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Author Topic: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works  (Read 31134 times)

turbo

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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2009, 01:41:14 PM »

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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2009, 12:36:44 PM »
This is an excellent thread. Great analysis from Aaron and qiman. Thanks guys!

"Splitting the Positive"
It seems to me that the simplicity of Cold energy is to create a HV vacuum from the sudden discharge of 2 equally balanced capacitors. As the flow of electrons actually goes from the negative to the positive. A capacitor actually has an implosive action, sucking up electrons as it discharges.
So a synchronized HV discharge between 2 balanced caps will create an electron vacuum between them. Nature abhores a vacuum and fills it with something else; Cold energy?

I thought about this and I drew up a circuit that I think gets to the point. I'll try it out tomorrow.

Does it look like it will work?
Is there something else that the tubes do that bring about that extra kick of energy?

quarktoo

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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2009, 02:44:38 PM »

Is there something else that the tubes do that bring about that extra kick of energy?

Yeah, make it work. Check out Naudin's MHOG experiment. Replace copper flask with copper coil. The secret to Gray tube is the H2 to H1 transmute.

You might check out some of Jerry Bayles's work if you are up to the science.

http://www.electrogravity.com/HydDisEnergy/HydDisEnergy_1.pdf

Notice the yellow graphic mid document? That is the principle of sustaining the burn with ultraviolet that Stan Meyer talked about.

http://www.electrogravity.com/EnergyPipe/EnergyPipe_Add1.pdf

Sorry to say, Aaron missed the boat on this one. It's the hydrogen.

The water spark plug has absolutely nothing to do with the gray tube. The two coils that someone quoted as being present near the gray tube were just the autoformers used to produce the arc.

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Offline alan

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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2009, 05:56:41 PM »
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That is the principle of sustaining the burn with ultraviolet that Stan Meyer talked about.
Can you pls point out where you saw or heard this?

quarktoo

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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2009, 06:50:18 PM »
Can you pls point out where you saw or heard this?

Most of his lectures Alan. He alludes to it in this one and I think video 7 of the Colorado lectures in better detail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoBbnqcfJWs

All of these water fuel inventions worked the same way  - Puharich, Meyer, Mills. Read and listen to what they are telling you and the terms they use. Hydrogen fracturing - Meyer / hydrogen shattering - Puharich. Reducing the energy state, etc. They all worked the same way and it is hardly a new trick.

Notice Meyer states that his oxygen atom only has 4 electrons? That is some powerful ozone huh?

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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2009, 08:02:20 PM »
I know he talked red laser and leds to energize and 'prime' the gasses, but nowhere have I seen him mention UV, I'll check the video.
Ozone is very probable indeed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ozone-resonance-Lewis-2D.png


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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2009, 08:15:09 PM »
I know he talked red laser and leds to energize and 'prime' the gasses, but nowhere have I seen him mention UV, I'll check the video.
Ozone is very probable indeed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ozone-resonance-Lewis-2D.png

[hmm I think I don't understand the pic above, 1 line is 2 sharing electrons?]

Alan, there is a big difference between making a powerful form of ozone using red LED lasers and sustaining the burn of a sub critical hydrogen explosion.

I seem to recall oxygen having a resonant frequency of 752nm which is red and a part of the air gas processor. Read the patent.

Meyer patented and documented in his notes a hydrogen laser which emits UV light. You can read these things for yourself in his notes and patents.

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CEMF Circuit update.
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2009, 02:00:51 AM »
quarktoo, if H2 to H1 transmutation is useful, it seems to me that it may work to run an SM WFC as the load.

I simplified the circuit. Per Rosemary Ainslie's theory, its the CEMF that brings about ou at the inductive load. A discharging cap causes electrons to travel toward the cap. 2 caps discarging with an inductive load between them causes and electron vacuum at the inductive load. When the 2 caps discharge they create CEMF (Counter Electromotive Force), 2 Electromotive forces working against each other, creating an electron vacuum between them.
The universe abhores a vacuum... how the vacuum is filled is speculation at this point.


quarktoo

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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2009, 01:40:43 PM »
Dogs,

You used a resistive element symbol to describe an inductive load, a switch to indicate both a relay and probably a transistor and your secondary  isn't grounded. Good luck with your theory.


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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2009, 10:37:49 AM »
Thanks quarktoo,

You are right... The load should be inductive, something like a transformer, the secondary coil should connect to the negative of the primary, and the switches should ideally be something like HV HF opto-couplers or IGBTs that are controlled by some oscillators, details, details.

Just a rough idea of the basic concept...

Actually kind of looks like Tesla's patent # US Patent 568,176 Apparatus For Producing Electric Currents Of High Frequency And Potential.

Especially if one were to use the single capacitor variant of the circuit.

quarktoo

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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2009, 08:16:53 PM »
You are glutton for punishment.. A capacitor will not pass a DC current, pulsed or otherwise. You can not charge the cathode of a polarized capacitor from the cathode of a diode.

It has been a few days and I don't care to look at it again but Aaron is or will discover the following:

Capacitors store energy as an electric field and this is "potential energy." (Voltage)

Inductors store energy in the form of a magnetic field and this is the "kinetic energy" in the form of movement of electrons. (current)

So you see that capacitors and inductors are exactly opposite of what they do in a circuit other than the fact that they both store energy.

This is why a capacitor and inductor are necessary to form a resonant tank circuit. The two devices exchange and convert the energy back and forth with very little external energy required. In fact, when capacitive and inductive reactances equal each other, the impedance goes to infinity and a tank circuit draws no current from an AC  source.

The extra energy Aaron thinks he sees is as always, an illusion. Since the capacitor and inductor are exchanging energy back and forth, they produce their own AC current.

I seem to recall reading some where that high frequency AC will repel both poles of a magnet thus giving Aaron the illusion that he has discovered some free energy source while in reality, he is using energy to destroy the energy stored in the magnets for a net sum of less than zero. That also happens to be how much interest I have in his idea.

I know how a gray tube works and posted some info. regarding that. Naudin's example is a well constructed and documented example. Following dissociation of H2, new bonds are probably formed at lower enthalpy and so there is a net loss of energy resulting in an overall exothermic process.

Enjoy your day.
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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2009, 04:32:20 AM »
quarktoo, you are right, my schematic is wrong, the caps would not charge up, so I made a correction (still new to electronics).

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A capacitor will not pass a DC current, pulsed or otherwise

Yes, you are right, but I believe that 2 the capacitors can generate an electron vacuum between them if they both discharge at the same time. It seems to me that a non-polar capacitor essentially becomes a positive mono pole at the moment of discharge. A cap will polarity will have more electron vacuum pulling power on one side (+) than the other.

The idea with the new circuit is that when the NPN is off and the PNP is on, the circuit charges the caps, and when the NPN is on and the PNP is off, the circuit discharges the caps.
It looks similar to a tank circuit so it should have resonant characteristics as well.


quarktoo

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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2009, 04:46:32 AM »
Dogs, yer killin' me here. If you were a defective puppy, I would do the humane thing and drown you in a pail of warm water.

Buy a breadboard and try it. That burning smell will be the result of connecting the gates of a PNP and a NPN transistor together.

If we want a PNP to switch on, we connect the base to ground through a resistor. If we want a NPN to switch on, we tie the base to VCC also through a resistor. We would also bias the base in either case to the opposite charge by a resistor that is 10 times the value of that resistor.

What value are the resistors? Here is a good tutorial on transistors using bipolar transistors.

http://www.rason.org/Projects/transwit/transwit.htm

I am going to unsubscribe from the thread - good luck.

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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2009, 08:53:05 AM »
quarktoo, I'm really not into it for the pain (and you sure can dole it out). But you have good tips (for this newbie), and I appreciate them. Well, if you can stand it! Here we go again (if not, later dude!). I haven't calculated all of the appropriate values for the resistors, but there are known guide lines depending on the transistors used.

I have yet to try it out myself.

Just looked at Bedini's battery charger, interesting how there are some similarities. But he controls his switching with a dual timing chip. And he is not necessarily splitting the positive in order to charge the battery. Curious to see what he has in-store for the public in the future.

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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2009, 07:10:40 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zITqo0uKeaI Dark shot of plasma motor in dark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK-iYOimqCw Murakami-Gray 2 Point Motor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j-gVvNk8zo Positive jumps to positive with common ground

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOhV6WTpx08 Murakami-Gray 3 Point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNE_GOcUDnY Plasma with and without inductor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5VefzlY9sQ Murakami-Gray 3 Point plasma outside of tube

And quarktoo, if you don't understand the similarity between the plasma ignition and the Gray circuit, please limit your posts to threads that are appropriate for your misunderstanding.

 

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