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Author Topic: HydroMeyers Vic  (Read 188493 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #600 on: March 10, 2009, 12:25:32 AM »
Sorry you and the girl are the way you are

However more from the soldier

I have a question for you h2o power how did you made your coils? i'm asking about the white material what is its q factor? stray capacitance ...? i'm designing very high Q ones, and i tried pll design but i thought about using only white noise to control the cell. what do you use as the signal generator?

Best regards
Hi,

I made them from delrin, was going to use nylon but saw no need for it when I made my calculations, and I think it was 400 volts per mil or more. I use a Dr. Dingel type signal genarator that was on the web some years back it made use of the 40106 chip
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The lady, she speaks for her self [almost all the time]

Dankie you need more charm school

And definitely more marketing skills! Does a marketing opportunity have to run you over?

And probably a few self defense courses[unless you only have WEB BALLS and never talk face to face with peeps like that]
More to come.

Chet



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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #600 on: March 10, 2009, 12:25:32 AM »

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #601 on: March 10, 2009, 01:07:26 AM »
Sorry you and the girl are the way you are

However more from the soldier

I have a question for you h2o power how did you made your coils? i'm asking about the white material what is its q factor? stray capacitance ...? i'm designing very high Q ones, and i tried pll design but i thought about using only white noise to control the cell. what do you use as the signal generator?

Best regards
Hi,

I made them from delrin, was going to use nylon but saw no need for it when I made my calculations, and I think it was 400 volts per mil or more. I use a Dr. Dingel type signal genarator that was on the web some years back it made use of the 40106 chip
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The lady, she speaks for her self [almost all the time]

Dankie you need more charm school

And definitely more marketing skills! Does a marketing opportunity have to run you over?

And probably a few self defense courses[unless you only have WEB BALLS and never talk face to face with peeps like that]
More to come.

Chet




Ramset , plz go and market for me

lIttle pet that I am the owner of , worship the VIC coil and injector like it was egyptian artifacts  . Spread my message across every thread , every person you know , every grandma .

Now go and do something that you can do , go ask all your neighbors for $ and tell them I will save all the grandmas , rob them if they dont wanna donate [even grandma] , explain to them later its for their own good ... go lad , get some money for good ol dankie , you will make grandma proud .

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #602 on: March 10, 2009, 01:25:36 AM »
Dankie

Money?? thats banking

Listen take my word for it '"''MARKETING"" of course when ANYONE gets this working And OPENSOURSE'S the tech ,the world will beat a path to their door

Meanwhile  Smart talent marketing  AIN"T WHAT YOU DO!!  [JEESH almost 10000 hits here and your talking like an 8 year old]

Maybe, since money seems so important to you , go into banking YOU ARE DEFINITELY CUT OUT TO BE A BANKER
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Chet


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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #602 on: March 10, 2009, 01:25:36 AM »
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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #603 on: March 10, 2009, 01:29:25 AM »
Dankie

Money?? thats banking

Listen take my word for it '"''MARKETING"" of course when ANYONE gets this working And OPENSOURSE'S the tech ,the world will beat a path to their door

Meanwhile  Smart talent marketing  AIN"T WHAT YOU DO!!

Maybe, since money seems so important to you , go into banking YOU ARE DEFINITELY CUT OUT TO BE A BANKER
More later

Chet



YES $$$

I have much tools to buy , I cant do everything on my own . Send some $ to Hydrocarz also , he will teach you  a nice alternator trick . Everybody will get involved , everybody will suffer  . Then maybe just maybe we will feel like open sourcing .

Right now we are facing slow downs , everything is slow and expensive .
« Last Edit: March 10, 2009, 02:48:12 AM by dankie »

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #604 on: March 10, 2009, 01:41:26 AM »
Dankie

That was the first time you made me laugh

Yes money is the BIGGEST problem of private experimenters

You do remember my agenda does not conflict with yours, I don't need an alternator for OUR OPEN SOURCE furnace

More later

Chet

 
« Last Edit: March 10, 2009, 02:16:31 AM by ramset »

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #604 on: March 10, 2009, 01:41:26 AM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #605 on: March 10, 2009, 05:52:06 AM »
  Info from user the Buzz
There is  a wire type that would work and it would be perfect for the job since it is a copper and stainless steel composite. That wire is used to damp ringing in high frequency lines. The center conductor of many coax cables are made that way.

Now why do you think we need to damp ringing? Maybe it is because the coil shown, and Meyer's patent, both have many taps and as we hit those taps in rapid succession, it causes ringing. That is how Meyer step charged his cell at some point.

In his rotary pulse generator the voltage stepped up 8 times and you can prove that by looking at the end plate of the rotary generator. In that VIC transformer photo, we see 8 sets of outer primary winding pairs or common more chokes.

Now why would Meyer do that? I'm guessing it is because water is diamagnetic which makes it reflect a pulsed charge causing a massive impedance which rapidly changes as the gas bubbles form between the plates.

Think of it this way  - If your car is stuck in the snow and to run at the car and hit it with all your force, you will dent the car and hurt yourself and the car will not move. But... what if you slowly rock the car back and forth, each time pushing harder? Then the car moves and gets unstuck. That is why you go from high amp to high volts in rapid successive pulses. (Step Charging)

Attached is an image from Meyer's patent US5149407 Notice how the transformer is tapped? That is just a representational patent drawing, not a schematic. It is designed to fool you but anyone with even the most basic understanding of magnetics understands two things.

1. The VIC photo has multiple primaries and is most likely acting as an accelerator with the pancake coils.

Now there is another possibility.. When you hit H2 gas with UV and a high voltage, it transmutes into H1 and a huge blast of electricity is produced. This is why Meyer said the CENTER ELECTRODE could be used for energy recapture. Many free energy devices in the past used this process.

Now in order to switch the two ground plane contacts off to the side of the center electrode (VIC), you would need a bunch of resistive wire or you would blow the mosfets up. In fact, you would also want to build a choke to block that huge burst of current. Those outer coils could also be what is known as common mode chokes. The schematic in MeyerPhotos.zip indicates that unless the copper/stainless steel wire is used.

But wait, the high voltage is coming from the spark plug wire. Now why would we need to generate more high voltage inside the injector? What we really need is a way to switch the two ground electrodes. See what I am saying? In that case we would want to use resistive wire.


Now for Meyer...
Stan got rid of the tube cell in short order when he realized it was not really needed. Stan found that by ionizing the air and mixing that with water, the ozone he produced would split the water when it was mixed, compressed, expanded and hit with an arc. The arc is the "dead short" .

Even on Stan's first dune buggy, 1/3 of the back end was covered with a big metal box filled with nickle plates generating ozone. That and the tiny amount of hydrogen he was producing in his tube cell was enough to make a VW engine idle as long as the rotary pulse generator was plugged into his house. So Stan was really just transferring power from his house current to his engine that day. Once he figured out the value of the photolytic process of hydrogen production, things got better and he could run the engine just fine.
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I Ramset knows the photolytic process Meyer used, I disclosed it to him.'' edit chet'' [and I disclosed it here]                                   

Nobody works together, nobody shares information - just what some people want.

If you really want to run a car on water, you are going to have to let go of your silly tube cells and learn the photolytic process. There is not one single picture of Meyer driving down the road with a tube cell on the back of that dune buggy. The reason the [derogatory word] don't get that is they would not know the difference between a UV / ionized gas generator tube, a tube cell or the injector if you shoved it up their poop shoot. Everyone just assumes that it is inside the milk can just like they assume this web site is promoting free energy.

If Hartman really is interested in creating a free energy web site that can produce results, he is going to have to find someone to moderate out the spooks and [derogatory word]. As it is, the fox is renting the hen house.

More later
Chet
« Last Edit: March 10, 2009, 03:20:37 PM by ramset »

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #606 on: March 10, 2009, 01:12:04 PM »
Now there is another possibility.. When you hit H2 gas with UV and a high voltage, it transmutes into H1 and a huge blast of electricity is produced. This is why Meyer said the CENTER ELECTRODE could be used for energy recapture. Many free energy devices in the past used this process.


@Chet
Please expand on the above comment and do you have any other references to this subject?

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #606 on: March 10, 2009, 01:12:04 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #607 on: March 10, 2009, 03:35:44 PM »
AhuraMazda

The Buzz left comments all through his posts about this ,things happening on a molecular level, getting atoms into a certain state [unnatural]keeping them in that state, and making moments of opportunity
where you can take advantage of this imbalance , before nature  restores order

These posts are a gold mine of info with bits and pieces mixed in with other comments edit[which I delete, just post the meat]

More from the Buzz

The VIC is the ground side of the circuit. The water mixed with ionized radicals is the positive side of the circuit. Da!

The highest voltage mosfet I own is around 900 volts. Without all that stainless RESISTIVE wire between the charged water and the mosfet you will smoke the mosfets.

The air/gas processor is in the back end of the injector in later model. Under the plastic cover by the spark plug wire is a filter and needle valve where the air goes in through an aspirator, gets radicalized by the gas gun (ozone), goes down through the center insulated tube / electrode, enters the tiny little resonant cavities and mixes with the water, hits the spray grills and "FRACTURES" hits gets further compressed in the taper resonant cavity where it hits the two ground electrodes and explodes.

 The two electrodes are connected to the vic coil which is made of stainless so they don't donate electrons back to the water (LIMIT CURRENT FLOW) the SS coil does resonate and then gets switched to ground through the mosfets. The chokes limit current going to the mosfets.

The connector that controls the mosfets is on the side (Three contacts) The center contact is positive which drives the LED lasers in the gas gun and this process all happens in a fraction of a second.

Water going to the injector is at 120PSI.

That is how it  works. I built it a year ago with the plasma electrolysis which has been on my site ever since. Only one person to my knowledge ever had the  brains to put the plasma tube before the cell to produce those radical (O3 - O4) atoms  - me. It is called bond cleaving in general and .

Oh yeah, if you want to draw energy from the circuit, connect it to that outer bifilar coil. I am pretty sure that connected to the resonant cavity boxes on the side which should contain a cap and a diode which is charged opposite the water so the water and gas exchange electrons. (bond cleaving)

More later

                      General info from the Linderman group  [H3O -OH hypergas [the brass ring]
                    And Samuel Friedman Here  http://www.free-energy.ws/samuel-freedman.html

HYDROGEN: Hydrogen has been proclaimed to be the fuel of the future. Hydrogen is an extremely abundant element, as it is the major component of water (H2O). Hydrogen can be liberated from water with an electrical process called electrolysis, using any source of electricity available. When burned, hydrogen recombines with oxygen to form water vapor with no other pollutants. From an environmental point of view, you can see the appeal of hydrogen as a fuel.

Depending on how it is done, water electrolysis can produce three different products. 1) Separate hydrogen and oxygen gases, 2) an electrically expanded water molecule referred to as "Brown's Gas", or 3) a very volatile gas mixture referred to as "hyper-gas". Some people believe this extremely explosive gas is H3O-OH. Others believe that this gas contains free hydrogen atoms, which are known to be more explosive than H2 molecules. Whatever it is, this last, most energetic product of electrolysis, seems to be the key to efficient use of hydrogen fuel from water.

Hydrogen and oxygen can also be produced by a special alloy invented by Samuel Freedman that spontaneously dissociates water. This discovery could make hydrogen available at very low cost, if commercialized. There are also other alloys that can catalyze the dissociation of water in the presence of low levels of heat.

There have also been proprietary methods of water electrolysis that can produce large amounts of hydrogen with relatively small amounts of electricity developed by Stan Meyer, Xogen, and others.

One thing is for sure. Hydrogen fuel is in our future.
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« Last Edit: March 10, 2009, 11:51:06 PM by ramset »

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #608 on: March 10, 2009, 05:25:38 PM »
AM

can you still get access to mouserebellion.com forums or is the website down at present?


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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #608 on: March 10, 2009, 05:25:38 PM »
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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #609 on: March 10, 2009, 06:25:14 PM »
ramsat,
can you post your own work and stop being a little grunt messenger bringing information from the buzz? so if you are getting info from buzz and sharing it, what does he go by these days on the forum? also why is the buzz using stainless.. i thought he mad a big deal out of dankies stainless saying its not nessasary?

outlawsrc

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Your posts are all insidious and pointless. If you don't want to contribute or are not interested in an intelligent dialogue, just go away and leave us to it you sad sorry individual.


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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #610 on: March 10, 2009, 06:30:13 PM »
Farrah Day
Now that was a very good post

mouserebellion.com

Chet

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« Reply #610 on: March 10, 2009, 06:30:13 PM »
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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #611 on: March 11, 2009, 04:01:54 AM »
More from the Buzz
After a bit more research into Meyer I think I have sorted the wheat from the chaff.

The videos on the web have been spliced and the magical thinking minds of the people researching this have been tricked into thinking that Stan split water in a tube cell with milliwatts power. There is no evidence of that and the gas from his original cell would only idle a VW at best. There is also a huge ozone generator on the back of the buggy at that time that everyone ignores. The milliwatt power was going to the ozone generator in the air/gas processor.

Some people think that Stan claimed he could run a car on water generating hydrogen from a tube cell and he could have, but the particle generator was not allowed into the public domain. I.e., the national security patent review system suppressed the invention. It worked the way many free energy devices worked through H2 to H1 transmute using a UV laser. That is another story. Bottom line, Stan never ran his car that way either.

So this is the history of Stan's water car and the solution to the mystery of  coil photo.

Patents can be downloaded here: http://pat2pdf.org

September 1986 US patent 4613304  
In the device there are several accelerator coils for "pumping gas" and a few other things like a gas recycle system.

Notice on Stan's tube cell none of that exists? In fact, there is not a single instance I am aware of where the tube cell was powering the car on its own. The rotary pulse generator was always run from an extension cord. You could probably have enough power out of a 1 horse motor to idle that small engine once the compression was nullified by the engine running. I.e, the electric motor was running the car from house current.

May 1989 US 4826581
By this point Meyer has discovered the photolytic process. The patent clearly reveals the high frequency laser.

June 1990 US 4936961.
If you read the first paragraph - Objects of the invention - it states Fig. 3A through 3F are illustrations depicting the theoretical bases for phenomena during operation of the invention herein."

Electrolysis was hardly a phenomena neither was a pulsed DC source or a water capacitor. This patent appears to be nothing more than a way to re-patent electrolysis. Meyer had discovered the photolytic process already.

Sept 1992 US 5149407
Meyer now patents the photolytic process. The laser and the resonant cavities needed to produce the oxides are revealed.

By ionizing ambient air into a radical form of ozone O4, he was able to get that ozone to steal the covalent electrons that bond the H and O together when fired through the injector at 120 PSI, further compressed in the taper cavity and then suddenly expanded causing the water ozone mix to flash into steam. When hit with a high voltage arc from a vertox racing magneto and possibly laser light, it all flashed into hydroxy and exploded.

March 1994 US 5293857
In this patent Stan brings it all together with the management system, the air gas processor is fully disclosed, the laser, the injectors, everything. At this point in the evolution there are apparently no tube cells in the system.

Now look at the front cover of the box:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6702.msg155635#msg155635

Notice the patent number 5297857? That is the last patent Stan filed on the water car and there were no tube cells at that point.

That coil is the HV coil (VIC) that powers the electrodes in the ozone generator in the air gas processor. That coil is bank wound and that is how we wind a high voltage coil to prevent the layers from shorting. The rule is something like ten winds per layer and each layer has to be insulated.

This is the last patent Meyer filed on the water car and it was fully evolved for commercial production at that point. There were no tube cells in the process at that point and the front cover of that box proves what it is.

I was probably wrong on the connector. The connector on the box looks like a 15 pin computer joystick connector but I had another look and that cannot be determined. One thing that can be though, there are only four taps shown on that coil and that is what you would see for a standard HV coil along with the bank windings.

The VIC transformer that Dankie put up is a high voltage transformer for the air/gas processor to produce ozone and does not appear to have anything too special about it. High voltage transformers are bank wound like that to prevent arcing between the layers.

Stan never ran a car on water without external power without the ozone process. Stan never ran a car on just tubes cells without external power and their is no evidence of that. In fact, Stan never ran a car on water until he used the photolytic ionized air process. There is no evidence that Meyer ever did it any other way.

Hopefully that should solve the mystery of Dankie's coil photos and prove that nobody has replicated Meyer.

By ionizing air in an ozone generator or plasma tube and placing the tube cell under a vacuum and removing the gas through an aspirator pump you replicate many of the aspects of the invention. That is what my vacuum plasma electrolysis project taught anyone living in reality.

Used neon sign transformer from a sign shop - 50 bucks.
SS mesh and a jar - 10 bucks.
100 watt mercury vapor lamp with outer globe crushed in a vice - 12 bucks
A ballast to run the mercury vapor lamp - 100 bucks.
A fish tank pump - 20 bucks

I have done it two different ways. .
More to come

Chet
« Last Edit: March 11, 2009, 10:18:23 AM by ramset »

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #612 on: March 11, 2009, 12:06:11 PM »
Something quite amazing, posted by user zerotensor here

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6996.0;topicseen

Chet
more to come
« Last Edit: March 11, 2009, 01:12:28 PM by ramset »

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #613 on: March 11, 2009, 04:46:23 PM »
AhuraMazda,
you must be mistaken me for someone else.. i have posted very usefull information some pages back.. here is some more..  ramsat just soundsl like a broken record to me.


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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #614 on: March 11, 2009, 04:48:28 PM »
here is another intellect idea


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