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Offline ramset

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #570 on: March 07, 2009, 06:17:06 PM »
Dankie

This thread [I HOPE} Is about the advancement of Stan Meyer's Tech
The VIC being foremost in importance .I hope you don't perceive me as a threat[why would anyone as smart as you feel threatened??], it is my intention to follow this through OPENSOURCE

And I need a TORCH Give me a TORCH[''on paper'', low watt high production] and I will leave you to your injector

Tell Brian I will send him a laser thermometer put that 300-700F flame he has up against a piece of titanium or tungsten [which I will send him with the thermometer]

And he will see a 10 fold increase in heat [if he has the right lpm going to that torch of his]

More to come

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #570 on: March 07, 2009, 06:17:06 PM »

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« Reply #571 on: March 07, 2009, 07:14:41 PM »
Look ramset , you can even change the injector shape for different effect and keep the same VIC .

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #572 on: March 07, 2009, 07:32:10 PM »
Dankie

Why would I build an injector LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY

All I need Is a simple torch [of course I need PRODUCTION at low watts]

What you are doing with your Vic [maybe mine too] is great

I personally NEVER said anything derogatory about your wire[Stans wire] choice for that vic

I am not here to waste anyones time

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #572 on: March 07, 2009, 07:32:10 PM »
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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #573 on: March 07, 2009, 07:48:22 PM »
Dankie

Why would I build an injector LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY

All I need Is a simple torch [of course I need PRODUCTION at low watts]

What you are doing with your Vic [maybe mine too] is great

I personally NEVER said anything derogatory about your wire[Stans wire] choice for that vic

I am not here to waste anyones time

More to come

Chet





If you are too poor to have a piece of metal machined or know somebody who can do it for free than I suggest you give up this hobby . As I said before the logistics and cost will hit you straight in the face , this isnt fairy tale land .

I know other people who are not very rich , but we support them and equip them and send them the special machined parts because we value their skills and we know they can bring something to the table .
 
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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #574 on: March 07, 2009, 08:11:09 PM »
Dankie

You interpret a compromise as begging?

I have never made a part ,machine ,tool , that didn't work as intended when I shipped it

I had no idea you had a working system ready to ship!!

The way that you responded to Brians torch pic, it seemed like a Eureka moment for you?

Of course Brian's torch pic is impressive ,but with out watts used  information ???

I guess you are making a business out of this? Every man is entitled to his path and living

I choose OPEN SOURCE !!  And now I see ""YOUR ""point
 
The world is presently going to hell in a hand basket ,open source is needed'' NOW''

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                                  From another user THE BUZZ
Meyer used a laser to sustain the time of the reaction in a sub critical state - to prevent the recombination of the H and the O atoms. Meyer used high voltage AND high frequency to sustain the reaction time in the cylinder. What Meyer did not do is pump hydrogen into the intake manifold.

It is possible to produce such a intake system but the intake air must be converted into oxides (ozone O4) and nitrogen radicals (NOS) using high voltage and laser light. We call this reaction a laser cathode accelerator and this is what Meyer's air/gas processor did.

"Nobody thought of using an accelerator before" - Stan Meyer

Then that ionized gas is mixed with water mist and the ionized gas absorbs the covalent bond electrons that bond H2O and causes the water to become unstable and combustible. This is a chemistry term we call bond cleaving here in the US.

We want to make the water go from very high pressure to very low pressure while that ionized air and water are being mixed. (This is what Meyer called fracturing) The pressure change causes the water to split to steam and HHO and the laser again prevents recombination.
                 
                           More from the BUZZ
Hydrocars demonstrated that if you arc a plasma to a HHO flame, the flame roughly doubles in size. This is a method of electron extraction and the flame is larger since the mass got smaller and so you release more thermal energy when it recombines back into water. This is not how Meyer did it but interesting just the same. Unfortunately he seems to have deleted the video  - go figure.

Actually in the end the air gas processor was probably not needed. The version of Meyer in those photos did use exhaust gas just as Meyer stated. That is why there are three needle valves - hydrogen, exhaust gas and ambient air.

The exhaust system was an oxide radical gold mine which is what the air gas processor does, made the air a free radical to remove/absorb the electrons during the firing process.

In the end, I doubt as you say that it was needed but in the end, Meyer had improved the technology.

The other information you provided is interesting but as always, suspect for you are the Dankei.

When Chris banned you from OUPower, I secretly went to bat for you. I started a thread called "Save the Dankie" and pressed Chris in a series of emails regarding you to the point where Chris offered to ban me too.

An hour ago, I posted a step by step on Meyer. Within an hour, the entire thread was deleted. I will ban myself from oupower - the arm pit of humanity.

Not sure who you are and quite frankly don't care, this turfing must end. Otherwise this is only going to happen for a few people. Is that your goal?

My background is technical and I understand a common mode choke (bifilar coil next to core) when I see one. That is what splits the positive and sends it in two directions. Plus and negative charge.

I understand a pulse or trigger transformer when I see one. That is what the sets of bifilar coils around the outside do and they modulate the step charge coming from the primary.

A good example of this technology is a seismograph. The shaker truck goes through several harmonic frequencies filling the ground with vibration of a range of frequencies one at a time increasing the energy absorption of the ground. When it stops vibrating, the geophones listen. Replace the geophones with an amp consuming device that get's switched in between the plates at the point and the water gives up electrons in order to return to stable state. Lather, rinse, repeat.

So how that exact version worked or what is was driving is irrelevant. Your claim that it drive the spark plugs is false. That was done by the magneto on the distributor. That VIC, and there were several on the buggy at one point, drove the air gas processor.

Dankie I don't plan on having EXHAUST GAS TO UTILIZE IN THE FURNACE

More to come
Chet



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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #575 on: March 08, 2009, 12:20:17 AM »
Dankie,
I believe Meyer had more than one invention.
I love his WFC technology there was a simple use for it:
A few years back, I moved in to an apartment. In the kitchen was an electric cooker.
It was a horrible experience. I could not even fry an egg without burning it.
I was told I am not allowed to use a (bottled) gas cooker.
If I could use Meyer's WFC technology to provide gas for cooking perhaps
I would not have lost so much weight.

I love his water injector technology. Every time I buy petrol it pains me to know
I am lining up the pockets of some leech whose idea of exsistance is to put man
against man.

We should not be fighting each other here. We are in this shit because people are conditioned
to think that we must compete with each other to "win" rather than to co-operate.

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #576 on: March 08, 2009, 12:41:59 AM »
very true AhuraMazda ... we must open the minds to the deaf dumb and blind and the only way that is possible is with cooperation between each other.. the every man for him self act will just consume more energy of the human and soul and get no where.. war is created by fear tactics imposed on the public. we are all human potentials stop grounding your self out and let the potential grow.. step outside the box of idealistic traits that have led the past.. to change is to adapt and  evolve.. nothin has ever remaind the same.. if so there would have never been dinosaurs.. we must adapt to survive the changing times.. if we don't we will become extinct in the times to come..

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #577 on: March 08, 2009, 12:43:02 AM »
AhuraMazda

Very true But Dankie is not intending to open source [secret handshake club behind closed doors]

BTW nice thread you started ,a must read

Here is an article by Prof. ELIHU THOMSON who was a contemporaries of Tesla
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get249

Outlaw I agree

Provided by user the BUZZ on Yahoo  stanmeyerfulldata,pdf

more to follow

Chet

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #578 on: March 08, 2009, 01:32:56 AM »
@Dankie,
I will give you 1 million $ for your information 12 months from now but open source your information.
What do you think $1M will be worth in 12 months? May Obama help us LOL.

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« Reply #578 on: March 08, 2009, 01:32:56 AM »
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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #579 on: March 08, 2009, 01:34:00 AM »
ramset i have read that thing inside and out.. it has been on the net for over a year.. not because of the buzz.  and you keep speaking of secret hand shake club???? i simply wrote stevie a email and he assigned me a user name and password a couple months ago.. i have always used waterfuelcell.org. and head about that forum.. i had no problem being accepted.. no secret club rules like you try to impose it as... there is no secret hand shake.. just civil team work. so can you please stop tryn to give that forum a bad name???? how about you write stevie a email like he said and you can join too???


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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #580 on: March 08, 2009, 01:42:55 AM »
I have always been open source , dont try to put a spin into my thread .

And stop with ur frikkin TheBuzz and H2opower worshipping .

From now on you will worship the VIC coil and the injector , you will obey to you new master now little pet of of overunity.com special electolysis section .

I am the new master of Ramset .

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« Reply #581 on: March 08, 2009, 01:48:52 AM »
you can have him.. he seems to hard headed to teach new tricks..lol

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #582 on: March 08, 2009, 02:05:43 AM »
Outlaw

A lot of people [for a good reason[to them]] don't like signing up for things on the net

I will cease and desist on the hand shake club or any derogatory reference to it [no pun intended]

Anyway, been watching this Forum for many years and decided to join. I did not have to, Stefan and MANY other Forums allow peeps to come and go as they please,no strings attached

There are so many good men ,   No'' GREAT'' men here [a few wimins to] and they work tirelessly to help the world .HOWEVER always seems to get real close but no cigar [on BIG stuff]

Like you said this info is all OUTTHERE for at least one year, like manna from heaven
Discerning eyes can see it [having been a part of many patents, you never give away the house ,or give a man a stick to beat you with[ competition]

Translation you disclose as little as possible and completely leave out whatever you can
 
 I can't put a furnace in Grandmas house YET ,the pieces are all there, lets put them together

Chet

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #583 on: March 08, 2009, 03:19:35 AM »
Dankie

I saw your [nasty] post after I had already posted

After a reasonable amount of time [out of respect for that forum] I am going to ask the man That spent 31 months in HELL for his country[and is not to happy about what he saw] and who also saw first hand Faluga in I-ra-q H2OPOWERS To come here and share

I am also going to look and post whatever THE BUZZ posted that helps to explain what is relevant
He said right out in the open he left it here in his posts

And PLEASE ANYONE THAT CAN HELP PLEASE DO. I have to tell you this will get done
 [I HAVE PEEPS DREAMS ARE MADE OF[ THANK YOU LORD}

                                  OPENSOURCE [VERSION #!1]
                                  For version #2 see Dankie [sorry,] that's not derogatory

BUT ALL HELP AND ADDITIONAL RESEARCH WILL SPEED UP THE PROCESS

 Dankie
Charm school, and a few marketing class's might help your OPENSOURCE endeavor

Goodnight men, remember teach a man to fish
More to follow

Chet
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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #584 on: March 08, 2009, 04:58:29 AM »
AN updated version from a HERO of the cause


Summary of Stanley Meyer’s water for fuel technology by h2opower

This will be a compilation of all of my theories regarding how Stanley Meyer was able to utilized water as a fuel source. It focuses on Stanley Meyers water fuel injection system, answers most questions as to where does the energy come from, and shows the purpose of many items found in Stanley Meyer’s patent.

The Gas Processor


The Gas processor (GP) is the most important part of Stanley Meyers whole system coupled with the Electron Extraction Circuit(EEC) for without them you can have no Hydrogen Fracturing Process. The purpose of the GP is to raise the energy content of the whole reaction by stripping electrons from the incoming air supply by a corona discharge(Ion impact charging of the atoms). It is made to focus on the Oxygen atom in that the LEDs coherent light is chosen to match oxygen’s wave lengths and are used to bombard the oxygen atoms at the right wavelengths. The pulsing of the EEC and LEDs are the same and 180 degrees from that of the GP. Here are the ionization energy levels of oxygen:
• 1st 1313.9 kJ/mol
• 2nd 3388.3 kJ/mol
• 3rd 5300.5 kJ/mol
• 4th 7469.2 kJ/mol
• 5th 10909.5 kJ/mol
• 6th 13326.5 kJ/mol
• 7th 71330.0 kJ/mol
• 8th 84078.0 kJ/mol
Now let us take a look at the reaction to break and form the water molecule under normal conditions.
4 H-O 459 kJ/mol bonds are broken taking 1836 kJ/mol to do so.
2 H-H 436 kJ/mol bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 498 kJ/mol are formed yielding 1370 kJ/mol.

This is why all scientist say it takes more energy to break the bonds of water than you get from combining them, for the net sum of the reaction is negative, 1370-1836 = -466 kJ/mol.

Now the new reactions after the GP has stripped the electrons off of the oxygen atom are known as ionic reactions. Let’s take a look at the 1st energy level of 1313.9 kJ/mol.

The new reaction to form the water molecule 1st energy level:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 1313.9 kJ/mol are formed yielding 2185.9 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction is now positive 2185.9-1836 = +349.9 kJ/mol, so now we are getting more energy out than in. To give the energy level a bench mark for comparison the energy content of gasoline is +4864 kJ/mol. So only striping one electron off of the oxygen atom resulted in a positive energy level but still far behind that of gasoline.

Stanley Meyer said he stripped four electrons off of the oxygen atom so let us take a look at the reaction as told to us in the patent.
The new reaction to form the water molecule at the 4th energy level is as follows:
2 H-H bonds 872 kJ/mol and 1 O=O bond 7469.2 kJ/mol are formed yielding 8341.2 kJ/mol. The net sum of the reaction now is 8341.2-1836 = +6505.2 kJ/mol
Now this is more than 1.3 times the energy content of that of gasoline, and gives an answer to the question of, “How did Stanley Meyer ran his 1.6L engine with an hho production rate of only 7L/min.?”

Another question some might have at this stage. “Why doesn’t the GP make Ozone?” That is the job of the Electron Extraction Circuit(EEC). The gas speeds inside of the GP and the proximity to the EEC’s positive screen mesh grid doesn’t give the freshly stripped electrons a chance to form ozone by consuming them in the form of heat. The unstable oxygen atoms will have a positive charge and will be unable to stabilize for at least 0.74 seconds. That may sound like a short time but the gas speeds inside of an engines intake system are very fast. What the gas speeds are I will leave for the reader to calculate. Without the EEC the GP will only produce mostly ozone, though ozone does have a higher energy content than normal oxygen atoms it also will oxidize just about anything it comes into contact with.

Quote:
Non-sequential ionization

When the fact that the electric field of light is an alternating electric field is combined with tunnel ionization, the phenomenon of non-sequential ionization emerges. An electron that tunnels out from an atom or molecule may be sent right back in by the alternating field, at which point it can either recombine with the atom or molecule and release any excess energy, or it also has the chance to further ionize the atom or molecule through high energy collisions. This additional ionization is referred to as non-sequential ionization for two reasons: one, there is no order to how the second electron is removed, and two, an atom or molecule with a +2 charge can be created straight from an atom or molecule with a neutral charge, so the integer charges are not sequential. Non-sequential ionization is often studied at lower laser-field intensities, since most ionization events are sequential when the ionization rate is high.

Now let us look at what is said in the patent:
Thermal Explosive Energy


Exposing the expelling "laser-primed" and "electrically charged" combustible gas ions (exiting from
Gas Resonant Cavity) to a thermal-spark or heat-zone causes thermal gas-ignition, releasing thermal
explosive energy (gmt) beyond the Gas-Flame Stage, as illustrated in Figure (1-19) as to (1-18). { What this is saying is the mixture can be either spark or heat ignited to set off the reaction.}
Thermal Atomic interaction (gmt) is caused when the combustible gas ions (from water) fail to
unite or form a Covalent Link-up or Covalent Bond between the water molecule atoms. as
illustrated in Figure (1-19). The oxygen atom having less than four covalent electrons (Electron
Extraction Process) is unable to reach "Stable-State" (six to eight covalent electrons required) when
the two hydrogen atoms seeks to form the water molecule during thermal gas ignition. { This is saying that Meyer stripped the oxygen atom to its' 4th ionization energy level of 7469.2 kJ/mol or less than the 4th energy level. Why because the oxygen atom has eight electrons in its' outer orbit.}
The absorbed Laser energy (Va. Vb and V c) weakens the "Electrical Bond" between the orbital
electrons and the nucleus of the atoms; while, at the same time, electrical attraction-force (qq'),
being stronger than "Normal" due to the lack of covalent electrons. "Locks Onto" and "Keeps" the
hydrogen electrons. These “abnormal” or “unstable” conditions cause the combustible gas ions to
over compensate and breakdown into thermal explosive energy (gmt). { What this part is saying is that these primed oxygen atoms have enough energy to break the water down and re-react with them with more energy yield than just the hydrogen/oxygen reaction in air alone. Plus tells that the photonic energy is also stripping electrons from the oxygen atom.} This Atomic Thermal Interaction between highly energized combustible gas ions is hereinafter called "The Hydrogen Fracturing Process."
By simply attenuating or varying voltage amplitude in direct relationship to voltage pulse-rate
determines Atomic Power-Yield under controlled state. { This part is telling us that by simply raising/lowering the voltage we can control the power output of the reaction, and he went and grouped terms again.}

Also in the patent:
The Hydrogen Fracturing Process dissociates the water molecule
by way of voltage stimulation, ionizes the combustible gases by
electron ejection and, then, prevents the formation of the water
molecule during thermal gas ignition ... releasing thermal
explosive energy beyond "normal" gas burning levels under
control state ... and the atomic energy process is environmentally
safe.

Abstract of WO9222679
An injector system comprising an improved
method and apparatus useful in the production of
a hydrogen containing fuel gas from water in a
process in which the dielectric property of water
and/or a mixture of water and other components
determines a resonate condition that produces a
breakdown of the atomic bonding of atoms in the
water molecule. The injector delivers a mixture of
water mist(1), ionized gases(2), and non-
combustible gas(3) to a zone or locus(5) within
which the breakdown process leading to the
release of elemental hydrogen from the water
molecules occurs. {This is giving us the formula needed to break down water into its elemental forms hydrogen and oxygen with just the Gas Processor, water fuel injector, and a spark ignition or high heat ignition from a high compression type engine16:1 or higher. The need of the firestorm type spark plug is a must so that it makes sure the reaction occurs, that would be considered the locus. That formula is: water mist, ionized gases, noncombustible gas, and spark or heat ignition.}

The water fuel injectors


The water fuel injectors create micro-mini capacitors out of water by passing the atomized water mist through a high voltage zone. After careful study of the water fuel injector I found out that the inside electrode is surrounded by a column of air at 125 psi so the water mist never comes into direct contact with the center electrode.

How you get voltage to perform work is by physically changing the area, thus changing the charge surface density. This is very important information to know when it comes to understanding how Stanley Meyer got the some of the water mist to break down into hydrogen and oxygen. As the highly charged water mist mixes with the unstable oxygen atoms and recirculated exhaust gases it evaporates, thus changing the surface area allowing voltage to perform work on the water molecule. In a way he set a condition that caused the water molecules to short circuit. This is made possible due to the properties of water being that water is a dielectric liquid. Remember the relaxation time for water is є/σ< 10-6 seconds and for air є/σ> 10 seconds giving the water plenty of time to evaporate while still retaining its induced image charges from the injectors high voltage zone. The water mist is given a negative charge as a result.

Steam Resonator


The Steam Resonators job is to heat the water up to around 90 degrees C or more so that when the water is injected into the engine in vacuum conditions it immediately turns into vapor(not steam) thus aiding the water to evaporate faster, allowing voltage to perform work on the water molecules more readily. The Steam Resonators works much the same as a microwave oven by making the water molecules dipoles switch back and forth causing inter molecular friction.

More to follow

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