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Author Topic: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible  (Read 54217 times)

Offline allcanadian

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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2009, 07:57:23 PM »
@newsflash
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Just what the HELL are you talking about. Underunity is where you get less energy out than in. That is the case for every system in the history of everything. Go back to school
No, what you are stating is impossible ---Here is an example, I put 100 watts of power into an electric motor and 60 watts performs work as power in turning the motor shaft, then where did the other 40 watts go?. Well, the other 40 watts was converted to heat and you would have me believe this is underunity when it is not nor could it ever be. I have converted 100 electrical watts into 60 watts of work and 40 watts of heat, nothing is lost and nothing is gained-----this is not underunity it is the conservation of energy, in case you do not understand--- Heat is a form of energy and 100w = 60w+40w
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"Underunity is where you get less energy out than in."
Note you have said "ENERGY", the conservation of energy dictates that you cannot get less energy out than you put in or more because when ------ALL----- forms of energy are accounted for input must equal output. You are confusing useful energy with all forms of energy in general, it does not matter if the energy is useful or not it is always conserved 100% of it, this is unity-----this is basic physics.

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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2009, 07:57:23 PM »

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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2009, 08:08:11 PM »
Hi allcanadian  :)

You are absolutley correct there.  ;)
I have found it is best to just ignore those know it all's.
Don't waste your precious time on guy's like newsflash and other stupids.

Marco.

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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2009, 08:10:44 PM »
Note you have said "ENERGY", the conservation of energy dictates that you cannot get less energy out than you put in or more because when ------ALL----- forms of energy are accounted for input must equal output. You are confusing useful energy with all forms of energy in general, it does not matter if the energy is useful or not it is always conserved 100% of it, this is unity-----this is basic physics.

Yes, I understand that. What we're dealing with IS useful energy. You can't make a free energy device if the energy coming out is useless heat, because you need another system to collect that heat, which also loses heat. Do you see how this works? All devices are inefficient because of a loss of heat.

Aaaaanyway, overunity doesn't come into any of this. You can never have more energy out than in. Just admit that overunity doesn't exist, and then we can start talking about real free energy devices. You know, ones that get energy from solar or other sources in the Universe.

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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2009, 08:10:44 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2009, 08:14:11 PM »
Newsflash

Perhaps you could explain

How does a 300 F hydrogen gas flame become a 3200 F Flame with no variables changed ??

Except you hold it [the300F flame]against Titanium

Thats 10 times more out than in

      Chet

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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2009, 08:15:50 PM »
The explenation has already been given.

It would be appropriate to say more energy out then you have to pay for.
For example if you put in let's say 100 Watts and the device put's out 1000 Watts, and you are only paying for the 100 Watts you put in, then You have 900Watts for free.
This can be labeld "overunity" but offcource it is not.
The 900 Watts have to come from somewhere.

Marco.

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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
« Reply #50 on: January 31, 2009, 08:18:46 PM »
How does a 300 F hydrogen gas flame become a 3200 F Flame with no variables changed ??

Except you hold it [the300F flame]against Titanium

Titanium is the source of energy. Eventually, the Titanium is going to burn away and be all gone.

How hard is this concept for you people to grasp? All energy has a source, and the energy is simply transferred from one source to another. Nothing is ever being created or destroyed.

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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2009, 08:25:06 PM »
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Hi allcanadian 
You are absolutley correct there. 
I have found it is best to just ignore those know it all's.
Don't waste your precious time on guy's like newsflash and other stupids.

I know this is pointless but I enjoy the almost senseless debate every now and then, LOL. It helps me refine my debating skills for when I have to prove real physics to actual scientists who know there physics from years of experience. Actually I have found scientists are much more receptive than this member newsflash ,only because they can see and understand the bigger picture. In any case I better get back to work, I have had my fun for today.
Regards
AC

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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2009, 08:25:06 PM »
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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
« Reply #52 on: January 31, 2009, 08:31:48 PM »
Really, what field of science?
My background is rather diverse...

When I was young my passion was plant life, as in botany and horticulture...

My second love is electronics, which started meager, but evolved into integrated circuit design and manufacturing, but living in a clean room sux...

Moved on to printed circuit board design and manufacturing...

Of course I had to integrate software into this mix, and now know many programming languages, starting with high level languages, such a C, BASIC, and G.  But I had to get down to the fundamentals, so I learned assembly language as well.

On the side I am far advanced in electrical engineering, and electromagnetic design.  I build my own guitar amplifiers, well and amplifiers for anything else I need one for...

Probably my strongest science is chemistry, a vital part of soldering, and manufacturing...

In the future I want to explore antigravity and time travel...

But my favorite science is still botany, and this is evident by the lush, vibrant beauty of my extensive garden which yields a plethora of fruits and vegetables...

Something else I am quite practiced in is natural healing (NOT medicine)...

If I see an abundance of free energy anywhere is in the plant kingdom.  One tiny little seed will grow into a plant which will produce multitudinous pounds of fruit.  Free groceries...  Nummy...

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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
« Reply #53 on: January 31, 2009, 08:32:28 PM »
Newsflash

 Tell that to these guys

 Is it possible to get more out than in

http://www.browngas.com/eng_bestkorea/history_1.htm

 An HHO heater the inventor/seller infers he has running overunity

  There is alot going on in the world

 Chet
 

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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
« Reply #54 on: January 31, 2009, 08:33:09 PM »
@Marco
I know this is pointless but I enjoy the almost senseless debate every now and then, LOL. It helps me refine my debating skills for when I have to prove real physics to actual scientists who know there physics from years of experience. Actually I have found scientists are much more receptive than this member newsflash ,only because they can see and understand the bigger picture. In any case I better get back to work, I have had my fun for today.
Regards
AC


You didn't even respond to my last response.

You are correct in saying that total energy is not lost. Of course it isn't, hence energy cannot be created or destroyed....

But in terms of real useable energy, a system always loses energy... Read my last response, and stop being a cocky idiot. Overunity is impossible. Get a new hobby, like real, plausible free energy devices that don't use overunity.

Quote from: ramset
Newsflash

 Tell that to these guys

http://www.browngas.com/eng_bestkorea/history_1.htm

Yes, that's getting energy from a SOURCE -- water!! It is not god damn overunity. And it almost certainly doesn't work, anyway.

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If I see an abundance of free energy anywhere is in the plant kingdom.  One tiny little seed will grow into a plant which will produce multitudinous pounds of fruit.  Free groceries...  Nummy...

Yeah, and how does the seed grow into a plant? Through SUNLIGHT (a source of energy) and WATER (another source of energy).. NO OVERUNITY!!!

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In the future I want to explore antigravity and time travel...

Good luck.... At least if you're enjoying yourself with your unfounded craziness, that's all that matters.

Offline ramset

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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
« Reply #55 on: January 31, 2009, 08:44:08 PM »
News

ENERGY FROM WATER ?

 You smokin something?

     Chet

PS
How often do you change the heating element in YOUR water heater

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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
« Reply #55 on: January 31, 2009, 08:44:08 PM »
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Offline The Observer

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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2009, 08:56:53 PM »
Hello News,

If you haven't seriously considered the dynamics of resonance, it can be hard understand that energy gets stored in the system.
  In this case, it's the air in the hollow body of an acoustic guitar.

An easy way to comprehend this is a swing.

Only.... I MEAN ONLY.... I SAID ONLY when the swing gets a small push at the exact... I MEAN EXACT... I SAID EXACT right frequency,
   does it's swing amplitude grow.

99.9999999 % of all other frequencies result in little or no energy stored in the system (the swing).
    This is the reason for your and conventional science's skepticism when it comes to more energy out than in.
         
So to sum up (pun intended) the swing stores the energy of each push in it's system.

The same thing happens with the air particles in the Hollow Body of an Acoustic Guitar.
It does not happen with the solid body of an Electric Guitar.

Why?.... Shape and Form can amplify specific frequencies.

Have you ever heard of the Q factor in Resonant Systems?

              Q = 2*pi*(energy stored/energy dissipated per cycle)

A low Q system would be ringing a bell with your fingers holding the bell...it will not ring long.
A high Q system would be ringing the bell without fingers... it will ring a long time.

The point is.... ENERGY IS STORED IN THE SYSTEM when resonating.

            Please acknowledge that you can now see that.

I do appreciate your response and thank you again for stirring people's minds.

Sincerely,
 
                  The Observer

P.S. A fun way to think about the swing is this,

            I could tap my finger on your head for a minute, and you would say "that doesn't hurt... no harm was done to me."
   
             I could tap my finger with SAME ENERGY mind you, on a swing.
                  I guess I need to say the the frequency of the tapping is the same as the natural frequency of the swing.

             After 1 minute of pushing to a higher and higher amplitude, You stick your head in the path of the swing at its lowest point.

             If you are still conscious, you would say  "that hurts and I now have a bump on my head".

Why?  Because the SWING STORED THE ENERGY of each tap... and let you have it's sum when your head was inserted into it's path.

I know this example sounds mean.
I am only illustrating the point in a way that cannot be argued with and is a bit funny at the same time,
                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                         so please don't take it personally. ;o)



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Offline Tempest

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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2009, 09:06:33 PM »
So it sound like to me that this is all a misunderstanding of words. You are in fact right, there is no such thing as over unity, or under unity.

There are systems with a COP above 100%. Look at an air conditioning cycle. Systems with a COP of 700% have been designed. 

But are you going to go as far as to say that we can't get power from an unknown source, say zero point, dark energy or what ever there are calling these days and convert it into a usable form.

I truly don’t believe that you are going to get energy out of nothing. But I am not going to say I understand everything either.

Offline sushimoto

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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2009, 09:43:53 PM »
<SNIP
OVERUNITY IS IMPOSSIBLE. End of story. <SNAP>

THE EARTH IS FLAT. Period.

huhhh. damn. I have set my time machine to the wrong century.

In a hundred years, humankind will (re)name OverUnity as "COMMON PHYSICS".


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Re: Newsflash: Overunity is impossible
« Reply #59 on: January 31, 2009, 09:51:57 PM »
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How hard is this concept for you people to grasp? All energy has a source, and the energy is simply transferred from one source to another. Nothing is ever being created or destroyed

and Conservation of Energy ...

Although there is merit to both statements they only apply to 3D dimension ... it does not apply quantumly .. if it did the Universe would not expand as it does ...

for the Conservation of Energy to hold its ground ... nothing would exist except when the initial energy surge was first introduced.  Something had to create the elements even hydrogen which is a main building block.  We just lack the knowledge so far to be able achieve overunity.  We can although achieve unity but what energy we need in form of mechanical power or some other power.  Cold fusion does provide somewhat of what we may call overyunity as there is no heat as a by-product.  MIT has proven this.

 

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