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Author Topic: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works  (Read 31135 times)

Offline qiman

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How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« on: January 29, 2009, 09:45:58 AM »
Watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y0921zaPxQ Gray Tube - How it works.


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How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2009, 09:46:48 AM »


It is definitely not about discharging a HV cap into the tube to get the tube to spit out something special. The tube passes the HV from power source to the cap on the back side of the inductor....then when switch at LV rod is closed, that cap collides with front side HV cap and moves to common ground.

Anyway, this is obviously my opinion but based on experiments...see my vid.

The magnet didn't push away because I had the polarity backwards...coil was tugging magnet to it but you can hear it yanking on the entire bicycle wheel and stand. More later...

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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2009, 10:57:38 AM »
Watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y0921zaPxQ Gray Tube - How it works.



try to use an simply car breaker contacts.
driven mechanical by an electromotor.
use also an car ignition coil.


this will save you (and other) to drive the
transistors (that are also the wrong typ to
do this job !! .Think to use High voltage Diodes
- some fast switching (!) diodes in series to use this
for used KV).
Pese

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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2009, 02:51:01 PM »
Watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y0921zaPxQ Gray Tube - How it works.



Damn illuminati has zapped your video.

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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2009, 03:00:39 PM »
Video works fine here. As for the green flash I know that crooks tube give a green glow due to the excitation of the glass or so they say.

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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2009, 07:21:44 PM »
Video Explanation of How The Gray Tube Works
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y0921zaPxQ

I have a lot of stuff here, but the posts in this thread here have the up to date latest.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3235-gray-tube-replication.html


My explanation appears to be the only thing that is finally consistent with the patents.

Theories aside, it doesn't matter if there is electron cascade, RF or anything else.

What matters at this point is the mechanics of the step-by-step function of what is happening and I believe I have shown it accurately.

Just about everyone, including myself, seems to have believed C1 is discharged into the tube and this causes an outward event that is captured by the grids and that powers the load. This is evidently NOT the case. It is the inverse. John showed electron movement from rods to grids so he knew all along exactly how it worked or what can be taken from his drawings at least that it was C2 that was powering the load.

As it was mentioned, the patent does say that but nobody is doing what the patent says. The "choices" that seem to be of debate were primarily with the diode placement. Was Gray wrong and Bedini right? Bedini has it right and I still have reason to believe this.

The grids are the standing potential of C2 until LV rod is switched. That standing HV electrostatic potential may or may not be polarizing the ambient air in the tube, special gas, etc... All speculation on gases, vacuum, etc... are evidently not required for the effect although it may be necessary to increase the strength of the effect. None of that is known at this time I don't believe. The Grids are the extension of C2 as an extension to the dipole. The potential is already there and doesn't have to get there.

I pointed out in the past but it went unnoticed that even on John's SG's, the positive potential of the battery is ALREADY sitting in the coil. Then when switched on the negative, which it is, it is the negative potential that slams into the coil without resistance...the positive potential doesn't have to encounter resistance entering the coil because it is again, ALREADY sitting there as an extension of the dipole (battery).

The Grids are an extension of C2 and the + potential is ALREADY sitting in the inductive load. It doesn't have to move into it and meet resistance. When LV rod is switched on, some serious negative potential (not necessarily electrons at all - anti-photon potential) moves with negative resistance TO the grids, into the load and into the cap.

I can see now why at higher voltages and higher speeds that inductive load could get covered with ice.

If everyone can see it, the analogy to lightening and how the tube works are not a joke.

Anyway, C1 gets charged as I show...directly from the power supply, over HV rod directly over gap to the GRIDS, through inductor and to C2...that is exactly how C2 is charged.

The C2-cap/Load-inductor, I suppose can be tuned for resonance at whatever frequency the power supply is operating at for maximum efficiency in charging that capacitor. The wire on the Gray motor appears to be pretty large diameter.

Then while C2 is charged up -- the commutator or whatever turns on the switch at the LV ROD gives a low potential path to ground for C2 to discharge to.

If grids are only covering the HV rod, then C2 can't jump directly to LV rod, it must jump to HV rod first forcing a collision into HV + potential of C1, THEN, it jumps to LV rod back to ground.

It is of course very apparent that the power supply + potential is also at the HV rod in addition to whatever charge is in C1...so C2 is colliding with that as well (if and only if the power supply happens to be on a ON cycle at that time).

My grids are almost 1 cm from the rods so they obviously need to be closer if C2 is going to be able to discharge during the OFF cycle of the power supply.

But if the power supply is operating at 6khz for example, then there will almost be a continuous spark from HV rod to Grids for practical purposes and therefore will act as a conductive pathway for C2 to discharge over towards the Grids. If this is the case, then a wider gap beyond the breakdown gap for C2 can be there.

My C2 was discharging as low as about 700 volts over a gap of almost 1 cm from Grids to HV rod and was able to do so only when it met with a HV spark from HV rod to Grid from the power supply.

I believe that it makes the most sense to have the grids only over HV rod and not the whole setup for these reasons of forcing the collision with the HV potential of C1.

I also think that the spacing between HV rod and Grids should be close enough so that the potential in C2 could discharge when LV Rod is switched on all by itself without having to have the power supply on. With keeping the ROD gap the same, there could be a comparison between C2 discharging by itself with close gap or using HV spark form HV rod and compare coil-popping strength...that is the only sure way to know what is best.

The spacing between the HV rod and LV rod should be worked out by having the gap wider and closer and seeing what makes a stronger pop at the coil...that is the only way to know.

So, after all, it is about discharging from the Grids (C2) into the tube and not the other way around.

PDF of this explanation: http://www.esmhome.org/library/edwin_gray/howthegraytubeworks.pdf
« Last Edit: January 29, 2009, 07:45:56 PM by qiman »

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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2009, 12:16:50 AM »
Stupid question: what's a grey tube?

I would guess that the green flashing that your are seeing is due to the copper oxidizing with air in the flash tube.  There's probably water vapor in there.


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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2009, 04:16:58 AM »
Stupid question: what's a grey tube?

It's E.V. Gray's Electrical Conversion Switching Element Tube described in his US patent 4,661,747 and used in his circuit refered to in his other patents. See:
 http://www.google.com/patents?id=8-U4AAAAEBAJ&dq=4661747

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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2009, 12:23:52 PM »
Gray tube is Tesla pancake coil transformer.
Look at modified schematic and ask yourself...

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coil popping demo
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2009, 12:25:11 AM »

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Re: coil popping demo
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2009, 12:47:22 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azfxP9lBAao

I watched that one earlier today. How well does the wheel move when the magnets and coil are arranged with the wheel such that the forces are more tangential instead of radial? Also, this was all with the spark plug (and your DC/static circuit of course) and no gray tube, right? In any case, very cool.
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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2009, 06:51:12 AM »
Hi

Do you think that this is also the secret of the Swiss Testatika, using static electricity colliding with DC current?

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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2009, 09:49:02 AM »
Let me quote something and you will see that static electricity is not only ions but Ghz oscillation...

"I attacked vigorously the development of my magnifying transmitter, now, however, not so much with the original intention of producing one of great power, as with the object of learning how to construct the best one. This is, essentially, a circuit of very high self-induction and small resistance which in its arrangement, mode of excitation and action, may be said to be the diametrical opposite of a transmitting circuit typical of
telegraphy by Hertzian or electromagnetic radiations. It is difficult to form an adequate idea of the marvelous power of this unique appliance, by the aid of which the globe will be transformed. The electromagnetic radiations being reduced to an insignificant quantity, and proper conditions of resonance maintained, the circuit acts like an immense pendulum, storing indefinitely the energy of the primary exciting impulses and impressions upon the earth and its conducting atmosphere uniform harmonic oscillations of intensities which, as actual tests have shown, may be pushed so far as to surpass those attained in the
natural displays of static electricity."

Nikola Tesla

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Re: How the Gray Tube Circuit Works
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2009, 11:26:31 AM »
The permanent magnets don't work too well because they are so weak, there is hardly any magnetic field left to them. So the coil hardly had anything to push against. Only the rectangle magnets had some strength even though they're beat down but the shape is wrong for the core. Need to try with round neos. For real torque, would still use radial but the rotor should be more hotdog shaped so long magnets the same size or opposing coil. Magnets obviously being the easier one to build for starters. And, Marvin Cole may have had permanent magnets originally and not the opposing coils that Gray was using.

The speed of Gray's power supply has 6khz.

Also, I have done this exact same thing with the tube and it works the same. Just much quieter.

 

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