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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #525 on: March 05, 2009, 07:21:36 PM »
I will not let you come here and share H2opowers's and TheBuzz's  misinformed opinions . I know we have to be civil but I see that you have found a loophole and are defending H20power's views , it just so happens that h2opower and TheBuzz share similar views so I cannot accept this .

The gas processor you see with the injector retrofit system is to ionize the ambient air . The taper injector replaces the cell unit and the Hydrogen gas processor , it is itself a gas-processor and cell @ the same time , the water fills up the injector every engine cycle . So we know the tube cell was replaced and that the gas processor was fed with hydroxy gas .  Ask youself what the hell that big bulky gas processor will process if the resonant cell is replaced by the injector and the water blows at the tip of the injector .... thats correct , the injector is the gas processor .

learn to use logic , learn to pay attention , do your fuckin homework

You probably saw this video but never realised that the answers to your confusion were right in this video. As you can see , the man himself says liquid water goes into the injector .

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6a3dq_oil-versus-water-the-water-fuel-inj_tech

Here is some proof , based on documents we have , not some el-cheapo opinions . From the tech brief and international independant report

Now if I see you trying to confuse the reader again I will do nasty to you .

We do not care about that gas processor , we are making the VIC and injector because that is the most KISS method .

When h2opower says the gas processor method with all the water mist nonsense he is 100% wrong and lying , the injector reftofit method is the more modern , less expensive  method . It is the way to go for the serious experimenter who looks @ logistics and costs , we are not all bench warmer cheeleaders like you who see this as fairy-tale land , this is real for us .



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« Reply #525 on: March 05, 2009, 07:21:36 PM »

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« Reply #526 on: March 05, 2009, 07:26:23 PM »
this is the reference to the processor part from the retrofit system , as you can read its for ambient air ... Why so much confusion ramset when all the answer can be found by simply reading the damn thing ...

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« Reply #527 on: March 05, 2009, 07:28:45 PM »
Dankie

So your approach [beside mud slinging]

Is don't confuse me with the facts[math]

My mind is made up???

Intelligent people should be given all relevant information ,and science, to come to their own conclusions

Your ATTACKS AND NASTYNESS WILL NOT STOP OPENSOURCE

BUZZ HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS1!!! ''PERIOD''

Chet

I can also tell by your comments YOU HAVE"NT READ THE INFO POSTED ABOVE!!!!!

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« Reply #528 on: March 05, 2009, 07:40:59 PM »
Why dont we just aim some ambient air @ the reaction zone and slow down the burn rate  ?

Possible simple idea ...  I see the injector and VIC on its own as overunity if you can just get that part to work , on its own ... The rest is just the extra , once we have 10000 people working on this we will tackle all the other things .


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« Reply #529 on: March 05, 2009, 07:48:02 PM »
Dankie

So your approach [beside mud slinging]

Is don't confuse me with the facts[math]

My mind is made up???

Intelligent people should be given all relevant information ,and science, to come to their own conclusions

Your ATTACKS AND NASTYNESS WILL NOT STOP OPENSOURCE

BUZZ HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS1!!! ''PERIOD''

Chet

I can also tell by your comments YOU HAVE"NT READ THE INFO POSTED ABOVE!!!!!

PS almost 9000 reads

The info you put up is the regurgitated 2 year old text that H2opower contantly posted on ionizationx.com .

I read that thing believe me , and it doesnt help me out in any real way ... no thx you


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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #530 on: March 05, 2009, 07:51:28 PM »
Dankie

I am not through with my presentation yet!! [it will be summarized ]

Instead of jumping all over the place

Why don't you make a nice confluent presentation?

Chet

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« Reply #531 on: March 05, 2009, 07:59:30 PM »
Dankie

I am not through with my presentation yet!! [it will be summarized ]

Instead of jumping all over the place

Why don't you make a nice confluent presentation?

Chet

Why dont YOU make a nice confluent presentation wuthout copy pasting H20power's words lol ... Funny guy .

Read the above and you will see I just present the info ,  I'm just looking @ the evidence and pointing out the contradictions .

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« Reply #532 on: March 05, 2009, 08:02:57 PM »
Dankie

 I"LL admit I have'nt read everything you cut and pasted above,but I will

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« Reply #533 on: March 05, 2009, 08:04:20 PM »
Dankie

I will make my presentation cleaner and shorter

How come you avoid the math??

This is  simple Chemistry And simple algebra

                     From H20power

One thing I am not sure people ever noticed about the VIC coil is that Stanley Meyer made two different types that did different jobs.

Taken from the SMTB:
Voltage Intensifier Circuit (60) of Figure (3-22) (Memo WFC 422 DA) as to Figure (1-1)
(Memo WFC 420) and Voltage Intensifier Circuit (620) of Figure (7-1) are specifically designed to
restrict amp flow during Programmable Pulsing Operations (49a xxx 49n) but in different
operational modes: VIC voltage circuit (60) utilizes copper wire-wrap to form Resonant Charging
Chokes (56/62) of Figure (3-22) in conjunction with Switching Diode (55) to encourage and make
use of "Electron Bounce" phenomena (700) of Figure (7-9) to help promote Step Charging Effect
(628) of Figure (7-7) by preventing electrical discharge of Resonant Cavity (140 - 170) since
Blocking Diode functions as an "Open" switch during Pulse Off-time; whereas, VIC Voltage
Enhancement Circuit (VIC - VB) (620) of Figure (7-1) incorporates the use of stainless steel wirewrap
coils (614/615) to accomplish the formation of unipolar gated pulse-wave (64a xxx T3 xxx
64n) without experiencing "signal distortion" or "signal degradation" (preventing transformer
ringing during signal propagation) as elevated voltage levels ( - xx Vc- xx Vd - xx Vn) while
allowing the reduction of Capacitor-Gap (Cp) (616) of Figure (7-11) width spacing (57 of Figure 3-
25 ~35 of Figure 6-2) (typically .060 - .010) respectively. as illustrated in Tubular Resonant Cavity
(170) as to Taper Resonant Cavity (620) of Figure (7-1).

The RED is VIC transformer number one and the BLUE is transformer number 2. They are used for different purposes. Transformer number one is made up of all copper wire, and transformer number two has 430FR SS wire for the dual layer chokes.

Now for the Gas Processor we want what Stanley Meyer calls, "Electron Bounce phenomena," and that VIC is made of all copper. These VIC transformers make their high voltages during switch off conditions or when the magnetic field is terminated and not the normal way that step up transformers employ. There are 42 coils that are going to make the high voltages by multipling each capcitive reactance to the next, Xc1 times Xc2 continuing the process on ending at Xc42 when the magnetic field is terminated. Why 42? The chokes are dual layered so 14 x 3 = 42. And since all coils are bifilar that number might be higher.

In order for the VIC transformer to work its best all coils must work as one or that is too say hit resonance at the same frequency. This can be done by varying the wire sizes in the bobbin cavities, since the primary will have the strongest magnetic field the inductance of the individual bobbin cavities should be made to match the primaries inductance. Now their is some debate as to match the series inductances of the secondary and resonante chokes to the primaries inductance, so more testing needs to be done to confirm which is more effecient.

Bi-directional wrap is making an X with the primary coils two layers or cross wrapped is another word for it.

][/b]Now I know this is going to make one guy I know very happy for he has been harping for the use of 430FR wire for some time now. But in Stanley Meyer's end product there is no WFC so no use of the second transformer. Stanley Meyer really cut the cost when he made the injectors, allowing the unstable oxygen atoms to break the water molecule down, and that satisfies the law of ecconomics. That saves a lot of money for there is no more quenching circuit, electrostatic filter, water fuel capacitor, 430FR SS wire, hybrid lazer distributer, and all the electronics that went along with them. And I think I might have left some out, big savings .

I hope this aids in everyones understanding of the VIC transformers

More soon
Chet








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« Reply #534 on: March 05, 2009, 08:34:14 PM »
ROFL @ that twisted logic , 100% opinion . Mad @ me cuz he cant afford my wire ... Lol , the guy improvises theories just to try and refute the use of my wire ... What a sophist little rat , I think his game is up @ energetic , ppl are trying to smell the stench of H20power

all you need can be found here . nothing else matters for now .

New stable pwm as well , brainchild of electrojolt ... Just that thing is a bigger contribution than all that dave lawtons and whole panacea ravi crew ever did

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=132

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=122

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« Reply #535 on: March 05, 2009, 08:46:17 PM »
Dankie

 READ BELOW

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« Reply #536 on: March 06, 2009, 01:23:00 AM »
Dankie

Why would you say H20power denies a water injector is part of the process???
                                               H20 Quote
This is not a hard part of Stanley Meyer's patent to build, and the one thing I want to point out is when


Stanley Meyer switched from gas injectors to """water injectors"""" the Gas Processor is still apart of the set up,

 

that to me is a sign that it is very important indeed. Even in the Gas Gun again we have the Gas Processor, why no one has ever built one yet is beyond me.

Whats the harm in building one, it's in the patent? If your going to follow Stanley Meyer's work why would you not make one? That's like building a Tesla coil without the spark gap, for all it is a gap in the electrical connection and air. Answer it's in the patent. So, what makes Meyer's patent any different? Build it, test it, and then get understanding if that aproach works best for you, but the bottom line it is in the patent and it is easy.
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« Reply #537 on: March 06, 2009, 02:08:04 AM »
OK FELLOWS

Summary time

 Let the Energy Revolution begin.
Summary of Stanley Meyer’s water for fuel technology by h2opower

This will be a compilation of all of my theories regarding how Stanley Meyer was able to utilized water as a fuel source. It focuses on Stanley Meyers water fuel injection system, answers most questions as to where does the energy come from, and shows the purpose of many items found in Stanley Meyer’s patent.

The Gas Processor


The Gas processor (GP) is the most important part of Stanley Meyers whole system coupled with the Electron Extraction Circuit(EEC) for without them you can have no Hydrogen Fracturing Process. The purpose of the GP is to raise the energy content of the whole reaction by stripping electrons from the incoming air supply by a corona discharge(Ion impact charging of the atoms). It is made to focus on the Oxygen atom in that the LEDs coherent light is chosen to match oxygen’s wave lengths and are used to bombard the oxygen atoms at the right wavelengths. The pulsing of the EEC and LEDs are the same and 180 degrees from that of the GP. Here are the ionization energy levels of oxygen:
• 1st 1313.9 kJ/mol
• 2nd 3388.3 kJ/mol
• 3rd 5300.5 kJ/mol
• 4th 7469.2 kJ/mol
• 5th 10909.5 kJ/mol
• 6th 13326.5 kJ/mol
• 7th 71330.0 kJ/mol
• 8th 84078.0 kJ/mol
Now let us take a look at the reaction to break and form the water molecule under normal conditions.
4 H-O 459 kJ/mol bonds are broken taking 1836 kJ/mol to do so.
2 H-H 436 kJ/mol bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 498 kJ/mol are formed yielding 1370 kJ/mol.

This is why all scientist say it takes more energy to break the bonds of water than you get from combining them, for the net sum of the reaction is negative, 1370-1836 = -466 kJ/mol.

Now the new reactions after the GP has stripped the electrons off of the oxygen atom are known as ionic reactions. Let’s take a look at the 1st energy level of 1313.9 kJ/mol.

The new reaction to form the water molecule 1st energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 1313.9 kJ/mol are formed yielding 2185.9 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is now positive 2185.9-1836 = +349.9 kJ/mol, so now we are getting more energy out than in. To give the energy level a bench mark for comparison the energy content of gasoline is +495 kJ/mol. So only striping one electron off of the oxygen atom resulted in a positive energy level not far behind that of gasoline.

Stanley Meyer said he stripped four electrons off of the oxygen atom so let us take a look at the reaction as told to us in the patent.
The new reaction to form the water molecule at the 4th energy level is as follows:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol are formed yielding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/mol
Now this is more than 13 times the energy content of that of gasoline, and gives an answer to the question of, “How did Stanley Meyer ran his 1.6L engine with an hho production rate of only 7L/min.?”

Another question some might have at this stage. “Why doesn’t the GP make Ozone?” That is the job of the Electron Extraction Circuit(EEC). The gas speeds inside of the GP and the proximity to the EEC’s positive screen mesh grid doesn’t give the freshly stripped electrons a chance to form ozone by consuming them in the form of heat. The unstable oxygen atoms will have a positive charge and will be unable to stabilize for at least 0.74 seconds. That may sound like a short time but the gas speeds inside of an engines intake system are very fast. What the gas speeds are I will leave for the reader to calculate. Without the EEC the GP will only produce mostly ozone, though ozone does have a higher energy content than normal oxygen atoms it also will oxidize just about anything it comes into contact with.

Now let us look at what is said in the patent:
Thermal Explosive Energy


Exposing the expelling "laser-primed" and "electrically charged" combustible gas ions (exiting from
Gas Resonant Cavity) to a thermal-spark or heat-zone causes thermal gas-ignition, releasing thermal
explosive energy (gmt) beyond the Gas-Flame Stage, as illustrated in Figure (1-19) as to (1-18). { What this is saying is the mixture can be either spark or heat ignited to set off the reaction.}
Thermal Atomic interaction (gmt) is caused when the combustible gas ions (from water) fail to
unite or form a Covalent Link-up or Covalent Bond between the water molecule atoms. as
illustrated in Figure (1-19). The oxygen atom having less than four covalent electrons (Electron
Extraction Process) is unable to reach "Stable-State" (six to eight covalent electrons required) when
the two hydrogen atoms seeks to form the water molecule during thermal gas ignition. { This is saying that Meyer stripped the oxygen atom to its' 4th ionization energy level of 7469.2 kJ/mol or less than the 4th energy level. Why because the oxygen atom has eight electrons in its' outer orbit.}
The absorbed Laser energy (Va. Vb and V c) weakens the "Electrical Bond" between the orbital
electrons and the nucleus of the atoms; while, at the same time, electrical attraction-force (qq'),
being stronger than "Normal" due to the lack of covalent electrons. "Locks Onto" and "Keeps" the
hydrogen electrons. These “abnormal” or “unstable” conditions cause the combustible gas ions to
over compensate and breakdown into thermal explosive energy (gmt). { What this part is saying is that these primed oxygen atoms have enough energy to break the water down and re-react with them with more energy yield than just the hydrogen/oxygen reaction in air alone. Plus tells that the photonic energy is also stripping electrons from the oxygen atom.} This Atomic Thermal Interaction between highly energized combustible gas ions is hereinafter called "The Hydrogen Fracturing Process."
By simply attenuating or varying voltage amplitude in direct relationship to voltage pulse-rate
determines Atomic Power-Yield under controlled state. { This part is telling us that by simply raising/lowering the voltage we can control the power output of the reaction, and he went and grouped terms again.}

Also in the patent:
The Hydrogen Fracturing Process dissociates the water molecule
by way of voltage stimulation, ionizes the combustible gases by
electron ejection and, then, prevents the formation of the water
molecule during thermal gas ignition ... releasing thermal
explosive energy beyond "normal" gas burning levels under
control state ... and the atomic energy process is environmentally
safe.

Abstract of WO9222679
An injector system comprising an improved
method and apparatus useful in the production of
a hydrogen containing fuel gas from water in a
process in which the dielectric property of water
and/or a mixture of water and other components
determines a resonate condition that produces a
breakdown of the atomic bonding of atoms in the
water molecule. The injector delivers a mixture of
water mist(1), ionized gases(2), and non-
combustible gas(3) to a zone or locus(5) within
which the breakdown process leading to the
release of elemental hydrogen from the water
molecules occurs. {This is giving us the formula needed to break down water into its elemental forms hydrogen and oxygen with just the Gas Processor, water fuel injector, and a spark ignition or high heat ignition from a high compression type engine16:1 or higher. The need of the firestorm type spark plug is a must so that it makes sure the reaction occurs, that would be considered the locus. That formula is: water mist, ionized gases, noncombustible gas, and spark or heat ignition.}

The water fuel injectors


The water fuel injectors create micro-mini capacitors out of water by passing the atomized water mist through a high voltage zone. After careful study of the water fuel injector I found out that the inside electrode is surrounded by a column of air at 125 psi so the water mist never comes into direct contact with the center electrode.

How you get voltage to perform work is by physically changing the area, thus changing the charge surface density. This is very important information to know when it comes to understanding how Stanley Meyer got the some of the water mist to break down into hydrogen and oxygen. As the highly charged water mist mixes with the unstable oxygen atoms and recirculated exhaust gases it evaporates, thus changing the surface area allowing voltage to perform work on the water molecule. In a way he set a condition that caused the water molecules to short circuit. This is made possible due to the properties of water being that water is a dielectric liquid. Remember the relaxation time for water is є/σ< 10-6 seconds and for air є/σ> 10 seconds giving the water plenty of time to evaporate while still retaining its induced image charges from the injectors high voltage zone. The water mist is given a negative charge as a result.

Steam Resonator


The Steam Resonators job is to heat the water up to around 90 degrees C or more so that when the water is injected into the engine in vacuum conditions it immediately turns into vapor(not steam) thus aiding the water to evaporate faster, allowing voltage to perform work on the water molecules more readily. The Steam Resonators works much the same as a microwave oven by making the water molecules dipoles switch back and forth causing inter molecular friction.

There are two types of VIC transformers
Taken from the SMTB:
Quote:
Voltage Intensifier Circuit (60) of Figure (3-22) (Memo WFC 422 DA) as to Figure (1-1)
(Memo WFC 420) and Voltage Intensifier Circuit (620) of Figure (7-1) are specifically designed to
restrict amp flow during Programmable Pulsing Operations (49a xxx 49n) but in different
operational modes: (1) VIC voltage circuit (60) utilizes copper wire-wrap to form Resonant Charging
Chokes (56/62) of Figure (3-22) in conjunction with Switching Diode (55) to encourage and make
use of "Electron Bounce" phenomena (700) of Figure (7-9) to help promote Step Charging Effect
(628) of Figure (7-7) by preventing electrical discharge of Resonant Cavity (140 - 170) since
Blocking Diode functions as an "Open" switch during Pulse Off-time; whereas, (2) VIC Voltage
Enhancement Circuit (VIC - VB) (620) of Figure (7-1) incorporates the use of stainless steel wirewrap
coils (614/615) to accomplish the formation of unipolar gated pulse-wave (64a xxx T3 xxx
64n) without experiencing "signal distortion" or "signal degradation" (preventing transformer
ringing during signal propagation) as elevated voltage levels ( - xx Vc- xx Vd - xx Vn) while
allowing the reduction of Capacitor-Gap (Cp) (616) of Figure (7-11) width spacing (57 of Figure 3-
25 ~35 of Figure 6-2) (typically .060 - .010) respectively. as illustrated in Tubular Resonant Cavity
(170) as to Taper Resonant Cavity (620) of Figure (7-1).
Now it is clear that if the voltage zones are between 0.06-0.01 inches you need to use VIC number 2, if your voltage zones are higher than this VIC number 1 will work for you.

Now the VIC transformer creates its high voltages by way of reactive capacitance, XC1 • XC2 • XC3,…, • XC42. These type of transformer do not make their high voltages like a typical step-up transformer does. All of the bobbin cavities have to match in inductance with the primary coil’s inductance for the desired frequency the user is aiming for. This way makes sure that all coils hit resonance at the same time. Since the primary has the strongest magnetic field it leads the way for all other magnetic fields to add to its magnetic field strength.

The blocking diode stops the collapsing magnetic field from sending the voltage back to the secondary coil. It also doubles the voltage in the capacitor to that of the supply voltage from the secondary. The chokes limit current magnetically and also act as voltage multipliers the same way the secondary coil do. They also double the frequencies to the capacitors so what every frequency you are planning for make sure to cut that in half with designing your transformers. The current is out of phase by about 90 degrees lag time behind the voltage and that further limits the current flow so there is no arcing between voltage zones. As a result there is almost no signal degradation to the voltage zones.

Now the GP and EEC are the most important parts of Stanley Meyer’s patent for they can stand alone and improve any fuels energy output. And if you understand all of this you can make the system any way you like for it does not have to be made the way Stanley Meyer made it. Just follow the rules of what is needed to be done to make the reaction work. In the most basic sense what was done here was to make a controlled change to the environment inside of the intake system to one that is suitable for water combustion.


h2opower.
Maybe more to follow?

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« Reply #538 on: March 06, 2009, 02:15:46 AM »
Brian I had to do it

I think I'm done [ACTUALLY WE'VE ONLY JUST BEGUN]

Chet

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« Reply #539 on: March 06, 2009, 02:54:04 AM »
A little tidbit about

FLOW   

The gas speeds in an engines intake system are quite fast, example a four cyclander engine that has a displacement of 1.8L idles on average of 900 RPMs. Now I wont go over all the math for I feel you will get the picture. Now 900 RPMs is equal to 15 revolutions per second. Now let us divid that by two since it has four cycles and only two of the cylanders are drawing in air so we get 7.5 times per second. That would mean that 13.75 liters of air just got dragged through the intake system per second. So as you can gather the gas speeds are really fast. .74 seconds to an engine is on the slow side when you only talking moving the air about 2 feet or less.

About the Nitrogen we have to keep the temps below 1400 degrees I belive off of the top of my head. Stanley Meyer did this by recirculating the exhuast gases, but again he didn't give us any information as to how much. Therfore we all have to test it all out the hard way. I would gather though that at start ups you really don't want much recirculation going on and also when the engine is cold. But one thing I really haven't talked about much is the use of the steam resonator. It seems to have the same use as Albert Bowe's technology; watch: water manipulation motor - Google Video
For remember all the laws of physics/chemistry still can be put too good use like gas law science PV=nRT. And if you inject in water that is around 90 degrees or so in vacuum conditions the water will turn into vapor, not steam, for as you lower the pressure you also lower the heat of vaporization point.

More to come

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