. or understand charts. can sombody please get this fool out of here...
he thinks because i speak of dynamics and static that the taper is making the dynamic lol.. let me post this for you again buzz.  i want you to read what it says on the chart.. i think its somthin like dynamic/static.. oh and linear cylindrical resonant cavity ... will you stop miss leading people? PAY ATTENTION ya dummy.

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 02, 2009, 05:05:27 AM
outlaw
nice output!! [NO AMAZING IF IT IS STRAIGHT WATER AT 2.5AMPS]

THANKS FOR SHARING HYDRO'S WORK
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 02, 2009, 05:19:41 AM
lack of integrity is a bad choice but a common choice for the ignorant..     
1      adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty.
2.    the state of being whole, entire, or undiminished: to preserve the integrity of the empire.
3.    a sound, unimpaired, or perfect condition: the integrity of a ship's hull.

im as genuine as they come.. i dont put up with shit so i lack integrity? would i be here on this site trying to help the deff dum and blind if i didnt have good morals. i post my ideas of most importance,,. i dont hold it in with greed of trying to make a fortune from this.. there will be plenty of money to go around..  the fact that im real and not fake doesnt make me whole spirtualy?

my morals may not be on the same path as are society.. but thats because my morals are on a higher pedistal..... society morals  have fallen at a tremendous rate.. your a prime example of what im talking about.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 02, 2009, 05:22:31 AM
It isn't about water Chet, it is about measuring power. 1000 volts at 2.5 amps is 2500 watts of power.

so if hydro is doing 1000 volts at 2.5 amps then there would clearly be a spark across the capacitor......

i didn't see any short.

plus when he did show his last voltage reading of over 1,000 volts and producing hydrogen....there was no spark across the electrodes.....

EXPLAIN THAT...jackass.....high voltage low amperage....damn that sounds familiar.....of course hydro hasn't replicated stanley meyers work....but he is replicating his CONCEPT....one you haven't done yet.

#18.....answer lil buzzbuzz.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 02, 2009, 05:27:59 AM
Quote
Congratulations! You figured out how to cut and paste from Meyer's notes. You think that you are reading something about a tube cell and splitting water but in fact you are reading about a taper resonant cavity in the injector and the production and ignition of the gas. Your inability to read is one thing - that is just a function of your profound ignorance, your belligerence level is quite another.

read this line graph this time buzz
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 02, 2009, 05:46:53 AM
outlaw

So how many watts is he using in that vid?

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 02, 2009, 06:07:33 AM
im not sure how many but im sure if you asked him he would tell you... shoot him a email.he is not a misleading individual as buzz refers everyone as that doesnt bow down to him. he will tell you what his observation have brought forward to him just like any other caring civil experimenter would do. remember just because somthin can be wrong doesnt mean its not half right.. this area is still green there can be many miss interpretations.. think about how much clearer things will get once someone gets even closer to perfection.. like hydro is working on..


outlawstc..
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 02, 2009, 06:12:29 AM
outlaw

Thanks I will

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on March 02, 2009, 06:32:43 AM
This thread is starting to sound civilized.  Could it be geniuses for creating chaos have abandon it? 
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 02, 2009, 06:50:18 AM
Goodnight fellows

Tomorrow's another day

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 02, 2009, 07:22:45 AM
Quote
Congratulations! You figured out how to cut and paste from Meyer's notes. You think that you are reading something about a tube cell and splitting water but in fact you are reading about a taper resonant cavity in the injector and the production and ignition of the gas. Your inability to read is one thing - that is just a function of your profound ignorance, your belligerence level is quite another.

Quote
Fuck off asshole. I didn't say he was using 1000 volts at 2.5 amps you ignorant illiterate fucking idiot. I picked two numbers and calculated the "power" measured in "watts" so that dumb fucks like you could know that you have to do that and dumb fucks like outlawstc would even bother to notice Hydrostupid didn't and never does before he held up a video of a known poser as some sort of proof.

Learn to read, then post something on the web dumb ass.


learn to read then post somthin on the web site huh??? buzz are you a hypocrite to? damn you have alot of problems.. yet again i call you out on one of your most ignorant statement made..because your to dumb to read.. as you can see in buzzes first quote we have here he says "you think that you are reading something about a tube cell and splitting water but in fact you are reading about a taper resonant cavity in the injector and the production and ignition of the gas." see buzz still thinks in his mind that the only way dynamic exsist is by the compresional wave guide of the taper resonant cavity..he cant understand it could still be getting a dynamic voltage pulse in both situation of linear and taper... buzz are you a fucking wetod READ the damn line graph variables for once..

 i forgot you can only think in 2d.. flat objects having no dimensional relation to our 3d world. you should of just drawn your 6-1 transformer on a picece of paper its so 2d based. lol. looks like it might make a good electric fence transformer. maybe you should focus on somthing like that since this stuff is way above your head..


outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 02, 2009, 07:45:14 AM
You know what Buzz,,, You are the most misleading person i know of,,,, you spell check my work, "Like I'm going to post perfect on a forum." You down everyone and the most of it you are trying to make me look like and fool...

You know what,,,, Every time i have made a release there has always been someone there that was jellouse that wanted to put my lights out.. So i guess people will just have to get pissed off because nobody is stopping me!

If you're wondering what is going on Outside of the internet i will be kind enough to share with you a "Snippit" of whats going on. 


Them guy's that's using 7 liters of HHO per min to run their engines,,, How dumb would you appear to them if you told them they could run the very same engine, no additives, with under 1 liter per min? Sounds impossible doesn't it.....

Well, i am the guy that will show you how its done, Like i warned everyone 3 months ago i was going to end this, and embarrass allot doing so! Those of you that knows what I'm talking about,, go back and seek it, I'm not done yet!



Here you go buzz, i know you may make giggles at my work, but we will see who is giggling at who later on down the road.

The Date Was December the 20th, I stated i was a one army wind didn't i,,, brown. So you laugh it up boy, because this old dog is going to show you how its done,,, I'm posting this way before its due time, "I've never shared anything so soon before" but here's you a glimpse of whats about to plow threw this technology son!

Laugh it up boy, you wire your Ecore, because when you see these numbers you're not going to like the facts!

BTW, i can tell you right now, when a car runs on water,,,, if your psi gauge is sensitive enough it'll produce "Sine waves"

So yeah... I did set out to clean this technology up, that's just what I'm doing now sense your college grad self can not do it you have to let an unschooled Einstein do it for ya ehh....

Well,, you'll damn well wait until I'm ready to release what I'm going to release because from what i see,,,, your to damn stupid to figure it out!

Here's your snippit,, I'm not spoon feeding anyone "Yet"
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

There's four strokes based on this single cylinder.

Intake, Compress, Fire and Exhaust

1. First half of rev intake valve is open, sucking in gas to   

cylinder. "Remember, Half a rev."

2. Next half rev I've already sealed the intake valve, now i   

compress my gathered gas, When i reach my top i fire!

3. I am blown down half a rev, i contain burnt gases that forces   

 me downward.

4. As i start up my exhaust valve opens, i push the exhaust gas   

out, when i reach my top peak i Reopen the intake valve. I   

start over.



13.333333333333333333333333333333 RPS;

75.000000000000000000000000000019 MS PER FULL REV

I open every 150.00000000000000000000000000002 MS

I stay open 37.500000000000000000000000000005 MS.

i do this 6.666666666666666666666666666665 times

so my total open time in one second is

249.99999999999999999999999999994 ms

i remain closed 750.0000000000000000000000000001 ms
---------------------------------------------------------
66.666666666666666666666666666667 cc's per second
15.000000000000000000000000000002 MS per 1 CC
This ran the engine.

It Used 249.99999999999999999999999999994 /

15.000000000000000000000000000002 16 cc's per second to idle minus the the 750 ms closed zones. Calculated to   cc/sec per cylinder sine wave function uncomputerized controll.  Lost gas 0, Idle speed power consumption 275 watts per cylinder. 

Warning, all though the above is a lab test it was never meant to be shared, One cant understand the numbers without actually seeing the system, nor understand the delivery methods without knowing the tune. 

Btw, the harder you laugh the buzz the better those numbers get! So you're the one thats the retard, not the one over here doing my homework! This isn't all I've been working on either,,,, "think of one who isolates his self to nothing but this technology, he'll grow an extra brain just for it no matter his education."
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 02, 2009, 08:35:51 AM
"Dynamic Variable (800) of Figure (8-4) produces Flame Front (VS3) when
Dynamic Electrical Stress (RR' - SS' as to RU/RU' - ST/ST') and Dynamic Gas Pressure (Dgp) are
both increasing in magnitude by the use of Taper Cylindrical Resonant Cavity"

buzz is so dumb he cant read between the lines... magnatude by use of!!!!!! do you really know what that means ya dumb red headed step child.. you point out stuff that justify what im saying.. thank you for helping me pull more truth out of how dumb you are. you are making my day for how stupid you are but are to ignorant to see it. this is right under what you highlighted.. dynamic electrical stress and dynamic gas preasure.. so what the fuck is dynamic electrical stress you dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb idiot.. you minus well go out and stand next to the cow cause your toaltaly useless to this field.

Combinatorial Variable exists when Dynamic Voltage Pulse Wave (600) -----(NOTICE IT SAYS DYNAMIC VOLTAGE PULSE WAVE YOU DUMB INBREED)of Figure (6-3) is utilized with Linear Cylindrical Resonant Cavity (730A) of Figure (7-12), (NOW NOTICE THE LINEAR CYNRICAL CAVITY STATED) as illustrated in performance graph (810) of Figure (8-5). Greater Heat-yield of Flame Front (16)
is realized when Non-Linear Cylindrical Resonant Cavity (730C) of Figure (7-12) is used in
conjunction with Differential Dynamic Variables (820) of Figure (8-6) where (DYNAMIC ELECTRICAL STRESS) (RR' - SS' as to RU/RU' - STIST') is increased while the resultant gas pressure is allow to drop
during the gas ignition stage (E9d) of Figure (6-3) as to Figure (590) of Figure (6-2), as finally noted
by Energy Vector Graph (830) of Figure (8-7) under titled-line "Expanding State Space" (VS4).

Greater Heat-yield of Flame Front (16)is realized when Non-Linear Cylindrical Resonant Cavity (730C) of Figure (7-12) is used inconjunction with Differential Dynamic Variables(DIFFERENTIAL DYNAMIC VARIABLE)   

buzz you minus well just leave now with your tail between your legs..

outlawstc ;)
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 02, 2009, 09:06:34 AM
I think those numbers speak for their self!

If we had more people like me and less people like you,,, i think we would go allot faster....


You know what would suck,,,, No, better yet,,,, you know what would rule???

I think if the OLD DOGS came out and state exactly what they thought of meyers vic that they would highly piss you off, If those would just start posting and get off their bottoms they could change the way this technology works!

Get your asses out here and adjust these peoples attitudes, I'll back you all the way!

"i only speak for the wise" The ones that know what hogwash and whats not....


Stop looking for magic you fucktard,,,


None Combustible gases, Ambient air mix, Oil Droplets,,,, You'll fail to see what the mix was used for every time!! I will have to point that out to lol, WHY? because its common damn since! Get to work and

lay off the crack my friends...



I will be showing engines running on very low amounts of hydrogen, so low you'll have to see it to believe it, "I'll setup arrangements for visitations" cameras welcome with no hidden parts!

But, i must see some effort, some stuff you need to shelve because its not true at all.

What would you do if you invented an overunity device? Would you put anything that worked in a patent if it was worth millions? You have an entirely lot to learn about patent protection.

You want to know what i think you should all do with Stan's patents??? Burn em! there isn't one useful piece of information in them.



I am going to smack this technology's ass, and you're going to watch me do it!!!! Then maybe you'll listen,,, But buzz, its people like you that causes this technology to be the way it is, you need to step back take a deep breath and change your way of direction, if you don't you're going to wind up with your head up your ass along with lots of others.

Why did you cause such violence to me? I do not know if you are mib, an idiot causing problems, "and you caused me a shit load of problems" or someone with a chemical problem.... Whatever you are the clocks a tickin so i suggest you either understand me and what i do and how i work and realize that i do not stop until i have an answer.

1. I do not mislead people, I send out the facts at that given time that may later become invalid facts that aren't true.
2. When you test you're pron to make mistakes and give out false information, In any tester you will follow a trail of misleading information when they are making or is trying to make progress!
3. Each present day there are facts, Facts of the past could become misleading, but it is those misleading facts that cause you to keep finding new ones.
4. Facts lead to false information that causes you to find more facts which also becomes false, the end fact is a fact!
5. A misleading Paper Trail revealing how misleading you're or was in the past does not prove you was purposely misleading anyone, However it does prove that you was trying to make progress.

6. Everything i posted before this date is misleading, Everything i posted today is a fact!!!!!!!!
7. Everything i post today will become misleading, and tomorrow i will have more facts.
8. Make no mistakes, you'll make no progress,,, i show my work no matter the facts, others may see my mistakes and learn from it.
9. Those that fall together grow tall together!
10.Those that never fall never grows tall!

Have i fallen, yes many times! does it embarrass me,, Hell no, "I EARNED MY KNOWLEGE"

And about the ionization,,,, "My head was deep in the books when i pointed that out." And for brown gas to state it was already know was bullshit, when i created ionizationx.com there was not jack shit,,,, This website has grown since then! Oupower was dead as a rock,,, there was nothing..... It doesn't matter now because i've realized it was crap anyways, but it wasn't right because "i learned stan was doing that" when i got "very deep into his work." Besides the fact you have to have baking soda to get it to work lol,,, and how would i know that? hrm,, perhaps hydro didn't tell everything did he. I still remember loosing my sock when i ionized the gas, How i found ionization would take me 4 complete pages to explain, thats why i've never attempted it. Long story short, i was testing several things that effected gas and one day out of the blue i picked up my bug zapper and give it a go and it worked... I had forgotten about the debree of soda i previously used and that the water temp was a bit high. Stevie and me refused to tell any of you about it for "4 months" and finaly i released it anyways at procoent, "the top secret forum" and all hell broke loose after that. Thats how i came to realize stan was doing it, and thats what made me research shocking of the gas which later turned out to be what stan called ionization. Everyone was doing it ,it infested overunity like a virus, just like those vic photos that somebody got in deep shit for posting.. Good thing thats all the posted because youd go apeshit if you see stans,, ooop cant go there

Now look! This technology is booming.

Sometimes i wonder what it would be like if i never stepped foot in this technology,,, perhaps you'd overlook the fact that single cylinder engines can be ran on about 900 cc's a min... Ah, i forgot none of you can understand that,, "I'll have to yet show you how that's done to." unless someone See's my point and try's to take the credit yet again "After I've pointed out it could be done" and left a pretty good bit of information behind. Well,, they better move quick..


I suggest to ya something,,,,, If it sounds to good to be true thats because it probably is! Ask your dad! as your mom! Oh, i should have said "ask the wise." Nothing is impossible,,, anyone here know the secret to getting a "Pilot bushing" out of a pressure plate on some stick shifts? Well, you'd think that was impossible to if someone didn't show you how to do it,,, go ask someone how its done, only a few can tell ya.

Go ask someone how to run an engine on such low amounts of gas without using electronics,, sound impossible? well you're in for a ride because when you start calculating this and you start calculating that nothing is impossible,,, and to use 5 liters to idel any single cylinder engine is a complete "American Wast!"

This is why i have reason to believe stan lived with mexicans, that man must have saved everything,, "we need to be more like them, they dont wast." And yet, im not even going to comment on voltage potential,,, I told all of you on my forum over 3 months ago about that crack didn't i...

Hear me now, i'm far from done! Buzz,,, straigten up because when I go silent you can start wondering when i'm going to pop up next and what i'll be packing... The longer i'm gone the harder i'll crush this technology when i get back! You might want to add this post to your favorites,, it may be my last post for a while!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 02, 2009, 10:23:51 AM
And i'll even add a bit more to the confusion!!!!!!!!

Allot of you are talking about arcs in my fuel cell i shot on youtube, wondering if its possible......



Well,,,,, It arcs at the very bottom of the fuel cell, its rare! when it happens it POPS and its a very bright flash. Think i'm lying? Perhaps you'll prove one day i am not! I have done lots and lots and lots of test, there is no way i can comment on one particular video, but yes the vic is uniq, and it does exactly what stan says it will do, but it donesn't consume 5 gallons of gas per hour! One user reported that it was because "i hit resonance of the circuit and not resonance of the water."

Why did i test it, because i've gone to far not to, now i've tested it, i've hit resonance "of the circuit", i've gained HV directly across the fuel cell, and it dont consume 5 gallons of water per hour. Perhaps i did not hit resonance of the water. lol, whatever

I've placed flouresnet lamps in series with the fuel cell, "still produces and the lamp changes nothing!" Strange, Yes! was the pops and sparks i got strange, yes! do i feel like its worth persueing further? NO, why? Perhaps i know better, Perhaps Theres other things more important.
 
Does the circuit produce Free light? YES, when the light is on there is no effect in current from the battery, electricity can be drawn from the earth!

I've posted all my circuits, i made it CLEAR how important the "CHOKE CORE" is for gaining the HV across the cell, Its a TOY, play with it if you want.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on March 02, 2009, 06:08:57 PM
This is pretty damn funny:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6926.msg160813#msg160813
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 02, 2009, 06:23:01 PM
Grumpy

we've missed you at the Octagon

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on March 02, 2009, 06:41:33 PM
Chet,

Build somethin'
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 02, 2009, 06:53:01 PM
Chet you suck , even grumpy says so

useless person ...
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on March 02, 2009, 06:55:03 PM
http://www.revivion.com/info/97/
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 02, 2009, 07:18:50 PM
delete
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on March 02, 2009, 07:37:17 PM
Hi Grumpy - don't think we've met.

Buzz, just to let you know that I'm at that stage now - you can only take so much belly laughing before it starts to hurt!

I think this probably explains much of Outlaws problems: Quote from Outlaw:

Quote
i come from a town of nothin but shit eating punk ass holes that is a  cross between red neck ville and the hood. so save your fear tactics.. we reside with ak's and ar15 's are citys called f'in soildier city for crying out loud.

I doubt many folks would really expect educated, intelligent human beings and people of science to fall under the 'shit eating punk ass hole’ category, where they reside with their AK’s.

Quote from Kinesis

Quote
on my wail to jail???

NO MY FRIEND ON MY WAY TO 2 DEGREES IN ENGINEERING!

Give me strength… that one must have even given your buddies a chuckle! The only degrees you’ll ever get is by turning up the heating. ‘Wail to Jail’… is that street slang, or just your spelling again?

Quote
it's funny how about 7 or more people can agree that you are a complete IDIOT AND YOU SHOULD BE BANNED.....when you want to ban the so called "dependtards"....so far it's 7 against 1 and we have more authority then you do......

Actually I think that intelligent people are outnumbered by a greater figure than you suggest if you include those just watching. Stevie1001 popped in the other day to defend you lot, so clearly he’s not the sharpest knife in the draw either.

Chet seems to be in some sort of limbo, but I fear he’s erring toward the darkside. Don’t do it Chet walk toward the light!

A youtube vid is absolutely worthless without any readings or measurements. I have concentric test cells similar to that in the video and believe me it looks a lot more gas than it really is. The video is quite meaningless without any accurate figures to substantiate anything – and if you’re prepared to take Hydro’s word on anything he tells you, then more fool you.

Saved you till last Hydro, you ole devil you.

After your definition of the ‘electricity atom’, this is my next favourite snippet of yours.

Quote
When i was told ionization was nothing new, that it was on many other sites before i published, it made me angry because i as well as many others know differently.

Hydrocars discovers ionisation, but is given no credit for it – I can’t for the life of me think why!

Quote
Like I'm going to post perfect on a forum." You down everyone and the most of it you are trying to make me look like and fool...

This is something that I don’t feel we can really take any credit for Hydro, you do quite an excellent job of making yourself look a complete and utter fool without our help!

My apologies to any Stupidville folk I have left out, but you can’t all expect to get a mention given competition this stiff.

Until the moderators decide to throw out some of the trash I'm outta here.

You all have fun now!

PS. Quote in a following post from Kinesis:
Quote
spell check yourself dipshit...you made more mistakes in that post then in the post you corrected me in....

Actually it's the Queens English, which anyone with a few non-mutant brain cells would have realised, you illiterate twat!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 02, 2009, 07:44:47 PM
popped in the other day to defend you lot, so clearly he’s not the sharpest knife in the draw either.

what the hell are you saying.....defend you lot?.....knife in the draw......oh you must mean drawer.....

favourite snippet of yours.

Hydrocars discovers ionisation,

you mean ionization....im not sure what ioniSation is...it might be some sort of sensory perception.

After you definition of the ‘electricity atom’, this is my next favourite snippet of yours.

favourite???? is that even a word.


spell check yourself dipshit...you made more mistakes in that post then in the post you corrected me in....hypocritical bastard.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 02, 2009, 08:09:41 PM
I'm with Farrah Day in that there is a point where the stupid factor begins to hurt and I really can't take much more pain.

Sorry I could not read Dankie's thread Grumpy. My pupils were nearly vaporized by the read blocks he posted nor did I read the the latest ignorant rant of these intellectually challenged idiots.

One could blame the free energy movement for these morons or one could blame Hartman for allowing them to post here. It does question this site's true intent doesn't it?

It sounds like intelligent people are banning Hartman by posting elsewhere and getting back to work and that works for me.

Wow... we actually agree on something .

BTW , is TheBuzz responding to himself ? ... OMG split personality ?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on March 02, 2009, 08:16:37 PM
I'm with Farrah Day in that there is a point where the stupid factor begins to hurt and I really can't take much more pain.

If stupidity hurt those who had it, both of you Ignorant Bastards would be dead, because no human being could bear the pains of the stupidity that the two of you possess.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on March 02, 2009, 08:49:11 PM
"no human being" is singular. "pains" is plural". "stupidity" is singular. "possess" is singular.

I would also point out that "Ignorant Bastards" would not be capitalized and no comma would appear before the word because.

You, kinessisfilms and Dankie have so much in common but then that seems to be the theme of this thread.

No human being; was intended to be singular because not a soul alive could bear the pain of your ignorance.
Pains; was meant to be plural - your personality is also.
Stupidity; is your only character asset.
I capitalized "Ignorant Bastards" for the same reason I capitalized Buzz there is not much difference.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 02, 2009, 08:50:42 PM
No human being; was intended to be singular because not a soul alive could bear the pain of your ignorance.
Pains; was meant to be plural - your personality is also.
Stupidity; is your only character asset.
I capitalized "Ignorant Bastards" for the same reason I capitalized Buzz there is not much difference.


BADABOOM !!!!!!!!!!!!

Funniest comeback ever
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on March 02, 2009, 08:51:15 PM
Thanks Buzz, but it is not necessary.

I iterate:

PS. Quote from Kinesis:

Quote
spell check yourself dipshit...you made more mistakes in that post then in the post you corrected me in....

Actually Kinesis, it's the Queens English, which anyone with a few functioning brain cells would have realised... you illiterate twat!

Quote from Buzz:
Quote
One could blame the free energy movement for these morons or one could blame Hartman for allowing them to post here. It does question this site's true intent

I personally blame their mothers for not putting them out of their misery at birth!

Buzz, sit back and enjoy:

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=469

Anyway, that’s it. That’s me done!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 02, 2009, 09:39:35 PM
you know what i notice....thebuzz never corrects farrahday's grammar and spelling.....and farrahday never corrects thebuzz's grammar and spelling.

i can't believe you honestly alternate between personalities and even hold such a mind numbing circle jerk between them.

pick your self up off the ground. you worthless scum.

and try to re-wind your failed attempt at figure 6-1....

what a complete fuck up you are.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 02, 2009, 10:33:36 PM
heres part of a post buzz deleted to cover his tracks
Quote
Congratulations! You figured out how to cut and paste from Meyer's notes. You think that you are reading something about a tube cell and splitting water but in fact you are reading about a taper resonant cavity in the injector and the production and ignition of the gas. Your inability to read is one thing - that is just a function of your profound ignorance, your belligerence level is quite another.
this was a response from the first time i posted this image on page 56.. there was more to it but that just happen to be all that i quoted. response was on page 57 but is mysteriously missing?????
i called him out on it (bottom page 57) with his quote from the response. and called him out a second time.. with no response but a change of subject.

this should still be on page 57 of this thread but is no longer there anymore??????
why do you cover up you false claims when being called out on?
why is it that you have made the dumbest claim of the year but yet you hoot and holler about a real world experimenter for his miss understandings of this new found knowledge?
why do you have two personality's?  did your father beat you when you were young? was your only fiends buzz and farrahday?  are you going to keep going on with your useless non sense? that you delete after being called out apon? im sure glad i know how to cut and paste because im login your shit from here on out so we can watch them disapear... and all missing post will be sent to the owner of the site.. so he can see the nonsense swirl of chaos your creating here.  and get rid of your nonsense you bring forth to us real men that dont nut our pants from create chaos.


cheers
outlawstc ;D
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 02, 2009, 11:18:52 PM
ok people of truth... not buzz.. we know he lies and deletes stuff.  i have pointed out the obvious.. and yet he then casualy plays it off like the june june he is.. he mentions some of my personal information i have never even talked about on here before.  nor on any post. so we know he investigates people.
who are ya buzz? a lonely person sitting in the basement of your grandmas house sopping in your own little imaginary world? all i know is your deff. a fraud that put words together in manners to make you look intellectual.. but your just a big dumb dumb.. the whole thread has nothing to do with our real world discussions of this tech for us.. its just because your stupidity is so interesting to us smart ones we can help but to be curious what your gonna say next lol..



outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 02, 2009, 11:54:19 PM
It has always been my experience that people from the Southern US are some of the dumbest on Earth.

So I right clicked on your email icon and selected copy link to clipboard.

Then I opened up another tab and typed whois.com in the address bar.

Clicked on whois and entered your domain name of alotbetterllc.com (http://alotbetterllc.com) and it gives me this since you are too stupid to proxy.

Admin Name........... xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Admin Address........ xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ xxxxxxxxxxxx
Admin Address........ xxxxxxxxx
Admin Address........ xxxxxxx

Then I typed your address into google and verified that you are poor based on the google maps supplied. BTW - you need to wash your truck.

Then I went to your web site and verified what you do for a living which is paint sealers on pavement.

You see it took me roughly 60 seconds to verify that you are a stupid loser from the Southern US just as I suspected.

Then you supplied two photos and since I have spent a little time around the Cape, that further verified the information. Then you gave me feedback and verification in your posts on your criminal legal problems and other things I found helpful.

So I invested 60 seconds into proving that you are a genuine loser and not some spook just pretending to be one. It is all public information that you supplied. That is what I am going to say next dumb ass, hope it was worth the wait.

Lets screencapture this ...

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 03, 2009, 12:10:39 AM
buzzeruiski,
wow you found my buddys house that i work with part time.. that i happen to have a email account under for his web site.. you should have noticed the email address on the site you dumb ass. it isnt the one you copied and pasted you dumb dumb dumb dumb fuckin idiot.. you jump to conclusions so fast its humoring.. and the fact that you investigate is even more funny.. you are a computer geek in the basement of your grandmas house. you been treated like a red headed step child and have isolated your self from reality. thank you dankie for posting a quote of his investigating quality's.. because it will most likely be deleted in the near future by dipshit.. i mean this character is telling me to wash my truck.. lol he thinks hes cool because he knows how to punch in a address on google earth and locate where people live and view the 360 ground view.. wow buzz im glad you know how that works.. so how many girls are you keeping track of right now???? theres one on 346 florida ave you might wanna check out.. shes banging.. maybe you can find her email account with your investigative skillz and shoot her a email to let her know she needs to was her car
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha you dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb june june.

you qualify for more dumbs but i dont have time to put them all you dumb homo lol haha

outlaw ;D
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 03, 2009, 12:28:19 AM
gold

"you are a computer geek in the basement of your grandmas house."
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 03, 2009, 12:28:47 AM
oh and by the way buzz congrats for you 500th post of disinformative B.S  i bet if hartman looked at your record you would only have like 300 still view able non deleted post you piece of shit.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 03, 2009, 12:35:22 AM
ENOUGH GUYS!!

what are we here for ??

This is like substitute teacher day !!

practically every minute that goes buy another shovel of dirt is thrown on us [our lovely gov'ts]

back on topic !

!Hydro how many watts in your last vid ??

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: hartiberlin on March 03, 2009, 12:37:51 AM
TheBuzz and his other 2 usernames
Meltdown and CabinBoy are banned now.

He violated many of the forum´s TOS and he was warned already
in earlier times.
Also I deleted one of his messages,
where he revealed personal information of another user.

Regards, Stefan.(admin)
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 03, 2009, 12:46:35 AM
THANK YOU! finally we can talk about our actual projects and works!...good that you screen grabbed that dankie.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 03, 2009, 01:07:43 AM
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6926.0

This is an ADD , this is the new hot topic
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on March 03, 2009, 01:09:28 AM
kinesisfilms,

Although I PM'ed you this information you ask for the Inductance about 18 times.  My coil with the ferrite core will be:

1 st- Choke       .0677H
2nd- Choke       .0677H
Primary            .0486H
Secondary         4.8460H

Total Coil   5.03H
 
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 03, 2009, 01:17:44 AM
WELL, WELL, WELL

SAD, VERY SAD


sorry outlaw that really sucked

Chet

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 03, 2009, 01:58:19 AM
kinesisfilms,

Although I PM'ed you this information you ask for the Inductance about 18 times.  My coil with the ferrite core will be:

1 st- Choke       .0677H
2nd- Choke       .0677H
Primary            .0486H
Secondary         4.8460H

Total Coil   5.03H
 

see stanleys inductance was 10.7 HENRIES if the resonant frequency is 5khz as stated.
with the below images given information...after you calculate the capacitance....and plug this into the resonant equation....
THIS IS WHAT I ASKED THE BUZZ TO DO 18 TIMES AND HE STILL REFUSED.....see how simple that is?...for someone who claimed to have replicated figure 6-1 you think they would atleast know the inductance of it....

so if the vic 6-1 that we are going to be constructing has an inductance of 5.03 henries then our resonant frequency will be around 7khz....which is DAMN GOOD....and a resonant frequency of 7khz means an input 50% duty cycle pulse of 3.5khz.......we will be rockin.....i am too excited for the materials to come in.....(edited)
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 03, 2009, 02:16:28 AM
Quote
WELL, WELL, WELL

SAD, VERY SAD


sorry outlaw that really sucked

Chet


im confused with what you mean by this ramset???? sorry about what?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 03, 2009, 02:28:14 AM

im confused with what you mean by this ramset???? sorry about what?

Ramset dont cry


Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 03, 2009, 02:37:22 AM
outlaw

sorry that someone on this forum[thebuzz] would be so ... inappropriate

There is a guy on another forum that did something similar,[to user H20power] and I want to STOMP him!!

Very confusing in these times we live in???

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 03, 2009, 03:54:23 AM
TheBuzz and his other 2 usernames
Meltdown and CabinBoy are banned now.

He violated many of the forum´s TOS and he was warned already
in earlier times.
Also I deleted one of his messages,
where he revealed personal information of another user.

Regards, Stefan.(admin)

You are aware that this is the same user that posted my personal information at oupower.com? If not then you are now. I had to get my phone number changed and unlisted because of that, Posting personal information is just wrong.

This person has also threatened me with the FBI, sorry to hear you've had problems with him on your forum as well, "I could have wound up in court because of this person." So thats why i gave the forum to stevie, i was also being threatened with donation fraud. I suggest keeping your eye's on this member if he remains on your website.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 03, 2009, 04:08:16 AM
The bright side is a very Cruel and Negative person was removed from this website, There is no Cruel nor rude people on our website. The other forums appear somewhat clean so everything is looking good.

Do me a favor since hart did some cleaning. "Try and respect each other, i would never talk to any of you the way i talked to buzz, he simply deserved it."

He is gone now, so lets please work on being civil to each other and have respect for one another, "And the next time a negative person with an attitude such as buzz had we will all join up and get rid of them!"

"we don't want disrespect in this technology!"

Today's Word, "RESPECT" I cant stand someone that's disrespectful to someone else.

Now maybe we can start being civil to each other since it appears the trouble maker is gone, If this ever happens again we should all get together and remove these types from our research groups.

If someone wants to start a yahoo group just for being on the look out for trouble makers, id be the first to join, i strongly think we need something of that because disrespect is simply not wanted!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on March 03, 2009, 03:51:37 PM
The bright side is a very Cruel and Negative person was removed from this website, There is no Cruel nor rude people on our website. The other forums appear somewhat clean so everything is looking good.

Do me a favor since hart did some cleaning. "Try and respect each other, i would never talk to any of you the way i talked to buzz, he simply deserved it."

He is gone now, so lets please work on being civil to each other and have respect for one another, "And the next time a negative person with an attitude such as buzz had we will all join up and get rid of them!"

"we don't want disrespect in this technology!"

Today's Word, "RESPECT" I cant stand someone that's disrespectful to someone else.

Now maybe we can start being civil to each other since it appears the trouble maker is gone, If this ever happens again we should all get together and remove these types from our research groups.

If someone wants to start a yahoo group just for being on the look out for trouble makers, id be the first to join, i strongly think we need something of that because disrespect is simply not wanted!

I am crude, negative, and hate depend-tards, but I'm not banned.  Hmm..must be my cologne. 

It's ironic that people with true insight into technology are the ones that are oppressed.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 03, 2009, 05:26:34 PM
Grumpy

you didn't post peoples names and address's on a public Forum

F**n stupid[buzz]

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 03, 2009, 06:09:41 PM
Grumpy

you didn't post peoples names and address's on a public Forum

F**n stupid[buzz]

Chet

Yet you were worshipping a guy like that ... Not good chet , not good .
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on March 03, 2009, 07:25:41 PM
Yet you were worshipping a guy like that ... Not good chet , not good .

All of that information is legal obtained since it is "public record". 

You can even get a nice photo of your home right off Google:

I edited the posting and removed the pic.
(admin)
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 03, 2009, 07:43:59 PM
Grumpy

nice pic

With all the researchers hear, talkin about SPOOKS, and poisonings and bumps in the night

Posting like the buzz did, at the VERY least is inappropriate on a Forum like this!!

I personally feel the cat is out of the bag [secret techs]

 There is just to much need [by the people] to stifle the multitudes seeking alternates to the status quo

Chet

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on March 03, 2009, 07:52:21 PM

Posting like the buzz did, at the VERY least is inappropriate on a Forum like this!!


Posting public information is legal and appropriate.  This is why you can hide your email and other personal effects if you want.

Lurking on a forum, while doing nothing to help yourself, waiting for others to figure everything out for you is "inappropriate".
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Yucca on March 03, 2009, 08:01:50 PM
What a farce, Stan Meyers would spin in his grave. RIP. :'(

Luck and godspeed to all serious researchers and experimenters in this area.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 03, 2009, 08:33:10 PM
ok so now that buzz has been removed for his disorderly conduct.. we have grumpy stepping to the plate..
are they the same person? idk.. but i do know that these june junes keep trying to scare me with there pathedic tactics.. everyone see the picture labeled home sweet home? now notice the clearer  one that i posted.. how did i get a hole different pic of that same pic? well because grumpy thinks by labeling it home sweet home when its actualy the house at the same address buzz posted is gonna make me paranoid and scared.. buzz thinks its my house because i have a email account under my buddys webstie... so everyone take note of this picture so when i email mr hartman once again he can dispose of this disorder as well..


outlawstc

I edited this posting and deleted the picture.
(admin)
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 03, 2009, 08:45:39 PM
Quote
Posting public information is legal and appropriate.  This is why you can hide your email and other personal effects if you want.

Lurking on a forum, while doing nothing to help yourself, waiting for others to figure everything out for you is "inappropriate".

grumpy,
words can be very misleading when placed in different formats of interest.. sure it is all public information but no one has the right to look someones personal info and put it up on the net on a public forum.. it wouldn't be personal info anymore would it? it's shitty that someone would think they have to hide there email on a site that's supposed to be used for higher learning and the social exchange of ideas.. because of warped people that nut them selve by disturbing other people.

"lurking on a forum"?????? i dont know what your talking about? "nothin to help your self"???? still lost.  waiting for others to figure it out???? now im really lost... if people were waiting like that it would be quieter then a church hall in here.... theres no waiting going on here.. whats going on is exchange of abstact ideas and knowledge.. the only ones that can pertain to that catagory of labeling is you since you dont bring nothin to the plate and whoever just comes on the forms to read and not share..


outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on March 03, 2009, 09:02:42 PM
grumpy,
words can be very misleading when placed in different formats of interest.. sure it is all public information but no one has the right to look someones personal info and put it up on the net on a public forum.. it wouldn't be personal info anymore would it? it's shitty that someone would think they have to hide there email on a site that's supposed to be used for higher learning and the social exchange of ideas.. because of warped people that nut them selve by disturbing other people.

"lurking on a forum"?????? i dont know what your talking about? "nothin to help your self"???? still lost.  waiting for others to figure it out???? now im really lost... if people were waiting like that it would be quieter then a church hall in here.... theres no waiting going on here.. whats going on is exchange of abstact ideas and knowledge.. the only ones that can pertain to that catagory of labeling is you since you dont bring nothin to the plate and whoever just comes on the forms to read and not share..


outlawstc

I could not have found that picture without your quote of Buzz's post, which included the site that you have to look up to find the address.  You made accusations against Buzz, got him banned, and then you post the same damn info he posted.  Yeah, you deleted the actual name and address, but you can easily get that with the site name.  WTF?

"Lurking" was towards "Ramset".

I brought a lot to the plate, and then I left with it.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 03, 2009, 09:21:28 PM
YES OUTLAW

THE LURKING WAS FOR ME

NO CONTRIBUTION ETC...

I'm trying to learn [AND I AM ,LOTS},sorry if it appears like lurking Grump

Chet

PS  posting a pick of someones home[with out their consent] is complete bullshit

PPS never ran to STEFAN ,NEVER WILL !!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Grumpy on March 03, 2009, 09:30:38 PM
YES OUTLAW

THE LURKING WAS FOR ME

NO CONTRIBUTION ETC...

I'm trying to learn [AND I AM ,LOTS},sorry if it appears like lurking Grump

Chet

PS  posting a pick of someones home[with out their consent] is complete bullshit

PPS never ran to STEFAN ,NEVER WILL !!

He just said that that is not his address, therefore not his home.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 03, 2009, 09:39:07 PM
This Ain't this old house

Or better homes and gardens

enough house pics already !!

And yes I have learned things from Grumpy also [whilst lurking]

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 03, 2009, 10:08:08 PM
He is going to come back in a other form and then it's the same thing over again, 65 pages of ranting, cursing and acting didn't do anything for you to be honest
The only thing it was funny to read and see how people react or act for that mater
It's only going to come back and bite you in the arse if you ask me


Mr H2inICE

You see this is where you're wrong, that thread had over 7k views.

An Example just got set!;
It became clear that if someone in "A" WFC Tech Group Is correcting others spellings and putting the "Testers" Down the "Group" will see it and deal with the user.

Each Group creates their self a name, Hart at overunity.com Suprised me when he banned buzz, I had him all wrong.  Hart and us set an example Brown, "Negative users will be removed." So, the 7k+ views learned that!

Waterfuelcell.org, I notified murray that he had no controll over the forum, That there was no rules there! Nasty users would get on murrays forum and do as nasty's do and get away with it. After a while I got a respond from murray stating, " I'll get someone in here to moderate it." Thats just what he did, and i've also seen murrays moderator do good jobs with correcting people when they're wrong, and possibly banning members that has foul mouths! You see, Murry's site also set an example, you cant shit on people over there either!

Oupower.com, I've spoken with them by phone, and they to have attended action against ones like buzz, The to have set their example. Negative members is just a no no, and you'll be spanked if you act like one.

Long story short, you don't try and control the wfc tech groups it is clear it will not happen on these forums! So if someone is thinking they will come to one of the above forums and control it,,,, They're wrong.

I don't control the technology, I share my work and I share my thoughts, thats the way it should be in any group. Oupower, waterfuelcell.org, overunity.com and ionizationx.com all combine to form one strong organization, there will be no control over it.. An Example has just been set!

If someone is willing to throw a yahoo group together and send invitations out to known testers the next time someone gets caught up in this type of situation, we can debate if the member causing problems is actually just there to cause harm to the tech or not , If thats so we can take action. This way, we will not have to go threw 65 pages of posting, forum admins can be notified of that user and a warning can be sent. In any case if proof of threat is applied we can immediately remove them.

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 03, 2009, 10:15:27 PM
spewing

Whatever moves us forward!!

This is NO time for games

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 03, 2009, 10:17:24 PM
does it look like i am playing a game? 
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 03, 2009, 10:19:30 PM
Spewing

NO NOT ONE BIT!!

Chet

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 03, 2009, 10:33:07 PM
Spewing

this thread has history l

like you said--7000+ views {8500!!]

Don't waste that exposure

TO all that were in this WAR [and anyone else ]

keep sharing ,you have a big piece of real estate here !!

OPEN SOURCE  !!"" BROTHERS""

Chet

Sorry over 8500 views
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: H2inICE on March 04, 2009, 12:51:31 AM
What do the 8500 viewers think about how you act?

You get to learn about people in threads like this  ;)


Mr H2inICE
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 04, 2009, 02:01:22 AM
H2inICE steps right when thebuzz leaves.....good addition.......i can't believe this forum.

this thread is a waste of time and should be deleted.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 04, 2009, 02:16:53 AM
Do what you will with this thread

 Do I care what people think of me ??

 NOOOOOO.... this is not about me

Why is ionization a members only ?

Do you care what peeps think about that??

 here's a guy that makes alot of sence and doesn't hide behind a curtain

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3217-stanley-meyer-explained-7.html

 Chet


OPEN SOURCE OR STUFF IT
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: kinesisfilms on March 04, 2009, 02:26:24 AM
it will be open source....but we can;t have anyone ruin it when it is in progress to becoming open source.....the last thing we need is our open source project cut short becuase of some B.S.


it will be so relax....adn that guy used to be on ionizationx.....h2opower.....he is a good guy.....dankie thinks otherwise.....but he is a good guy.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: johnbostick on March 04, 2009, 02:46:31 AM
Showboating on the energy forums.  Now the ego is susceptible to the audience.  A claim of great success with the phenomenon of free has cost a few their pride.  Insults hurled about with threats of proving concepts seem to help keep the conceit in tact. Everyone that engaged crossed boundaries of self-respect and slipped lower as mankind.  The falling of the pray stalling the frenzy allows time for displaying justification. Then comes the victory lap by the winners with the relief of just having endured, but what was won?  Anyone that stoops to levels below the social norm should be excluded.  We all have the ability to choose our battles.  Not all the battles we choose are within our ability.  Had all that engaged in unacceptable behavior been barred, I would be gone too. I want to extend my apology to the viewers of this forum and I agree to stay out of these conflicts from here fourth.  That even includes with anyone that reprimands me for my grammar or spelling in these posts. 
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 04, 2009, 03:05:40 AM
John IMO

Your the right stuff

Chet

As are most that have posted here[not all]
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 04, 2009, 03:29:55 AM

Why is ionization a members only ?

Do you care what peeps think about that??

 here's a guy that makes allot of since and doesn't hide behind a curtain

OPEN SOURCE OR STUFF IT

My choice was to Allow all guest to read the ionization website, after i seen clearly that private sites is not good. The Reason you have to become a member at ionizationx.com to view anything is because stevie has gotton over 200 + advertisers and bots registering on his forum, I guess Stevie does not like bots and advertisers on his forum would be my guess. So that's the reason its members only... At least that's what I've been told.

I do care about what people think about ionizationx.com because i created it, At the time of its creation i wouldn't allow allot of stans devices on that forum. The forum was created just for Stanly's alternator. Its Stevie's forum, he runs it the way he wants, he deletes or adds to it what he wants. Me and Stevie are like brothers, I have mentioned to him that i wanted the forum certain ways (because it effects my appearance), also told him that i wouldn't carry the name that the forum was starting to give me,,, Which was free energy devices. I do not like to be known personally for claiming a free energy device if you want the truth, and if ionizationx comes down to that I'll leave! That's what i mentioned to Stevie and he also agrees somewhat.

There is nothing wrong with searching for Overunity devices, its just not who "hydrocars" is, or what he does. I pretty much am trying to crack this and run an engine on very low amounts of hydrogen and explain the workings rather than refer to it as free energy, all though it could be free energy i doubt you'll here it coming from me.

So if you come into our site with an overunity attitude, you probably will not catch my attention.

I am only a member there that enforces the rules that i mostly make, which the only rules there is be civil, do not take over other members threads, and no scroll posting in someone Else's thread, I usually give warning a few times before i take action. If i give warning to that member I'll be watching them. I've adjusted dankies attitude and I've also banned him, I also ask him to fix his attitude and come back to my forum. He clearly See's my way of direction and i have gained much respect from him, i also respect dankie as you all can see.  I would have respected buzz and give him a chance, Sometimes when you are as far gone as buzz was your better off not to attempt it. Dankie has become a changed person weather you know it or not.

I didn't think that kid would ever gain respect, but he did. I put my faith in the fact i could clean him up, and thats what i did. Today he still remains an ionization member, and he is one of our most active members. In fact, i just sent him an instant message because i'm concerned why he hasn't been posting much. i'm thinking he could have been threatened. I warned him to stay away from buzz since he was selling wire, and i have reason to believe buzz is an lawyer, "since he appears to know if what we're doing is illegal or not."

The reason i did not take action on buzz back then,, He had me between a rock and a hard spot, this could be where dankie is. Well,, It's not so easy to put me there a second time since stevie took the rock.   

When i started this thread i had a goal, Now its goal has been meet. Its not wasted space, and it should not be deleted.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 04, 2009, 03:32:01 AM
Sorry Spewing I posted and then saw that you posted

You go boy !!

Open source is the only way

No room for EGO"S

To late for that

WE ARE ALL IN THIS MESS TOGETHER!!

 I would love to help some how

YOU NEED TO TAKE THE RAIN'S AND STEER THE COURSE

Give us something to do [to learn the way]

Chet

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 04, 2009, 04:18:22 AM
Confirm to your self that small engines idle at 6 to 800 rpm's and not 1k.

Make your own calculations;

Determine how many revs your crank turns at that rpm per second.

Determine when the valve opens, How many times it opens in that second, How long it stays open in that second, How long it was closed. 

Learn how many liters of hydroxy is used to run these same engines.

Determine their production in milliseconds, cc's. Learn your flow rate.

Learn how much gas is actually running the engine, and learn how much gas was not needed but was wasted when the valve was closed.

If your valve was open for 37 milliseconds, then how much gas went into that valve given that time period.  Americans wast, We always have.


Take you a Class, and calculate for me how much gas these boys are wasting. Meanwhile, i have things to mill. So you ask me to give you something to do, Then i want you to tell me how much gas is being wasted at 800 rpms using a 7 liter per min flow rate.

I want to know what makes the engine So inefficient when a hydrogen generator is used.

This is what you all should be working on today.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 04, 2009, 05:01:23 AM
SPEWING

as a young man I built airplanes[licensed A and P  FAA]

mechanics  are second nature to me

I like what you are saying more info please?

Chet

PS I CRAVE to help you!!

Honest to God people are DYING every day RIGHT NOW !!

Because they can't buy food or medicine or heat their homes, this is nothing to take lightly[not saying you are]

old folks and young are paying the ultimate price
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 04, 2009, 06:02:48 AM
hhmmmmm how to get hydroxy to burn more effecient.. this i have pondered on for a long while.. my thoery from what i can gather out of stan's work is.. (this is for tapered cavity) the high energy state ozone/ionized O3 is short of many more electrons then low energy state ozone..  being mixed with the incoming water will most likely add a positve charge in the water.. so when the injector starts removing waters oxygen electrons you break the covalent bond of the atom.. when the hydrogen seperate's from oxygen.  a lot of the oxygen that was linked to water looses electrons to the ozone.. so now there's a lot of oxygen's electron deficient  and like mr good ole meyers says ..big ole oxygen will rob little ole hydrogen of its electron making it a measly little proton... boy let me tell you what from the way stan spoke of that proton in the videos boy it can get very agitated sometimes.. especially when it trys to relink into h2o but there's not enough electrons to go around... nitrogen can work as a carrier as well for positive charged oxygen's making nitrogen dioxide which decomposes at 150 degrees releasing more oxygen during combustion.

wiki-------\/

"Corona discharge method

This is the most popular type of ozone generator for most industrial and personal uses. While variations of the "hot spark" coronal discharge method of ozone production exist, including medical grade and industrial grade ozone generators, these units usually work by means of a corona discharge tube.[35] They are typically very cost-effective and do not require an oxygen source other than the ambient air. However, they also produce nitrogen oxides as a by-product. Use of an air dryer can reduce or eliminate nitric acid formation by removing water vapor and increase ozone production. Use of an oxygen concentrator can further increase the ozone production and further reduce the risk of nitric acid formation by removing not only the water vapor, but also the bulk of the nitrogen..

The chemistry of nitrogen dioxide has been investigated intensively. At 150 °C, NO2 decomposes with release of oxygen via an endothermic process (ΔH = 114 kJ/mol)"


outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 04, 2009, 07:09:07 AM
you should not avoid the sum.

Stevie reported to only have used 4 liters to idle his engine, But stevie did not use additives.  How much gas did he wast? 

I notified stevie and told him,,, Are you not aware of how much gas you're wasting.. I said dude,,, stop screwing with that lawn mower engine because you're already wasting half your gas.. he disagreed.  I ask him if he had a 4 cylinder, he stated that he had a 2 cylinder bike... I said stevie,,, I guarantee that you'll run that 2 cylinder easier than you ran that 1 cylinder, his reply to me was no way. I said i promise it. Anyways i convinced him to drag out his bike,, "and he did the following day." He reported that it did run on the same amount of gas his small engine used. You see, i brought to stevies attention that he was wasting over "half his gas" on that lawn mower. He's starting to see this now. Truth be told, over 3/4ths of the gas he used to run that mower was wasted. So what can one do to correct the american wast problem?

So let me get this straight,,, you're saying that 4 liters is to much that stevie could have used less gas? It was reported that 3.5 liters of gas may not idel the engine, why is this? Well, when you go from 4 liters to 3.5 liters you change the Flow Rate, and the valve stays open how long? You see, this is why i told you to do the math,, if you would do the math like i ask of you then you would have understood it wouldn't you. Now you're confused. Say you're producing 1 cc every 15 seconds, at 4 liters per min and the valve stays open for 37 milliseconds. This would mean you have injected 2.4 cc's into the combustion chamber of hydroxy gas. So even though stevie was producing to much gas to run the engine the flow rate must remain at 15 milliseconds for 1 cc, If you was to lower this number than the engine would not run. Is it possible to produce half the gas, say 2 liters and still have a flow rate of 15 millisecond 1 cc? Yes, it is possible, one must understand to do this that you must not let the gas flow when it is not needed, you have in one second 249 milliseconds to get your gas dilivered to your chamber, you also have 750 milliseconds to charge your flow rate line. Then why isn't everyone doing it? Well, they do not understand the technology, Perhaps they will catch on soon enough.

Since the bike idled on 4 liters of gas like the mower did, one would assume the bike needed 4 liters of gas of production to run... This is 100% a big misunderstanding. He got it on video,, ask him to share it with you.

Soon you'll probably be hearing people screaming, shut it off, shut it off... In case this happens and you are not aware what they're screaming about,,, They probably just realized how much gas they have been wasting, So they'll probably be sprinting towards their shut off valves until they correct the problem.

I'll be back soon enough, i got work to do.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 04, 2009, 07:57:05 AM
Truth be told

Stevies valve remained open 249 milliseconds out of 1 second. Stevies Engine consumed 16 cc's of gas in the 249 miliseconds it remained open.

Therfor stevies engine was actually running on .960 cc's of gas per min.

Since stevie only needed 16 cc's every 249 milliseconds to run his engine out of one second, that left him with the rest of the second where his engine was refusing to accept the gas on idle which was 750 milliseconds. 

When you realize that stevie did not even need .960 cc's of gas to run his engine then one might want to further investigate.

If you want to really know what stevies engine was running on, and you are really good with math,,, you'll see that his engine was actually running on under 480 cc's per min. Now thats ass kicking is it....

So if stevies engine was really running on 480 millilers per min then this must mean he wasted  3.5 liters of hydroxy. Where in the shit did it go? And one may tell him self... Hydro i dont understand,,, And i'll say back,,, its because you have no ideal of what the effect of Flow Rate is. Flow rate is the golden key that many overlook and without it you will never understand this tech.

Guy's, common, some things you have to learn on your own, dont put it all on me,, i have load enough. I'll be back, work on this while i'm gone.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on March 04, 2009, 12:57:32 PM
Well boys, I see you’ve now got the place pretty much to yourselves - a real triumph for mindless stupidity… hope you’re all proud of yourselves.

I see too that ‘Hydro and his merry men’ are all now getting on famously without the constant interjection of some intelligent member trying to bring a little sense to the forum.

Yes, this thread had become a total waste of space and a real exercise in stupidity, but as pointed out earlier, it started that way from page one.

Stefan, I’m certainly not condoning Buzz’s actions in displaying personal information, but as you have now banned one of the very few people educated enough to hold an intelligent conversation with, while at the same time letting this bunch of misfits carry on their merry nonsense, I’m rather wondering what the point of the forum is?

Civil though they may now be, even the last few posts of nonsense provide more than enough information to highlight the fact that this forum is being overrun by retards.

We’ve got Outlaw wondering how to make hydroxy burn more efficiently…

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hhmmmmm how to get hydroxy to burn more effecient.. this i have pondered on for a long while.. my thoery from what i can gather out of stan's work is.. (this is for tapered cavity) the high energy state ozone/ionized O3 is short of many more electrons then low energy state ozone..

… what?  Outlaw really has no idea why that is such a stupid thing to say?  Yet who around here will challenge it?

We’ve got Blobstick talking crap, Ramset talking in riddles, not even capable of putting together a full sentence and Kinesis compliantly falling in line and adding his own unique brand of mindless stupidity.

And of course Hydro continues to be the flag bearer…

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Confirm to your self that small engines idle at 6 to 800 rpm's and not 1k.

…what?   How many ICEs do you know of that make a full revolution just once every 10 seconds!!

And for Christ’s sake, Hydro’s talking about ‘wasted hydroxy’?? 

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So if stevies engine was really running on 480 millilers per min then this must mean he wasted 3.5 liters of hydroxy. Where in the shit did it go?

Any excess hydroxy (and there won’t be any) is still there until the next inlet stroke. It isn’t wasted and doesn’t magically disappear… what is wrong with you people?!!

My car is dual fuel and can run on both gas (not gasoline) as well as petrol, and believe me gas (or petrol) doesn’t get wasted between strokes.

The banning of Buzz is certainly a major triumph for the Muppet Brigade, but in reality a real blow for the science, which will now blatantly follow Alice down the rabbit hole and into Wonderland. 

Around here, real Physics, Chemistry, Maths, Electronics and of course English are like some mysterious black art that should be steered well clear of, just in case it does not conform to the mindless gibberish.

Hydrocars has infected every other similar forum, and I suppose the nonsense on this thread – and many others - will now become rampant and continue unchecked, further deterring the keener minds from joining the forum and possibly contributing something useful.

What I don’t understand is why they feel the need to reduce these forums to the gutter when they have IONIZATIONX.com.

There will clearly come a point whereby you misfits will be the only people on any of the forums, patting each other on the back for every ridiculous post, continually making false claims and generally talking nonsense, while undoubtedly remaining the laughing stock of the community.

Evidently here, science and intellect has to make way for fantasy and stupidity. I suggest that if this is what the world is coming to we have much bigger things to worry about than the forthcoming fuel crisis!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: stevie1001 on March 04, 2009, 01:07:35 PM
Do what you will with this thread

 Do I care what people think of me ??

 NOOOOOO.... this is not about me

Why is ionization a members only ?

Do you care what peeps think about that??

 here's a guy that makes alot of sence and doesn't hide behind a curtain

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3217-stanley-meyer-explained-7.html

 Chet


OPEN SOURCE OR STUFF IT

Hi Ramset,

Its Steve from ionizationx. The only reason for closing de automatic doors of my forum are the spam bots. I got everyday many new members. All from spambots and they placed adverts on the forum.
Well. My forum is not my work, but sometimes it looks like it very much.
So, i have to get a confirmation from all new members who they are and why they want to have access.  I hope you understand.

br
Steve
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 04, 2009, 01:14:55 PM
Steve

How do other forums run as view only ?

No posting unless your a member?

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: stevie1001 on March 04, 2009, 01:16:41 PM
TheBuzz and his other 2 usernames
Meltdown and CabinBoy are banned now.

He violated many of the forum´s TOS and he was warned already
in earlier times.
Also I deleted one of his messages,
where he revealed personal information of another user.

Regards, Stefan.(admin)

Very good Stefan.

br
Steve
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 04, 2009, 01:28:30 PM
Farah Day

If you can contribute useful information ?

you should

Chet

The proof is in the pudding

Not the talk [Theories]
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 04, 2009, 03:38:32 PM
Spewing

After reading your posts on wasting  Hydroxy

Your point is well taken  .Only gas that gets in when the intake valve is open actually does work!!

We dont need hydroxy to purge out burnt exhaust or waste during the rest of the strokes[3]

With a flame front of 8500 Feet per second [it all gets burned [not like gasoline or PETROL]

So it sounds like comparing HHO   BTU  TO GASOLINE BTU [for power purpose] ,and injecting the equivalent HHO at the right instant [instead of free flow through a carburetor] is what you are getting at

Myself

I would like to take smaller steps.Your success with no electrolyte ,Is HUGE ,just how huge would be explained with a little more info

How many watts are you using in your last video with straight water?

I'm glad you are working on engines ,I would like to work on home heating. less moving parts faster results and some anomalies about HHO and different metals ,ceramics that should be open sourced

If you can share any of what you are doing to make that much gas with no poisonous additives,

That would be fantastic!!

This is the key to HHO and home heating ''pure water''[within reason] no electrolyte ,no chimney ,all heat does work!!

Chet

This is already being done in south Korea [a secret process ]

 http://www.browngas.com/eng_bestkorea/history_1.htm
OPEN SOURCE!!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 04, 2009, 04:19:37 PM
i would say this is one of the most important statement stan makes when it comes to gas production.in the wfc tech.
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In each and all "Space State" of changes,
the combustible gas atoms of water is/are "Electrically Stress" under "different" pressure levels to bring-on
the triggering point of thermally igniting the combustible gases of water beyond or away from "Stable State"
of Equilibrium. Voltage Tickling of State Space under "Resonant Electrical Stress" without amp influxing
while "Tuning-ln" to the dielectric properties of water is herein referred to in this WFC Tech-manual as
"Resonant Action."

"resonant electrical stress"... he means so much more by that then most people can see at the moment... its not just hiting the cell with equal volts it oscillates as well.. you will see stan speaks of static voltage and dynamic voltage.. those are two different types of application of the voltage and those two in combination with waterfuel cell he calls "resonant electrical stress" if it was just the voltage being applied wouldnt he call it somthing like resonant voltage stress? if i were to compare the way the cell is hit.. i would compare it to A/C but its not the same..if i were to name it my self i would name it S/C switching current.. see A/C is using the electrons in wire to alternate. S/C allows the potentials to remain on there sides.. like the positive will be switching on and off while only putting off a positve field.. the negative side will have the electrons.. oscillating like a/c.. when turned on and off..  ..image hitting it in this sequence in repetition...
+B/0v                   +B/-B                    0v/-B
dynamic                static                    dynamic

outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 04, 2009, 04:22:28 PM
My choice was to Allow all guest to read the ionization website, after i seen clearly that private sites is not good. The Reason you have to become a member at ionizationx.com to view anything is because stevie has gotton over 200 + advertisers and bots registering on his forum, I guess Stevie does not like bots and advertisers on his forum would be my guess. So that's the reason its members only... At least that's what I've been told.

I do care about what people think about ionizationx.com because i created it, At the time of its creation i wouldn't allow allot of stans devices on that forum. The forum was created just for Stanly's alternator. Its Stevie's forum, he runs it the way he wants, he deletes or adds to it what he wants. Me and Stevie are like brothers, I have mentioned to him that i wanted the forum certain ways (because it effects my appearance), also told him that i wouldn't carry the name that the forum was starting to give me,,, Which was free energy devices. I do not like to be known personally for claiming a free energy device if you want the truth, and if ionizationx comes down to that I'll leave! That's what i mentioned to Stevie and he also agrees somewhat.

There is nothing wrong with searching for Overunity devices, its just not who "hydrocars" is, or what he does. I pretty much am trying to crack this and run an engine on very low amounts of hydrogen and explain the workings rather than refer to it as free energy, all though it could be free energy i doubt you'll here it coming from me.

So if you come into our site with an overunity attitude, you probably will not catch my attention.

I am only a member there that enforces the rules that i mostly make, which the only rules there is be civil, do not take over other members threads, and no scroll posting in someone Else's thread, I usually give warning a few times before i take action. If i give warning to that member I'll be watching them. I've adjusted dankies attitude and I've also banned him, I also ask him to fix his attitude and come back to my forum. He clearly See's my way of direction and i have gained much respect from him, i also respect dankie as you all can see.  I would have respected buzz and give him a chance, Sometimes when you are as far gone as buzz was your better off not to attempt it. Dankie has become a changed person weather you know it or not.

I didn't think that kid would ever gain respect, but he did. I put my faith in the fact i could clean him up, and thats what i did. Today he still remains an ionization member, and he is one of our most active members. In fact, i just sent him an instant message because i'm concerned why he hasn't been posting much. i'm thinking he could have been threatened. I warned him to stay away from buzz since he was selling wire, and i have reason to believe buzz is an lawyer, "since he appears to know if what we're doing is illegal or not."

The reason i did not take action on buzz back then,, He had me between a rock and a hard spot, this could be where dankie is. Well,, It's not so easy to put me there a second time since stevie took the rock.   

When i started this thread i had a goal, Now its goal has been meet. Its not wasted space, and it should not be deleted.

Some amateur hacker is trying o hack my comps , I had to shut down my 2 comps wich had XP yesterday . Only my bro's comp , the vista comp caught the burglar , its a program that tries to access my comp but gets blocked by vista .

Its like , when I click on an icon like the home icon for example , a download starts without my consent and my mouse is frozen , this has happened to me on this site and on energeticforum.com ( when I was using a proxy for that site ) . Had to shut down my power supply in a panic .

This is * pissing me off , cant open my comps now .
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 04, 2009, 07:59:01 PM
Quote
Traveling Voltage Wave-Guides
The formation of tubular Traveling Voltage Wave-guide (570a).of Figure (7-12) (WFC memo
426) as to (770) of Figure (8-1) is physically formed when positive electrical voltage surface (661E9)
and negative electrical voltage surface (671E 10) are placed in parallel space relationship to form
voltage surfaces (E91E1O) about an cylindrical axis of rotation having space-gap (35) there between ... and thus, fanning Cylindrical Resonant Cavity (730A) of Figure (7-12) as to (770A) of Figure
(8-1) when space-gap (616) of Figure (720) exposes injected water bath (85) to unipolar puIse-oscillation
of high voltage intensity of opposite polarity (67/66) as to (780) of Figure (8-2) which, in turn, propagates
opposite electrical attraction force (RR' _ 88') of Figure (7-4), as illustrated in (590) of Figure (6-2) as to
(585) of Figure (8-1).


i just want to point out in the very begining of the voltage wave guide section.. it say's unipolar pulse-OSCILLATION.. of high voltage intensity of OPPOSITE POLARITY..   i don't think people understand this.. so heres the definition.

Oscillation

1. The act of oscillating; a swinging or moving backward and forward, like a pendulum; vibration.

2. Fluctuation; variation; change back and forth.


poâ‹…larâ‹…iâ‹…ty
 –noun
1.    Physics.
a.    the property or characteristic that produces unequal physical effects at different points in a body or system, as a magnet or storage battery.
b.    the positive or negative state in which a body reacts to a magnetic, electric, or other field.
2.    the presence or manifestation of two opposite or contrasting principles or tendencies.
3.    Linguistics.
a.    (of words, phrases, or sentences) positive or negative character.
b.    polar opposition.

outlaw



Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 04, 2009, 09:46:35 PM
Oh man,, some people never stop do they
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 04, 2009, 11:00:24 PM
Spewing,

so whats your saying is you had stevie use a 2 cycle motor so it was able to keep a smoother flow rate to keep up with fuel gas entering carb? while cylinder ones valve closes the second one is opening? vice versa.. so if you had more cylinder more valves and smoother flow rate right? then with a small one cylinder you would want to decrease its flow rate to where during valve closed time it adds to the actual amount needed for when it opens? that would save alot of wasted gas from running rich right? is that the main point were running way to rich and need to lean it out?


outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 04, 2009, 11:38:47 PM
Well boys, I see you’ve now got the place pretty much to yourselves - a real triumph for mindless stupidity… hope you’re all proud of yourselves.

I see too that ‘Hydro and his merry men’ are all now getting on famously without the constant interjection of some intelligent member trying to bring a little sense to the forum.

Yes, this thread had become a total waste of space and a real exercise in stupidity, but as pointed out earlier, it started that way from page one.

Stefan, I’m certainly not condoning Buzz’s actions in displaying personal information, but as you have now banned one of the very few people educated enough to hold an intelligent conversation with, while at the same time letting this bunch of misfits carry on their merry nonsense, I’m rather wondering what the point of the forum is?

Civil though they may now be, even the last few posts of nonsense provide more than enough information to highlight the fact that this forum is being overrun by retards.

We’ve got Outlaw wondering how to make hydroxy burn more efficiently…

… what?  Outlaw really has no idea why that is such a stupid thing to say?  Yet who around here will challenge it?

We’ve got Blobstick talking crap, Ramset talking in riddles, not even capable of putting together a full sentence and Kinesis compliantly falling in line and adding his own unique brand of mindless stupidity.

And of course Hydro continues to be the flag bearer…

…what?   How many ICEs do you know of that make a full revolution just once every 10 seconds!!

And for Christ’s sake, Hydro’s talking about ‘wasted hydroxy’?? 

Any excess hydroxy (and there won’t be any) is still there until the next inlet stroke. It isn’t wasted and doesn’t magically disappear… what is wrong with you people?!!

My car is dual fuel and can run on both gas (not gasoline) as well as petrol, and believe me gas (or petrol) doesn’t get wasted between strokes.

The banning of Buzz is certainly a major triumph for the Muppet Brigade, but in reality a real blow for the science, which will now blatantly follow Alice down the rabbit hole and into Wonderland. 

Around here, real Physics, Chemistry, Maths, Electronics and of course English are like some mysterious black art that should be steered well clear of, just in case it does not conform to the mindless gibberish.

Hydrocars has infected every other similar forum, and I suppose the nonsense on this thread – and many others - will now become rampant and continue unchecked, further deterring the keener minds from joining the forum and possibly contributing something useful.

What I don’t understand is why they feel the need to reduce these forums to the gutter when they have IONIZATIONX.com.

There will clearly come a point whereby you misfits will be the only people on any of the forums, patting each other on the back for every ridiculous post, continually making false claims and generally talking nonsense, while undoubtedly remaining the laughing stock of the community.

Evidently here, science and intellect has to make way for fantasy and stupidity. I suggest that if this is what the world is coming to we have much bigger things to worry about than the forthcoming fuel crisis!


You are either crazy or you ARE TheBuzz ...

This is TheBuzz trying to understand figure 6-1 , this expert researcher thought tought the flux lines were ''secret toroids'' ... Lol can you believe this stuff , can you fkin believe this goverment confusion artist . How stupid can stupid get ?

He was here for one thing alone , to confuse the reader . He doesnt need to win the argument , he just spams with new bullshit all the time .

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6702.310
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 05, 2009, 12:08:42 AM
yeah i sent that quote to hartmann so maybe he will see what were talking about. with the negativity being directed towards fellow experimenters.. maybe we can get it where the nonsense is banned off the thread in the near future.. so all i can suggest farrahday whoever you are.. we dont find it propper to down peoples ideas as if there incorrect and false especially when there not wrong, the info may not pertain the way we perceive it to..
the buzz was the only exception for us to use negative force to try to repel his negativity out of here.. and if you want to keep up your negative non usefull input then i beleive mr hartmann will agree to get rid of you... there are no jokes on this site.. its for serious discussion.. possibly debating but not debating with negative throw backs like  the use of the words stupid, dependtards and so on. they will not be tolerated anymore. you wanna joke around and talk trash go find you a fighting blog to do it on.. go call them idiots and ramp and rage all you want.. this is not a game here, its the future.

outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Dave45 on March 05, 2009, 01:19:15 AM
Meyer's also said you could mix with ambient air to change the burn rate so you need to figure out the mix and then meter your gas to get the correct flow rate.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 01:49:41 AM
Outlaw
Dave @all

Here is an interesting analogy by H2 0 power [an absolute saint[added by Chet]


Has anyone ever wondered about Stanley Meyer's statement of using any water source for use as fuel? Most of us have an understanding about how the Water Fuel Capacitor(WFC) works, so we know if you put salt water in it the amp use goes up. We know that the water needs to be fairly consistent and the purer the better or the resonance will be swinging all over the place. Changing temperatures also have this effect on WFC's. So how did Meyer solve this problem? How could he now make this claim of using any water as a fuel source? He did so by getting rid of the WFC, and let the energy of the primed air gases break the water down for him.

It takes 1836 kJ/mol to break the bonds of water under normal conditions this number was discovered by Dr. Faraday many years ago. Now if you take into account what the Gas Processor is doing is striping electrons from the air making them have a much higher energy content then the answer of where this energy comes from to break the water down is in the air itself.

Looking at the reactions to break and form the water molecule:
4 H-O 459 kJ/mol bonds are broken taking 1836 kJ/mol to do so.
2 H-H 436 kJ/mol bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 498 kJ/mol are formed yeilding 1370 kJ/mol.
This is why all scientist say it takes more energy to break the bonds of water than you get from combining them, for the net sum of the reaction is negative, 1370-1836 = -466 kJ/mol.

Lets us look at just oxygen, since it is the important part of the reaction, here are the energy levels of oxygen:
1st 1313.9 kJ/mol
2nd 3388.3 kJ/mol
3rd 5300.5 kJ/mol
4th 7469.2 kJ/mol                O2 an accelerator [as per user Buzz] [Chet added this phrase]
5th 10909.5 kJ/mol
6th 13326.5 kJ/mol
7th 71330.0 kJ/mol
8th 84078.0 kJ/mol

Now the 1st level doesn't have enough energy to get any useful energy yield out of it this way so you must get the oxygen at minimum to it's 2nd level of ionization.

The new reaction to form the water molecule 1st energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 1313.9 kJ/mol are formed yeilding 2185.9 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is positive 2185.9-1836 = +349.9 kJ/mol, so now we are getting more energy out than in. But this reaction is still less than the 495 kJ/mol of gasoline. So what do we do? Strip more electrons.

2nd energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 3388.3 kJ/mol are formed yeilding 4260.3 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 4260.3-1836 = +2424.3 kJ/mol, now that is 4.9 times as much energy as the reaction for gasolines 495 kJ/mol.
Since Meyer says he used the 4th energy level or lower lets look at that reaction.
The new reaction to form the water molecule at the 4th energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol are formed yeilding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/mol

It is easy to see how Meyer got his dune buggy to run on only an hho production rate of 7L/min now is it not? Now you can see the Oxygen has enough energy to break down the water molecule and re-react with it yeilding these high numbers. The electron affinity is what is taking place here, I belive, for the unstable Oxygen atoms wants the Hydrogen atoms more than the normal Oxygen atom holding the water molecule together does.
Now we can instigate a fight, for one of the class mates wants what the other has, all we have too do is spark them off



Now let us take another look at what Stanley Meyer has to say about this in his patent;

Thermal Explosive Energy
Exposing the expelling "laser-primed" and "electrically charged" combustible gas ions (exiting from
Gas Resonant Cavity) to a thermal-spark or heat-zone causes thermal gas-ignition, releasing thermal
explosive energy (gmt) beyond the Gas-Flame Stage, as illustrated in Figure (1-19) as to (1-18). { What this is saying is you can use a spark plug or high compression to set off the reaction.}
Thermal Atomic interaction (gmt) is caused when the combustible gas ions (from water) fail to
unite or form a Covalent Link-up or Covalent Bond between the water molecule atoms. as
illustrated in Figure (1-19). The oxygen atom having less than four covalent electrons (Electron
Extraction Process) is unable to reach "Stable-State" (six to eight covalent electrons required) when
the two hydrogen atoms seeks to form the water molecule during thermal gas ignition. { This is saying that Meyer stripped the oxygen atom to its' 4th ionization energy level of 7469.2 kJ/mol or less than the 4th energy level. Why because the oxygen atom has eight electrons in its' outer orbit, so my only 2nd needed level might not be enough.}
The absorbed Laser energy (Va. Vb and V c) weakens the "Electrical Bond" between the orbital
electrons and the nucleus of the atoms; while, at the same time, electrical attraction-force (qq'),
being stronger than "Normal" due to the lack of covalent electrons. "Locks Onto" and "Keeps" the
hydrogen electrons. These “abnormal” or “unstable” conditions cause the combustible gas ions to
over compensate and breakdown into thermal explosive energy (gmt). { What this part is saying is that these primed oxygen atoms have enough energy to break the water down and re-react with it, with more energy yield than just the hydrogen/oxygen reaction in air alone. Plus tells that the photonic energy is also stripping electrons from the oxygen atom.} This Atomic Thermal Interaction between highly energized combustible gas ions is hereinafter called "The Hydrogen Fracturing Process."
By simply attenuating or varying voltage amplitude in direct relationship to voltage pulse-rate
determines Atomic Power-Yield under controlled state. { This part is telling us that by simply raising/lowering the voltage we can control the power output of the reaction, and he went and grouped terms again.}

Also in the patent:
The Hydrogen Fracturing Process dissociates the water molecule
by way of voltage stimulation, ionizes the combustible gases by
electron ejection and, then, prevents the formation of the water
molecule during thermal gas ignition ... releasing thermal
explosive energy beyond "normal" gas burning levels under
control state ... and the atomic energy process is environmentally
safe.

Abstract of WO9222679
An injector system comprising an improved
method and apparatus useful in the production of
a hydrogen containing fuel gas from water in a
process in which the dielectric property of water
and/or a mixture of water and other components
determines a resonate condition that produces a
breakdown of the atomic bonding of atoms in the
water molecule. The injector delivers a mixture of
water mist(1), ionized gases(2), and non-
combustible gas(3) to a zone or locus(5) within
which the breakdown process leading to the
release of elemental hydrogen from the water
molecules occurs. {This is giving us the formula needed to break down water into its elemental forms hydrogen and oxygen with just the Gas Processor and a spark or high heat from a high compression type engine16:1 or higher. The need of the firestorm type spark plug is a must so that it makes sure the reaction occurs, that would be considered the locus. That formula is: water mist, ionized gases, noncombustible gas, and spark or heat ignition.}

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Dave45 on March 05, 2009, 02:04:09 AM
Makes allot of sense, did Meyer get completely away from the wfc or did he use it with the injector, if used in conjunction with the injector it wouldnt take much hydroxy at all.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 02:09:34 AM
DAVE

THE EVOLUTION HAD NO WFC

Dave won't leave you hangin  be back with a link

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 05, 2009, 02:18:14 AM
H2opower always was a great tester , not !!!!!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 02:21:27 AM
Heres What H20 power does when he';s not copying and pasting

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3217-stanley-meyer-explained-7.html

Who would ban that????

Chet

from 2007

PS would love to see one of Dankies builds [seeing how you say you banned a guy like H20power]

You MUST have some amazing builds!!

They MUST be better than what he is posting!!

ME DON"T EVEN ASK, NOTHING NO BUILDS But I"M NOT THROWING STONES!!!

And I"M NOT HIDING IN A MEMBERS ONLY FORUM

OPEN SOURCE OR STUFF IT!!!

STILL HERE STILL LEARNING!!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 05, 2009, 02:36:45 AM
Heres What H20 power does when he';s not copying and pasting

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3217-stanley-meyer-explained-7.html

Who would ban that????

Chet

from 2007

He got banned because he pissed Stevie about something , he got a 2 week ban but decided to never return  , it is a good thing for him because his ego was getting hurt too much by me ...

His coil design is wrong and so is his winding , wrong wire also .

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 02:55:27 AM
DANKIE

TWO YEARS AGO

This guy was making bobbins ,

 The same ones you posted LAST week ,like they were the second coming?

The wire I don't know?

Chet

PS but I am quite sure HE DOES
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 05, 2009, 02:55:36 AM
sdggsg

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 03:12:20 AM
DESPISE {I meen DANKIE

WHERE IS THE LOVE????

SHOW WHAT YOU HAVE THATS A 1000 TIMES BETTER!!!

I WILL KISS YOUR ASS IN MACY'S WINDOW AND CARRY YOU AROUND ON MY SHOULDERS

Chet

OPEN SOURCE OR STUFF IT
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Dave45 on March 05, 2009, 03:15:09 AM

I WILL KISS YOUR ASS IN MACY'S WINDOW AND CARRY YOU AROUND ON MY SHOULDERS

Chet

LOL
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 03:18:24 AM
Dave
I have completely had it with the secret handshake club

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 05, 2009, 03:19:07 AM
DESPISE {I meen DANKIE

WHERE IS THE LOVE????

SHOW WHAT YOU HAVE THATS A 1000 TIMES BETTER!!!

I WILL KISS YOUR ASS IN MACY'S WINDOW AND CARRY YOU AROUND ON MY SHOULDERS

Chet

OPEN SOURCE OR STUFF IT

I see you are being TheBuzz's ambassador ...

Is this what TheBuzz has specified you to do ...

Its not enough for TheBuzz to try and hack my comp , that crazy guy holds grudges forever , and you are his servant  .

The good old classic ,  question my contribution technique , perhaps if you looked at my links (probably too lazy) ... BTW those are my friends contributions , all the love goes to them .

Little sophist cheerleader , your time is up looser , Im gonna destroy all the controllers .

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=132
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 03:32:28 AM
DANKIE

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SMOKIN

BUZZ"S BITCH ??

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING????

I SEE SMELL BULLSHIT, PUT UP OR SHUT UP

YOU BANNED [or STEVIE] H20 POWER

ALL YOU HAVE POSTED ARE WIRE ADVERTISING OR AUCTION PICS

POST SOME MEAT!!!

CHET

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 05, 2009, 03:34:52 AM
sdfdg
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 05, 2009, 03:39:19 AM
Just a note for those of you that do not know.....Buzz=Farrah Day.  This is easily checked out by anyone that knows anything about computers, and, even if you don't just look at the syntax and writing style......very obvious.  Check the IP address and you will see what I am saying is true.

Bill
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 03:46:59 AM
THANKS BILL

DANKIE   PATHETIC GRAB AWAY   

LIKE I SAID YOU TALK SHIT ABOUT H20power

BUT YOUR REBUTTAL IS LIKE A WARM GLASS OF BEER {PISS}

YOU ARE A SALESMAN WITH AN AGENDA

OR YOU JUST MAKE UNSUBSTANTIATED CLAIMS

WHILE PUTTING DOWN AN OPEN SOURCE ENGINEER  THAT ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTES [H20 POWER]

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 05, 2009, 03:48:42 AM
Thanks,, dude...
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 03:52:08 AM
@all

This topic is HOT smokin hot

A few folks with a secret [profit] agenda are trying to steer it

NO WAY

THERE ARE TO MANY PLACES BUSTING OUT WITH THIS INFO

OPEN SOURCE!!

CHET
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 05, 2009, 04:12:08 AM
Well i started having problems with farraday over an year ago, then it was later when waterboy entered into my site, "buzz." So you can do the math on that. Perhaps farraday is buzz using a proxy, so that his glory name "Farraday" doesn't get band. and also buzz and farraday both try and lecture me on the lithium atom, "i think they're the same people to." When you ban a member you have a choice of banning their ip, or "Computer host name" or both. Perhaps if his computer host name has been banned he is using an laptop, spare computer or something of that. If he was using a proxy then he could have gotton a new ip address that way. Buzz seems like the type to know how all that works, "I don't have time to learn computers inside and out."

Btw, Dankie. You haven't been following the post, Buz is gone so chillTF out! We just got done discussing how we can be civil now.

It was H20's on choice not to come back to the forum, At least i can say H20 is a researcher and he is not like Buzz. So h20 does have an heart for this
technology,, So he shows effort, let him be! Let all the testers That show interest Be! Most of the ones that cause problems is the ones like farraday that doesn't test anything.

H20 is a tester!


Yeah but The_Buzz's shadow still lurks amoungst us , and H2OPower is attacking me on energeticforum . How can I go along with this .

I will however spare H2O since he looks like a good christian , but that guy needs to listen to other ppl more .
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 05, 2009, 04:22:19 AM
Yeah but The_Buzz's shadow still lurks amoungst us , and H2OPower is attacking me on energeticforum . How can I go along with this .

I will however spare H2O since he looks like a good christian , but that guy needs to listen to other ppl more .

Just respect others and i'm sure they'll respect you back. Unlike the buz case, he couldn't have been respected.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 05, 2009, 04:24:45 AM
@all

This topic is HOT smokin hot

A few folks with a secret [profit] agenda are trying to steer it

NO WAY

THERE ARE TO MANY PLACES BUSTING OUT WITH THIS INFO

OPEN SOURCE!!

CHET





Profit is only fools gold. Any wise person can see that the current economic situation is as manufactured as 9-11 was. We are going to be harvested soon. The only possible way of survival is if we help each other and not think in self-survival mode.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 04:25:23 AM
SO DANKIE WHY ARE YOU ERASING ALL YOUR POSTS?????????????????

PLEASE DON"T THINK FOR A SECOND THAT I WILL NOT SHARE THIS TECH ,OPEN SOURCE EVERY CHANCE I GET!!!

SECRET HAND SHAKE CLUBS CAN ROT IN HELL [AND THEY WILL}

CHET

STEVY OPEN UP YOUR FORUM
IF YOU DON"T KNOW HOW ASK STEFAN HE WILL SHOW YOU!!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 05, 2009, 04:27:03 AM
i can go with most of what ramset was saying except for the ignition process.. i dont believe highly energized o3 and nitrogen oxide can cause the water to seperate before the ignition process nor do i think that a ordinary spark is what ignites the fuel.. since you wont seperate water in that maner... water is a positve compund itself and is stable.  it has to go threw the injector to seperate the water.. since you have the highly charged o3 in the mix during resonant electrical stress electrons from the water snap of and they go and cling to the o3 turning it back to O2.. covalent bond was also broken.. we know the hydrogen isnt attracted to positive ozone..since its missing electrons and the oxygen that was bonded to hydrogen before covalent break up since it lost electrons to the o3 now is also positively charged.. so hydrogen now looses the fight of keeping its electron to the oxygens since there stonger and need the electron just to try to reach normal stability. by doing so the gasses are all still very unstable(missing electrons) so during the ignition it cannot stabilize causing higher thermal energy...

i will take note on knowing that the water is getting the highly positve charged o3 (missing electrons) in fluid mixing chamber.. and one might ask why stans water displacement pump and all that good stuff is delrin..(highly insulated)  maybe this if to keep the highly charged O3 from electron source (ground) when working its way to be used in injector.?


outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 05, 2009, 04:35:54 AM
i can go with most of what ramset was saying except for the ignition process.. i dont believe highly energized o3 and nitrogen oxide can cause the water to seperate before the ignition process nor do i think that a ordinary spark is what ignites the fuel.. since you wont seperate water in that maner... water is a positve compund itself and is stable.  it has to go threw the injector to seperate the water.. since you have the highly charged o3 in the mix during resonant electrical stress electrons from the water snap of and they go and cling to the o3 turning it back to O2.. covalent bond was also broken.. we know the hydrogen isnt attracted to positive ozone..since its missing electrons and the oxygen that was bonded to hydrogen before covalent break up since it lost electrons to the o3 now is also positively charged.. so hydrogen now looses the fight of keeping its electron to the oxygens since there stonger and need the electron just to try to reach normal stability. by doing so the gasses are all still very unstable(missing electrons) so during the ignition it cannot stabilize causing higher thermal energy...

i will take note on knowing that the water is getting the highly positve charged o3 (missing electrons) in fluid mixing chamber.. and one might ask why stans water displacement pump and all that good stuff is delrin..(highly insulated)  maybe this if to keep the highly charged O3 from electron source (ground) when working its way to be used in injector.?


outlawstc

As long as this injector can provide much heat and thrust I'll be happy .
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 04:36:04 AM
OUTLAW
thanks for your responce and contribution

the analogy I presented belongs to h20 power

HERE [it is his not mine]

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3217-stanley-meyer-explained-7.html

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 05, 2009, 04:36:09 AM
Dankies only 16 year's old, I guess he removed his post to show his respect.

The impact negative users can cause. Let me say this again, Buzz is gone so lets all hug necks and be civil again.


Cherio...
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 04:49:02 AM
SPEWING

are you/ Do you have ANY intention of sharing your tech on this Forum??

Chet

OPEN SOURCE IS OUR THEME HERE??

PS IF DANKIE IS 16

I am very impressed  and humbled
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 05:25:42 AM
SPEWING

Your comments would be welcome now

Chet

OPEN SOURCE OR NOT??

TIME IS WITHERING AWAY, MORE HANDS MAKE EASY WORK
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 05, 2009, 05:51:26 AM
SPEWING

are you/ Do you have ANY intention of sharing your tech on this Forum??

Chet

OPEN SOURCE IS OUR THEME HERE??

PS IF DANKIE IS 16

I am very impressed  and humbled

I'll share when im ready to do so. So far i've pointed out how to "Confirm that these engines are already running on under 1 liter." You know the idel rpm, you know it takes 4 liters per min. This is my 3rd time of asking you to calculate it for yourself, and still you refuse to do so.

Will any member here be so kind to calculate roughly how much hydrogen these engines are really running on? I think i've pointed out an entirely lot! Do this math.

Quote my math, find errors in it, i do not care. Because i know my math is pretty darn close. I pointed out stevies engine was running on under 480 cc's of gas and farraday laughs at me because he doesn't understand it.

I stated, understand this by the time i get back, nobody here has made not 1 single effort!

Those that wants to understand, they will do the math! Again, i posted it 3 or 4 pages back.



When i started this thread, i had a goal. The goal was as i stated on december the 20th. This technology has 0 respect, and it is full of nasty users. You all should be civil to each other, and you shouldn't threat each other. I hope in some way that i've made an impact on cleaning it up. If you choose to keep it nasty then i want be in these nasty groups. I'm going back home to stevies, and if you get tired of the nasty's come over and visit. i will see to it you're taken care of.

This is a scientific tech, you cant force knowledge from a person. The definition of scientist is as follows; # One whose activities make use of the scientific method to answer questions regarding the measurable universe. ... | A person who studies natural phenomena in a systematic manner. | a person with advanced knowledge of one or more sciences  , Someone that researches something. Hence, A scientist is currently researching who the ripper really was, Their research hopes to reveal the killer.

You ask me if i am willing to share, i share what i have. I'm working on it. Put your science in how much gas is really running those engines and you'll see the light.  I feel as if i am begging you to do your homework?

The next time you hear from me i hope to have an running engine, You can make a choice, do your homework or hope someone will do it for you. You ask for direction and according to my research i've given you a road to follow. You know my direction, you know what i am trying to do. If not, then it can be determined by re reading the post here.

Good day, Brian
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 06:06:34 AM
Brian

Thankyou for the reply

I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for any vulgar language towards DANKIE

Please continue to share, God speed

Chet

PS this spot is gonna be HOT

OPEN SOURCE BABY
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 05, 2009, 06:23:22 AM
a 350 chevy spewing,

5736.5 cc's , 500 rpm  8 revolutions per second,  air to hydrogen ratio-70:1, volumetric efficiency 50%
percent air in each cylinder 91.46% ,      h2 per cylinder 8.53%,     
required h2   2040.603cc per second? @500 rpms


outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 05, 2009, 06:33:50 AM
a 350 chevy spewing,

5736.5 cc's , 500 rpm  8 revolutions per second,  air to hydrogen ratio-70:1, volumetric efficiency 50%
percent air in each cylinder 91.46% ,      h2 per cylinder 8.53%,     
required h2   2040.603cc per second? @500 rpms


outlawstc

Its better to learn the forumlas on a single cylinder engine and practice on it, Showing your work will allow others to understand what you're doing. I shown the work to whomever wants to pick it to death. The same formula can be applied to a 2,3 , 4, 8  or 12 cylinder engine. Start simple and work your way up.

Btw, i havent even begun to share the effect of hydrogen when it burns Down instead of up.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 06:44:47 AM
Brian
onto whomsoever much is given much is required

Chet

good night all
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 05, 2009, 06:46:12 AM
burning down huh.. theres only one answer for that i can guess and that is the hydrogen clings to carbon and the carbon is evenly distributed  so since it burns slower and doesnt shoot for the ceiling from being so light.. do to clinging to carbon. you can burn from any given point not just down?


outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 05, 2009, 07:13:30 AM
500 Rpm, 8.3333333333333333333333333333333 rps

Intake valve openings in one second for one cylinder, 4.15 times per second.

Intake valve stays open an total of 2.075 revs a second.

Every 240 milliseconds the valve on number one cylinder will open.

Time per 1 complet rev, 120 milliseconds. Time to remain open 60 Milliseconds for opening or 249 milliseconds for all 4 openings.

5736 Liters per min, Flow rate, 95.6 cc's per second.
10.4 milliseconds per 1 cc

Total valve open time 249ms / 10.4 23.9 cc's per that half of second. Roughly quick estimate, you need under 11.95 cc's per second per cylinder to run this engine according to your 5 liter claim. you need 71.7 cc's per second flow rate for all 6 cylinders. Estimated Gas to run this engine, Under 4.3 liters. Wasted gas, around 1.3 liters. V6 is bad for health.

See how i quickly calculated that, its not perfect, but it gives you ideal on how to calculate it.

Understand the delivery method used with the one not used. The above is bascily a rough estimate of what you "Was" using to idle your engine, and what you "was" wasting because you improperly delivered it to your engine. V6 is bad for health.

You must direct inject 5.9 cc's per valve opening time into your cylinder, With a smaller single cylinder engine its calculated you must inject atleast 2.4 cc's per valve opening time. Smaller cars is ideal.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 05, 2009, 07:28:53 AM
why is v6 bad for health? the cylinders are to small in volume? and never burn all the gas off?

outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 05, 2009, 07:37:29 AM
why is v6 bad for health? the cylinders are to small in volume? and never burn all the gas off?

outlawstc

lol, what i meant was you have lots of pistons, theres no need for that... you want to run a car not fly a rocket. My calculations is based on the information you have provided me with,,, if you feel you can produce the 4. whatever i said liters pretty easy then its all luxary, thats what your engine wants, learn how to give it to it.

Study the math, you'll find a spot that seems unclear, it'll come to ya if you think about it, you must have a "mechanical mind."

I just feel like a v6 isn't needed because it uses so much more gas, i mean you have 2 more pistons on it than you would a 4 cylinder, myself, i like my 3 cylinder car, Pisses me off when i cant see around a big v6 LOL. 
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: sushimoto on March 05, 2009, 09:06:35 AM
@all

This topic is HOT smokin hot

A few folks with a secret [profit] agenda are trying to steer it

NO WAY

THERE ARE TO MANY PLACES BUSTING OUT WITH THIS INFO

OPEN SOURCE!!

CHET

Hi,
Is there any text file, which collects relevant information?
Its always better , to save such facts into a file to hard discs for further spreading.
Threads are fragile and easy to disturb by diversifying and such.

best,
sushi
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 03:07:37 PM
SUSHIMOTO

The gentle man [H20 power]  is summarizing all info as we speak I will post that when he is finished

Till then here is some very good info[From h20power]

     Like I said the WFC is NOT IMPORTANT it is the GAS PROCESSER that is the key to this technology.

Some numbers for you to think over:

Gasloine has a energy level of 495 kJ/mol
H2 + 1/2O2 has an energy level of 285 kJ/mol

Now this is what happens when it passes through the Gas Processor:
1st ionozation level,
H 1312 + 1/2 O 1313.9 = 1968.85 kJ/mol         
2nd for oxygen,
H 1312 + 1/2 O 3388.3 = 3006.15 kJ/mol     "" AN accelerator[as outlined by the user Buzz]""
3rd for oxygen,                                                    [added by chet]
H 1312 + 1/2 O 5300.5 = 3962.25 kJ/mol

Now you can see just what the Gas Processor is doing. Note, depending on how far you ionize the Oxygen the energy levels keep going up to end up with this:
H 1312 + 1/2 O 84,078.0 = 43,351 kJ/mol. Now that's energy

If you get to any one of these energy states it will run your engine with ease. So, the key is to make the Gas Processor and make it to ionize the gases that go through too a energy state as far as you can so you can get these energy levels to put in the cumbustion chamber and ignite them. I suggest to make two of them one for the incoming air and the other for the hho from what every source you choose to get the hho from. Now you can see just how Stanley Meyer ran his 1.6L VW engine on just a 7L/min production rate.

Energy independence is now yours for the taking, enjoy,
h2opower

.Much more info  to follow  Chet

This link courtesy of AAron  K9 Passage of electricity through gases[this link will be fixed Chet]

                   THIS INFO ONCE AGAIN h20 power


                                     The water fuel capacitor is not needed to run a internal combustion engine. The gas processor is the key to Stanley Meyer's invention. In the end Stanley Meyer didn't use a water fuel capacitor with his injectors. The injectors sent in a charged water mist with the same concept as a Taylor cone, primed Oxygen atoms, and recirculated exhaust gases. There was a very little hydrogen produced from the LEDs on the side of the injector to get the reaction started once ignited in the combustion chamber. But with a firestorm type spark plug even that wouldn't be needed, just gotta love addvances in technology .

Example: If the gas processor creates Oxygen striped to it's second ionozation level that newly formed (primed) Oxygen has the energy to break the bonds of water and then react with it. Oxygen in it's second level has 3388 kJ/mol and it only takes 1368 kJ/mol to break the bonds of water, now do the math and you will see why the Gas Processor is the key too Meyer's invention, for you can strip Oxygen way past the 2nd level. Try it, do the math and see the results for youself .

As for using the store brought ionizers not sure but the EEC has to be in the circuit for it consumes the negetive electrons that where just striped from the atom. If the EEC is not put in the nutrual and the negetive electrons will be attracted to each other and your primed gases would be lost in short order. The EEC's job is to consume the negetive electrons so the negetive oxygen ions have nothing to combine with cuting down the probability that the primed gases will combine with anything on their way to the combustion chamber for they will repel each other for most of them will be negetive electrons.

Energy independence is now yours for the taking, enjoy,
h2opower

.Much more info  to follow  Chet


              MORE

This is not a hard part of Stanley Meyer's patent to build, and the one thing I want to point out is when Stanley Meyer switched from gas injectors to water injectors the Gas Processor is still apart of the set up, that to me is a sign that it is very important indeed. Even in the Gas Gun again we have the Gas Processor, why no one has ever built one yet is beyond me.

Whats the harm in building one, it's in the patent? If your going to follow Stanley Meyer's work why would you not make one? That's like building a Tesla coil without the spark gap, for all it is a gap in the electrical connection and air. Answer it's in the patent. So, what makes Meyer's patent any different? Build it, test it, and then get understanding if that aproach works best for you, but the bottom line it is in the patent and it is easy.

And remember if I made any mistakes in my math please correct them, for I am only human after all. But also remember any mistakes I made doesn't impair the Gas Processor from working.

The end of the age of oil is now here,
h2opower

an example of a gas processor from h20power

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQvXrxrqshk&feature=channel_page

More information on the Gas Processor see the attatchment for the injectors:
Stanley Meyer: Water Electrolysis -- Canadian Patent # 2067735 -- Water Fule Injection System
Then you will have to find an injector system that you can add in a high positive voltage zone to give the water mist a negetive charge same princable as a Taylor cone or Lord Kevins water battery YouTube - Walter Lewin Makes a Battery out of Cans and Water .

Follow Stanley Meyer on this one, though at this point the whole process became too simple, for he got rid of the WFC, but he kept everyone thinking that he did not, and he started missleading everyone for patent protection purposes. The Gas Gun shows a gas processor that is worth copying.

If you look at the patent and take a good look at the injectors you will notice that he says it is an isolated circuit yet it is bolted right to the head of the engine. The water injectors are not little WFC's they are to give the water molecules a charge, mix all of the need componets(ionized air gases, recirculated exhaust gases, and atomized water mist), and spark ignite it. The whole set up bypasses any vehicals existing fuel system and computer controls, but it is not the only way to get the job done. For what Stanley Meyer was trying to do it worked perfectly.

All three needed items can be delivered seperatly as you have already guessed(atomized water mist, ionized air gases, and recirculated exhuast gases). Then it becomes a trick to find which type of vehicals fuel system works well for this. Now Guass has it also right, you can get the job done with hho, but then you have to make sure that the hho mixture will never back flash for if it does with this much energy content there goes the intake system of the engine, gasous injectors are the safest route to go like that. Not sure how much hho will be needed to, but follow Stanley Meyer's lead and shoot for a pressurized system that maintains the hho at 15 psi or so.

I am for the water mist since that way is simplest and safest. And any water source can be used since it will be the ionized air gases breaking down the water molecules, and not some form of electronlysis. All of the frequency stuff can be found in the patent from 10k-50k Hz and Meyer gives his reasoning. When you let the ionized oxygen atoms break down the water molecule the whole system get very easy, do your homework and you will see .

Well, I hope that helps,

Best Regards,
h2opower.
                                MORE TO COME Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 05, 2009, 07:21:36 PM
I will not let you come here and share H2opowers's and TheBuzz's  misinformed opinions . I know we have to be civil but I see that you have found a loophole and are defending H20power's views , it just so happens that h2opower and TheBuzz share similar views so I cannot accept this .

The gas processor you see with the injector retrofit system is to ionize the ambient air . The taper injector replaces the cell unit and the Hydrogen gas processor , it is itself a gas-processor and cell @ the same time , the water fills up the injector every engine cycle . So we know the tube cell was replaced and that the gas processor was fed with hydroxy gas .  Ask youself what the hell that big bulky gas processor will process if the resonant cell is replaced by the injector and the water blows at the tip of the injector .... thats correct , the injector is the gas processor .

learn to use logic , learn to pay attention , do your fuckin homework

You probably saw this video but never realised that the answers to your confusion were right in this video. As you can see , the man himself says liquid water goes into the injector .

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6a3dq_oil-versus-water-the-water-fuel-inj_tech

Here is some proof , based on documents we have , not some el-cheapo opinions . From the tech brief and international independant report

Now if I see you trying to confuse the reader again I will do nasty to you .

We do not care about that gas processor , we are making the VIC and injector because that is the most KISS method .

When h2opower says the gas processor method with all the water mist nonsense he is 100% wrong and lying , the injector reftofit method is the more modern , less expensive  method . It is the way to go for the serious experimenter who looks @ logistics and costs , we are not all bench warmer cheeleaders like you who see this as fairy-tale land , this is real for us .



Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 05, 2009, 07:26:23 PM
this is the reference to the processor part from the retrofit system , as you can read its for ambient air ... Why so much confusion ramset when all the answer can be found by simply reading the damn thing ...
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 07:28:45 PM
Dankie

So your approach [beside mud slinging]

Is don't confuse me with the facts[math]

My mind is made up???

Intelligent people should be given all relevant information ,and science, to come to their own conclusions

Your ATTACKS AND NASTYNESS WILL NOT STOP OPENSOURCE

BUZZ HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS1!!! ''PERIOD''

Chet

I can also tell by your comments YOU HAVE"NT READ THE INFO POSTED ABOVE!!!!!

PS almost 9000 reads
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 05, 2009, 07:40:59 PM
Why dont we just aim some ambient air @ the reaction zone and slow down the burn rate  ?

Possible simple idea ...  I see the injector and VIC on its own as overunity if you can just get that part to work , on its own ... The rest is just the extra , once we have 10000 people working on this we will tackle all the other things .

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 05, 2009, 07:48:02 PM
Dankie

So your approach [beside mud slinging]

Is don't confuse me with the facts[math]

My mind is made up???

Intelligent people should be given all relevant information ,and science, to come to their own conclusions

Your ATTACKS AND NASTYNESS WILL NOT STOP OPENSOURCE

BUZZ HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS1!!! ''PERIOD''

Chet

I can also tell by your comments YOU HAVE"NT READ THE INFO POSTED ABOVE!!!!!

PS almost 9000 reads

The info you put up is the regurgitated 2 year old text that H2opower contantly posted on ionizationx.com .

I read that thing believe me , and it doesnt help me out in any real way ... no thx you

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 07:51:28 PM
Dankie

I am not through with my presentation yet!! [it will be summarized ]

Instead of jumping all over the place

Why don't you make a nice confluent presentation?

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 05, 2009, 07:59:30 PM
Dankie

I am not through with my presentation yet!! [it will be summarized ]

Instead of jumping all over the place

Why don't you make a nice confluent presentation?

Chet

Why dont YOU make a nice confluent presentation wuthout copy pasting H20power's words lol ... Funny guy .

Read the above and you will see I just present the info ,  I'm just looking @ the evidence and pointing out the contradictions .
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 08:02:57 PM
Dankie

 I"LL admit I have'nt read everything you cut and pasted above,but I will

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 08:04:20 PM
Dankie

I will make my presentation cleaner and shorter

How come you avoid the math??

This is  simple Chemistry And simple algebra

                     From H20power

One thing I am not sure people ever noticed about the VIC coil is that Stanley Meyer made two different types that did different jobs.

Taken from the SMTB:
Voltage Intensifier Circuit (60) of Figure (3-22) (Memo WFC 422 DA) as to Figure (1-1)
(Memo WFC 420) and Voltage Intensifier Circuit (620) of Figure (7-1) are specifically designed to
restrict amp flow during Programmable Pulsing Operations (49a xxx 49n) but in different
operational modes: VIC voltage circuit (60) utilizes copper wire-wrap to form Resonant Charging
Chokes (56/62) of Figure (3-22) in conjunction with Switching Diode (55) to encourage and make
use of "Electron Bounce" phenomena (700) of Figure (7-9) to help promote Step Charging Effect
(628) of Figure (7-7) by preventing electrical discharge of Resonant Cavity (140 - 170) since
Blocking Diode functions as an "Open" switch during Pulse Off-time; whereas, VIC Voltage
Enhancement Circuit (VIC - VB) (620) of Figure (7-1) incorporates the use of stainless steel wirewrap
coils (614/615) to accomplish the formation of unipolar gated pulse-wave (64a xxx T3 xxx
64n) without experiencing "signal distortion" or "signal degradation" (preventing transformer
ringing during signal propagation) as elevated voltage levels ( - xx Vc- xx Vd - xx Vn) while
allowing the reduction of Capacitor-Gap (Cp) (616) of Figure (7-11) width spacing (57 of Figure 3-
25 ~35 of Figure 6-2) (typically .060 - .010) respectively. as illustrated in Tubular Resonant Cavity
(170) as to Taper Resonant Cavity (620) of Figure (7-1).

The RED is VIC transformer number one and the BLUE is transformer number 2. They are used for different purposes. Transformer number one is made up of all copper wire, and transformer number two has 430FR SS wire for the dual layer chokes.

Now for the Gas Processor we want what Stanley Meyer calls, "Electron Bounce phenomena," and that VIC is made of all copper. These VIC transformers make their high voltages during switch off conditions or when the magnetic field is terminated and not the normal way that step up transformers employ. There are 42 coils that are going to make the high voltages by multipling each capcitive reactance to the next, Xc1 times Xc2 continuing the process on ending at Xc42 when the magnetic field is terminated. Why 42? The chokes are dual layered so 14 x 3 = 42. And since all coils are bifilar that number might be higher.

In order for the VIC transformer to work its best all coils must work as one or that is too say hit resonance at the same frequency. This can be done by varying the wire sizes in the bobbin cavities, since the primary will have the strongest magnetic field the inductance of the individual bobbin cavities should be made to match the primaries inductance. Now their is some debate as to match the series inductances of the secondary and resonante chokes to the primaries inductance, so more testing needs to be done to confirm which is more effecient.

Bi-directional wrap is making an X with the primary coils two layers or cross wrapped is another word for it.

][/b]Now I know this is going to make one guy I know very happy for he has been harping for the use of 430FR wire for some time now. But in Stanley Meyer's end product there is no WFC so no use of the second transformer. Stanley Meyer really cut the cost when he made the injectors, allowing the unstable oxygen atoms to break the water molecule down, and that satisfies the law of ecconomics. That saves a lot of money for there is no more quenching circuit, electrostatic filter, water fuel capacitor, 430FR SS wire, hybrid lazer distributer, and all the electronics that went along with them. And I think I might have left some out, big savings .

I hope this aids in everyones understanding of the VIC transformers

More soon
Chet








Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 05, 2009, 08:34:14 PM
ROFL @ that twisted logic , 100% opinion . Mad @ me cuz he cant afford my wire ... Lol , the guy improvises theories just to try and refute the use of my wire ... What a sophist little rat , I think his game is up @ energetic , ppl are trying to smell the stench of H20power

all you need can be found here . nothing else matters for now .

New stable pwm as well , brainchild of electrojolt ... Just that thing is a bigger contribution than all that dave lawtons and whole panacea ravi crew ever did

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=132

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=122
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 08:46:17 PM
Dankie

 READ BELOW

CHET
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 06, 2009, 01:23:00 AM
Dankie

Why would you say H20power denies a water injector is part of the process???
                                               H20 Quote
This is not a hard part of Stanley Meyer's patent to build, and the one thing I want to point out is when


Stanley Meyer switched from gas injectors to """water injectors"""" the Gas Processor is still apart of the set up,

 

that to me is a sign that it is very important indeed. Even in the Gas Gun again we have the Gas Processor, why no one has ever built one yet is beyond me.

Whats the harm in building one, it's in the patent? If your going to follow Stanley Meyer's work why would you not make one? That's like building a Tesla coil without the spark gap, for all it is a gap in the electrical connection and air. Answer it's in the patent. So, what makes Meyer's patent any different? Build it, test it, and then get understanding if that aproach works best for you, but the bottom line it is in the patent and it is easy.
    more to follow

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 06, 2009, 02:08:04 AM
OK FELLOWS

Summary time

 Let the Energy Revolution begin.
Summary of Stanley Meyer’s water for fuel technology by h2opower

This will be a compilation of all of my theories regarding how Stanley Meyer was able to utilized water as a fuel source. It focuses on Stanley Meyers water fuel injection system, answers most questions as to where does the energy come from, and shows the purpose of many items found in Stanley Meyer’s patent.

The Gas Processor


The Gas processor (GP) is the most important part of Stanley Meyers whole system coupled with the Electron Extraction Circuit(EEC) for without them you can have no Hydrogen Fracturing Process. The purpose of the GP is to raise the energy content of the whole reaction by stripping electrons from the incoming air supply by a corona discharge(Ion impact charging of the atoms). It is made to focus on the Oxygen atom in that the LEDs coherent light is chosen to match oxygen’s wave lengths and are used to bombard the oxygen atoms at the right wavelengths. The pulsing of the EEC and LEDs are the same and 180 degrees from that of the GP. Here are the ionization energy levels of oxygen:
• 1st 1313.9 kJ/mol
• 2nd 3388.3 kJ/mol
• 3rd 5300.5 kJ/mol
• 4th 7469.2 kJ/mol
• 5th 10909.5 kJ/mol
• 6th 13326.5 kJ/mol
• 7th 71330.0 kJ/mol
• 8th 84078.0 kJ/mol
Now let us take a look at the reaction to break and form the water molecule under normal conditions.
4 H-O 459 kJ/mol bonds are broken taking 1836 kJ/mol to do so.
2 H-H 436 kJ/mol bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 498 kJ/mol are formed yielding 1370 kJ/mol.

This is why all scientist say it takes more energy to break the bonds of water than you get from combining them, for the net sum of the reaction is negative, 1370-1836 = -466 kJ/mol.

Now the new reactions after the GP has stripped the electrons off of the oxygen atom are known as ionic reactions. Let’s take a look at the 1st energy level of 1313.9 kJ/mol.

The new reaction to form the water molecule 1st energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 1313.9 kJ/mol are formed yielding 2185.9 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is now positive 2185.9-1836 = +349.9 kJ/mol, so now we are getting more energy out than in. To give the energy level a bench mark for comparison the energy content of gasoline is +495 kJ/mol. So only striping one electron off of the oxygen atom resulted in a positive energy level not far behind that of gasoline.

Stanley Meyer said he stripped four electrons off of the oxygen atom so let us take a look at the reaction as told to us in the patent.
The new reaction to form the water molecule at the 4th energy level is as follows:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol are formed yielding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/mol
Now this is more than 13 times the energy content of that of gasoline, and gives an answer to the question of, “How did Stanley Meyer ran his 1.6L engine with an hho production rate of only 7L/min.?”

Another question some might have at this stage. “Why doesn’t the GP make Ozone?” That is the job of the Electron Extraction Circuit(EEC). The gas speeds inside of the GP and the proximity to the EEC’s positive screen mesh grid doesn’t give the freshly stripped electrons a chance to form ozone by consuming them in the form of heat. The unstable oxygen atoms will have a positive charge and will be unable to stabilize for at least 0.74 seconds. That may sound like a short time but the gas speeds inside of an engines intake system are very fast. What the gas speeds are I will leave for the reader to calculate. Without the EEC the GP will only produce mostly ozone, though ozone does have a higher energy content than normal oxygen atoms it also will oxidize just about anything it comes into contact with.

Now let us look at what is said in the patent:
Thermal Explosive Energy


Exposing the expelling "laser-primed" and "electrically charged" combustible gas ions (exiting from
Gas Resonant Cavity) to a thermal-spark or heat-zone causes thermal gas-ignition, releasing thermal
explosive energy (gmt) beyond the Gas-Flame Stage, as illustrated in Figure (1-19) as to (1-18). { What this is saying is the mixture can be either spark or heat ignited to set off the reaction.}
Thermal Atomic interaction (gmt) is caused when the combustible gas ions (from water) fail to
unite or form a Covalent Link-up or Covalent Bond between the water molecule atoms. as
illustrated in Figure (1-19). The oxygen atom having less than four covalent electrons (Electron
Extraction Process) is unable to reach "Stable-State" (six to eight covalent electrons required) when
the two hydrogen atoms seeks to form the water molecule during thermal gas ignition. { This is saying that Meyer stripped the oxygen atom to its' 4th ionization energy level of 7469.2 kJ/mol or less than the 4th energy level. Why because the oxygen atom has eight electrons in its' outer orbit.}
The absorbed Laser energy (Va. Vb and V c) weakens the "Electrical Bond" between the orbital
electrons and the nucleus of the atoms; while, at the same time, electrical attraction-force (qq'),
being stronger than "Normal" due to the lack of covalent electrons. "Locks Onto" and "Keeps" the
hydrogen electrons. These “abnormal” or “unstable” conditions cause the combustible gas ions to
over compensate and breakdown into thermal explosive energy (gmt). { What this part is saying is that these primed oxygen atoms have enough energy to break the water down and re-react with them with more energy yield than just the hydrogen/oxygen reaction in air alone. Plus tells that the photonic energy is also stripping electrons from the oxygen atom.} This Atomic Thermal Interaction between highly energized combustible gas ions is hereinafter called "The Hydrogen Fracturing Process."
By simply attenuating or varying voltage amplitude in direct relationship to voltage pulse-rate
determines Atomic Power-Yield under controlled state. { This part is telling us that by simply raising/lowering the voltage we can control the power output of the reaction, and he went and grouped terms again.}

Also in the patent:
The Hydrogen Fracturing Process dissociates the water molecule
by way of voltage stimulation, ionizes the combustible gases by
electron ejection and, then, prevents the formation of the water
molecule during thermal gas ignition ... releasing thermal
explosive energy beyond "normal" gas burning levels under
control state ... and the atomic energy process is environmentally
safe.

Abstract of WO9222679
An injector system comprising an improved
method and apparatus useful in the production of
a hydrogen containing fuel gas from water in a
process in which the dielectric property of water
and/or a mixture of water and other components
determines a resonate condition that produces a
breakdown of the atomic bonding of atoms in the
water molecule. The injector delivers a mixture of
water mist(1), ionized gases(2), and non-
combustible gas(3) to a zone or locus(5) within
which the breakdown process leading to the
release of elemental hydrogen from the water
molecules occurs. {This is giving us the formula needed to break down water into its elemental forms hydrogen and oxygen with just the Gas Processor, water fuel injector, and a spark ignition or high heat ignition from a high compression type engine16:1 or higher. The need of the firestorm type spark plug is a must so that it makes sure the reaction occurs, that would be considered the locus. That formula is: water mist, ionized gases, noncombustible gas, and spark or heat ignition.}

The water fuel injectors


The water fuel injectors create micro-mini capacitors out of water by passing the atomized water mist through a high voltage zone. After careful study of the water fuel injector I found out that the inside electrode is surrounded by a column of air at 125 psi so the water mist never comes into direct contact with the center electrode.

How you get voltage to perform work is by physically changing the area, thus changing the charge surface density. This is very important information to know when it comes to understanding how Stanley Meyer got the some of the water mist to break down into hydrogen and oxygen. As the highly charged water mist mixes with the unstable oxygen atoms and recirculated exhaust gases it evaporates, thus changing the surface area allowing voltage to perform work on the water molecule. In a way he set a condition that caused the water molecules to short circuit. This is made possible due to the properties of water being that water is a dielectric liquid. Remember the relaxation time for water is є/σ< 10-6 seconds and for air є/σ> 10 seconds giving the water plenty of time to evaporate while still retaining its induced image charges from the injectors high voltage zone. The water mist is given a negative charge as a result.

Steam Resonator


The Steam Resonators job is to heat the water up to around 90 degrees C or more so that when the water is injected into the engine in vacuum conditions it immediately turns into vapor(not steam) thus aiding the water to evaporate faster, allowing voltage to perform work on the water molecules more readily. The Steam Resonators works much the same as a microwave oven by making the water molecules dipoles switch back and forth causing inter molecular friction.

There are two types of VIC transformers
Taken from the SMTB:
Quote:
Voltage Intensifier Circuit (60) of Figure (3-22) (Memo WFC 422 DA) as to Figure (1-1)
(Memo WFC 420) and Voltage Intensifier Circuit (620) of Figure (7-1) are specifically designed to
restrict amp flow during Programmable Pulsing Operations (49a xxx 49n) but in different
operational modes: (1) VIC voltage circuit (60) utilizes copper wire-wrap to form Resonant Charging
Chokes (56/62) of Figure (3-22) in conjunction with Switching Diode (55) to encourage and make
use of "Electron Bounce" phenomena (700) of Figure (7-9) to help promote Step Charging Effect
(628) of Figure (7-7) by preventing electrical discharge of Resonant Cavity (140 - 170) since
Blocking Diode functions as an "Open" switch during Pulse Off-time; whereas, (2) VIC Voltage
Enhancement Circuit (VIC - VB) (620) of Figure (7-1) incorporates the use of stainless steel wirewrap
coils (614/615) to accomplish the formation of unipolar gated pulse-wave (64a xxx T3 xxx
64n) without experiencing "signal distortion" or "signal degradation" (preventing transformer
ringing during signal propagation) as elevated voltage levels ( - xx Vc- xx Vd - xx Vn) while
allowing the reduction of Capacitor-Gap (Cp) (616) of Figure (7-11) width spacing (57 of Figure 3-
25 ~35 of Figure 6-2) (typically .060 - .010) respectively. as illustrated in Tubular Resonant Cavity
(170) as to Taper Resonant Cavity (620) of Figure (7-1).
Now it is clear that if the voltage zones are between 0.06-0.01 inches you need to use VIC number 2, if your voltage zones are higher than this VIC number 1 will work for you.

Now the VIC transformer creates its high voltages by way of reactive capacitance, XC1 • XC2 • XC3,…, • XC42. These type of transformer do not make their high voltages like a typical step-up transformer does. All of the bobbin cavities have to match in inductance with the primary coil’s inductance for the desired frequency the user is aiming for. This way makes sure that all coils hit resonance at the same time. Since the primary has the strongest magnetic field it leads the way for all other magnetic fields to add to its magnetic field strength.

The blocking diode stops the collapsing magnetic field from sending the voltage back to the secondary coil. It also doubles the voltage in the capacitor to that of the supply voltage from the secondary. The chokes limit current magnetically and also act as voltage multipliers the same way the secondary coil do. They also double the frequencies to the capacitors so what every frequency you are planning for make sure to cut that in half with designing your transformers. The current is out of phase by about 90 degrees lag time behind the voltage and that further limits the current flow so there is no arcing between voltage zones. As a result there is almost no signal degradation to the voltage zones.

Now the GP and EEC are the most important parts of Stanley Meyer’s patent for they can stand alone and improve any fuels energy output. And if you understand all of this you can make the system any way you like for it does not have to be made the way Stanley Meyer made it. Just follow the rules of what is needed to be done to make the reaction work. In the most basic sense what was done here was to make a controlled change to the environment inside of the intake system to one that is suitable for water combustion.


h2opower.
Maybe more to follow?

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 06, 2009, 02:15:46 AM
Brian I had to do it

I think I'm done [ACTUALLY WE'VE ONLY JUST BEGUN]

Chet

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Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 06, 2009, 02:54:04 AM
A little tidbit about

FLOW   

The gas speeds in an engines intake system are quite fast, example a four cyclander engine that has a displacement of 1.8L idles on average of 900 RPMs. Now I wont go over all the math for I feel you will get the picture. Now 900 RPMs is equal to 15 revolutions per second. Now let us divid that by two since it has four cycles and only two of the cylanders are drawing in air so we get 7.5 times per second. That would mean that 13.75 liters of air just got dragged through the intake system per second. So as you can gather the gas speeds are really fast. .74 seconds to an engine is on the slow side when you only talking moving the air about 2 feet or less.

About the Nitrogen we have to keep the temps below 1400 degrees I belive off of the top of my head. Stanley Meyer did this by recirculating the exhuast gases, but again he didn't give us any information as to how much. Therfore we all have to test it all out the hard way. I would gather though that at start ups you really don't want much recirculation going on and also when the engine is cold. But one thing I really haven't talked about much is the use of the steam resonator. It seems to have the same use as Albert Bowe's technology; watch: water manipulation motor - Google Video
For remember all the laws of physics/chemistry still can be put too good use like gas law science PV=nRT. And if you inject in water that is around 90 degrees or so in vacuum conditions the water will turn into vapor, not steam, for as you lower the pressure you also lower the heat of vaporization point.

More to come

Chet

READ AND LEARN
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 06, 2009, 03:07:35 AM
This is one of the many ways gas will perform. Notice that if the gas burns up the tube you will get a jet effect. Removing the small nozzel from the bottom of the plug will make the burn rate appear very week, reducing the hole size determines the time of burn rate and temp.

So far i've found over 5 ways to ignite the gas, and only 1 way that creates a rapid pressure effect. When the gas is ignited in a corner and burns its way outward, A rapid gas expansion occurs, and its this expansion that will push the piston down. Without the injector tube acting as a combustion chamber above the old combustion chamber i doubt you'll see the gas conversion effect. I'm convinced this is a magic trick.

Since the Volume above your piston is so big in mass, i doubt you can get the unseen effect without the extra combustion chamber. None combustible gases regulated with ambient air can control the burn rate in the second combustion chamber. Reducing ambient air or exhaust gas flow into the cylinder controls the amount of gas injected into the injector. Its possible to add ambient air and non combustible ports directly on the injector if the burn rates can not be controlled threw the intake manifold.

Stan used a Crack Pressure of 13.4 or so psi, I hope to make success with lower crack pressures. I assume he did this to insure it safe. A second protection check valve can be located between the injector and generator, However i want to know if my valve fails so i will not be using any safety valves during any of my test.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 06, 2009, 03:14:43 AM
This is one of the many ways gas will perform. Notice that if the gas burns up the tube you will get a jet effect. Removing the small nozzel from the bottom of the plug will make the burn rate appear very week, reducing the hole size determines the time of burn rate and temp.

So far i've found over 5 ways to ignite the gas, and only 1 way that creates a rapid pressure effect. When the gas is ignited in a corner and burns its way outward, A rapid gas expansion occurs, and its this expansion that will push the piston down. Without the injector tube acting as a combustion chamber above the old combustion chamber i doubt you'll see the gas conversion effect. I'm convinced this is a magic trick.

Since the Volume above your piston is so big in mass, i doubt you can get the unseen effect without the extra combustion chamber. None combustible gases regulated with ambient air can control the burn rate in the second combustion chamber. Reducing ambient air or exhaust gas flow into the cylinder controls the amount of gas injected into the injector. Its possible to add ambient air and non combustible ports directly on the injector if the burn rates can not be controlled threw the intake manifold.

Stan used a Crack Pressure of 13.4 or so psi, I hope to make success with lower crack pressures. I assume he did this to insure it safe. A second protection check valve can be located between the injector and generator, However i want to know if my valve fails so i will not be using any safety valves during any of my test.

holy smokes ,,,, insane pic

The Hydrogen godfather strikes again .
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 06, 2009, 03:22:27 AM
YES BRIAN

Nice flame

YOU GO BOY

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 06, 2009, 03:32:06 AM
I shouldn't have ignited it from the bottom like that, but it was fun. In the photo you see the gas burning from the outside inward, this creates thrust. When the gas is ignited from the plug it burns from the inside out, this creates expansion. Thats why i posted the photo.

You can learn an entirely lot from filling diff tubes up with hydroxy and igniting the ends, and sides. When i Sealed all holes with my fingers and fired the plug, i almost broke my fingers. I also like to shoot caps from the plug, it makes a nice cap gun.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 06, 2009, 03:50:48 AM
BRIAN
Thats the biggest HHO FLAME i'VE SEEN IN A LONG TIME

you go bro

CHET
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 06, 2009, 04:30:18 AM
ramset,
just want you to note that stan meyers says on video that the ionize gasses don't react with the water until passed through the injector high amplitude frequency wave.. and im sure stan was using a high energy state ionization process.


outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 06, 2009, 04:38:37 AM
and.. that the firestorm spark will not alter the state space in the manner.needed for separation.... voltage dynamics buddy.. pulsing opposite forces


outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 06, 2009, 04:47:40 AM
WELL BOYS

ITS  past my bed time

God Bless and good night

remember

On to whom so ever much is given much is required

OPEN SOURCE BROTHERS ,good night

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 06, 2009, 05:49:52 PM
                     MORE MATH AND SCIENCE GUY"S

                  HHO as A CAR FUEL COMPARED TO GASOLINE 
         
                        From user  Creativity    Very good reading

                ,and reason for a gas processor or as Stan Meyer said an

                                            """"" ACCELERATOR ''''''''''

Let us calculate how much an engine needs to run.Goal is to calculate an amount of air and fuel used.I will calculate the air needs in liters as we are interested here in volumes to compare it later to the volumes of H2 or H2,O2 gases needed to run an engine.
First of all who still has no knowledge of AFR (air fuel ratio) please read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-fuel_ratio

1)Now our good running engine uses around 14,7 g of air per 1g of gasoline (heptan,octane mixture),that comes out of AFR calculation of perfect burning.I will make an example how to calculate the AFR for a given fuel:

C7H16 + 11O2 ->7C02 + 8H20

heptane has a moll mass = 7*12+16*1=100 [g/mol]
we are using air as an oxidant so we have also nitrogen present and it is 79 % of volume of air.It will give us around 41 molecules of N2 in this situation.So our air mole mass=11*16*2 + 41*14*2=1.500 [g/mol]
 now 1.500/100 = 15 this is our AFR for heptane.

2)just how much is this 14,7 g of air in volume?

Air has density of 1,2 g/liter.Volume is then =12,25 liter

3)let assume that our engine uses 10l of gasoline to drive our car 100km/h in 1hour.So an engine of around 2-2,5 liters of displacement,rated with around 150HP( i assume ,but i feel it can be also quite good calculated out of engine efficiency and gasoline caloric value).
How much air volume will it use?

Density of gasoline 737,22 [g/liter] shows us that we used 7.372g of it for our trip.
So air used=14,7*7.372=108.368 g.
It is then =108.368/1,2= 90.307 liters of air.

4)How much of air was used per minute?

90.307/60=1505 liters

5)how much fuel per minute was used?

7.372/60=123 g

6) and when the fuel was evaporated how much space it occupied?

Gasoline expands around 220 times in volume when evaporated(comes from comparison of density ratio of liquid gasoline with the gaseous form) , so we used 2200liters of evaporated gasoline.
It is around 2200/60=37 [liters/minute].

OK let as got some attention to our big question of using H2,O2.From a SAE technical paper i have a graphic describing the effects of adding H2 into the internal combustion engine runned on CNG.Graphic speaks about the possibility of further shift of lean mixture AFR limit when H2 was feed to the fuel.Unfortunately i can`t put this graphic here because it is copy righted.But i think copyright allows me to say what is the effect observed Smiley Lean limit of pure gasoline is around AFR =25:1 according to this source.Adding of 8% of H2 into the combustion shifts AFR to lean limit of 26 :1.So it is a shift of 4%.Further addition of around 20% of H2 shifts AFR to 27,5:1 resulting in relative 9% shift.So it makes some sence to add H2 to the engine.

This effect was described for addition of pure H2,however i believe if H2,O2 was used effect could be slightly different.Result of electrolysis in form of a H2,O2 mix has 33% of volume made of O2.I could think of two situations:
a)extra oxygen would lean the charge even more and counteract the H2 effect
b)oxygen would assist the burning of the fuel by adding extra heat to burn even leaner charge.

Now let me try to calculate the H2 burning in air.I will try to make analogical calculations as for heptane,just to see how much of the H2 would we need to run our can in a situation as above.

2H2 + O2 ->2H2O

AFR (2*16+3,76*2*14)/(2*2)=34,25 :1

it is 34,25/1,2=28,5 liters of air per 1g of H2.

This time we need to know how much energy was released in gasoline engine,because we want to make our hydrogen car to run at least as well as our gasoline car.In the first example we used 7.372g of gasoline for our trip,this would translate to 327MJ produced.I won`t take into consideration the efficiency of the engine,i just assume it won`t change substantially under pure H2.I make this assumption to make first approximation of amount of H2 required to run an engine.Later we can add efficiency to the calculation.
327MJ translates to 327[MJ]/130[MJ/Kg]= 2.517 g of hydrogen used to make the same work.
Now volumes:

0,09 g/liter is the density of H2 gas.

0,09*2.517=27.967 liters of H2 gas

As in our previous example all of it was used in 1h time for our trip.It is 27.967/60 = 466 liters of gaseous H2 per minute!.
Norm amount to produce from on-board electrolysis alone,no?But that is not the end now.Just compare the numbers:

Our car on gasoline used 90.307 liters of air + 10 liters of not yet evaporated fuel.This all went for the trip.I use 10l of gasoline because when it was feed to the engine most of its evaporation process took place inside of the cylinder.
Our car would need to use 27.967 liters of H2 + 2.517*28,5 liters of air in total to burn it for the trip.IT is 99.701/90.317= 1,1 times more volume of gases would have to go through the engine(so volumetric efficiency would have to improve).We simply suck not enough oxygen from the air to burn our H2.Our engine would have to be supercharged or rpm would have to go higher for the same power demand.

Situation would be different if we used 2H2,O2 mixture(as from electrolyser).In that case AFR would be a bit more tricky to calculate.We have here an extra oxygen feed and exactly as much as we need,In this case oxygen from the air is not needed at all and a result will be that we run lean mixture.Problem gets not easier when we feed more H2,O2.In that case we get more power and hot running engine,feeding even more will result in big explosions and only way i can see would be inject water to cool down the engine and slow down the burning.Maybe dumping of some oxygen from the electrolyser outside of the engine could help,just to achieve a stoichiometric mixture for H2 without adding more of H2 and ruining the engine.

Coming back to our car trip  Grin.We still want to produce the same energy as in pure gasoline or H2 case.This time we have extra oxygen available so volumetric efficiency won`t suffer,no supercharging or higher revving will be needed.We can then stick to gasoline base case  90.317 liters of charge introduced to the engine during the trip.The reason is that we can manipulate the amount of oxygen supplied to burn H2.We have an excess of oxygen so we will dump all the oxygen that could cause lean burn.We use as in a pure H2 case  27.967 liters of H2.The  90.317 - 27.967=62.350 liters will have to contain all the oxygen we need.Only air won`t support enough oxygen (as shown in pure H2 usage case),supplying of all the O2 from electrolyse,next to ordinary air will give us too much oxygen.Wear have to find how much of the O2 we need to burn stoichiometric(the best).
 coming back to :

2H2 + O2 ->2H2O

What we see here is we use 1 volume of O2 for every 2 volumes of H2 to have a nice burn.We have 27.967 liters of H2 so we need the half of it in volume of O2.

1-{[62.350 -27.967/2])/62.350}= 0,224

With above formule i calculated what part of the total air and O2 supplied has to be the oxygen.In easy words we need upgrade air to have 22,4% of oxygen.The rest of the oxygen we don`t need anymore.With this i offer you ,the one who had a long road to read through all this calculations  Grin  Cool my respect Smiley.As a reward i can bring u step closer to the solution of an on-board hydrogen production.

                            BELOW IS MR PASZKOWKI"S  THEORY[on going]


I am an author of an idea as follows:
As u see oxygen release from the electrolysis is not what we want.We can make a small amount of O2 (2,5% of air volume sucked to the engine) but it costs us a big penalty of energy used to release this oxygen from OH bond.Sure we can Strip it and get this one extra hydrogen,that is what you all do in electrolysis.I say it is not the way.Use this energy to strip another water molecule of the only one Ht.As well as combustion engine,fuel cell can also use oxygen from the air.What i see, is usage of the low energy electrolysis with minimal OH bond braking rate.This cell will produce almost only hydrogen that can be feed to the fuelcell to produce electricity with air oxygen.This system has a chance to become overunity.The secret of the not stripping of the OH bond will stay for a moment here.I have to finalise my long research on it first.

all the best,
Bartosz Paszkowski


   Do WE HAVE SOME AMAZING MEMBERS HERE OR WHAT??

      Thank you MR Pasxkowski  {User Creativity]
 
                                Chet     MORE TO COME!!
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 06, 2009, 07:36:45 PM
BRIAN

You put an accelerator [gas processor ] In series with that torch
       
                  YOU"LL BLOW A HOLE IN THE WALL

      WHAT IS AN ACCELERATOR?? [or GAS PROCESSOR?}
   
      WHERE IS IT IN STANS PATENTS??[ALL OF THEM RIGHT UP TO HIS FINALE DESIGN}

      IDEAS ON HOW TO BUILD ONE??

      STAY TUNED

      Chet
                                 OPENSOURCE FELLOWS  the ONLY WAY
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 06, 2009, 08:01:56 PM
BRIAN

You put an accelerator [gas processor ] In series with that torch
       
                  YOU"LL BLOW A HOLE IN THE WALL

      WHAT IS AN ACCELERATOR?? [or GAS PROCESSOR?}
   
      WHERE IS IT IN STANS PATENTS??[ALL OF THEM RIGHT UP TO HIS FINALE DESIGN}

      IDEAS ON HOW TO BUILD ONE??

      STAY TUNED

      Chet
                                 OPENSOURCE FELLOWS  the ONLY WAY

Build your own gas processor if you want to , we are not gonna do that .

We make the VIC and injector , thats it , GP not needed .


Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 06, 2009, 08:21:46 PM
ramset,
i want to bring to your attention the name of this thread... in case you havent noticed it is hydromeyers vic.. its not gas processor and air ionizer.. so can you please stop mixing your info on this thread.. we know its open source but you are more or less corupting this thread by throwing it off subject.. im sure if you just post a link to the thread where you keep copying from and pasting from .. we can go view it our self if we want.... please stop putting it off subject.


outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 06, 2009, 08:28:48 PM
Dankie

You don't need an engineering firm

An R+D facility

Or a MACHINE SHOP

And Lord knows how much time [to run a car LEGALLY and without knowing long term effects to the engine] }

        From the beginning I said all I want to do is make a furnace that runs on straight water

         You want to drive a car [the way the world is going where you gonna go?]

I want to heat Grandmas house, ALL OF THE GRANDMAS SHIVERING AND DYING IN THE COLD AS I WRITE THIS

And if you don't think old folks are turning down the heat and getting sick because of it your in a different world

  A gas processor/accelerator and Brians straight water torch and I"M DONE JOB COMPLETE

NO ENGINEERING FIRMS

 NO TRAIL AND ERROR INJECTOR EXPERIMENTS

ETC ETC .......

Some more info [mostly all] on Stan

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2265617/water-to-combustable-Stanley-MeyersWater-FuelCellTechnical-BriefFULL

Much more to follow

Chet


Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 06, 2009, 09:06:59 PM
Outlaw

A vic is required in a gas processor/accelerator

I am pulling and sharing info from all over this thread and the internet

 THIS IS NO GAME I'M PLAYING

 THE BIGGEST BANKS IN MY COUNTRY {USA} ARE TRADING AT PENNY STOCK LEVELS

YOU WILL SEE A VIC HERE [With instructions] OPEN SOURCE

More to follow

Chet

PS  The world you boy's started building your secret, MAYBE some day open source project in

                                 HAS      CHANGED !!!

                           DO YOU FELLOWS HAVE A TV?[I'm serious ,I belonged to a church that forbid that]

Anyway HOW I USE MY VIC SHOULD"NT CONCERN YOU

I believe Heat [even though you southern fellows don't see a need] can make electricity, warm homes ,and feed people year round [soon to be very relevant}

Nothing wrong with using your VICS for driving cars around
.



Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 06, 2009, 09:20:51 PM
ramset,
 your starting to give me a bad vibe.. anyone can warm grandmas house with a furnace if they just read and learn.. go follow your gas processing people if they got it.. so u can heat grandmas house.. vehicles are of up most importance in many ways..for instance think how much fuel all the semis in the world go through in one day.. and the control they have of that fuel.. we are in danger of engineered food shortages..if evil decided to do so.. all that money going to a fuel that could be free from mother earth.. so you say build a furnace i say that info is on the web already. and thats a walk in the park compared to this. so learn and go build one.. stop throwing the forum off subject.. personal message it to dankie.. thats who your directing it to right? theres a war with corporate interest and peoples interest right now.. and has been covered with illusions  by the soap oprah life most have chosen to live.. .the luxuries of 22's bling bling and money. its all about the benjamins.. but should have never amounted to that in our society.. we people should be free..  paying interest on a 30 year house loan is a scam.. any interest is really a scam. we should only have one tax, the fair tax is when you pay taxes only on stuff you buy.. the more stuff you buy the more taxes you pay. its the kiss method and takes away all other scandelous taxes.. school should be of way different standards we go through half our youth sitting inside away from nature in the most uncomfortablest plastic chairs ever made. the school has been there perfect weapon for setting a standard by the standard they choose to brain warp us with.. they start us off young getting used to a mon- fri schedule.. so when its time to hit the work force we accept the schedule of working 5 days a week with 2 days off.  we people should have the right to do as we please and not be forced into the workforce on a 5 day a week schedule inorder to make ends meet.. it keeps are minds completely distracted in survival mode to where when you hit 50 years old your thnking to yourself, where did my life go? all i have doine is worked to make ends meet and barely have anything to show for my hard efforts.  im not saying im lazy and dont like to work and sit on my ass every day.. just saying that the 5 day a week mandatory is slavery forced by pay wages that are just enough to get you by on a 40 hour a week schedule... the main causes are the cost of electric, gas, bullshit taxes, interest on your house etc. i did some math the other day cause i was curious about how much does a middle class pay for electric and gas in one month.. im think like 200 for electric and 200 for gas in one month one year that comes out to 4800 dollars now we could of fixed this 10 years ago but it was stopped so going off the estimated middle class yearly cost.. middle class has spent around 48,000 dollars in the past 10 years for energy.. lets say theres 4 million middle class households. that comes out to 192,000,000,000 dollars spent in the last 10 years.. you say make a furnace i say fuck that. im going for adjustable 95-110 octane in a corvette..

cheers
outlawstc

outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 06, 2009, 09:39:16 PM
Outlaw

BAD VIBE??[POSTING NOTHING BUT FACTS , MATH, AND SCIENCE, GIVES YOU A BAD VIBE???}

You give me one place I can go ,to learn how to make heat, with pure water[not gas chambers using electrolyte]

                                               OPEN SOURCE!!!

AND I WILL LEAVE THIS THREAD TO YOU AND YOUR  CORVETTE

Chet

PS Average home 125000 BTU Furnace

I KNOW IN THE SOUTH YOU CAN HEAT YOUR HOUSE WITH A CANDLE[so why should you care]

And the lastperson to freeze to death down there ,probably got stuck in his freezer
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 06, 2009, 10:00:24 PM
ramset,
 once you learn the vic , you will be able to produce enough gas from a water fuel cell to use with a furnace... there is one variable.  how hot the gas will burn.. controlled by how much of the burnt (noncombustables) gases you allowing to mixing with incoming fuel gas.. thats all you need to learn how to do.. i understand its cold.. and im sorry that people are going threw hell. if thats the case where your at.. why not focus on the water fuel cell and creating the system to unite non combustables on a regulative level back to retard flame front.. you are talking about furnaces but then your talking about systems that are being developed for adjustments into higher heat potential outputs.. you do not need to ionize air for a furnace..


outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 06, 2009, 10:12:00 PM
OUTLAW

Its very simple, Where I and a lot of people live ,a car may or may not be required, on a personal level

HEAT, a whole different story, LIFE AND DEATH STUFF

A furnace that runs on water and makes 100000 BTU at very low wattage to heat ratio

                                                   NO SUCH THING
                                           
                                               Lets change that shall we?

   Chet       More to come gotta get back to the bench

OH and by the way did I say? where theres heat there is AIR CONDITIONING!!


Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 06, 2009, 10:30:06 PM
heres a visual for alternator pulsing for vic burst sync pulse 8-11 wfc tech
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 06, 2009, 10:34:13 PM
outlaw

Thanks bud

I will look more at that when I finish on the bench

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 07, 2009, 12:13:00 AM
page2
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 07, 2009, 12:23:28 AM
outlaw

I'm trying to finish something on the bench [to catch u.p.s]

THIS IS AMAZING STUFF!!!

Chet   Be Back soon
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 07, 2009, 02:29:53 AM
delete
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 07, 2009, 02:43:05 AM
delete?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 07, 2009, 03:17:58 AM
Sorry OUTLAW

Waiting for my Vic info to get here

And company showed up

Chet  More later

Outlaw

Don't waste the top of the page ,share something about your VIC post[EDUCATE  SERIOUSLY]

Now for the Gas Processor we want what Stanley Meyer calls, "Electron Bounce phenomena," and that VIC is made of all copper. These VIC transformers make their high voltages during switch off conditions or when the magnetic field is terminated and not the normal way that step up transformers employ. There are 42 coils that are going to make the high voltages by multipling each capcitive reactance to the next, Xc1 times Xc2 continuing the process on ending at Xc42 when the magnetic field is terminated. Why 42? The chokes are dual layered so 14 x 3 = 42. And since all coils are bifilar that number might be higher.

In order for the VIC transformer to work its best all coils must work as one or that is too say hit resonance at the same frequency. This can be done by varying the wire sizes in the bobbin cavities, since the primary will have the strongest magnetic field the inductance of the individual bobbin cavities should be made to match the primaries inductance. Now their is some debate as to match the series inductances of the secondary and resonante chokes to the primaries inductance, so more testing needs to be done to confirm which is more effecient.

Bi-directional wrap is making an X with the primary coils two layers or cross wrapped is another word for it.

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 07, 2009, 05:27:02 AM
Brian

LOVE KNOW'S NO BOUNDARIES

TEACH A MAN TO FISH [THIS IS NOT A BURDEN BUT AN OPPORTUNITY!!!}

Ask and you shall receive, Knock and the door will be opened

Goodnight all

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 07, 2009, 05:01:21 PM
From H20power

Now the GP and EEC are the most important parts of Stanley Meyer’s patent for they can stand alone and improve any fuels energy output. And if you understand all of this you can make the system any way you like for it does not have to be made the way Stanley Meyer made it. Just follow the rules of what is needed to be done to make the reaction work. In the most basic sense what was done here was to make a controlled change to the environment inside of the intake system to one that is suitable for water combustion.

YOU ADD MORE""PURE"" OXYGEN {ACCELERANT] TO ANY COMBUSTION PROCESS'' BIGGER BANG''

MORE TO FOLLOW

Chet

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 07, 2009, 05:40:55 PM
Boy you sure are thick headed , its like you are not hearing us ... The gas processor in older technology and it was replaced by the injector .

H2opower has made no progress whatsoever , all he has so show for is that same old cheap text , I know alot more than that guy trust me . We are making the injector and VIC with stainless steel wire  , like it should be made . If you want to improvise a gas processor and VIC , go work with H2opower and stop bothering us .



Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 07, 2009, 05:41:26 PM
ghg
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 07, 2009, 06:02:59 PM
thanks for pointing out that last one dankie.. havent thought of that aspect. so we know a injector can produce a constant flame because it cant back fire into the injector since it quenches with the vokltage wave.

outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 07, 2009, 06:17:06 PM
Dankie

This thread [I HOPE} Is about the advancement of Stan Meyer's Tech
The VIC being foremost in importance .I hope you don't perceive me as a threat[why would anyone as smart as you feel threatened??], it is my intention to follow this through OPENSOURCE

And I need a TORCH Give me a TORCH[''on paper'', low watt high production] and I will leave you to your injector

Tell Brian I will send him a laser thermometer put that 300-700F flame he has up against a piece of titanium or tungsten [which I will send him with the thermometer]

And he will see a 10 fold increase in heat [if he has the right lpm going to that torch of his]

More to come

Chet



Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 07, 2009, 07:14:41 PM
Look ramset , you can even change the injector shape for different effect and keep the same VIC .
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 07, 2009, 07:32:10 PM
Dankie

Why would I build an injector LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY

All I need Is a simple torch [of course I need PRODUCTION at low watts]

What you are doing with your Vic [maybe mine too] is great

I personally NEVER said anything derogatory about your wire[Stans wire] choice for that vic

I am not here to waste anyones time

More to come

Chet



Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 07, 2009, 07:48:22 PM
Dankie

Why would I build an injector LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY

All I need Is a simple torch [of course I need PRODUCTION at low watts]

What you are doing with your Vic [maybe mine too] is great

I personally NEVER said anything derogatory about your wire[Stans wire] choice for that vic

I am not here to waste anyones time

More to come

Chet





If you are too poor to have a piece of metal machined or know somebody who can do it for free than I suggest you give up this hobby . As I said before the logistics and cost will hit you straight in the face , this isnt fairy tale land .

I know other people who are not very rich , but we support them and equip them and send them the special machined parts because we value their skills and we know they can bring something to the table .
 
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 07, 2009, 08:11:09 PM
Dankie

You interpret a compromise as begging?

I have never made a part ,machine ,tool , that didn't work as intended when I shipped it

I had no idea you had a working system ready to ship!!

The way that you responded to Brians torch pic, it seemed like a Eureka moment for you?

Of course Brian's torch pic is impressive ,but with out watts used  information ???

I guess you are making a business out of this? Every man is entitled to his path and living

I choose OPEN SOURCE !!  And now I see ""YOUR ""point
 
The world is presently going to hell in a hand basket ,open source is needed'' NOW''

More to come
                                  From another user THE BUZZ
Meyer used a laser to sustain the time of the reaction in a sub critical state - to prevent the recombination of the H and the O atoms. Meyer used high voltage AND high frequency to sustain the reaction time in the cylinder. What Meyer did not do is pump hydrogen into the intake manifold.

It is possible to produce such a intake system but the intake air must be converted into oxides (ozone O4) and nitrogen radicals (NOS) using high voltage and laser light. We call this reaction a laser cathode accelerator and this is what Meyer's air/gas processor did.

"Nobody thought of using an accelerator before" - Stan Meyer

Then that ionized gas is mixed with water mist and the ionized gas absorbs the covalent bond electrons that bond H2O and causes the water to become unstable and combustible. This is a chemistry term we call bond cleaving here in the US.

We want to make the water go from very high pressure to very low pressure while that ionized air and water are being mixed. (This is what Meyer called fracturing) The pressure change causes the water to split to steam and HHO and the laser again prevents recombination.
                 
                           More from the BUZZ
Hydrocars demonstrated that if you arc a plasma to a HHO flame, the flame roughly doubles in size. This is a method of electron extraction and the flame is larger since the mass got smaller and so you release more thermal energy when it recombines back into water. This is not how Meyer did it but interesting just the same. Unfortunately he seems to have deleted the video  - go figure.

Actually in the end the air gas processor was probably not needed. The version of Meyer in those photos did use exhaust gas just as Meyer stated. That is why there are three needle valves - hydrogen, exhaust gas and ambient air.

The exhaust system was an oxide radical gold mine which is what the air gas processor does, made the air a free radical to remove/absorb the electrons during the firing process.

In the end, I doubt as you say that it was needed but in the end, Meyer had improved the technology.

The other information you provided is interesting but as always, suspect for you are the Dankei.

When Chris banned you from OUPower, I secretly went to bat for you. I started a thread called "Save the Dankie" and pressed Chris in a series of emails regarding you to the point where Chris offered to ban me too.

An hour ago, I posted a step by step on Meyer. Within an hour, the entire thread was deleted. I will ban myself from oupower - the arm pit of humanity.

Not sure who you are and quite frankly don't care, this turfing must end. Otherwise this is only going to happen for a few people. Is that your goal?

My background is technical and I understand a common mode choke (bifilar coil next to core) when I see one. That is what splits the positive and sends it in two directions. Plus and negative charge.

I understand a pulse or trigger transformer when I see one. That is what the sets of bifilar coils around the outside do and they modulate the step charge coming from the primary.

A good example of this technology is a seismograph. The shaker truck goes through several harmonic frequencies filling the ground with vibration of a range of frequencies one at a time increasing the energy absorption of the ground. When it stops vibrating, the geophones listen. Replace the geophones with an amp consuming device that get's switched in between the plates at the point and the water gives up electrons in order to return to stable state. Lather, rinse, repeat.

So how that exact version worked or what is was driving is irrelevant. Your claim that it drive the spark plugs is false. That was done by the magneto on the distributor. That VIC, and there were several on the buggy at one point, drove the air gas processor.

Dankie I don't plan on having EXHAUST GAS TO UTILIZE IN THE FURNACE

More to come
Chet



Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 08, 2009, 12:20:17 AM
Dankie,
I believe Meyer had more than one invention.
I love his WFC technology there was a simple use for it:
A few years back, I moved in to an apartment. In the kitchen was an electric cooker.
It was a horrible experience. I could not even fry an egg without burning it.
I was told I am not allowed to use a (bottled) gas cooker.
If I could use Meyer's WFC technology to provide gas for cooking perhaps
I would not have lost so much weight.

I love his water injector technology. Every time I buy petrol it pains me to know
I am lining up the pockets of some leech whose idea of exsistance is to put man
against man.

We should not be fighting each other here. We are in this shit because people are conditioned
to think that we must compete with each other to "win" rather than to co-operate.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 08, 2009, 12:41:59 AM
very true AhuraMazda ... we must open the minds to the deaf dumb and blind and the only way that is possible is with cooperation between each other.. the every man for him self act will just consume more energy of the human and soul and get no where.. war is created by fear tactics imposed on the public. we are all human potentials stop grounding your self out and let the potential grow.. step outside the box of idealistic traits that have led the past.. to change is to adapt and  evolve.. nothin has ever remaind the same.. if so there would have never been dinosaurs.. we must adapt to survive the changing times.. if we don't we will become extinct in the times to come..

outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 08, 2009, 12:43:02 AM
AhuraMazda

Very true But Dankie is not intending to open source [secret handshake club behind closed doors]

BTW nice thread you started ,a must read

Here is an article by Prof. ELIHU THOMSON who was a contemporaries of Tesla
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get249

Outlaw I agree

Provided by user the BUZZ on Yahoo  stanmeyerfulldata,pdf

more to follow

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 08, 2009, 01:32:56 AM
@Dankie,
I will give you 1 million $ for your information 12 months from now but open source your information.
What do you think $1M will be worth in 12 months? May Obama help us LOL.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 08, 2009, 01:34:00 AM
ramset i have read that thing inside and out.. it has been on the net for over a year.. not because of the buzz.  and you keep speaking of secret hand shake club???? i simply wrote stevie a email and he assigned me a user name and password a couple months ago.. i have always used waterfuelcell.org. and head about that forum.. i had no problem being accepted.. no secret club rules like you try to impose it as... there is no secret hand shake.. just civil team work. so can you please stop tryn to give that forum a bad name???? how about you write stevie a email like he said and you can join too???


outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 08, 2009, 01:42:55 AM
I have always been open source , dont try to put a spin into my thread .

And stop with ur frikkin TheBuzz and H2opower worshipping .

From now on you will worship the VIC coil and the injector , you will obey to you new master now little pet of of overunity.com special electolysis section .

I am the new master of Ramset .
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 08, 2009, 01:48:52 AM
you can have him.. he seems to hard headed to teach new tricks..lol
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 08, 2009, 02:05:43 AM
Outlaw

A lot of people [for a good reason[to them]] don't like signing up for things on the net

I will cease and desist on the hand shake club or any derogatory reference to it [no pun intended]

Anyway, been watching this Forum for many years and decided to join. I did not have to, Stefan and MANY other Forums allow peeps to come and go as they please,no strings attached

There are so many good men ,   No'' GREAT'' men here [a few wimins to] and they work tirelessly to help the world .HOWEVER always seems to get real close but no cigar [on BIG stuff]

Like you said this info is all OUTTHERE for at least one year, like manna from heaven
Discerning eyes can see it [having been a part of many patents, you never give away the house ,or give a man a stick to beat you with[ competition]

Translation you disclose as little as possible and completely leave out whatever you can
 
 I can't put a furnace in Grandmas house YET ,the pieces are all there, lets put them together

Chet

more to come
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 08, 2009, 03:19:35 AM
Dankie

I saw your [nasty] post after I had already posted

After a reasonable amount of time [out of respect for that forum] I am going to ask the man That spent 31 months in HELL for his country[and is not to happy about what he saw] and who also saw first hand Faluga in I-ra-q H2OPOWERS To come here and share

I am also going to look and post whatever THE BUZZ posted that helps to explain what is relevant
He said right out in the open he left it here in his posts

And PLEASE ANYONE THAT CAN HELP PLEASE DO. I have to tell you this will get done
 [I HAVE PEEPS DREAMS ARE MADE OF[ THANK YOU LORD}

                                  OPENSOURCE [VERSION #!1]
                                  For version #2 see Dankie [sorry,] that's not derogatory

BUT ALL HELP AND ADDITIONAL RESEARCH WILL SPEED UP THE PROCESS

 Dankie
Charm school, and a few marketing class's might help your OPENSOURCE endeavor

Goodnight men, remember teach a man to fish
More to follow

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 08, 2009, 04:58:29 AM
AN updated version from a HERO of the cause


Summary of Stanley Meyer’s water for fuel technology by h2opower

This will be a compilation of all of my theories regarding how Stanley Meyer was able to utilized water as a fuel source. It focuses on Stanley Meyers water fuel injection system, answers most questions as to where does the energy come from, and shows the purpose of many items found in Stanley Meyer’s patent.

The Gas Processor


The Gas processor (GP) is the most important part of Stanley Meyers whole system coupled with the Electron Extraction Circuit(EEC) for without them you can have no Hydrogen Fracturing Process. The purpose of the GP is to raise the energy content of the whole reaction by stripping electrons from the incoming air supply by a corona discharge(Ion impact charging of the atoms). It is made to focus on the Oxygen atom in that the LEDs coherent light is chosen to match oxygen’s wave lengths and are used to bombard the oxygen atoms at the right wavelengths. The pulsing of the EEC and LEDs are the same and 180 degrees from that of the GP. Here are the ionization energy levels of oxygen:
• 1st 1313.9 kJ/mol
• 2nd 3388.3 kJ/mol
• 3rd 5300.5 kJ/mol
• 4th 7469.2 kJ/mol
• 5th 10909.5 kJ/mol
• 6th 13326.5 kJ/mol
• 7th 71330.0 kJ/mol
• 8th 84078.0 kJ/mol
Now let us take a look at the reaction to break and form the water molecule under normal conditions.
4 H-O 459 kJ/mol bonds are broken taking 1836 kJ/mol to do so.
2 H-H 436 kJ/mol bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 498 kJ/mol are formed yielding 1370 kJ/mol.

This is why all scientist say it takes more energy to break the bonds of water than you get from combining them, for the net sum of the reaction is negative, 1370-1836 = -466 kJ/mol.

Now the new reactions after the GP has stripped the electrons off of the oxygen atom are known as ionic reactions. Let’s take a look at the 1st energy level of 1313.9 kJ/mol.

The new reaction to form the water molecule 1st energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 1313.9 kJ/mol are formed yielding 2185.9 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is now positive 2185.9-1836 = +349.9 kJ/mol, so now we are getting more energy out than in. To give the energy level a bench mark for comparison the energy content of gasoline is +4864 kJ/mol. So only striping one electron off of the oxygen atom resulted in a positive energy level but still far behind that of gasoline.

Stanley Meyer said he stripped four electrons off of the oxygen atom so let us take a look at the reaction as told to us in the patent.
The new reaction to form the water molecule at the 4th energy level is as follows:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol are formed yielding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/mol
Now this is more than 1.3 times the energy content of that of gasoline, and gives an answer to the question of, “How did Stanley Meyer ran his 1.6L engine with an hho production rate of only 7L/min.?”

Another question some might have at this stage. “Why doesn’t the GP make Ozone?” That is the job of the Electron Extraction Circuit(EEC). The gas speeds inside of the GP and the proximity to the EEC’s positive screen mesh grid doesn’t give the freshly stripped electrons a chance to form ozone by consuming them in the form of heat. The unstable oxygen atoms will have a positive charge and will be unable to stabilize for at least 0.74 seconds. That may sound like a short time but the gas speeds inside of an engines intake system are very fast. What the gas speeds are I will leave for the reader to calculate. Without the EEC the GP will only produce mostly ozone, though ozone does have a higher energy content than normal oxygen atoms it also will oxidize just about anything it comes into contact with.

Quote:
Non-sequential ionization

When the fact that the electric field of light is an alternating electric field is combined with tunnel ionization, the phenomenon of non-sequential ionization emerges. An electron that tunnels out from an atom or molecule may be sent right back in by the alternating field, at which point it can either recombine with the atom or molecule and release any excess energy, or it also has the chance to further ionize the atom or molecule through high energy collisions. This additional ionization is referred to as non-sequential ionization for two reasons: one, there is no order to how the second electron is removed, and two, an atom or molecule with a +2 charge can be created straight from an atom or molecule with a neutral charge, so the integer charges are not sequential. Non-sequential ionization is often studied at lower laser-field intensities, since most ionization events are sequential when the ionization rate is high.

Now let us look at what is said in the patent:
Thermal Explosive Energy


Exposing the expelling "laser-primed" and "electrically charged" combustible gas ions (exiting from
Gas Resonant Cavity) to a thermal-spark or heat-zone causes thermal gas-ignition, releasing thermal
explosive energy (gmt) beyond the Gas-Flame Stage, as illustrated in Figure (1-19) as to (1-18). { What this is saying is the mixture can be either spark or heat ignited to set off the reaction.}
Thermal Atomic interaction (gmt) is caused when the combustible gas ions (from water) fail to
unite or form a Covalent Link-up or Covalent Bond between the water molecule atoms. as
illustrated in Figure (1-19). The oxygen atom having less than four covalent electrons (Electron
Extraction Process) is unable to reach "Stable-State" (six to eight covalent electrons required) when
the two hydrogen atoms seeks to form the water molecule during thermal gas ignition. { This is saying that Meyer stripped the oxygen atom to its' 4th ionization energy level of 7469.2 kJ/mol or less than the 4th energy level. Why because the oxygen atom has eight electrons in its' outer orbit.}
The absorbed Laser energy (Va. Vb and V c) weakens the "Electrical Bond" between the orbital
electrons and the nucleus of the atoms; while, at the same time, electrical attraction-force (qq'),
being stronger than "Normal" due to the lack of covalent electrons. "Locks Onto" and "Keeps" the
hydrogen electrons. These “abnormal” or “unstable” conditions cause the combustible gas ions to
over compensate and breakdown into thermal explosive energy (gmt). { What this part is saying is that these primed oxygen atoms have enough energy to break the water down and re-react with them with more energy yield than just the hydrogen/oxygen reaction in air alone. Plus tells that the photonic energy is also stripping electrons from the oxygen atom.} This Atomic Thermal Interaction between highly energized combustible gas ions is hereinafter called "The Hydrogen Fracturing Process."
By simply attenuating or varying voltage amplitude in direct relationship to voltage pulse-rate
determines Atomic Power-Yield under controlled state. { This part is telling us that by simply raising/lowering the voltage we can control the power output of the reaction, and he went and grouped terms again.}

Also in the patent:
The Hydrogen Fracturing Process dissociates the water molecule
by way of voltage stimulation, ionizes the combustible gases by
electron ejection and, then, prevents the formation of the water
molecule during thermal gas ignition ... releasing thermal
explosive energy beyond "normal" gas burning levels under
control state ... and the atomic energy process is environmentally
safe.

Abstract of WO9222679
An injector system comprising an improved
method and apparatus useful in the production of
a hydrogen containing fuel gas from water in a
process in which the dielectric property of water
and/or a mixture of water and other components
determines a resonate condition that produces a
breakdown of the atomic bonding of atoms in the
water molecule. The injector delivers a mixture of
water mist(1), ionized gases(2), and non-
combustible gas(3) to a zone or locus(5) within
which the breakdown process leading to the
release of elemental hydrogen from the water
molecules occurs. {This is giving us the formula needed to break down water into its elemental forms hydrogen and oxygen with just the Gas Processor, water fuel injector, and a spark ignition or high heat ignition from a high compression type engine16:1 or higher. The need of the firestorm type spark plug is a must so that it makes sure the reaction occurs, that would be considered the locus. That formula is: water mist, ionized gases, noncombustible gas, and spark or heat ignition.}

The water fuel injectors


The water fuel injectors create micro-mini capacitors out of water by passing the atomized water mist through a high voltage zone. After careful study of the water fuel injector I found out that the inside electrode is surrounded by a column of air at 125 psi so the water mist never comes into direct contact with the center electrode.

How you get voltage to perform work is by physically changing the area, thus changing the charge surface density. This is very important information to know when it comes to understanding how Stanley Meyer got the some of the water mist to break down into hydrogen and oxygen. As the highly charged water mist mixes with the unstable oxygen atoms and recirculated exhaust gases it evaporates, thus changing the surface area allowing voltage to perform work on the water molecule. In a way he set a condition that caused the water molecules to short circuit. This is made possible due to the properties of water being that water is a dielectric liquid. Remember the relaxation time for water is є/σ< 10-6 seconds and for air є/σ> 10 seconds giving the water plenty of time to evaporate while still retaining its induced image charges from the injectors high voltage zone. The water mist is given a negative charge as a result.

Steam Resonator


The Steam Resonators job is to heat the water up to around 90 degrees C or more so that when the water is injected into the engine in vacuum conditions it immediately turns into vapor(not steam) thus aiding the water to evaporate faster, allowing voltage to perform work on the water molecules more readily. The Steam Resonators works much the same as a microwave oven by making the water molecules dipoles switch back and forth causing inter molecular friction.

More to follow

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 08, 2009, 12:18:17 PM
Good Morning world!![at least here in USA]
Read the above with your coffee, start to learn about this WONDER FULL gift we have been given

More to come
Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 08, 2009, 01:59:40 PM
Quote
induced image charges from the injectors high voltage zone. The water mist is given a negative charge as a result.
????????????????????
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 08, 2009, 06:26:13 PM
Outlaw

I agree sounds silly [a misprint?]

Where is that quote from?

Chet
ARE YOU CORRECTING MY SPELLING??[buzz]
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 08, 2009, 10:38:50 PM
there were no corrections being made in my last post therefore how am i correcting your spelling???? that whole quote just flew right over my head... you want to take the negative energy, which is electrons, and give them back to the highly posiitve charged gases?? it defeats the purpose of the ionized gas. thats why you should listen instead of bringing garbage over here cause u dont even know how you contradict yourself..
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 08, 2009, 11:04:02 PM
Outlaw

I was talking about the first part of that quote
Know I see what you are talking about. The tiny little screen I was using this morning I really couldn't
see it all that well

AND THE OTHER PART WAS AN ATTEMPT AT HUMOR [MY STUPID}

However, I will let the soldier explain his post

More later

Chet

 
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 09, 2009, 02:24:15 AM
All

This is a lot of work [so what!!!,the payoff is big!!]

While you wait

 THIS GUY IS THE REAL DEAL, A TRUE BLUE OPEN SOURCE HERO

                                             GROUNDLOOP

And he has something going on !!

       Here .......   http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6519.250

                       The kind of man you would trust with your life!!!
    Chet

More later
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 09, 2009, 05:11:05 PM
More from the Buzz

The VIC is the ground side of the circuit. The water mixed with ionized radicals is the positive side of the circuit. Da!

The highest voltage mosfet I own is around 900 volts. Without all that stainless RESISTIVE wire between the charged water and the mosfet you will smoke the mosfets.

The air/gas processor is in the back end of the injector in later model. Under the plastic cover by the spark plug wire is a filter and needle valve where the air goes in through an aspirator, gets radicalized by the gas gun (ozone), goes down through the center insulated tube / electrode, enters the tiny little resonant cavities and mixes with the water, hits the spray grills and "FRACTURES" hits gets further compressed in the taper resonant cavity where it hits the two ground electrodes and explodes.

 The two electrodes are connected to the vic coil which is made of stainless so they don't donate electrons back to the water (LIMIT CURRENT FLOW) the SS coil does resonate and then gets switched to ground through the mosfets. The chokes limit current going to the mosfets.

The connector that controls the mosfets is on the side (Three contacts) The center contact is positive which drives the LED lasers in the gas gun and this process all happens in a fraction of a second.

Water going to the injector is at 120PSI.

That is how it  works. I built it a year ago with the plasma electrolysis which has been on my site ever since. Only one person to my knowledge ever had the fucking brains to put the plasma tube before the cell to produce those radical (O3 - O4) atoms  - me. It is called bond cleaving in general and .

Oh yeah, if you want to draw energy from the circuit, connect it to that outer bifilar coil. I am pretty sure that connected to the resonant cavity boxes on the side which should contain a cap and a diode which is charged opposite the water so the water and gas exchange electrons. (bond cleaving)

More later
Chet

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 09, 2009, 06:31:23 PM
ramsat,
can you post your own work and stop being a little grunt messenger bringing information from the buzz? so if you are getting info from buzz and sharing it, what does he go by these days on the forum? also why is the buzz using stainless.. i thought he mad a big deal out of dankies stainless saying its not nessasary?

outlawsrc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 09, 2009, 06:55:33 PM
Outlaw
This info was posted on this Forum, by the Buzz

I realize your animosity towards theBuzz [well deserved ]

He did not like Dankies claims of the wire being the'' ONLY'' wire

Before you came to this thread, the Buzz said he left it ALL here {Grumpy agreed]

         I will continue to search all post's, by any one anywhere that are relevant

Several members lost their homes [to the banks]just today [in this VERY small slice of the world]

More to come

Chet



Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 09, 2009, 07:17:20 PM
we have read this whole thread ramset...  you keep bringing up past discussion like a ghost of the buzz presents, there is no  useful information you posted of buzz's past post.. we are on the right path.. we have seen pictures of the REAL stain meyer 6-1.. we know what we are going for.. and we are sharing it with everyone... we bring up present date questions. you slur them up with the past,, you get my drift? we have read it ramset.. by you back tracking to catch up you dont need to post it again.. any one that is interested can go back through the thread and read it,, just because it was posted in the past dont mean its not still OPEN SOURCE.. . bring some relativity to the plate or just watch the thread.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 09, 2009, 07:28:42 PM
Outlaw
This HAS NOT BEEN REPLICATED !!

PICTURES?? men of Genius in this and many other forums stare at pictures [of working devices]
for YEARS trying to fit all the pieces together

YOU ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY '' DO NOT'' HAVE THIS TECH WORKING!!

As I said I have peeps that dreams are made of, I come from a very strong gene pool Unfortunately I am on the shallow end .However I have MUCH experience in how to utilize people and get results
       That is why I won't make a poor presentation of these Techs to them [that would be disrespectful of  their time]


more later

Chet
PS If you read the whole thread, why did you think that was a NEW post and make all those accusations

Sorry About that replication remark

THE SOLDIER HAS IT GOING ON!!

OH and about your previous question    ""Negative????????????????????????????""

Here
                             FROM THE SOLDIER [H2O POWER]
 Originally Posted by natone_m  View Post
Once again so I understand, the injectors purpose is to give the water mist a negative charge so that the positive oxygen can react with it? It's not necessarily producing HHO? The reaction happens upon ignition, correct? How does the injector give the mist a negative charge? The outer elctrode is mounted to the engine. Does the inner electrode have a hv positive charge? I guess the real question I should be asking is, is the injector necessary to make the reaction occur? It's been stated before with your calculations that the reaction can happen if there are enough electrons stripped from the oxygen.

Next question would be on delivery. My test that I'm planning doing will be on a 5 - 10 HP Briggs. Does the mixture need to be injected with 100 - 120 psi like SM stated? Can the mixture be metered in using the engines vacuum? If not what kind of displacement pumps and fast acting valves would be best? I was planning on taking the carb. and intake manifold off and fabricating a new intake with ports for the mixture. Is this a good approach?

1st question: If you switch the injectors positive and negetive placements from this patent: Stanley Meyer: Water Electrolysis -- Canadian Patent # 2067735 -- Water Fule Injection System due to the outside (7a,7b) of the injector is connected to the head of the engine which is grounded. Then you have to look at where the water is being injected from which is 3a, 1a is for ionized gases, and 2a is for recirculated exhaust gases. Looking at this we can see that the air gases create a column of air all around the positive electrode(Meyer has it labed as negetive 8). The voltage zone is 7a/b and 8, and water being a dielectric liquid picks up an induced image charge from these voltage zones. Yes, I think this is nessasary despite my saying the water mist is being split by the unstable oxygen atoms. But the voltage given to the water molecule helps to break the water down also. If you ask me the voltage given to the water fuel injectors is set, and the voltage given to the Gas Processor is veryable keeping pace with the engines systems and needs.

2nd question: All that has to be tested out I am affaid, for I don't have the answer to most of those questions. Does it have to be at 125 psi? Again not sure but mine are. I got my pump from here: Snow Performance: Home

Best of luck in you efforts,

H2O Power

More to come
Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 09, 2009, 09:13:04 PM
Quote
Outlaw
This HAS NOT BEEN REPLICATED !!

PICTURES?? men of Genius in this and many other forums stare at pictures [of working devices]
for YEARS trying to fit all the pieces together

i never said it has been replicated... but most likely will be here soon... why do you put words in my mouth? i said that we have seen real images of the 6-1 transformer.. not a replication of stan meyers 6-1.. so say what you want twist what you want.. when proof starts showing up from results of replicating stans work then maybe you will listen... sure people may have stared at pictures of objects and have tried to understand them.. but we have seen a schematic and pictures of the object.. this object has not even one replication shown on overunity sites fully assembled.. so where are all these genius's that have replicated there findings and why doesnt any of them look like the real one?


outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 09, 2009, 09:41:27 PM
Outlaw

""Never been replicated"" is my justification for gathering this info here

Not accusing you of making any such claims

The Genius's I spoke of are EVERYWHERE not just Meyer tech

And as you know, a Schematic can drive you nuts ,a working device that's a whole diff story
More later

Chet
PS I can't tell you how much I would LOVE you guys coming here and sharing [not with towels covering secret parts] a working Vic

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on March 10, 2009, 12:04:24 AM
Ramset, for crying out loud... what are you and your old grandma on mate?

It's painful to read your MIND-NUMBINGLY daft [stupid] posts. You bring nothing to the party [but expect everyone to share their JELLY and ICE CREAM]

Get an EDUCATION mate and [start doing some thinking of your own}. You are clearly a parasite hoping to cash in on other peoples hard work.

You write nonsense [gibberish} and talk rubbish [bollocks]

I almost feel sorry {not quite] for the mentally challenged retards you are annoying!!

no more to come  ;D
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 10, 2009, 12:13:56 AM
Ramset, for crying out loud... what are you and your old grandma on mate?

It's painful to read your [stupid] posts. You bring nothing to the party [but expect everyone to share their jelly and ice cream]

Get an education mate and [start doing some thinking of your own}.

You write nonsense [gibberish] and talk rubbish [bollocks]

I almost feel sorry {not quite] for the mentally challenged retards you are annoying!! ;D

Well said Farrah Day [TheBuzz]

Seriously Ramset , are you going out [sexing] with your grandma ?

You dont sound very smart Ramset  [daft]

More to come [nothing , same old crap]
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 10, 2009, 12:25:32 AM
Sorry you and the girl are the way you are

However more from the soldier

I have a question for you h2o power how did you made your coils? i'm asking about the white material what is its q factor? stray capacitance ...? i'm designing very high Q ones, and i tried pll design but i thought about using only white noise to control the cell. what do you use as the signal generator?

Best regards
Hi,

I made them from delrin, was going to use nylon but saw no need for it when I made my calculations, and I think it was 400 volts per mil or more. I use a Dr. Dingel type signal genarator that was on the web some years back it made use of the 40106 chip
End quote

The lady, she speaks for her self [almost all the time]

Dankie you need more charm school

And definitely more marketing skills! Does a marketing opportunity have to run you over?

And probably a few self defense courses[unless you only have WEB BALLS and never talk face to face with peeps like that]
More to come.

Chet


Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 10, 2009, 01:07:26 AM
Sorry you and the girl are the way you are

However more from the soldier

I have a question for you h2o power how did you made your coils? i'm asking about the white material what is its q factor? stray capacitance ...? i'm designing very high Q ones, and i tried pll design but i thought about using only white noise to control the cell. what do you use as the signal generator?

Best regards
Hi,

I made them from delrin, was going to use nylon but saw no need for it when I made my calculations, and I think it was 400 volts per mil or more. I use a Dr. Dingel type signal genarator that was on the web some years back it made use of the 40106 chip
End quote

The lady, she speaks for her self [almost all the time]

Dankie you need more charm school

And definitely more marketing skills! Does a marketing opportunity have to run you over?

And probably a few self defense courses[unless you only have WEB BALLS and never talk face to face with peeps like that]
More to come.

Chet




Ramset , plz go and market for me

lIttle pet that I am the owner of , worship the VIC coil and injector like it was egyptian artifacts  . Spread my message across every thread , every person you know , every grandma .

Now go and do something that you can do , go ask all your neighbors for $ and tell them I will save all the grandmas , rob them if they dont wanna donate [even grandma] , explain to them later its for their own good ... go lad , get some money for good ol dankie , you will make grandma proud .
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 10, 2009, 01:25:36 AM
Dankie

Money?? thats banking

Listen take my word for it '"''MARKETING"" of course when ANYONE gets this working And OPENSOURSE'S the tech ,the world will beat a path to their door

Meanwhile  Smart talent marketing  AIN"T WHAT YOU DO!!  [JEESH almost 10000 hits here and your talking like an 8 year old]

Maybe, since money seems so important to you , go into banking YOU ARE DEFINITELY CUT OUT TO BE A BANKER
More later

Chet

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 10, 2009, 01:29:25 AM
Dankie

Money?? thats banking

Listen take my word for it '"''MARKETING"" of course when ANYONE gets this working And OPENSOURSE'S the tech ,the world will beat a path to their door

Meanwhile  Smart talent marketing  AIN"T WHAT YOU DO!!

Maybe, since money seems so important to you , go into banking YOU ARE DEFINITELY CUT OUT TO BE A BANKER
More later

Chet



YES $$$

I have much tools to buy , I cant do everything on my own . Send some $ to Hydrocarz also , he will teach you  a nice alternator trick . Everybody will get involved , everybody will suffer  . Then maybe just maybe we will feel like open sourcing .

Right now we are facing slow downs , everything is slow and expensive .
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 10, 2009, 01:41:26 AM
Dankie

That was the first time you made me laugh

Yes money is the BIGGEST problem of private experimenters

You do remember my agenda does not conflict with yours, I don't need an alternator for OUR OPEN SOURCE furnace

More later

Chet

 
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 10, 2009, 05:52:06 AM
  Info from user the Buzz
There is  a wire type that would work and it would be perfect for the job since it is a copper and stainless steel composite. That wire is used to damp ringing in high frequency lines. The center conductor of many coax cables are made that way.

Now why do you think we need to damp ringing? Maybe it is because the coil shown, and Meyer's patent, both have many taps and as we hit those taps in rapid succession, it causes ringing. That is how Meyer step charged his cell at some point.

In his rotary pulse generator the voltage stepped up 8 times and you can prove that by looking at the end plate of the rotary generator. In that VIC transformer photo, we see 8 sets of outer primary winding pairs or common more chokes.

Now why would Meyer do that? I'm guessing it is because water is diamagnetic which makes it reflect a pulsed charge causing a massive impedance which rapidly changes as the gas bubbles form between the plates.

Think of it this way  - If your car is stuck in the snow and to run at the car and hit it with all your force, you will dent the car and hurt yourself and the car will not move. But... what if you slowly rock the car back and forth, each time pushing harder? Then the car moves and gets unstuck. That is why you go from high amp to high volts in rapid successive pulses. (Step Charging)

Attached is an image from Meyer's patent US5149407 Notice how the transformer is tapped? That is just a representational patent drawing, not a schematic. It is designed to fool you but anyone with even the most basic understanding of magnetics understands two things.

1. The VIC photo has multiple primaries and is most likely acting as an accelerator with the pancake coils.

Now there is another possibility.. When you hit H2 gas with UV and a high voltage, it transmutes into H1 and a huge blast of electricity is produced. This is why Meyer said the CENTER ELECTRODE could be used for energy recapture. Many free energy devices in the past used this process.

Now in order to switch the two ground plane contacts off to the side of the center electrode (VIC), you would need a bunch of resistive wire or you would blow the mosfets up. In fact, you would also want to build a choke to block that huge burst of current. Those outer coils could also be what is known as common mode chokes. The schematic in MeyerPhotos.zip indicates that unless the copper/stainless steel wire is used.

But wait, the high voltage is coming from the spark plug wire. Now why would we need to generate more high voltage inside the injector? What we really need is a way to switch the two ground electrodes. See what I am saying? In that case we would want to use resistive wire.


Now for Meyer...
Stan got rid of the tube cell in short order when he realized it was not really needed. Stan found that by ionizing the air and mixing that with water, the ozone he produced would split the water when it was mixed, compressed, expanded and hit with an arc. The arc is the "dead short" .

Even on Stan's first dune buggy, 1/3 of the back end was covered with a big metal box filled with nickle plates generating ozone. That and the tiny amount of hydrogen he was producing in his tube cell was enough to make a VW engine idle as long as the rotary pulse generator was plugged into his house. So Stan was really just transferring power from his house current to his engine that day. Once he figured out the value of the photolytic process of hydrogen production, things got better and he could run the engine just fine.
.

I Ramset knows the photolytic process Meyer used, I disclosed it to him.'' edit chet'' [and I disclosed it here]                                   

Nobody works together, nobody shares information - just what some people want.

If you really want to run a car on water, you are going to have to let go of your silly tube cells and learn the photolytic process. There is not one single picture of Meyer driving down the road with a tube cell on the back of that dune buggy. The reason the [derogatory word] don't get that is they would not know the difference between a UV / ionized gas generator tube, a tube cell or the injector if you shoved it up their poop shoot. Everyone just assumes that it is inside the milk can just like they assume this web site is promoting free energy.

If Hartman really is interested in creating a free energy web site that can produce results, he is going to have to find someone to moderate out the spooks and [derogatory word]. As it is, the fox is renting the hen house.

More later
Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 10, 2009, 01:12:04 PM
Now there is another possibility.. When you hit H2 gas with UV and a high voltage, it transmutes into H1 and a huge blast of electricity is produced. This is why Meyer said the CENTER ELECTRODE could be used for energy recapture. Many free energy devices in the past used this process.


@Chet
Please expand on the above comment and do you have any other references to this subject?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 10, 2009, 03:35:44 PM
AhuraMazda

The Buzz left comments all through his posts about this ,things happening on a molecular level, getting atoms into a certain state [unnatural]keeping them in that state, and making moments of opportunity
where you can take advantage of this imbalance , before nature  restores order

These posts are a gold mine of info with bits and pieces mixed in with other comments edit[which I delete, just post the meat]

More from the Buzz

The VIC is the ground side of the circuit. The water mixed with ionized radicals is the positive side of the circuit. Da!

The highest voltage mosfet I own is around 900 volts. Without all that stainless RESISTIVE wire between the charged water and the mosfet you will smoke the mosfets.

The air/gas processor is in the back end of the injector in later model. Under the plastic cover by the spark plug wire is a filter and needle valve where the air goes in through an aspirator, gets radicalized by the gas gun (ozone), goes down through the center insulated tube / electrode, enters the tiny little resonant cavities and mixes with the water, hits the spray grills and "FRACTURES" hits gets further compressed in the taper resonant cavity where it hits the two ground electrodes and explodes.

 The two electrodes are connected to the vic coil which is made of stainless so they don't donate electrons back to the water (LIMIT CURRENT FLOW) the SS coil does resonate and then gets switched to ground through the mosfets. The chokes limit current going to the mosfets.

The connector that controls the mosfets is on the side (Three contacts) The center contact is positive which drives the LED lasers in the gas gun and this process all happens in a fraction of a second.

Water going to the injector is at 120PSI.

That is how it  works. I built it a year ago with the plasma electrolysis which has been on my site ever since. Only one person to my knowledge ever had the  brains to put the plasma tube before the cell to produce those radical (O3 - O4) atoms  - me. It is called bond cleaving in general and .

Oh yeah, if you want to draw energy from the circuit, connect it to that outer bifilar coil. I am pretty sure that connected to the resonant cavity boxes on the side which should contain a cap and a diode which is charged opposite the water so the water and gas exchange electrons. (bond cleaving)

More later

                      General info from the Linderman group  [H3O -OH hypergas [the brass ring]
                    And Samuel Friedman Here  http://www.free-energy.ws/samuel-freedman.html

HYDROGEN: Hydrogen has been proclaimed to be the fuel of the future. Hydrogen is an extremely abundant element, as it is the major component of water (H2O). Hydrogen can be liberated from water with an electrical process called electrolysis, using any source of electricity available. When burned, hydrogen recombines with oxygen to form water vapor with no other pollutants. From an environmental point of view, you can see the appeal of hydrogen as a fuel.

Depending on how it is done, water electrolysis can produce three different products. 1) Separate hydrogen and oxygen gases, 2) an electrically expanded water molecule referred to as "Brown's Gas", or 3) a very volatile gas mixture referred to as "hyper-gas". Some people believe this extremely explosive gas is H3O-OH. Others believe that this gas contains free hydrogen atoms, which are known to be more explosive than H2 molecules. Whatever it is, this last, most energetic product of electrolysis, seems to be the key to efficient use of hydrogen fuel from water.

Hydrogen and oxygen can also be produced by a special alloy invented by Samuel Freedman that spontaneously dissociates water. This discovery could make hydrogen available at very low cost, if commercialized. There are also other alloys that can catalyze the dissociation of water in the presence of low levels of heat.

There have also been proprietary methods of water electrolysis that can produce large amounts of hydrogen with relatively small amounts of electricity developed by Stan Meyer, Xogen, and others.

One thing is for sure. Hydrogen fuel is in our future.
More to come
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Farrah Day on March 10, 2009, 05:25:38 PM
AM

can you still get access to mouserebellion.com forums or is the website down at present?

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 10, 2009, 06:25:14 PM
ramsat,
can you post your own work and stop being a little grunt messenger bringing information from the buzz? so if you are getting info from buzz and sharing it, what does he go by these days on the forum? also why is the buzz using stainless.. i thought he mad a big deal out of dankies stainless saying its not nessasary?

outlawsrc

@outlawsrc

Your posts are all insidious and pointless. If you don't want to contribute or are not interested in an intelligent dialogue, just go away and leave us to it you sad sorry individual.

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 10, 2009, 06:30:13 PM
Farrah Day
Now that was a very good post

mouserebellion.com

Chet

More later
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 11, 2009, 04:01:54 AM
More from the Buzz
After a bit more research into Meyer I think I have sorted the wheat from the chaff.

The videos on the web have been spliced and the magical thinking minds of the people researching this have been tricked into thinking that Stan split water in a tube cell with milliwatts power. There is no evidence of that and the gas from his original cell would only idle a VW at best. There is also a huge ozone generator on the back of the buggy at that time that everyone ignores. The milliwatt power was going to the ozone generator in the air/gas processor.

Some people think that Stan claimed he could run a car on water generating hydrogen from a tube cell and he could have, but the particle generator was not allowed into the public domain. I.e., the national security patent review system suppressed the invention. It worked the way many free energy devices worked through H2 to H1 transmute using a UV laser. That is another story. Bottom line, Stan never ran his car that way either.

So this is the history of Stan's water car and the solution to the mystery of  coil photo.

Patents can be downloaded here: http://pat2pdf.org

September 1986 US patent 4613304  
In the device there are several accelerator coils for "pumping gas" and a few other things like a gas recycle system.

Notice on Stan's tube cell none of that exists? In fact, there is not a single instance I am aware of where the tube cell was powering the car on its own. The rotary pulse generator was always run from an extension cord. You could probably have enough power out of a 1 horse motor to idle that small engine once the compression was nullified by the engine running. I.e, the electric motor was running the car from house current.

May 1989 US 4826581
By this point Meyer has discovered the photolytic process. The patent clearly reveals the high frequency laser.

June 1990 US 4936961.
If you read the first paragraph - Objects of the invention - it states Fig. 3A through 3F are illustrations depicting the theoretical bases for phenomena during operation of the invention herein."

Electrolysis was hardly a phenomena neither was a pulsed DC source or a water capacitor. This patent appears to be nothing more than a way to re-patent electrolysis. Meyer had discovered the photolytic process already.

Sept 1992 US 5149407
Meyer now patents the photolytic process. The laser and the resonant cavities needed to produce the oxides are revealed.

By ionizing ambient air into a radical form of ozone O4, he was able to get that ozone to steal the covalent electrons that bond the H and O together when fired through the injector at 120 PSI, further compressed in the taper cavity and then suddenly expanded causing the water ozone mix to flash into steam. When hit with a high voltage arc from a vertox racing magneto and possibly laser light, it all flashed into hydroxy and exploded.

March 1994 US 5293857
In this patent Stan brings it all together with the management system, the air gas processor is fully disclosed, the laser, the injectors, everything. At this point in the evolution there are apparently no tube cells in the system.

Now look at the front cover of the box:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6702.msg155635#msg155635

Notice the patent number 5297857? That is the last patent Stan filed on the water car and there were no tube cells at that point.

That coil is the HV coil (VIC) that powers the electrodes in the ozone generator in the air gas processor. That coil is bank wound and that is how we wind a high voltage coil to prevent the layers from shorting. The rule is something like ten winds per layer and each layer has to be insulated.

This is the last patent Meyer filed on the water car and it was fully evolved for commercial production at that point. There were no tube cells in the process at that point and the front cover of that box proves what it is.

I was probably wrong on the connector. The connector on the box looks like a 15 pin computer joystick connector but I had another look and that cannot be determined. One thing that can be though, there are only four taps shown on that coil and that is what you would see for a standard HV coil along with the bank windings.

The VIC transformer that Dankie put up is a high voltage transformer for the air/gas processor to produce ozone and does not appear to have anything too special about it. High voltage transformers are bank wound like that to prevent arcing between the layers.

Stan never ran a car on water without external power without the ozone process. Stan never ran a car on just tubes cells without external power and their is no evidence of that. In fact, Stan never ran a car on water until he used the photolytic ionized air process. There is no evidence that Meyer ever did it any other way.

Hopefully that should solve the mystery of Dankie's coil photos and prove that nobody has replicated Meyer.

By ionizing air in an ozone generator or plasma tube and placing the tube cell under a vacuum and removing the gas through an aspirator pump you replicate many of the aspects of the invention. That is what my vacuum plasma electrolysis project taught anyone living in reality.

Used neon sign transformer from a sign shop - 50 bucks.
SS mesh and a jar - 10 bucks.
100 watt mercury vapor lamp with outer globe crushed in a vice - 12 bucks
A ballast to run the mercury vapor lamp - 100 bucks.
A fish tank pump - 20 bucks

I have done it two different ways. .
More to come

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 11, 2009, 12:06:11 PM
Something quite amazing, posted by user zerotensor here

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6996.0;topicseen

Chet
more to come
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 11, 2009, 04:46:23 PM
AhuraMazda,
you must be mistaken me for someone else.. i have posted very usefull information some pages back.. here is some more..  ramsat just soundsl like a broken record to me.


outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 11, 2009, 04:48:28 PM
here is another intellect idea


outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 11, 2009, 04:52:53 PM
AhuraMazda,
is there any useful info in these drawings? any over looked ideas people aren't seeing?

outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 11, 2009, 04:55:49 PM
found these a couple days ago.

outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 11, 2009, 05:00:16 PM
Outlaw

Personally, I found this Quite interesting

By ionizing air in an ozone generator or plasma tube and placing the tube cell under a vacuum and removing the gas through an aspirator pump you replicate many of the aspects of the invention. That is what my vacuum plasma electrolysis project taught anyone living in reality.

Used neon sign transformer from a sign shop - 50 bucks.
SS mesh and a jar - 10 bucks.
100 watt mercury vapor lamp with outer globe crushed in a vice - 12 bucks
A ballast to run the mercury vapor lamp - 100 bucks.
A fish tank pump - 20 bucks

I have done it two different ways. .

That is very interesting ,and for an enterprising person even cheaper
Myself< I think a lot can be learned from this little gem left here by the Buzz

I know  some people find that very funny[this experiment] LET OTHERS MAKE THEIR OWN CONCLUSIONS


Part of another very nice post ,at the bottom of the page you just passed #80

Chet
more later
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 11, 2009, 05:33:21 PM
ramset,
so your talking about a vacuum state for ionization of oxygen?... i think my alternator schematic is how stan had his hooked up.. the copper wire of the chokes.. are only used for ionization of air since the air gap provides better resistance then water.. notice how my stainless steel positive is hooked on primarys positive side of induction.. i think it will give it a effect kinda like when someones give a speech over a microphone and if the mics sensitivity is to sensitive if will start echoing until it is a continuous non stop noise..



outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 11, 2009, 06:39:27 PM
Outlaw

Bud ,I like the sound of that, like a cascade

On the subject of the amazing [and electricity and water]

Posted By zerotensor ,A MUST SEE

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6996.0;topicseen

BTW  theBuzz spoke of Polarizing water and shared a simple experiment [which I will post when I find it]
Chet
More later
Title: o
Post by: Dave45 on March 11, 2009, 08:08:46 PM
@Chet
 Man I think your doing a great job posting relevant info I know it takes an awful lot of time to research these post and copy them here. I for one wanted to say thanks and to everyone Outlaw Dankie Buzz even though you got banned and to everyone thanx and keep up the great work.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 11, 2009, 08:17:11 PM
Dave
Thanks
Lots of info, LOTS OF GEMS TO BE MINED

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 11, 2009, 09:25:45 PM
AhuraMazda,
you must be mistaken me for someone else.. i have posted very usefull information some pages back.. here is some more..  ramsat just soundsl like a broken record to me.

outlawstc

outlawstc
I am humbled by your contribution.
My comments were aimed at outlawsrc and not you! LOL

Thanks everyone for sharing your information.

The reason we are all still here is because none of us really know for sure how WFC or water injector worked.

Anyone who can show me a replicable working device will be rewarded handsomely.

Please believe me that we are the only people that can help our selves in the times that are unfolding. This observation is simply based on the fact that people's trust (even the dumb ones) in the governments around the world is collapsing and govenments will use the "scarcity" tactic to control the populus followed by sheer force.

Anyway if we have any know it alls in our midst, I heard something very wise:

Absolute certainty is a privilage of uneducated minds and fanatics




Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 11, 2009, 09:38:31 PM
Something quite amazing, posted by user zerotensor here

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6996.0;topicseen

Chet
more to come

Chet,
Am I missing something? I can not see the relevance of the water bridiging gizmo to Meyer stuff.
Several years back some Polish Tesla club was showing this kind of thing. Also, Dr Stiffler had
some nice effect in one of his experiments where water in a test tube looked like the bridges in a bamboo.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 11, 2009, 09:57:44 PM
AhuraMazda

Showing the effects of high voltage on water [attaining a polarity [charge] the water flows across the bridge attracted  from anode to cathode

 I followed much of the Docs work[still do], have some sec's

I never saw that test tube vid ,Not high voltage as used by Meyer But would be interesting[Very]

The video, real time of the still NOT understood bridge

 Seeing yet another effect of high voltage on water http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=Floating+Water+Bridge&aq=f  vid #2 real time 1 min
                                         Should make your jaw drop
BTW the Buzz felt this appropriate and an interesting anomaly in one of his posts, with an experiment to see water molecules all aligning under charge. looking for that info as I go

Chet
more later


Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 11, 2009, 10:37:21 PM
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Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 12, 2009, 03:01:22 AM
ribbit ribbit.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: dankie on March 12, 2009, 03:07:53 AM
Excellent research as always , thx for pointing us out the truth mechanism behind Meyers , thx for all your efforts  .

We would have saved alot of time if people would just follow directions .



Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2009, 03:18:58 AM
Dankie

Can you back that up with facts??

More later
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 12, 2009, 03:25:43 AM
PS: VIC coil works , this is just the beginning .

We would have saved alot of time if people would just follow directions .


dankie,
We are all glad from your good news but what do you mean the the coil works? On its own, it is just a component of a system.  How did you establish that it works.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 12, 2009, 03:29:44 AM
you can make it work with 2 components a variable frequency and gate with a pll circuit.. sure theres more components for the car.. but to see output you dont need the whole 9 yards


outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 12, 2009, 04:54:21 AM
Chet:

When you actually come up with an original thought or idea, and not someone eles's, like "THE BUZZ" who was banned 3 times now from this forum, then, and only maybe then, will I actually read anything you might have to say.  You keep reposting stuff others have already posted.  Great!  That saves someone from going back and actually reading this topic.  Get original.  Get real.  Come up with at least something on your own.  Buzz and all of his 6 other usernames does not make you look more intelligent when you keep posting his, and other's stuff.

With all due respect.

Bill
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 12, 2009, 09:15:03 AM
delete
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2009, 02:45:58 PM
Bill
With all do respect ,why don't you post that in the Steven Marks thread ?or any other thread around here where the guys are trying to figure out how things work[Ten years of posts and reposts in some cases] you can't experiment on the cheap here{this tech] ,so learning as much as possible before hand is very very important    as you have not followed this topic and associate a ban with incompetence [Doctor  Stiffler banned himself from this forum] And the buzz did also [unless you think he does'nt know the rules]
No bill I don't feel any more intelligent ,but lots more informed Thanks to the soldier h2opowers the buzz   outlaw and others posting here
Chet
more later
PS HIGH VOLTAGE ELEC CAN DO CRAZY THINGS [TO KILL YOU]
And if you follow this thread, you know I'm not trying to run a car ,just heat Grandmas house
And all the other Grandmas OPEN SOURCE
PPS and I'm starting to see how I can do it

Perhaps this post explains why I do this, http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7004.new#new
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 12, 2009, 04:23:18 PM
There is a Meyer Colorado meeting which, seems to terminate just as he is about to discuss the engineering details. Does anyone have the rest?

http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=meyer+colardo&emb=0&aq=f#q=meyer+colorado&emb=0
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2009, 04:39:18 PM
Ahura
I passed that up in the Buzz posts , I think around page 11 of his posts Trying to get something ready to ship right now, will look for it at lunch
 Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 12, 2009, 06:51:32 PM
@ Chet:

OK, that is fine.  I understand what you are saying but I don't agree, so then we can just agree to disagree.  I hope you do find an economical way to heat your Grandmother's house.  That is a very worthy goal.

Bill
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2009, 06:57:42 PM
When we do Bill
Guaranteed Your grandma, and a lot of others will have a nice warm house
Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Dave45 on March 12, 2009, 07:36:54 PM
If you can strip the oxygen of its electrons what can be done to enhance the Hydrogen's explosive power
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2009, 07:53:19 PM
iF YOU CAN ADD O 3 OR O 4 , pure to the mix CABOOM an accelerator

Dave stripping and mixing, changing the natural order of the water molecule into a super oxidized hydrogen is what this is all about

You have to get rough with nature, to keep things from going back into their natural state
 Which the Buzz and H20power have claimed to understand ,and the info is here

Chet
more to come


Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 12, 2009, 07:53:24 PM
dave,
when you deplete oxygen of electrons it becomes positive charged.. when the injector destablizes the water with the ionized air.. the liberated electrons during that process take the freed electrons before the electrons original oxygen can get them back.. so now all the oxygen is in a positive state in need of 4 or so electrons.. the hydrogen has been freed.. now hydrogen is in a fight to try to hold on to its electron... but the oxygen wins and you have positive charged oxy and positive charge hydrogen (proton).. stan says when you ignite the proton and oxy it puts off more thermal energy because it has trouble recombining..


outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 13, 2009, 12:51:06 AM
 Bob Boyce recent [few weeks] interview  

 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1779100537035350538

Chet
Later
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 13, 2009, 03:07:49 AM
Well I hope you enjoyed the movie [I haven t seen it yet]
In the mean time something user FarrahDay was impressed with [and posted on this forum]

urning water into fuel
The process of efficient electrolysis
And the operation of the water fuel cell
If you give me fifteen minutes I can show you how to change the world.

Water can be burned as a fuel source. Why hasn?t it been done before? Because people aren?t capable of following directions, and are either guilty of too little confidence in their abilities, or have too much. If you read this to the end, and follow my suggestions, and the links I provide maybe we will see this technology at last. Before I start there are some things you should know. I am not a writer, which will become evident if you choose to continue reading. I am not a physicist, a mathematician, an electronics expert nor a salesman. So this is free knowledge. However it may cost you some money?..you may be so intrigued by this information that you will buy the materials (I don?t sell them) and begin to experiment yourself. Stan Meyer fans, stick around, because for everything you think you know there is still more to learn, trust me, and bear with me while I attempt to tell the story first, and then we will get to the good stuff.

Stan Meyer was a man that made some very bold claims in the late 1980?s. He claimed to have run a car on water. In fact he did run a car on water. With an apparatus that he had designed and patented he was able to break H2O down into its component gasses. Not through electrolysis as it is originally thought of, but through an entirely unique electrolysis process. His claims were witnessed by scientists, government officials, including the patent officials where he had to prove his claims to get the patents, and numerous media outlets.
In 2005 I decided to build a propane injection system for a hopped up diesel truck that I have. With the horsepower in my NA (naturally aspirated) diesel I couldn?t afford to have my EGT?s get any higher, so I was looking to add water vapor injection with the LPG to keep the temperatures at an acceptable level. While searching I came across hydrogen or HHO boosters. I instantly became intrigued. Propane burns slow, combined with diesel it raises the exhaust gas temperatures (EGT), but hydrogen burns so fast it would actually aid the combustion without a serious increase in the EGT?s. That would allow me to increase my injector pump pressures, and add even more hydrogen. Win-win situation. Sorry to digress. I had no intention of buying any ?HHO cell?. My intentions were to decide on a system, and build one that is custom to my application. So while researching these systems I came across Stan Meyer?s WFC, the water fuel cell. At first I was a skeptic, so I set out to learn as much as I could about the science behind it. My first stop was the internet where I found a quite a few people were already researching these WFC?s, after seeing that all of these people were working on the idea and yet no-one had been able to produce the results that had been witnessed and reported by impartial people, and even some that used to be skeptics I became even more interested. I am very good at solving riddles.
Never one to be guilty of too little confidence I set out to learn everything that I could about the science of electrolysis, the water molecule itself, and the inventor of the WFC.

Electrolysis is simply creating a magnetic field and using it to decompose chemicals into their components. In the form of water it becomes hydrogen and oxygen. My first experiment was two stainless steel perforated plates separated by 1/16 of an inch. For power I used a 12 volt trolling motor battery. I got some production, enough to prove that the science was valid, and warranted further study.
Next I studied the water molecule. I hadn?t really paid attention in school; I was too preoccupied with more important things. The H2O molecule is a neat little thing; it is comprised of two H atoms and one O atom. The little thing holding them together is the electron. The electron is the only bonding force, however try pulling three magnets apart, not very hard is it, now take a swimming pool and fill it with magnets and try pulling one of them out, it becomes a lot harder because the force is increased over the entire surface area, and they are all bonded together. That is water in its natural state. But what makes this situation interesting is that it is not a simple electromagnetic bond, it is an electrostatic bond called the covalent bond. Scuffing your feet loads you up with electro-static energy, and touching something conductive discharges that energy. That means that if the electrostatic charge on an electron can be discharged, it will cease to bond. At first I dived in, almost expecting to have to go back to school and get a doctorate in chemistry. After getting this far I decided that maybe I should investigate Mr. Meyer a little bit. If this guy is some kind of super genius then I wouldn?t stand a chance at learning enough without some additional higher learning. What I learned about Stan Meyer sent me right back to my studies with a renewed vigor. He studied at an advanced energy sciences college, but never graduated. Remember that fact because it will become relevant.

During my investigation of Stan I began to realize that he wasn?t a super genius, he wasn?t a mad scientist, what he seemed to be was just a ?good old boy? with some above average intelligence. How had he come to this discovery? I read every article about, and by Stan Meyer that could be found posted on the internet, and published in any book at the library. (Yes they still exist) I watched every video clip with him in it; from news stories about him to home videos of his lectures and his ?car that ran on water?.

?To study a thing is to understand a thing?

There in lies the secret, to understand the invention I didn?t first need to study the mechanics of it, I first needed to understand the inventor. He was what confused me, he confused everybody. He used terms that weren?t exactly correct, and in fact some of the things he said were quite misleading. His patents skated around the issues and seemed to be lacking in relevant information. So once again I went back to watching the videos, I studied them. I slowed them down I paused them; I watched his mannerisms and studied the man. I came to some very enlightening conclusions during that time. About not only Stan, but the people working on replicating his WFC as well.
No one likes to share their secrets, and every one has a reason why. Of all the places on the web that preach information sharing, only a few have attempted to share anything, and I believe that is only showboating. A technology worth billions is not something anyone wants to share, they want to be the first, and they expect to get rich either through sales or becoming famous. The simple fact is if the information is given away someone will get rich manufacturing the cells and or selling them. But if I give everybody the technology, there will be too much competition to charge to a fortune.

Stan turned down millions offered to him by the representatives of an Arab oil company to just sit on the technology. I believe him, and I suspect that they were from the U.A.E. Not Saudi Arabia as some have speculated. Gentlemen, I tell you now, I know how Stan made his cell operational; it worked as he said, and if anyone offers me a few million to stop telling the world, then I will take their money and take care of my family and shower them with gifts. And I highlighted it to let them know in case they are reading it. In the meantime I am going to let the world know that the technology is available, is viable and is extremely valuable. Do not let anyone get rich from selling you this thing which anyone can build, the key to the WFC is in the electronics that Stan used, and he had said that himself.

Stan used an old alternator powered by an AC motor, a signal generator, and his VIC (voltage intensifier circuit) along with his cell to produce this amazing amount of hydrogen or HHO on demand. And this is where the story gets convoluted so bear with me and I will clarify it at the end I promise you.

I studied the videos of Stan?s cell so that I could build one like it; I compared his cell to the hundreds on the web. They all used the same basic materials, and configuration, so all I had to do was gather a signal generator, an oscilloscope, and 12 volt DC power source, build the cell and get on with it. So that?s what I did. I chose to use flat plates instead of the tubes that Stan had settled on because I had some around my shop and from my experiments found that the shape wasn?t as relative as was the technique. Next I needed to double my voltage. This was an easy task, I simply used a 24v 850ma transformer that I had from an old fuel furnace. This solved two things, first it was close to the 26v that Stan used, and second it was low amperage. Next I made an induction coil salvaged from a stun-gun (crazy huh) and placed it in the circuit. By adjusting the frequency and pulsing the voltage I now had some pretty good production, next I gated the pulses switching the voltage off after about three seconds, when the power switched off the primary coil?s power was interrupted causing the secondary coil on the induction coil to fire sending the voltage way into the kilovolt range. The gas production was getting better. After a lot of toying with it I realized I had hit the same plateau as everyone else. The secret eluded me. I could make gas, but I couldn?t make the gas just pour off like Stan. That is until I started listening to Stan Meyer. In his videos his speeches are always rehearsed, that is evident because they are almost verbatim. So it would seem that Stan didn?t know as much about this system that he created as one would be led to believe, he never answered the technical questions asked of him by people that had obviously done their homework, he would just blow it off. One day I went about researching free electrons, and came across what I thought was a paper by Stan because it was discussing ?liberated? electrons. Lo and behold it was written by Andrija Puharich. His studies and even his drawings were almost an identical match to Stan?s work, yet they were written before, and in the earliest stages of Stan?s development. I came to the realization that Stan may have been doing the same thing as everybody studying his work. Trying to replicate someone else?s work and be as cryptic as possible so that no one else would catch on to him, the only difference was that Stan had actually surpassed the other inventors results, that is when it hit me?..That is why Stan had went to that particular college and then dropped out. This man was no failure; he went to that school for a single purpose, to learn specifically about the studies of Andrija Puharich and none other than Nikola Tesla. He went to increase his knowledge on the very thing he was at home working on once he had learned what he needed he dropped out, he needed to apply his time to his mission. That was his goal, not a degree. It always struck me as odd that Stan would go from sales into science, he didn?t have a background in it, so how could this idea just ?pop? into his head. He says God, I say whatever. Now Andrija had a motive to be tampering with this stuff, he had a background story. He found that he could disassociate the atoms in water molecules using ultrasonic and ELF frequencies while searching for a way to break up blood clots with non-invasive techniques. But once he was unsuccessful in that respect he moved on to other things. Somehow Stanley got a hold of this idea and started working on it. So ok, he felt that God had led him to this great idea, and maybe he did, but the concept justified his needing to learn more. (I should have been a detective)
But after further research I found that I wasn?t the only one that had stumbled on to this, there were others, and yet still no one had found success. Why?

With this new information I now had other avenues to investigate, new theories to test , more nights without sleep, and then another epiphany. Well actually a $139.00 stroke of good misfortune. My alternator went bad in my truck, the very truck that had started this whole mess in the first place. A diesel engine does not have all of the excess wiring that a gasoline engine does; it lacks an electronic ignition, a coil, and the computer ?brain?. So as some of you that have ever put a radio in an older car may recall, if you wire it up directly to the battery you get to hear what? An incessant squealing that comes through the radio speakers, and when I changed my alternator I did just that, when I reconnected the battery and started my truck the radio was on an AM station. And of course I heard the whine change pitch when I revved the engine. This whine is caused by the rotation of the shaft (oscillations) creating a radio frequency that runs through your cars wiring. Yahtzee! In newer cars all of the excess wiring soaks up the signal and filters it out.
This is the reason Stan used the alternator, maybe he didn?t not have the knowledge necessary to create a complex circuit that consisted of an Amplitude Modulated audio frequency inducted onto a carrier wave. That is what Andrija Puharich had used in his studies, and an alternator does just that. So now I had the key or so I thought. If I used my alternator and removed the voltage regulator I would get a good amount of voltage and the audio frequency in one bundle, but how do I adjust the frequency? By adjusting the speed at which the electric motor turns my new ?oscillator?. I didn?t have an electric motor around so I pulled the pulley, and used an electric drill on a bolt screwed into the shaft, I checked it with an ammeter and was getting way to many amps, just like everyone else, so I placed a jumper wire on the terminals to ?fool? the alternator into thinking that there was a fully charged battery hooked up to it thereby cutting the amps to almost nothing and keeping the voltage high,
After hooking everything up to an old signal generator I started messing around with settings, by adjusting the dial on the drill?s trigger I could increase and decrease the speed thus modulating the audio frequency, the voltage did not go through a VIC as Stan used because I did not know how to build one, instead going through the stun-gun coil, now I looked for a toroid coil, because Stan said he used one, I found one and was going to put it in the circuit until I found out what they do, they actually filter out RF interference, which is exactly what the audio oscillator was needed for. I assumed that Stan had just made a mistake and actually had meant an induction coil because nowhere in his patent does he show a toroid coil in the circuit. Because if it had been, the thing wouldn?t have worked at the patent office, and if it was present in the schematic and not in the circuit it would have raised some eyebrows. Old Stanley had used that as a ruse, if someone had used a toroid they will not get the audio frequency that is needed to make the cell work. Misinformation to help protect his work from duplication perhaps? Since my cell now had an audio frequency going through it the electrodes were almost humming, they had become the ?excitors? that Stan referred to. And my gas production, at times was just more than at previous times, but when I would switch the pulsing voltage to off and the secondary windings discharged, it scared me to have the thing indoors. Production went off the charts. I thought the water was going to literally boil out.

I have made the cell, I have investigated the man, and found out he was continuing Puharich?s work, and I later found out that his VIC is just a simple Tesla resonant tank circuit. But wait there?s more.

As I let the cell run and continued to play with the frequency, the pulsing time and the audio frequency (by varying the drill speed) I found sweet spots where the water was almost boiling and would disappear at a rate where it was actually a visible action. You could watch as the water disappeared, but then it would slow and have to be tuned again. After awhile nothing I could do made any production and I had actually topped off the cell three times. Lucky for me I was outside because what happened next would have blown the roof off of the house had I been inside with all of the gas I had just made over an hour period, I stuck my hand into the cell to pull the plates, with the electric off (of course) and it still almost electrocuted me, it actually sparked. I quickly double checked and sure enough everything was off. I checked the cell, and it had stored about 3 amps and 10 volts. I am not sure how much discharged when I stuck my hand in there, but let me tell you it cracked liked a baby lightening bolt and made my knuckles ache for a while. I thought that was pretty amazing; I decided to go over everything once more, just to make sure that I wasn?t missing anything. I still hadn?t used the oscilloscope, I don?t even know how. And later that week I had to return the equipment to the person I had borrowed it from. But I was fine, I was satisfied that I had actually achieved some success or so I had thought. I went back to searching for others that should have achieved success by now so that I could hopefully share my experiences?and yet no one had achieved anything, after two years not one other person knew this? So now my selfish nature has just reared its ugly head, I wanted money before I just gave my hard work over to some one else to profit from. I could care less about fame. So I went back to studying the tapes, I wanted to find out who Stan?s sources were, who offered him the money. Maybe I could get some of that. I would love to tell my wife that we are millionaires and that she?ll never have to work again, I?d love to be able to buy a couple hundred acre farm in Colorado and build some jeeps to wheel. I?d even move my mother in-law out there. (Playing on the heart strings for that bribe)
Life would be real sweet if I could just find out who wanted Stan?s work and get in touch with them. I found one of them. But in the meantime I wanted to perfect this thing.
While studying the tapes for the hundredth time I came to a point where Stan talks about the capacitance of the cell. I hadn?t really understood before but I think I do now. The cell works at high voltage while limiting the amperage. Think of the electric as water. The voltage is the pressure, the current is the volume. If you try to fill up a 5gal. container with a pressure washer it will take you quite a while to do it. But the stream will shoot a distance, so you can fill it up from across the yard. That is voltage.
Now fill the same bucket up with the garden hose that was hooked to the pressure washer, it will fill the bucket quicker. Twice as fast in most cases, but at a shorter spray distance than the pressurized stream. That is because you have lost the ?potential? energy by increasing the volume, to put the stream out at the same distance (get the workout of it) you have to do one of two things, limit the volume(amps) which means pressurize the stream (induction coil and circuitry) or increase the flow rate (larger more powerful water pump/power source), and increasing amperage increases the danger, and increases the energy being used to create the gas, making it an inefficient process.
What we are trying to do is get the voltage to go a long distance through some highly resistive material, so by decreasing the volume we increase the potential (work that pressure alone can do) because it does not require more power, and volume (amperage) just fills the container (cell) faster, reducing and ultimately stopping its effectiveness.
So to say it in Stan speak (I hope you understand now). By limiting the amps we allow the potential (amp free voltage) to take over, yet we still ultimately end up with amperage saturating the WFC, this amperage comes from the minimal current we are putting in, but also comes from another source as well. Since there is no continuity for the current to pass through easily it charges the cell and becomes free electrons. And I believe that the audio frequency being inducted onto the anode acts as an inhibitor keeping the current from being able to leave the cell at the rate it is brought in to it. Also current is nothing more than electrons. By breaking the covalent bond, each molecule loses two electrons; these liberated electrons remain in the water as well due to the capacitance, once ?the capacity? has been reached the cell can not release anymore gas because there are now to many ?free? electrons hanging around in the cell that just reformulate the bonds and attach at free points helping to make the covalent bonds stronger by increasing the negative polarity of the molecules as a whole, and create a static layer around the cathode and anode. I believe that some of the free electrons do take on a slightly positive charge, this static layer that builds around the electrodes appears to trap the gas bubbles until it is discharged by either the high voltage being gated off and shaking the cell freeing the gas atoms thereby pulling the electrons away with it, or the polarities of the ?exciters? being momentarily switched. But if we harvest those free electrons from the water we are helping the extraction process by taking the generated stored current from the cell. This current can then be used to supply power back to the electronics that power the cell. Since Faraday only discussed the actual fracturing of the covalent bond and did not account for the efficiency of higher grades of stainless steel being able to do the job without decomposing, and then ?harvesting? the free electrons that were ?liberated? in the process as well as those added by the process?? well I?ll just leave that argument up to the chicken before the egghead debaters for now.

All of this through luck, and misfortune. Those of you that are studying this phenomenon are on the right track but in the wrong position. Those who said it can?t be done, you are wrong, it has been done. Through the hard work and sheer genius of great men like Nikola Tesla, Andrija Puharich, and Stanley Meyer.
These men who have been shunned in our history books for being unconventional. Well if we are to examine history we will see many cases of men with unconventional ideas that were proven right. Maybe Stan can join their ranks.

An attempt at clarification

Now that you have the story behind this story, I will try to bring it together for you without all of the history. And hopefully in simpler terms then the mathematical algorithms and geek speak that Stanley and Andrija.
The main difficulty in completing this project without a doubt will be the construction of the electronics. A microprocessor will have to be built, one that can provide or regulate all of the necessary frequencies involved, as well as monitoring the cell to adjust the frequencies accordingly. That is easier today than it would have been even in 1992 when Stan realized it. And more possible than when Andrija figured it out in the late 70?s. Like most of us Andrija and Stan Meyer just could not complete that single most crucial component to the WFC. (I wonder if a nice little Palm Pilot could be utilized as the brain)

Here is what I think will be required: (Remember, I am no electronics expert)

An audio oscillator and maybe an amplifier, I didn?t use an amplifier but Andrija?s schematic shows one.

A custom built microprocessor / built to control the frequency and voltage parameters defined from the use of the signal generator and an oscilloscope during pre-production testing and monitoring.

The microprocessor should be of a small and efficient design capable of controlling the audio frequency / the voltage pulse timer / as well as the voltage frequency to the desired parameters as set through study with the use of a signal generator and oscilloscope during pre-production testing and monitoring.



The microprocessor will also have to monitor the cell, and adjust all frequencies accordingly, as the water?s natural resonance will change as the HHO is produced and contaminants are left in the cell. These contaminants change the ability of the water to maintain a steady resonance at a fixed frequency by changing the viscosity as the level of solid contaminants rise to a higher ppm as the water is converted. (Does anyone know what minerals cause a green/black scum to form? Because that comes out of the tap-water where I live, in about 10 seconds there is a ? inch layer of it on top of the water) (If you do this in a glass container on a ceramic tile as I did you will be able to hear the change in pitch from the glass & ceramic vibrations)

During the pulsing, the water will reach a state of near ionization, aiding in the breakdown process due to weakening of the electrons. The pulsing charges the H molecules natural polarity to a greater extent while weakening the negative charge of the O molecule and electrons, this allows the bond to move from 104.5? to a 109? angle, reducing the dipolar regions hold on the H molecule and stretching the bonding electron, which can now come into contact with more positively charged molecules discharging the electrostatic charge and momentarily switching off the covalent bond. And now the positive is more positive, and the stronger negative is weakened, since the oxygen atom is now less negative it actually has less attraction to the hydrogen atom preventing it from readily reattaching. When the voltage is turned off after peaking, the secondary winding of the induction coil discharges sending the voltage into the high kilovolt ranges stripping the atoms away from each other before they can recover. I believe that the audio frequency should be applied as a constant, not switching off with the voltage. And by using a Tesla resonant tank circuit in conjunction with an induction coil, voltage should reach exponentially higher peak kilovolts. (I still don?t know how that works)
Harvesting the free electrons from the cell will facilitate continued effective and efficient production, storing them in a capacitor and using them to assist in powering the cell. According to Stan Meyer, storing the current from the cell and then using it to power the cell you can actually create a closed loop system. This may sound impossible, but think of it this way, a steam engine boils water to make steam, the rapid expansion and movement of the air is what is used to move the turbine engine, so energy is lost in the form of heat, but a useful byproduct is now available to use again, the water. The wasted energy is in fact not the heat from the steam, but the heat used to create the steam. That energy is transferred into the steam, but since it does not become a source of energy it is now wasted. So by using high voltage potential to gather electrons from water you lose energy in the form of hydrogen, but since you are capturing the hydrogen for use it isn?t lost, and since you are now taking the voltage and generated current back into the system, and using it, it isn?t lost. The amps are recaptured in the form of freed electrons, the voltage potential?s power, but since it is using hardly any amperage, you need to add the kilovolt surges to make watts.??.I?ll stop talking there. It makes sense in my head, but it took me two long years to get my head wrapped around it. The WFC works, I have done it, except for the closed loop part, Stan has done it, and Andrija has done it. I wonder if there are others.

Also Faraday?s law is not broken as he intended it. He never counted on using the potential energy of electricity (voltage) he only thought in the terms of current, the power, he also never counted on harvesting the liberated electrons. So if you only think of it as using voltage to make usable electrons then the hydrogen would be the wasted energy, if you only use it to make hydrogen then the electrons become wasted energy in the form of both electric and heat. You can create heat, electricity (running a generator) and even desalinate water, there are a lot more possibilities then what I can think of. But no matter what the waste is HHO gas and electricity. Both are usable. At the end of the cycle using a car for example, the exhaust is water, but that water needs to be recharged with photons which come from the sun. So energy is being used, but not energy we use or have to pay for. (FREE ENERGY)

This is all I can do for now. When I have the money to purchase the electronics and start again I will. But in the meantime here is the secret; I have a lot more to learn about electronics before I could ever complete it. And a lot of you are suffering the same problem, to confident in your abilities to ask for help, and to unwilling to share your work out of fear of losing it. Since I can?t do it, I give it freely in the hopes that someone else can, it will take an electronics expert to design a microprocessor to do just what I have said here. And we will all be driving cars that run on water within a year. Sorry Big oil. But as it was said ?we didn?t come out of the Stone Age because we ran out of stones, and we won?t come out of the oil age because we run out of oil?. We came out of the Stone Age because our technology grew, and an idea was born, and that man taught another man, and one after the other through history man has learned from man and we have grown because of our ability to learn from one another?s ideas. Only in this age of greed do we fear teaching because we may lose the fame and fortune to another. How sad. As for the learning, most of the people working on this technology are so smart that they look at the cell and see how it is done, so they try based on what they know, I wasn?t that fortunate, I looked at the cell and saw how it was made, but then I listened to what Stan was saying, and I had to learn what he meant, as well as learn what was going on. Most of these people already knew?.and just like people have a propensity to do, they do not listen to what they already know and they just jump right in. If you look at the documentation and listen to Stan you will see that he used the voltage coming from an alternator that was also used to limit the amps, doubled with a VIC (Tesla?s resonant tank circuit) into his signal generator, then into the cell, only a couple of times is the toroid coil mentioned, but as I said it is either subterfuge, or he meant induction coil. And with as much as he has kept secret, and let speculation occur just to keep these very facts hidden, I go with subterfuge.

But I still wouldn?t mind those millions that were offered to Stan. I?d take the money; I have a family that I would like to spoil. In the meantime I would settle for free gas and electricity, imagine how much cheaper the world would be to live in without the extra bills. As for the economy; that?s just how the Feds generate their paychecks. So don?t worry about that, this technology would narrow the gap between the rich and the poor and do it by saving the poor some money, only big oil companies would feel the sting, and who cares about them?
Oh? and that secret Government Agency that was going to fund Stanley?.DARPA.
Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, high risk, high payoff research.
I contacted them and told them I?d like to talk to someone about the technology, that it can be done and I know how?..Not one person responded. In fact they made it impossible to contact them directly after that, you now have to get a job with them to work on any project. They won?t take ideas. I have also contacted the energy giants MOBIL/EXXON and BP, no response. They are only interested in Hydrogen from fossil fuels. They rely on the fact that one man can?t do it alone.
Only the people want this technology so we have to make it ourselves. If you think this is BS, which is up to you, fine keep doing it wrong, but if you already have a working cell, a signal generator, and an oscilloscope, what is the harm in adding an audio oscillator to your arsenal? If you use an alternator as the oscillator don?t forget the jumper wire, and use a dimmer switch on that wire to control the amperage. Too much will keep the alternator from transferring voltage though it will still create the AM signal. By the way, someone out there (I won?t name names) is working on Sonosonic breakdown of water molecules, basically taking a steel tube filled with water and vibrating it with sound waves so fast that they can get the water to split inside the area of cavitations. Sono is from sonar, which is sound. An electronic tuning fork in water, hmmm I wonder what would happen by adding high voltage DC and limiting the amperage to the milliamp level? Anyway folks, I can only tell you what I?ve learned and hope someone smarter than me can take it to the next level. Give it a shot, and let us all know how you make out. I?m not saying I?m smarter than Stan, I only figured out what he did, he was on his way to perfecting it before he died. I am openly admitting I have gone as far as I can; the electronics are the key, the audio signal and pulsed high voltage coupled with the right frequency modulations. I am not even sure that super high k-volts are even necessary with the audio signal at the right frequency.
Do this and you have it. But if anyone suddenly does it and tries to make a huge profit from it without cutting me in for a piece?.I?m coming for you, and I don?t want to hear that ?coincidence? crap either. Do the world some good, free us from fossil fuels and the cancer it is putting in our air and water. Oh? and make it so I can give my diesel another 50+ horsepower, if all the cars are burning cleaner a little smoke won?t hurt. Hell if someone can do it I?ll go with a gasser.
I?m not sure of everything that goes on in this system, it?s just the way it works. Try it for yourself. Most of the terminology is gleaned from Stan, and I believe he uses it because whether or not it is scientifically correct it feels right, and I know some will say there is no proof because I have no videos or pics?well people I wasn?t doing it for a movie, you-tube or a book, I was doing it to put it in my truck. And once I got it right maybe sell it for mucho dinero contante, but since it is a useless piece of junk without the ability to control it, I have no use for it. All I did was figure out why and how Stan used that alternator instead of a battery or battery charger for the DC voltage. As for the rest, look at what I am saying, and then listen to Stan?s lectures, it is that simple.
Or you can just do what I?ve said, but I?m sure you all are skeptics, lord knows I am. I?m not selling it to you, I?ve explained it the best I can, and I?m not saying, I?m running a car on it. I?m saying some electronics genius needs to do the important part and then we all can, that guy will be famous for it not me. If you want more I can?t give it, but I?m e-mailing this to every one I can in with the hopes that someone can fix us up with a program, or controller to keep it running instead of the constant tuning to keep it going. I?m sick of buying fuel, and paying for electric, (and I still want that HP for my diesel). Plus I can?t get rich off of something I can?t do, so I figure if I can?t be rich, and I?m not going to make someone else rich, the only other solution is to make a lot of us a less poor by saving money!
My cell was perforated stainless plates in a 1? qt. glass jar, nothing fancy.


A few links / make up your own mind
http://cartalk.com/content/columns/Archive/2001/March/01.html (a link that talks about radio noise from alternators)
http://www.rexresearch.com/puharich/1puhar.htm (Puharich?s work) http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/meyerhy.htm ( Some of Meyer?s work) http://www.familycar.com/Classroom/charging.htm (A short course on the alternator)
http://www.waterfuelcell.org/ (good videos, these are filled with clues that helped me immensely)
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html (Meyer?s inspiration for the VIC
http://merlib.org/node/5247 (A compilation of Meyer?s lectures)

Links to information on toroid coils and inductors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal_inductors_and_transformers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_coil

http://www.estreetplastics.com/Acrylic_Tube_s/45.htm (cheapest acrylic cell tube I could find $20.00 for a 6? OD 23? long)
http://www.burnsstainless.com/304tubing/Straight304/straight304.html
(A good place to order stainless tubing)
http://www.thomasnet.com/products/tubing-stainless-steel-88672423-1.html
(Find a local SS supplier)
One other thing, Good luck!

The AM frequency from whatever source you can generate it from needs to be manipulated separately from the voltage which needs to be manipluted as well, then put into the cell at the same time. Someone (no names) said he was now using an alternator splitting the leads, adjusting the speed of the alternator to adjust the frequency as I suggested, and using a signal generator to adjust the frequency and pulsing of the voltage, then putting them through rectifiers right at the cell without any coils shokes or special crap. Said his gas production has went through the roof and he has found the "sweet spots". He said he is going to post it on you-tube later next week. I will put the link up when I get it. He also said he was getting 2lpm before, now he is getting 3&4+ and if he could keep production up when it hits the "high notes"(his words not mine) it would be 15lpm+ estimated because the prodction is at least 5 times as much.

That still doesn't seem like enough to run a car yet. So an electronic circuit is definately needed. Nothing fancy, just to monitor the "tune of the cell" at mass produciton, and then maintain that frequency as the water changes viscosty. I think the voltage is ok at the right frequency and will maintain itself, because atmosperically nothing in the water will change what the voltage can do with the exception of suddenly becoming non-conductive

End quote

More to come

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 13, 2009, 04:02:03 AM
i read this a month ago
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Dave45 on March 13, 2009, 04:10:55 AM
Bob said if you add electron's the hydrogen grabs one after being split and doesn't reform into h2o, makes a lot of sense it would depend on the application for a heater using the wfc this may be the way to go but the injector is another animal.

Some people are trying to run a heater or a carberated engine and some are working on the injector and maybe this is where some of the confusion is coming from.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 13, 2009, 04:38:48 AM
Bob said if you add electron's the hydrogen grabs one after being split and doesn't reform into h2o, makes a lot of sense it would depend on the application for a heater using the wfc this may be the way to go but the injector is another animal.

Some people are trying to run a heater or a carberated engine and some are working on the injector and maybe this is where some of the confusion is coming from.

As i recall when i mentioned ionization to bob he ran the other way!!!! Not one to want to hang around and discuss that with me.

You darn right the injector is confusing,, its because it cuts out allot of wasting, like i said, if you use 7.5 liters to run an 1 cylinder engine than that engine is ran on 7500/4 1875 liters per min.

There isn't any injector on the market for injecting hydrogen, most gasoline injectors has to be bored out before they will work,,, hell i had to learn how to polish steel just so i could build one. Now i have to Invent a device for linking up with the intake valve train just so the injector can be controlled, You need a bigger hole in your injector because you only have 37 milliseconds to release 2.4 cc's of gas, cant be done with your ordinary gasoline injector.

Perhaps farraday the fag can help out a bit... I am one of the few that's actually trying to do something in this technology and i think that's eating at buzz, farraday. He is a perpetrator...


You know what pisses them off the most, they cant threaten me with my website because i gave it away LOL, your poweless farraday, you cant touch me you little june june.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 13, 2009, 05:06:41 AM
little june june lol.. good shit.
spewing,
 i know what we need to focus on for timing.. the laser distributor is what will achieve perfection in timing..  i know a straight 6 ford distributor makes 2 -360 degree rotations for each fire on cylinder 1. just consider when cylinder 1 is tdc (top dead center) that your rotor is at 12 oclock... so one rotaion brings you back to 12 oclock but that 12 oclock is on the exhaust stroke.. so then you can take your valve cover off and see what time there opening.. shit name them e.s (exhaust stroke)  i.s (ignition stoke)  like am and pm .... stan made that distributor with infared lighter that took mechanical cycles and turned them into electrical signal. and most likely interlinked the 720 degree cycle of the motors timing to the gas managment system.

outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 13, 2009, 05:30:23 AM
the bigger engines isn't the problem,, its the small ones. On the big engines you can monitor the firing time, like what you use for a timing light. If fire is on plug 1 then that means inject on plug X, so you see how the magnetic field in the coil wire can be used to controll when the injector needs to be on for the next cylinder.



The problem is,,, most like to use a 2 to 1 ratio on the go kart engines to gain timing,, i dont like that. I'm going to try and use the intake valve for letting me know when to inject. So, whatever i have, it will link directly to the valve in some way. I hate that it will not be a mod everyone can do, meaning it will require some sorta work. When i invent something i try to think about the ones that has no electronic experience. Hopefull whatever i do to determine the injection on this engine, Hopefully it can be easily replicated.

Sucks i'll have to make my own injector,, i'm going to try to use one from my astro van one more time,, it has 6 and i broke 3 learning how they work. Each injector is different. The problem you run into when you used auto injectors is the exit ports isn't big enough. However, some injectors have a Metal Cover over the exit Port, and in this metal is a smaller hole. You cant see it, you dont know its there. If you can manage to remove it then its possible you can use an auto injector. The injector is not something i will go out and buy, i am lucky i have junk cars to pull these from to test with... I think we will get this going,, it will take time..

Meanwhile,, let kick farradays ass, Bend over farraday, you june june...

BTW, for those of you thats behind,, i stated on ioniz that i junked the injector i posted, its a wast because the problem was timing, and the injector i shown was not the solution to that problem. 
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Dave45 on March 13, 2009, 05:50:19 AM
So if I got this right Spewing your trying to run hho to the injector instead of water, a thought I had if you separate the oxygen and hydrogen at the wfc run the oxygen through the gas processor instead of ambient air and then recombine them wouldn't this limit the electrons in the cylinder for your application.
 Also this might help with the heater application or the carburetor.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Dave45 on March 13, 2009, 06:01:06 AM
An idea I had to separate H & O, the art sucks using paint
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 13, 2009, 06:01:38 AM
So if I got this right Spewing your trying to run hho to the injector instead of water, a thought I had if you separate the oxygen and hydrogen at the wfc run the oxygen through the gas processor instead of ambient air and then recombine them wouldn't this limit the electrons in the cylinder for your application.
 Also this might help with the heater application or the carburetor.

Dave, I am not trying to do anything that has not already been done. Hear me again.

These guys that is running their generators on 7 liters a min. "Those guy's are already doing it."

FOR EXAMPLE. ScareCrow on youtube uses 7 liters to run his engine. This means that ScareCrow uses 29.4 cc's of gas every second to his engine. Scarecrow also is wasting 87.2 cc's per second all because he does not have an injector.


I AM NOT DOING ANYTHING SCARECROW DID NOT DO, The only difference is i will not be wasting gas like he is doing. By the way, scarecrow is a cool dude.



Now, On the injector controll issue. I found a way to controll the injector on almost any go kart engine, meaning anyone here can make this part in 5 min's max! It is so easy to make a cave man can do it LOL.

You must be clever.... Now all thats needed is the injector, and the timing between the injector and valve switch.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 13, 2009, 06:25:46 AM
Here we are;
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Spewing on March 13, 2009, 06:42:06 AM
Inspection Plate;
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 13, 2009, 06:43:52 AM
spewing,
this book should be very resourceful for making your linear position sensor.. check it out

http://books.google.com/books?id=0SwbWS64c7UC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0

outlawstc
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Room3327 on March 13, 2009, 06:53:16 AM
@Dave45,
   I think that is an outstanding idea for seperating Hydrogen and oxygen, have you tried it?
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Dave45 on March 13, 2009, 01:36:59 PM
@Dave45,
   I think that is an outstanding idea for seperating Hydrogen and oxygen, have you tried it?

No I havent but the more I think about it you still have a + and - in each cell the ss cross over will act as a conductor for either the + or - . Maybe the cross over's could have a hv coil wrapped around them  ::) .
I think this is a more practical design

Not my design.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 13, 2009, 08:31:14 PM
From the Buzz

Colo 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjEXnsPbzSg&feature=related
Colo 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWc5Ht5f_Dk&feature=related

There are more at the site
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 14, 2009, 02:24:20 AM
 Bob Boyce recent [few weeks] interview 

He shares frequency info, circuit info ,WATCH THIS VIDEO
 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1779100537035350538

Chet
Later
Ps did I say WATCH THIS VERY RECENT VIDEO
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Outlawstc on March 15, 2009, 07:35:04 PM
is everyone studying? its as quiet as a library in this bizich.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 16, 2009, 12:41:49 AM
Member H20Power has started a thread here

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7030.0;topicseen

Please be nice

Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Dave45 on March 18, 2009, 02:33:13 AM
OK Buzz what now?  ;D

Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on March 20, 2009, 02:28:36 PM
test
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: cleanfuture on July 17, 2009, 03:49:27 AM
Hi
For those of you that are interested, I want to let you know that I have just listed a kit on ebay to construct a Stan Meyer type cell. I am from Australia, but will ship worldwide. The listings can be seen under:
cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=130319049656
and
cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=130319209982
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on July 17, 2009, 04:01:13 AM
cleanfuture

Hi
For those of you that are interested, I want to let you know that I have just listed a kit on ebay to construct a Stan Meyer type cell. I am from Australia, but will ship worldwide. The listings can be seen under:
cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=130319049656
and
cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&item=130319209982


LINKS DON"T WORK!!!
Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: Dave45 on July 17, 2009, 04:48:47 AM
If you cut and paste the links they work.
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on July 17, 2009, 05:56:27 AM
Dave,I tried that will try again
Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ramset on July 17, 2009, 07:49:48 AM
Still doesn't work even cut and paste for me not even at ebay Australia
THAT SUCKS
Chet
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: guitarlover on August 01, 2010, 06:21:03 PM
I am sorry for you bad experience.


Drum Shop (http://www.playrecord.net/)
Title: Stan Meyer and data summarisation
Post by: Log-in on September 07, 2010, 11:41:43 AM
Hello All:

I've got just one technical note here...

I have read the thread and I've found many pictures and some of them are authentic pictures of the VIC components in a very good resolution.

Unfortunately, I think that the picture collection is not complete and thus, by this way I'd like to ask all of you who have authentic pictures of Stan's circuits, ballast or car and it's details, please could you put all those pictures or links pointing to the files at one place?

Would it be possible to make a summarisation of all authentic materials here ?

Thanks.

Regards
Log-in
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: teslaedison on May 11, 2011, 09:42:59 PM
Hello Guys,
     That are doing a great work but I would love to put my two sense into the pot if I may because I did an experiment with just distilled water by itself with the use of Paper clip and stainless steel spoon so if you are interested in how I did it by Tesla's AC with Edison's DC working together please contact me below at bottom of this message.

PS : Here is a video showing white pure H2 and O2 white cloud gases below

http://www.fliqz.com/aspx/permalink.aspx?at=5776ccb97e4a432d923e9b4186cad72e&a=177157c753114cd4a05ac46773477d7f

Also more information below too.
      You are not giving the totall account of Dr. Randell Mills processes which he says that the electrons are round shape disks when it comes to a positive proton that the electron wraps around it as a bubble so go check his explanation to what I totally believe is true web site below:
www.blacklightpower.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymlc8nk7Mdk

PS if you have any questions about this to please contact me at any time so I can explain his processes which will evidently become the new wave of energy for the future of all of mankind !! 
Sincerely,
Thomas C.
Cell Number: 309-660-4627
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: pmihai99 on May 25, 2011, 10:38:05 AM
Hello,I am a beginner and my English is not good enough,but I need some advise in which direction is better to try:Meyer WFC+ultrasonic or Meyer WFC+Avramenco/Tesla single wire.And for this reason I ask from the experienced ones about  what exactly to read because it is tones of  information,would take a lot of time with unknown results.It is a comparation of results,productivity of different ways,setups to produce hydrogen ?
Or where and who to ask these questions ?

Thanks for understanding,
pmihai99
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ronvbnt on April 29, 2014, 02:00:39 AM
I just uploaded first ever videos showing a working spiral spool spinner making twisted bifilar wire.  https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/805268116/spool-spinner-makes-axially-spiraled-wire-twisted-0 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/805268116/spool-spinner-makes-axially-spiraled-wire-twisted-0)


Unless you found a way to twist thousands of feet of wire then none of you have followed Stans VIC guide.


I describe why I think it will work in the link above. Ron
Title: Re: HydroMeyers Vic
Post by: ronvbnt on April 29, 2014, 02:04:59 AM

I just uploaded first ever videos showing a working spiral spool spinner in operation.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/805268116/spool-spinner-makes-axially-spiraled-wire-twisted-0 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/805268116/spool-spinner-makes-axially-spiraled-wire-twisted-0)


None of you have ever been able to follow Stans instructions without a tool that could axially spiral thousands of feet as twisted bifilar pair for VIC chokes and secondary, the primary may have been described as a henry coil in the tech brief but don't quote me on the part about the primary.





https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/805268116/spool-spinner-makes-axially-spiraled-wire-twisted-0 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/805268116/spool-spinner-makes-axially-spiraled-wire-twisted-0)