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Title: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: radmag on January 30, 2009, 01:29:39 PM
I am thinking on using this diamagnetic material to screen two same polarity neos by putting it between them.Is it a succesful material to do this?
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: Koen1 on January 30, 2009, 01:54:00 PM
What do you want to "screen"?
Do you want to make it so that the magnets don't "see" eachothers field?

Perhaps this magnetic field deflecting material would be usefull?:
http://www.rexresearch.com/wadle/wadle.htm
a brief quote:
"The present invention concerns a shielding material for a magnetic shield containing coal slag; silver powder; a mixture of calcium powder, magnesium powder, and zinc powder; and silica powder. The shielding material is in powder form. In another embodiment, the present invention contemplates adding nano-silver to the shielding material. The present invention is based on the concept that the magnetic field is actually "deflected" away from the area shielded.

A magnetic shield is traditionally made of a metallic material such as steel, iron, and nickel. Because metallic materials have a strong attraction for magnetic fields, the shield traps the magnetic force and diverts it around the equipment generating heat."

So in contrast to the commonly used magnetic "shielding" materials such as iron, nickel, cobalt, mumetal, etc, that
do not actually shield anything from anything but rather offer a path of higher flux permeability,
they claim this material actually deflects the magnetic field...
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: radmag on January 30, 2009, 02:02:21 PM
I will perform a process very similar to this.

http://kalininaa.narod.ru/img1/anim.gif

Gettng bigger energy than used for moving the shield.
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: Paul-R on January 30, 2009, 03:56:21 PM
I will perform a process very similar to this.

http://kalininaa.narod.ru/img1/anim.gif

Gettng bigger energy than used for moving the shield.
This is pretty similar to an early John Ecklin motor
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter1.pdf
See page 27.
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: radmag on January 30, 2009, 04:29:35 PM
Yeah you are right.It is very similar to Ecklin's design.But Ecklin's design is just a design.There is no working device.To add this no explanation about magnetic shield.It is very easy to say magnetic "shield".It is just a word.But what about it's chemical properties?

I am just searching for this material.It must a diamagnetic material.In room temperature the best (at least for now) is pyrolytic graphite.I am just wondering is it worth to do this experiment with pyrolytic graphite?
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: Paul-R on January 30, 2009, 05:28:35 PM
Yeah you are right.It is very similar to Ecklin's design.But Ecklin's design is just a design.There is no working device.To add this no explanation about magnetic shield.It is very easy to say magnetic "shield".It is just a word.But what about it's chemical properties?

I am just searching for this material.It must a diamagnetic material.In room temperature the best (at least for now) is pyrolytic graphite.I am just wondering is it worth to do this experiment with pyrolytic graphite?
You will not need a huge amount. Why not ask these
people to send you a free sample?
http://www.graphitemachininginc.com/pyrolytic-graphite.html
Paul.
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: radmag on January 30, 2009, 05:38:40 PM
I will ask a sample Paul.But nobody here tried this shielding experiment?
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: arringtj on January 30, 2009, 05:58:17 PM
Sorry, but pyro graphite will not work in this embodiment. The effect is one million times weaker than the ferromagnetic effect.

I have bought the nano silver and other compounds for the other patent but have not tried to mix them and try it yet.

I would recommend you try the same and we could compare results?

Thanks,
Jeff
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: Paul-R on January 30, 2009, 11:25:30 PM
Sorry, but pyro graphite will not work in this embodiment. The effect is one million times weaker than the ferromagnetic effect.

I have bought the nano silver and other compounds for the other patent but have not tried to mix them and try it yet.

I would recommend you try the same and we could compare results?

Thanks,
Jeff
This is an excellent idea. Also, pull to pieces an old scrapped
computer hard drive, and get out the two Neo magnets near
the coil, and with a sharp knife, get these off the mumetal
base.

Try the mumetal as well.
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: radmag on January 31, 2009, 01:58:42 AM
Doesn't numetal stick to neos?Let's think it didn't.But numetal catches all the fluxes from the magnet so it will be so difficult to seperate from them.There must be a room temperature diamagnetic solution.

Arringtj I am very curious about that mixture.I am looking forward to your reply about it.
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: eavogels on January 31, 2009, 06:36:24 PM
I also tried something like that: http://www.fdp.nu/dualpistondevice (http://www.fdp.nu/dualpistondevice)
/Eric

I will perform a process very similar to this.

http://kalininaa.narod.ru/img1/anim.gif

Gettng bigger energy than used for moving the shield.
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: tropes on January 31, 2009, 10:59:41 PM
I also tried something like that: http://www.fdp.nu/dualpistondevice (http://www.fdp.nu/dualpistondevice)
/Eric


I also have tried mumetal as a shielding material with no success but one material that may work as a shield is bismuth.
Tropes
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: radmag on February 01, 2009, 12:04:50 AM
Tropes,why do you think bismuth is the only material?As I researched,pyrolytic graphite is more diamagnetic than bismuth.(approx. four times)
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: tropes on February 01, 2009, 12:22:36 AM
I also have tried mumetal as a shielding material with no success but "one material that may work" as a shield is bismuth.
Tropes

Not the "only material" Radmag
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: Koen1 on February 01, 2009, 02:58:14 PM
Idk, didn't Bismuth become superconductive when supercooled?
Didn't superconductive Bismuth generate a "meissner" field,
reflecting any ambient magnetic field back ?
(See videos of magnets hovering over a piece of supercooled Bi)

But really, think about it... Either you want the flux to pass through the
"shield" because the flux permeability of the "shield" is much higher than
the surrounding materials, in which case the magnets would become
attracted to the "shield" and would be difficult to remove from the shield,
or you want the flux to be deflected from the shield, never passing through
it and always going around it, which would also "deflect" the flux from
"colliding" with the opposing flux from the opposing magnet, in which
case the magnets would never be attracted to the "shield" but would
"feel" a decreased opposed flux from eachother when the shield
is in place. It would seem that removing the magnets from their "shielded"
spot would increase flux opposition a bit.

right? ;)
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: tropes on February 01, 2009, 08:51:52 PM
But really, think about it... Either you want the flux to pass through the
"shield" because the flux permeability of the "shield" is much higher than
the surrounding materials, in which case the magnets would become
attracted to the "shield" and would be difficult to remove from the shield,
or you want the flux to be deflected from the shield, never passing through
it and always going around it, which would also "deflect" the flux from
"colliding" with the opposing flux from the opposing magnet, in which
case the magnets would never be attracted to the "shield" but would
"feel" a decreased opposed flux from eachother when the shield
is in place. It would seem that removing the magnets from their "shielded"
spot would increase flux opposition a bit.

right? ;)

You are right. So if the two opposing magnets were attracted to each other and a "shield" of antiferromagnetic material (pyrolytic graphite, bismuth) came between them, they would be repelled.
Tropes
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: radmag on February 02, 2009, 04:28:21 AM
Did I miss out anything?I am just asking since the beginning of the topic.Is pyrolytic graphite strong enough to repel two strong neo magnets when it is between them?
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: 0c on February 02, 2009, 05:24:05 AM
Did I miss out anything?I am just asking since the beginning of the topic.Is pyrolytic graphite strong enough to repel two strong neo magnets when it is between them?

It might if it's thick enough, say 2 feet thick.
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: radmag on February 02, 2009, 05:31:29 AM
It might if it's thick enough, say 2 feet thick.

 ;D
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on February 02, 2009, 11:29:22 PM
you have to make the magnets almost weightless with magnets above to actually levitate....I got some sitting on my desk here cool but very weak ....
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: tropes on February 02, 2009, 11:54:21 PM
you have to make the magnets almost weightless with magnets above to actually levitate....I got some sitting on my desk here cool but very weak ....
@Pyro
The magnets don't have to levitate. The attraction needs to be blocked at the point where they are nearest to each other similar to the coil between the two opposing magnets in the Sotropa Motor-  http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=oHvxB8sFyFo
 The attraction would provide 180 degrees of rotation.
Tropes
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: brotherjames on March 13, 2009, 05:38:39 PM
Hello,

I tryed bismuth, it won't create the magnetic valve effect we are looking for.
I then tryed Pyro Graphite from AUS at about $20.00 for a 25mmx25mm sq at 6mm thick. I bought 4 squares and I havn't seen any results no matter how I stack'em.

I do notice a slight phanomanon when little pieces of the graphite are slivered off and placed on the neos, but I don't see any reflecting of magnetic lines of force.

If someone has found a diamagnetic material that can be used to shut off the magnetic force, then let me know also.

brother james
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: argona369 on March 13, 2009, 06:25:04 PM
>If someone has found a diamagnetic material that can be used to shut off the magnetic force,
> then let me know also.


Hmmm,
Maybe have a look at this new class of composite materials here,
(magnetic film layer over topological insulator)

Magnetic monopole
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6987

Cliff,
Title: Re: Pyrolytic graphite shielding
Post by: The_Jerk on March 17, 2009, 03:49:09 AM
Just use some bismuth as an accelerated force coupled with some neodymium magnets.  We've all seen the awesome levitation effects that bismuth produces, but somehow the fixation ends there.  Obviously bismuth repels both the north and south poles of any magnet, I can't see how people never thought to use it for propulsion.  I know you can get bismuth powder from smallparts.com, now this would be a perfect catalyst to mix in with magnaview fluid to create a repulsion/attraction effect needed for a rotating electromagnetic highly viscous medium needed for space craft propulsion.  Of course you would still need to power the rotating magnetic field somehow in order to begin pulling the fluid to high enough rpms to excite the aether into molecular repulsion.