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Offline ramset

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #510 on: March 05, 2009, 04:36:04 AM »
OUTLAW
thanks for your responce and contribution

the analogy I presented belongs to h20 power

HERE [it is his not mine]

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3217-stanley-meyer-explained-7.html

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #510 on: March 05, 2009, 04:36:04 AM »

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #511 on: March 05, 2009, 04:36:09 AM »
Dankies only 16 year's old, I guess he removed his post to show his respect.

The impact negative users can cause. Let me say this again, Buzz is gone so lets all hug necks and be civil again.


Cherio...

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #512 on: March 05, 2009, 04:49:02 AM »
SPEWING

are you/ Do you have ANY intention of sharing your tech on this Forum??

Chet

OPEN SOURCE IS OUR THEME HERE??

PS IF DANKIE IS 16

I am very impressed  and humbled

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #512 on: March 05, 2009, 04:49:02 AM »
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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #513 on: March 05, 2009, 05:25:42 AM »
SPEWING

Your comments would be welcome now

Chet

OPEN SOURCE OR NOT??

TIME IS WITHERING AWAY, MORE HANDS MAKE EASY WORK

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #514 on: March 05, 2009, 05:51:26 AM »
SPEWING

are you/ Do you have ANY intention of sharing your tech on this Forum??

Chet

OPEN SOURCE IS OUR THEME HERE??

PS IF DANKIE IS 16

I am very impressed  and humbled

I'll share when im ready to do so. So far i've pointed out how to "Confirm that these engines are already running on under 1 liter." You know the idel rpm, you know it takes 4 liters per min. This is my 3rd time of asking you to calculate it for yourself, and still you refuse to do so.

Will any member here be so kind to calculate roughly how much hydrogen these engines are really running on? I think i've pointed out an entirely lot! Do this math.

Quote my math, find errors in it, i do not care. Because i know my math is pretty darn close. I pointed out stevies engine was running on under 480 cc's of gas and farraday laughs at me because he doesn't understand it.

I stated, understand this by the time i get back, nobody here has made not 1 single effort!

Those that wants to understand, they will do the math! Again, i posted it 3 or 4 pages back.



When i started this thread, i had a goal. The goal was as i stated on december the 20th. This technology has 0 respect, and it is full of nasty users. You all should be civil to each other, and you shouldn't threat each other. I hope in some way that i've made an impact on cleaning it up. If you choose to keep it nasty then i want be in these nasty groups. I'm going back home to stevies, and if you get tired of the nasty's come over and visit. i will see to it you're taken care of.

This is a scientific tech, you cant force knowledge from a person. The definition of scientist is as follows; # One whose activities make use of the scientific method to answer questions regarding the measurable universe. ... | A person who studies natural phenomena in a systematic manner. | a person with advanced knowledge of one or more sciences  , Someone that researches something. Hence, A scientist is currently researching who the ripper really was, Their research hopes to reveal the killer.

You ask me if i am willing to share, i share what i have. I'm working on it. Put your science in how much gas is really running those engines and you'll see the light.  I feel as if i am begging you to do your homework?

The next time you hear from me i hope to have an running engine, You can make a choice, do your homework or hope someone will do it for you. You ask for direction and according to my research i've given you a road to follow. You know my direction, you know what i am trying to do. If not, then it can be determined by re reading the post here.

Good day, Brian

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #514 on: March 05, 2009, 05:51:26 AM »
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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #515 on: March 05, 2009, 06:06:34 AM »
Brian

Thankyou for the reply

I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for any vulgar language towards DANKIE

Please continue to share, God speed

Chet

PS this spot is gonna be HOT

OPEN SOURCE BABY

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #516 on: March 05, 2009, 06:23:22 AM »
a 350 chevy spewing,

5736.5 cc's , 500 rpm  8 revolutions per second,  air to hydrogen ratio-70:1, volumetric efficiency 50%
percent air in each cylinder 91.46% ,      h2 per cylinder 8.53%,     
required h2   2040.603cc per second? @500 rpms


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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #516 on: March 05, 2009, 06:23:22 AM »
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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #517 on: March 05, 2009, 06:33:50 AM »
a 350 chevy spewing,

5736.5 cc's , 500 rpm  8 revolutions per second,  air to hydrogen ratio-70:1, volumetric efficiency 50%
percent air in each cylinder 91.46% ,      h2 per cylinder 8.53%,     
required h2   2040.603cc per second? @500 rpms


outlawstc

Its better to learn the forumlas on a single cylinder engine and practice on it, Showing your work will allow others to understand what you're doing. I shown the work to whomever wants to pick it to death. The same formula can be applied to a 2,3 , 4, 8  or 12 cylinder engine. Start simple and work your way up.

Btw, i havent even begun to share the effect of hydrogen when it burns Down instead of up.

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #518 on: March 05, 2009, 06:44:47 AM »
Brian
onto whomsoever much is given much is required

Chet

good night all

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #518 on: March 05, 2009, 06:44:47 AM »
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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #519 on: March 05, 2009, 06:46:12 AM »
burning down huh.. theres only one answer for that i can guess and that is the hydrogen clings to carbon and the carbon is evenly distributed  so since it burns slower and doesnt shoot for the ceiling from being so light.. do to clinging to carbon. you can burn from any given point not just down?


outlawstc

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #520 on: March 05, 2009, 07:13:30 AM »
500 Rpm, 8.3333333333333333333333333333333 rps

Intake valve openings in one second for one cylinder, 4.15 times per second.

Intake valve stays open an total of 2.075 revs a second.

Every 240 milliseconds the valve on number one cylinder will open.

Time per 1 complet rev, 120 milliseconds. Time to remain open 60 Milliseconds for opening or 249 milliseconds for all 4 openings.

5736 Liters per min, Flow rate, 95.6 cc's per second.
10.4 milliseconds per 1 cc

Total valve open time 249ms / 10.4 23.9 cc's per that half of second. Roughly quick estimate, you need under 11.95 cc's per second per cylinder to run this engine according to your 5 liter claim. you need 71.7 cc's per second flow rate for all 6 cylinders. Estimated Gas to run this engine, Under 4.3 liters. Wasted gas, around 1.3 liters. V6 is bad for health.

See how i quickly calculated that, its not perfect, but it gives you ideal on how to calculate it.

Understand the delivery method used with the one not used. The above is bascily a rough estimate of what you "Was" using to idle your engine, and what you "was" wasting because you improperly delivered it to your engine. V6 is bad for health.

You must direct inject 5.9 cc's per valve opening time into your cylinder, With a smaller single cylinder engine its calculated you must inject atleast 2.4 cc's per valve opening time. Smaller cars is ideal.

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #520 on: March 05, 2009, 07:13:30 AM »
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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #521 on: March 05, 2009, 07:28:53 AM »
why is v6 bad for health? the cylinders are to small in volume? and never burn all the gas off?

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #522 on: March 05, 2009, 07:37:29 AM »
why is v6 bad for health? the cylinders are to small in volume? and never burn all the gas off?

outlawstc

lol, what i meant was you have lots of pistons, theres no need for that... you want to run a car not fly a rocket. My calculations is based on the information you have provided me with,,, if you feel you can produce the 4. whatever i said liters pretty easy then its all luxary, thats what your engine wants, learn how to give it to it.

Study the math, you'll find a spot that seems unclear, it'll come to ya if you think about it, you must have a "mechanical mind."

I just feel like a v6 isn't needed because it uses so much more gas, i mean you have 2 more pistons on it than you would a 4 cylinder, myself, i like my 3 cylinder car, Pisses me off when i cant see around a big v6 LOL. 

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #523 on: March 05, 2009, 09:06:35 AM »
@all

This topic is HOT smokin hot

A few folks with a secret [profit] agenda are trying to steer it

NO WAY

THERE ARE TO MANY PLACES BUSTING OUT WITH THIS INFO

OPEN SOURCE!!

CHET

Hi,
Is there any text file, which collects relevant information?
Its always better , to save such facts into a file to hard discs for further spreading.
Threads are fragile and easy to disturb by diversifying and such.

best,
sushi

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #524 on: March 05, 2009, 03:07:37 PM »
SUSHIMOTO

The gentle man [H20 power]  is summarizing all info as we speak I will post that when he is finished

Till then here is some very good info[From h20power]

     Like I said the WFC is NOT IMPORTANT it is the GAS PROCESSER that is the key to this technology.

Some numbers for you to think over:

Gasloine has a energy level of 495 kJ/mol
H2 + 1/2O2 has an energy level of 285 kJ/mol

Now this is what happens when it passes through the Gas Processor:
1st ionozation level,
H 1312 + 1/2 O 1313.9 = 1968.85 kJ/mol         
2nd for oxygen,
H 1312 + 1/2 O 3388.3 = 3006.15 kJ/mol     "" AN accelerator[as outlined by the user Buzz]""
3rd for oxygen,                                                    [added by chet]
H 1312 + 1/2 O 5300.5 = 3962.25 kJ/mol

Now you can see just what the Gas Processor is doing. Note, depending on how far you ionize the Oxygen the energy levels keep going up to end up with this:
H 1312 + 1/2 O 84,078.0 = 43,351 kJ/mol. Now that's energy

If you get to any one of these energy states it will run your engine with ease. So, the key is to make the Gas Processor and make it to ionize the gases that go through too a energy state as far as you can so you can get these energy levels to put in the cumbustion chamber and ignite them. I suggest to make two of them one for the incoming air and the other for the hho from what every source you choose to get the hho from. Now you can see just how Stanley Meyer ran his 1.6L VW engine on just a 7L/min production rate.

Energy independence is now yours for the taking, enjoy,
h2opower

.Much more info  to follow  Chet

This link courtesy of AAron  K9 Passage of electricity through gases[this link will be fixed Chet]

                   THIS INFO ONCE AGAIN h20 power


                                     The water fuel capacitor is not needed to run a internal combustion engine. The gas processor is the key to Stanley Meyer's invention. In the end Stanley Meyer didn't use a water fuel capacitor with his injectors. The injectors sent in a charged water mist with the same concept as a Taylor cone, primed Oxygen atoms, and recirculated exhaust gases. There was a very little hydrogen produced from the LEDs on the side of the injector to get the reaction started once ignited in the combustion chamber. But with a firestorm type spark plug even that wouldn't be needed, just gotta love addvances in technology .

Example: If the gas processor creates Oxygen striped to it's second ionozation level that newly formed (primed) Oxygen has the energy to break the bonds of water and then react with it. Oxygen in it's second level has 3388 kJ/mol and it only takes 1368 kJ/mol to break the bonds of water, now do the math and you will see why the Gas Processor is the key too Meyer's invention, for you can strip Oxygen way past the 2nd level. Try it, do the math and see the results for youself .

As for using the store brought ionizers not sure but the EEC has to be in the circuit for it consumes the negetive electrons that where just striped from the atom. If the EEC is not put in the nutrual and the negetive electrons will be attracted to each other and your primed gases would be lost in short order. The EEC's job is to consume the negetive electrons so the negetive oxygen ions have nothing to combine with cuting down the probability that the primed gases will combine with anything on their way to the combustion chamber for they will repel each other for most of them will be negetive electrons.

Energy independence is now yours for the taking, enjoy,
h2opower

.Much more info  to follow  Chet


              MORE

This is not a hard part of Stanley Meyer's patent to build, and the one thing I want to point out is when Stanley Meyer switched from gas injectors to water injectors the Gas Processor is still apart of the set up, that to me is a sign that it is very important indeed. Even in the Gas Gun again we have the Gas Processor, why no one has ever built one yet is beyond me.

Whats the harm in building one, it's in the patent? If your going to follow Stanley Meyer's work why would you not make one? That's like building a Tesla coil without the spark gap, for all it is a gap in the electrical connection and air. Answer it's in the patent. So, what makes Meyer's patent any different? Build it, test it, and then get understanding if that aproach works best for you, but the bottom line it is in the patent and it is easy.

And remember if I made any mistakes in my math please correct them, for I am only human after all. But also remember any mistakes I made doesn't impair the Gas Processor from working.

The end of the age of oil is now here,
h2opower

an example of a gas processor from h20power

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQvXrxrqshk&feature=channel_page

More information on the Gas Processor see the attatchment for the injectors:
Stanley Meyer: Water Electrolysis -- Canadian Patent # 2067735 -- Water Fule Injection System
Then you will have to find an injector system that you can add in a high positive voltage zone to give the water mist a negetive charge same princable as a Taylor cone or Lord Kevins water battery YouTube - Walter Lewin Makes a Battery out of Cans and Water .

Follow Stanley Meyer on this one, though at this point the whole process became too simple, for he got rid of the WFC, but he kept everyone thinking that he did not, and he started missleading everyone for patent protection purposes. The Gas Gun shows a gas processor that is worth copying.

If you look at the patent and take a good look at the injectors you will notice that he says it is an isolated circuit yet it is bolted right to the head of the engine. The water injectors are not little WFC's they are to give the water molecules a charge, mix all of the need componets(ionized air gases, recirculated exhaust gases, and atomized water mist), and spark ignite it. The whole set up bypasses any vehicals existing fuel system and computer controls, but it is not the only way to get the job done. For what Stanley Meyer was trying to do it worked perfectly.

All three needed items can be delivered seperatly as you have already guessed(atomized water mist, ionized air gases, and recirculated exhuast gases). Then it becomes a trick to find which type of vehicals fuel system works well for this. Now Guass has it also right, you can get the job done with hho, but then you have to make sure that the hho mixture will never back flash for if it does with this much energy content there goes the intake system of the engine, gasous injectors are the safest route to go like that. Not sure how much hho will be needed to, but follow Stanley Meyer's lead and shoot for a pressurized system that maintains the hho at 15 psi or so.

I am for the water mist since that way is simplest and safest. And any water source can be used since it will be the ionized air gases breaking down the water molecules, and not some form of electronlysis. All of the frequency stuff can be found in the patent from 10k-50k Hz and Meyer gives his reasoning. When you let the ionized oxygen atoms break down the water molecule the whole system get very easy, do your homework and you will see .

Well, I hope that helps,

Best Regards,
h2opower.
                                MORE TO COME Chet
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