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Author Topic: HydroMeyers Vic  (Read 200345 times)

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #540 on: March 06, 2009, 03:07:35 AM »
This is one of the many ways gas will perform. Notice that if the gas burns up the tube you will get a jet effect. Removing the small nozzel from the bottom of the plug will make the burn rate appear very week, reducing the hole size determines the time of burn rate and temp.

So far i've found over 5 ways to ignite the gas, and only 1 way that creates a rapid pressure effect. When the gas is ignited in a corner and burns its way outward, A rapid gas expansion occurs, and its this expansion that will push the piston down. Without the injector tube acting as a combustion chamber above the old combustion chamber i doubt you'll see the gas conversion effect. I'm convinced this is a magic trick.

Since the Volume above your piston is so big in mass, i doubt you can get the unseen effect without the extra combustion chamber. None combustible gases regulated with ambient air can control the burn rate in the second combustion chamber. Reducing ambient air or exhaust gas flow into the cylinder controls the amount of gas injected into the injector. Its possible to add ambient air and non combustible ports directly on the injector if the burn rates can not be controlled threw the intake manifold.

Stan used a Crack Pressure of 13.4 or so psi, I hope to make success with lower crack pressures. I assume he did this to insure it safe. A second protection check valve can be located between the injector and generator, However i want to know if my valve fails so i will not be using any safety valves during any of my test.

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« Reply #540 on: March 06, 2009, 03:07:35 AM »

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« Reply #541 on: March 06, 2009, 03:14:43 AM »
This is one of the many ways gas will perform. Notice that if the gas burns up the tube you will get a jet effect. Removing the small nozzel from the bottom of the plug will make the burn rate appear very week, reducing the hole size determines the time of burn rate and temp.

So far i've found over 5 ways to ignite the gas, and only 1 way that creates a rapid pressure effect. When the gas is ignited in a corner and burns its way outward, A rapid gas expansion occurs, and its this expansion that will push the piston down. Without the injector tube acting as a combustion chamber above the old combustion chamber i doubt you'll see the gas conversion effect. I'm convinced this is a magic trick.

Since the Volume above your piston is so big in mass, i doubt you can get the unseen effect without the extra combustion chamber. None combustible gases regulated with ambient air can control the burn rate in the second combustion chamber. Reducing ambient air or exhaust gas flow into the cylinder controls the amount of gas injected into the injector. Its possible to add ambient air and non combustible ports directly on the injector if the burn rates can not be controlled threw the intake manifold.

Stan used a Crack Pressure of 13.4 or so psi, I hope to make success with lower crack pressures. I assume he did this to insure it safe. A second protection check valve can be located between the injector and generator, However i want to know if my valve fails so i will not be using any safety valves during any of my test.

holy smokes ,,,, insane pic

The Hydrogen godfather strikes again .

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #542 on: March 06, 2009, 03:22:27 AM »
YES BRIAN

Nice flame

YOU GO BOY

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« Reply #543 on: March 06, 2009, 03:32:06 AM »
I shouldn't have ignited it from the bottom like that, but it was fun. In the photo you see the gas burning from the outside inward, this creates thrust. When the gas is ignited from the plug it burns from the inside out, this creates expansion. Thats why i posted the photo.

You can learn an entirely lot from filling diff tubes up with hydroxy and igniting the ends, and sides. When i Sealed all holes with my fingers and fired the plug, i almost broke my fingers. I also like to shoot caps from the plug, it makes a nice cap gun.

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« Reply #544 on: March 06, 2009, 03:50:48 AM »
BRIAN
Thats the biggest HHO FLAME i'VE SEEN IN A LONG TIME

you go bro

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« Reply #545 on: March 06, 2009, 04:30:18 AM »
ramset,
just want you to note that stan meyers says on video that the ionize gasses don't react with the water until passed through the injector high amplitude frequency wave.. and im sure stan was using a high energy state ionization process.


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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #546 on: March 06, 2009, 04:38:37 AM »
and.. that the firestorm spark will not alter the state space in the manner.needed for separation.... voltage dynamics buddy.. pulsing opposite forces


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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #547 on: March 06, 2009, 04:47:40 AM »
WELL BOYS

ITS  past my bed time

God Bless and good night

remember

On to whom so ever much is given much is required

OPEN SOURCE BROTHERS ,good night

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« Reply #548 on: March 06, 2009, 05:49:52 PM »
                     MORE MATH AND SCIENCE GUY"S

                  HHO as A CAR FUEL COMPARED TO GASOLINE 
         
                        From user  Creativity    Very good reading

                ,and reason for a gas processor or as Stan Meyer said an

                                            """"" ACCELERATOR ''''''''''

Let us calculate how much an engine needs to run.Goal is to calculate an amount of air and fuel used.I will calculate the air needs in liters as we are interested here in volumes to compare it later to the volumes of H2 or H2,O2 gases needed to run an engine.
First of all who still has no knowledge of AFR (air fuel ratio) please read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-fuel_ratio

1)Now our good running engine uses around 14,7 g of air per 1g of gasoline (heptan,octane mixture),that comes out of AFR calculation of perfect burning.I will make an example how to calculate the AFR for a given fuel:

C7H16 + 11O2 ->7C02 + 8H20

heptane has a moll mass = 7*12+16*1=100 [g/mol]
we are using air as an oxidant so we have also nitrogen present and it is 79 % of volume of air.It will give us around 41 molecules of N2 in this situation.So our air mole mass=11*16*2 + 41*14*2=1.500 [g/mol]
 now 1.500/100 = 15 this is our AFR for heptane.

2)just how much is this 14,7 g of air in volume?

Air has density of 1,2 g/liter.Volume is then =12,25 liter

3)let assume that our engine uses 10l of gasoline to drive our car 100km/h in 1hour.So an engine of around 2-2,5 liters of displacement,rated with around 150HP( i assume ,but i feel it can be also quite good calculated out of engine efficiency and gasoline caloric value).
How much air volume will it use?

Density of gasoline 737,22 [g/liter] shows us that we used 7.372g of it for our trip.
So air used=14,7*7.372=108.368 g.
It is then =108.368/1,2= 90.307 liters of air.

4)How much of air was used per minute?

90.307/60=1505 liters

5)how much fuel per minute was used?

7.372/60=123 g

6) and when the fuel was evaporated how much space it occupied?

Gasoline expands around 220 times in volume when evaporated(comes from comparison of density ratio of liquid gasoline with the gaseous form) , so we used 2200liters of evaporated gasoline.
It is around 2200/60=37 [liters/minute].

OK let as got some attention to our big question of using H2,O2.From a SAE technical paper i have a graphic describing the effects of adding H2 into the internal combustion engine runned on CNG.Graphic speaks about the possibility of further shift of lean mixture AFR limit when H2 was feed to the fuel.Unfortunately i can`t put this graphic here because it is copy righted.But i think copyright allows me to say what is the effect observed Smiley Lean limit of pure gasoline is around AFR =25:1 according to this source.Adding of 8% of H2 into the combustion shifts AFR to lean limit of 26 :1.So it is a shift of 4%.Further addition of around 20% of H2 shifts AFR to 27,5:1 resulting in relative 9% shift.So it makes some sence to add H2 to the engine.

This effect was described for addition of pure H2,however i believe if H2,O2 was used effect could be slightly different.Result of electrolysis in form of a H2,O2 mix has 33% of volume made of O2.I could think of two situations:
a)extra oxygen would lean the charge even more and counteract the H2 effect
b)oxygen would assist the burning of the fuel by adding extra heat to burn even leaner charge.

Now let me try to calculate the H2 burning in air.I will try to make analogical calculations as for heptane,just to see how much of the H2 would we need to run our can in a situation as above.

2H2 + O2 ->2H2O

AFR (2*16+3,76*2*14)/(2*2)=34,25 :1

it is 34,25/1,2=28,5 liters of air per 1g of H2.

This time we need to know how much energy was released in gasoline engine,because we want to make our hydrogen car to run at least as well as our gasoline car.In the first example we used 7.372g of gasoline for our trip,this would translate to 327MJ produced.I won`t take into consideration the efficiency of the engine,i just assume it won`t change substantially under pure H2.I make this assumption to make first approximation of amount of H2 required to run an engine.Later we can add efficiency to the calculation.
327MJ translates to 327[MJ]/130[MJ/Kg]= 2.517 g of hydrogen used to make the same work.
Now volumes:

0,09 g/liter is the density of H2 gas.

0,09*2.517=27.967 liters of H2 gas

As in our previous example all of it was used in 1h time for our trip.It is 27.967/60 = 466 liters of gaseous H2 per minute!.
Norm amount to produce from on-board electrolysis alone,no?But that is not the end now.Just compare the numbers:

Our car on gasoline used 90.307 liters of air + 10 liters of not yet evaporated fuel.This all went for the trip.I use 10l of gasoline because when it was feed to the engine most of its evaporation process took place inside of the cylinder.
Our car would need to use 27.967 liters of H2 + 2.517*28,5 liters of air in total to burn it for the trip.IT is 99.701/90.317= 1,1 times more volume of gases would have to go through the engine(so volumetric efficiency would have to improve).We simply suck not enough oxygen from the air to burn our H2.Our engine would have to be supercharged or rpm would have to go higher for the same power demand.

Situation would be different if we used 2H2,O2 mixture(as from electrolyser).In that case AFR would be a bit more tricky to calculate.We have here an extra oxygen feed and exactly as much as we need,In this case oxygen from the air is not needed at all and a result will be that we run lean mixture.Problem gets not easier when we feed more H2,O2.In that case we get more power and hot running engine,feeding even more will result in big explosions and only way i can see would be inject water to cool down the engine and slow down the burning.Maybe dumping of some oxygen from the electrolyser outside of the engine could help,just to achieve a stoichiometric mixture for H2 without adding more of H2 and ruining the engine.

Coming back to our car trip  Grin.We still want to produce the same energy as in pure gasoline or H2 case.This time we have extra oxygen available so volumetric efficiency won`t suffer,no supercharging or higher revving will be needed.We can then stick to gasoline base case  90.317 liters of charge introduced to the engine during the trip.The reason is that we can manipulate the amount of oxygen supplied to burn H2.We have an excess of oxygen so we will dump all the oxygen that could cause lean burn.We use as in a pure H2 case  27.967 liters of H2.The  90.317 - 27.967=62.350 liters will have to contain all the oxygen we need.Only air won`t support enough oxygen (as shown in pure H2 usage case),supplying of all the O2 from electrolyse,next to ordinary air will give us too much oxygen.Wear have to find how much of the O2 we need to burn stoichiometric(the best).
 coming back to :

2H2 + O2 ->2H2O

What we see here is we use 1 volume of O2 for every 2 volumes of H2 to have a nice burn.We have 27.967 liters of H2 so we need the half of it in volume of O2.

1-{[62.350 -27.967/2])/62.350}= 0,224

With above formule i calculated what part of the total air and O2 supplied has to be the oxygen.In easy words we need upgrade air to have 22,4% of oxygen.The rest of the oxygen we don`t need anymore.With this i offer you ,the one who had a long road to read through all this calculations  Grin  Cool my respect Smiley.As a reward i can bring u step closer to the solution of an on-board hydrogen production.

                            BELOW IS MR PASZKOWKI"S  THEORY[on going]


I am an author of an idea as follows:
As u see oxygen release from the electrolysis is not what we want.We can make a small amount of O2 (2,5% of air volume sucked to the engine) but it costs us a big penalty of energy used to release this oxygen from OH bond.Sure we can Strip it and get this one extra hydrogen,that is what you all do in electrolysis.I say it is not the way.Use this energy to strip another water molecule of the only one Ht.As well as combustion engine,fuel cell can also use oxygen from the air.What i see, is usage of the low energy electrolysis with minimal OH bond braking rate.This cell will produce almost only hydrogen that can be feed to the fuelcell to produce electricity with air oxygen.This system has a chance to become overunity.The secret of the not stripping of the OH bond will stay for a moment here.I have to finalise my long research on it first.

all the best,
Bartosz Paszkowski


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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #549 on: March 06, 2009, 07:36:45 PM »
BRIAN

You put an accelerator [gas processor ] In series with that torch
       
                  YOU"LL BLOW A HOLE IN THE WALL

      WHAT IS AN ACCELERATOR?? [or GAS PROCESSOR?}
   
      WHERE IS IT IN STANS PATENTS??[ALL OF THEM RIGHT UP TO HIS FINALE DESIGN}

      IDEAS ON HOW TO BUILD ONE??

      STAY TUNED

      Chet
                                 OPENSOURCE FELLOWS  the ONLY WAY

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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #550 on: March 06, 2009, 08:01:56 PM »
BRIAN

You put an accelerator [gas processor ] In series with that torch
       
                  YOU"LL BLOW A HOLE IN THE WALL

      WHAT IS AN ACCELERATOR?? [or GAS PROCESSOR?}
   
      WHERE IS IT IN STANS PATENTS??[ALL OF THEM RIGHT UP TO HIS FINALE DESIGN}

      IDEAS ON HOW TO BUILD ONE??

      STAY TUNED

      Chet
                                 OPENSOURCE FELLOWS  the ONLY WAY

Build your own gas processor if you want to , we are not gonna do that .

We make the VIC and injector , thats it , GP not needed .



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« Reply #551 on: March 06, 2009, 08:21:46 PM »
ramset,
i want to bring to your attention the name of this thread... in case you havent noticed it is hydromeyers vic.. its not gas processor and air ionizer.. so can you please stop mixing your info on this thread.. we know its open source but you are more or less corupting this thread by throwing it off subject.. im sure if you just post a link to the thread where you keep copying from and pasting from .. we can go view it our self if we want.... please stop putting it off subject.


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Re: HydroMeyers Vic
« Reply #552 on: March 06, 2009, 08:28:48 PM »
Dankie

You don't need an engineering firm

An R+D facility

Or a MACHINE SHOP

And Lord knows how much time [to run a car LEGALLY and without knowing long term effects to the engine] }

        From the beginning I said all I want to do is make a furnace that runs on straight water

         You want to drive a car [the way the world is going where you gonna go?]

I want to heat Grandmas house, ALL OF THE GRANDMAS SHIVERING AND DYING IN THE COLD AS I WRITE THIS

And if you don't think old folks are turning down the heat and getting sick because of it your in a different world

  A gas processor/accelerator and Brians straight water torch and I"M DONE JOB COMPLETE

NO ENGINEERING FIRMS

 NO TRAIL AND ERROR INJECTOR EXPERIMENTS

ETC ETC .......

Some more info [mostly all] on Stan

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2265617/water-to-combustable-Stanley-MeyersWater-FuelCellTechnical-BriefFULL

Much more to follow

Chet



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« Reply #553 on: March 06, 2009, 09:06:59 PM »
Outlaw

A vic is required in a gas processor/accelerator

I am pulling and sharing info from all over this thread and the internet

 THIS IS NO GAME I'M PLAYING

 THE BIGGEST BANKS IN MY COUNTRY {USA} ARE TRADING AT PENNY STOCK LEVELS

YOU WILL SEE A VIC HERE [With instructions] OPEN SOURCE

More to follow

Chet

PS  The world you boy's started building your secret, MAYBE some day open source project in

                                 HAS      CHANGED !!!

                           DO YOU FELLOWS HAVE A TV?[I'm serious ,I belonged to a church that forbid that]

Anyway HOW I USE MY VIC SHOULD"NT CONCERN YOU

I believe Heat [even though you southern fellows don't see a need] can make electricity, warm homes ,and feed people year round [soon to be very relevant}

Nothing wrong with using your VICS for driving cars around
.



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« Reply #554 on: March 06, 2009, 09:20:51 PM »
ramset,
 your starting to give me a bad vibe.. anyone can warm grandmas house with a furnace if they just read and learn.. go follow your gas processing people if they got it.. so u can heat grandmas house.. vehicles are of up most importance in many ways..for instance think how much fuel all the semis in the world go through in one day.. and the control they have of that fuel.. we are in danger of engineered food shortages..if evil decided to do so.. all that money going to a fuel that could be free from mother earth.. so you say build a furnace i say that info is on the web already. and thats a walk in the park compared to this. so learn and go build one.. stop throwing the forum off subject.. personal message it to dankie.. thats who your directing it to right? theres a war with corporate interest and peoples interest right now.. and has been covered with illusions  by the soap oprah life most have chosen to live.. .the luxuries of 22's bling bling and money. its all about the benjamins.. but should have never amounted to that in our society.. we people should be free..  paying interest on a 30 year house loan is a scam.. any interest is really a scam. we should only have one tax, the fair tax is when you pay taxes only on stuff you buy.. the more stuff you buy the more taxes you pay. its the kiss method and takes away all other scandelous taxes.. school should be of way different standards we go through half our youth sitting inside away from nature in the most uncomfortablest plastic chairs ever made. the school has been there perfect weapon for setting a standard by the standard they choose to brain warp us with.. they start us off young getting used to a mon- fri schedule.. so when its time to hit the work force we accept the schedule of working 5 days a week with 2 days off.  we people should have the right to do as we please and not be forced into the workforce on a 5 day a week schedule inorder to make ends meet.. it keeps are minds completely distracted in survival mode to where when you hit 50 years old your thnking to yourself, where did my life go? all i have doine is worked to make ends meet and barely have anything to show for my hard efforts.  im not saying im lazy and dont like to work and sit on my ass every day.. just saying that the 5 day a week mandatory is slavery forced by pay wages that are just enough to get you by on a 40 hour a week schedule... the main causes are the cost of electric, gas, bullshit taxes, interest on your house etc. i did some math the other day cause i was curious about how much does a middle class pay for electric and gas in one month.. im think like 200 for electric and 200 for gas in one month one year that comes out to 4800 dollars now we could of fixed this 10 years ago but it was stopped so going off the estimated middle class yearly cost.. middle class has spent around 48,000 dollars in the past 10 years for energy.. lets say theres 4 million middle class households. that comes out to 192,000,000,000 dollars spent in the last 10 years.. you say make a furnace i say fuck that. im going for adjustable 95-110 octane in a corvette..

cheers
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