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Offline ramset

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #270 on: February 23, 2009, 08:08:30 PM »
Outlaw

Thanks for that post

Many are trying to learn!!

Thanks again for taking the time to study and share

Chet
« Last Edit: February 23, 2009, 08:42:30 PM by ramset »

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #271 on: February 23, 2009, 08:39:07 PM »
no problem.. there is no doubt or theory on these statements.. it is based off what i am reading about electronics.

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #272 on: February 24, 2009, 02:53:21 PM »
When I originally joined this and similar forums some years ago, I – rather naively - expected to be conversing with like-minded intelligent human beings.

The sad truth is that these forums seem to be a magnet for muppets, the result being that intelligent people that might actually be able to contribute something useful, are either only around for a very short time before they tire of the stupidity or become intolerant of the nonsense, or stay completely well clear.

Like Buzz (and no, I’m not Buzz), many of you will know I’ve never been a fan of old Hydro, as his is amongst the worse of all the nonsense on any forum I’ve ever visited.  Actually no, I must correct myself here; the fact is that the very worst nonsense on any forum usually comes via Hydro in one of his guises.

A lot is mentioned about spelling, and although everyone produces a typo from time to time, such blatant and continuous misspelling and diabolical grammar must surely be a good indication of that persons level of education.  And let’s face it we are often scraping the bottom of the barrel here.

Ask yourself. How can anyone that cannot even string together a simple grammatically correct sentence actually be capable of even remotely understanding electronics or the chemistry involved here.  Some posts, if not complete and utter gibberish are totally indecipherable, making ancient hieroglyphics look like an easy read! 

Of course, the answer is blindingly obvious: These people haven’t got a clue what they are doing or indeed what they are talking about! And the misinformation they spread to the gullible is criminal. 

The ignorance and illiteracy on these forums never fails to amaze me – nor indeed does the following that these hopeless and uneducated individuals seem to acquire.

It really is a matter of the blind leading the blind. The ignorant and the stupid will go around and around in circles for as long as these forums put up with them, never achieving anything other than deterring intelligent minds from taking part. 

Obviously anyone with half a brain and a decent high school education can see the nonsense Hydrocars spouts for exactly what it is – absolute utter garbage. But, while he and his likes are allowed to freely plague these forums, nothing will ever progress, and it will forever be just a playground for idiots and morons.

Finally, just for you Buzz, sit back and have a laugh. My all time favourite Hydrocars post can be found here, where in his unending wisdom he explains that electricity is in fact an atom – called the Lithium atom!

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=469

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1194&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0

Hence, for anyone actually trying to learn anything, this is really not the place to do so.

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #272 on: February 24, 2009, 02:53:21 PM »
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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #273 on: February 24, 2009, 06:30:08 PM »
Farrah Day

Much in this world has changed since you were here last!!

As I recall you were attacked in a thread that was a build thread[BAD STUFF]

We need more people like you here!!

Chet

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #274 on: February 24, 2009, 07:04:43 PM »
Farrah Day
everyone knows how obsessed buzz light year the english teacher is about proper english skillz... so i therefore conclude that you Farrah Day are buzz.. lol you couldnt come back on your old name and say nothin because you lost your battle.. so now you bring your other infamous name on here and start talking about bad english again? i gotta give it to ya, your deff. not a quitter huh?  my last 3 post on here have probly been the most formative and real knowlege posts on this thread other then english skillz.. you are the person that can only see one way.. your way or no way... i would prefer it if you stay off this thread buzz nobody wants you hear..yea i just spelt here wrong to mess with you OCD somemore.  you are nothin but a downer,  nuisance to society. and down right ignorant to think just because someone cant spell and type correctly, that they are automaticaly marked as worthless troll of informative knowlege..  you minus well say all  dyslexia people in the world are idiots.. but infact alot of them are very smart in different ways.. if i hear one more comment about englsh skillz on this thread as a reasoning to try to hold a upper ground on people im gonna laugh.. why? because we all know who it is.. buzzzzzzzzz .



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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #274 on: February 24, 2009, 07:04:43 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #275 on: February 24, 2009, 07:28:43 PM »
Outlaw

having seen the last episode with user fearjar and FarrahDay

I disagree

Chet

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #276 on: February 24, 2009, 07:50:08 PM »
Hi Chet

Yeh, it's been a while. Unfortunately I don't find that much seems to have changed around here in recent months.  The place still abounds with illiterate idiots as Outlawstc has kindly emphasised above. Still chasing their tales and going nowhere fast.

It seems to me that if folks really want to show everyone just how stupid they are, that they flunked junior school, that they know nothing at all about about science and that infact they even struggle to write intelligibly, then this is the place to do it. Yes sir, this is the place - it's like a competition for retards, with Hydrocars setting the benchmark.

I know from past experience, it's impossible to converse intelligently with these people, the level of general ignorance is simply too great. Even with education aside, most mental ages around here seem to be in single figures.

If moderators implemented a system whereby people had to demonstrate that they have a reasonable level of education and an IQ at least in double figures before they were allowed to post, then that would immediately eliminate 90% of the forum members - and perhaps bring some sanity to the posts. 

Of course that will never happen, so for the foreseeable future this will simply remain, 'The Muppet Show'!

My tolerance for stupidity is, and always has been extremely low, especially when people are continuously spouting absolute garbage, again and again. I don't tend to mince my words... what's the point? Most people around here would struggle if I used bigger words.

I would strongly suggest to anyone wanting to learn about electronics, or anything else related to this WFC subject to use proven, trusted and reliable sources in order to avoid the misinfo and utter nonsense that abounds on these threads.

For your own sanity, and with reference to these forums, take heed of the only useful bit of information ever provided by the infamous Hydrocars. Quote: 'Don't believe anything you see or hear!'


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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #277 on: February 24, 2009, 11:03:41 PM »
Quote: 'Don't believe anything you see or hear!'

Wow. Thats progress.

Don´t believe anything you see, hear or feel !

Never trust a coil,
Dont´t believe in DVMs,
Read good books on electronics/electrics before you inhale the vacuum,
Try to understand back-EMF as nothing outside the universe,
(....)

quite inspiring - will do a list.

rgds.


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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #278 on: February 24, 2009, 11:49:28 PM »
wow i guess the books im reading are wrong... the only info pertaining to stans work i have posted is what i have read.. not theory nor misinformation..    read my posts people dont listen to these negative people here is a full post of truth.. farrah day/ buzz please inform where i have false information about electronics..



ladys and gents,

things to know about inductor chokes

1- The current that an inductor can handle depends on the size of the wire. The inductance
does not; it is a function of the number of turns in the coil, the diameter of the
coil, and the overall shape of the coil.

2- In general, inductance of a coil is directly proportional to the number of turns of
wire. Inductance is also directly proportional to the diameter of the coil. The length of
a coil, given a certain number of turns and a certain diameter, has an effect also: the
longer the coil, the less the inductance

3-Very small coils, with few turns of wire, produce small inductances, in which the
current changes quickly and the voltages are small. Huge coils with ferromagnetic
cores, and having many turns of wire, have large inductances, in which the current
changes slowly and the voltages are large

4- As long as the magnetic fields around inductors do not interact, inductances in series
add like resistances in series. The total value is the sum of the individual values. It’s important
to be sure that you are using the same size units for all the inductors when you
add their values.


-all in all we know that current is determined by size of wire used.
-inductance is determined by geometrical demensions of coil  and has direct relationship to number of winds.
-the longer geometrical coil the less inductance.. thats why 6-1 magnifies in individual cavities it is considered a 16th of an inch inductor. and its like having 14 seperate chokes in series. its also why the choke in his water polarization unit is small.
-Huge coils with ferromagnetic cores, having many turns of wire, have large inductances, in which the current changes slowly and the voltages are large

note of number 4- As long as the magnetic fields around inductors do not interact, inductances in series
add like resistances in series..
they are definatly interacting which would take away resistance in 6-1. this i beleave is why the all in one unit requires resistive wire.  then again depending on how the choke wire is wired you can have 2 seperate wires (Bifiliar) flowing the same way?


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here is fact not fiction so listen up,

Electrons can move rather easily from one atom to another in some materials. In
other substances, it is difficult to get electrons to move. But in any case, it is far easier
to move electrons than it is to move protons. Electricity almost always results, in some
way, from the motion of electrons in a material.

Electrons are much lighter than protons or neutrons. In fact, compared to the nucleus
of an atom, the electrons weigh practically nothing.

Generally, the number of electrons in an atom is the same as the number of protons.
The negative charges therefore exactly cancel out the positive ones, and the atom is
electrically neutral. But under some conditions, there can be an excess or shortage of
electrons. High levels of radiant energy, extreme heat, or the presence of an electric field
 can “knock” or “throw” electrons loose from atoms, upsetting the balance

Ions
If an atom has more or less electrons than neutrons, that atom acquires an electrical
charge. A shortage of electrons results in positive charge; an excess of electrons gives a
negative charge. The element’s identity remains the same, no matter how great the excess
or shortage of electrons. In the extreme case, all the electrons might be removed

Conductors
In some materials, electrons move easily from atom to atom. In others, the electrons
move with difficulty. And in some materials, it is almost impossible to get them to move.
An electrical conductor is a substance in which the electrons are mobile.

An insulating material is sometimes called a dielectric. This term arises from the
fact that it keeps electrical charges apart, preventing the flow of electrons that would
equalize a charge difference between two places. Excellent insulating materials can be
used to advantage in certain electrical components such as capacitors, where it is important
that electrons not flow.

An EMF (electromotive force) of one volt, across a resistance of one ohm, will cause a current of one ampere
to flow. This is a classic relationship in electricity, and is stated generally as Ohm’s Law.
If the EMF is doubled, the current is doubled. If the resistance is doubled, the current
is cut in half.

It is possible to have an EMF without having any current. This is the case just
before a lightning bolt occurs, and before you touch that radiator after walking on the
carpet. It is also true between the two wires of an electric lamp when the switch is
turned off. It is true of a dry cell when there is nothing connected to it. There is no current,
but a current is possible given a conductive path between the two points. Voltage,
or EMF, is sometimes called potential or potential difference for this reason

i dont want to here any debates.. read lean understand..

***************notes***************

charges in a wire are caused by excess or shortage of electrons for copper atoms.

conductors allow more fluid transfer of electrons..
t
he stainless steel will create resistance less fluid like transfer

emf transformers put out higher current as frequency increases..

double the resistance current drops by half

10-20khz is a low frequency so lower current being forced by emf transformer primary to secondary
turns then take over for upping volts.. even more volts and resistance/ impeadance is added by chokes to restrict the low amp voltage.

positve choke gets super saturated with positve copper ions.. the capacitance of the choke means more volume for more positive copper ions to be stored.. they in return want electrons so bad there trying to steel waters electons.. it will go for waters before it will go for the negative excitor plate since the waters are closer.. any that try to jump in the form of current is choked of by resistance of neg choke.
when tuning negative choke to waters resistance you are mainly lowering its potential of neg to prevent it from being strong enough to cross.

hope this helps all

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Filter chokes
The largest values of inductance that can be obtained in practice are on the order of
several henrys. The primary use of a coil this large is to smooth out the pulsations in direct
current that result when ac is rectified in a power supply. This type of coil is known
as a filter choke

Inductors at radio frequency
The radio frequencies range from 9 kHz to well above 100 GHz. At the low end of this
range, inductors are similar to those at audio frequencies. As the frequency increases,
cores having lower permeability are used. Toroids are quite common up through about
30 MHz


Inductors at audio frequencies range in value from a few millihenrys up to about 1 H.
They are almost always toroidally wound, or are wound in a pot core, or comprise part
of an audio transformer.
Inductors can be used in conjunction with moderately large values of capacitance
in order to obtain audio tuned circuits. However, in recent years, audio tuning has
been taken over by active components, particularly integrated circuits


***********notes*********

toroid and pot core chokes will not work.. they can only be used in a pre determined circuit that doesnt need to be tuned..  stan is using a tunable negative choke. ruling them out. i know of two ways to make a tunable choke.. one is to finely sand a  line from end to end of coil and use a copper rod that can slide from end to end..  the copper rod is attached to secondary neg along with neg choke.. the other way is shown in pic.. allowing your ferro rod to be adjustabe.   the one in the pic would work really good for having ability of electronic control by means of servo.

please buzz dont disagree with my non intelect self.. remember i am a moron becasue i dont write like a 12th grade english teacher..


whoever read this became smarter.. and now has a better understanding of electric..

so tell me farrah day/ buzz where am i babbling non sense?


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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #278 on: February 24, 2009, 11:49:28 PM »
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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #279 on: February 25, 2009, 12:33:41 AM »
Here is something nice , something you will probably save on your computer

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=122

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #280 on: February 25, 2009, 12:35:59 AM »
Peace Now !

My comments were based on the "hear and see" issue and of the general type - and had nothing to do with you and this thread.
BTW: You should write an FAQ.
My "never trust a coil" statement was because of the fact that a coil is from engineering point of view no "ideal" part - and everything you said here is right.
so - no issue.

rgds.


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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #281 on: February 25, 2009, 02:08:10 AM »
ST BUZZ

where are you ???

What have they done with you and Grumpy ?

SPEAK!!!

ARE you writing the idiots guide to Meyers??

Chet

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #282 on: February 25, 2009, 02:23:28 AM »
STEFAN
have you banned the BUZZ??

Chet

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #283 on: February 25, 2009, 02:26:45 AM »
STEFAN
have you banned the BUZZ??

Chet

The_Buzz is right here , he's Farrah Day .

We know 100% this is The_Buzz , debating this is foolish .

The_Buzz , come help your friend ramset , he needs help building his miraculous HHO heater ...

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #284 on: February 25, 2009, 12:12:50 PM »
Outlaw seems quite happy to be posting stuff he read in his 'electronics for beginners' book, but this should not be what the forum is about. This is the stuff folk should be studying or researching prior to coming on here to discuss WFC's.  This is the background science that folk should already have to enable them to then discuss the things that are at issue here and not readily found in textbooks.

This is not the place to try to teach electronics, especially when the teacher is a complete novice himself, not fully understanding what he is talking about, and so prone to getting things wrong and post misleading info!

As Outlaw has once again conveniently highlighted:

Quote
Ions
If an atom has more or less electrons than neutrons, that atom acquires an electrical
charge.

Doh! A neutron is neutral you muppet (the clue is in the name), so does not effect the overall electrical charge of the atom. The proton provides the +ve charge in the atoms nulceus.

So you see what I mean?

In one post Outlaw has redifined science as we know it, and does not have the backgound education to realise his mistake. You can no more trust these so-called educational posts any further than you can trust the idiot posting them.  This really emphasises just what I posted previously - it's the blind leading the blind, and more fool anyone that is stupid enough to be taken in by these idiots.

I get the impression that people think that they can simply jump in at the deep end and understand this stuff with no prior background education in science whatsoever - it just isn't going to happen!

If you want to learn about, electronics, chemistry or science in general, then go on a course, visit your local library, or dare I say it...BUY A BLOODY BOOK! By all means get yourselves an education, but DO NOT, EVER, trust anything you read around here, it will be your downfall.

 

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