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poynt99

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Re: Panacea-BOCAF 2nd MRA replication -COP =8
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2009, 04:05:23 PM »
Brilliant Sterfan ;)

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Re: Panacea-BOCAF 2nd MRA replication -COP =8
« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2009, 03:42:43 AM »
Hi poynt99 and Stefan.

Thanks Stefan, ill add into the PDF for all.

@poynt99 this could be right, i do know that our windings were different to Norms (Trafo) so this this is why we get different output puts. Now your driver circuit will be put to good use, Norm is now kindly sending us the original MRA magnet which was used in the patent application and i am told can reach 40 watts ,(256-1 OU). So lets use your driver circuit loop it back. Or with a 40 watt out, we should be able to at least get a DC audio amplifier input reading.

Ash

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Re: Panacea-BOCAF 2nd MRA replication -COP =8
« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2009, 06:47:20 AM »
Ash,

Here's the "Simple Cheap Low Power Oscillators v1.0.pdf" design so far. Let me know if there is anything that you would like changed to better suit your needs.

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http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item221

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Re: Panacea-BOCAF 2nd MRA replication -COP =8
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2009, 07:34:42 AM »
poynt99 outstanding man. We are not going to waste any time with this, will get onto it right away, we will keep the original MRA from the video for your driver circuit until we get it right, we are in in this for the long haul to deliver an open source device to all before this financial crash deviates most.

Will send over your Q's and circuit to Norm/Joel and the EVGRAY forums, thanks also to Stefan will get second opinions on it, this is what the OU forum should be , and is at its best.
I am glad to see this caliber of R and D here. Thank you gentlemen, We will try and prepare sources for the piezo for all to replicate with the results of the new magnet (40 watt out put estimated).

poynt99, this looks like a great start, well done and thanks so much man. Results will be posted. Thanks again poynt99, great document, will up date the course for all.

Ash

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Re: Panacea-BOCAF 2nd MRA replication -COP =8
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2009, 10:41:46 AM »
Guys just got this in from Norm

"Hi!  Ash:    Your "Soccer Ball"  MRA core is in the mail so you should have it in about 10 days.
The piezo elements that you are using have a natural freq of 32khz, and a power handling capability
of 150 watts with up to 90V input.   We had no problem of driving the piezo with a power amp
that  has a 70V output. (paging amp) When trying to drive this piezo in a series resonant circuit at
high power you will know when you have a miss match of L and C for the piezo will go into a high
pitch squeal that will pierce your ears.  Just like Hectors squealing pig description.  You have to back
off your power and condition the circuit (warm up) for about 30 minutes to an hour before going to
high power.  Remember the MRA will not perform if the elements in the circuit are cold.  The MRA
is realy weird for it seems to self tune if allowed to settle in and achieve ambient room temperature
of around 70 degrees.  Please observe the fact that a finely tuned MRA circuit when operating under
high power will build a "standing wave" or as Joel describes it as a "columar wave" that if caused to
suddenly colaspe will manifest a hugh pulse out of the ground side of the electrical circuit.  This pulse
has many times destroyed light bulbs that were not even turned on at the time.  The colaspe of this wave
can occur if you unload the secondary side of the circuit while under high power input.  There is a hugh
amount of reflected energy that has no place to go except back into the primary and causes the piezo
element to react with this spike energy.  Under the right conditions Joel and I have measured over
1000V oscillation between the piezo and the primary magnet winding while being driven with about
80VAC at the driving freq,  23.75khz as in the case of  the "Soccer Ball" .  Remember that the spike
will be from the ground side of the circuit into the neutral buss that you have your test equipment and
driving amp and signal generator plugged into.  Joel and I have destroyed lots of good equipment and
amps because of this phenomenon, so be careful.  Please refer to my article titled "Neutral Spike" to
get and understanding as to the power of this "negative electricity" that causes hugh current over very
small conductors and is described as "cold current" or radiant energy.
Thanks,    Norm"

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Re: Panacea-BOCAF 2nd MRA replication -COP =8
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2009, 08:27:16 AM »
Update for the "Simple Cheap Low Power Oscillators v1.1.pdf" document.

Added Appendix 1 - Closing the Loop (is COP>1?) section with simple setup diagram.
Added current consumption spec.


http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item240

Regards,
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Re: Panacea-BOCAF 2nd MRA replication -COP =8
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2009, 02:31:06 AM »
Thx mate!! updating the PDF now.

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Re: Panacea-BOCAF 2nd MRA replication -COP =8
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2009, 01:19:15 PM »
Major update for the Simple Cheap Low Power Oscillators V2.0 document.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item247

Color schematics, two sine wave generators added, updated text and formatting.

Regards,
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PS. Keep up to date with latest document links in my signature and at this new topic here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6888.0;topicseen

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Re: Panacea-BOCAF 2nd MRA replication -COP =8
« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2009, 02:45:46 AM »
Brilliant Doc!!!, Thanks  a lot my friend. We got the circuit working, we made the circuit so we can chop and change, i think your circuit will run the high power MRA, will be wound soon, you were right, it does not take a lot to run the circuit ;), great job man!!, the tricky part may be tuning it when looped, ill show you an interesting anomaly soon, we fired up the circuit and there was a huge surge when we tried to loop with 4 LEDS, (sweet spot?). You will have to see this to believe it,  our meters went  really weird, ill show you what happened will make a short 3G video of the circuit soon.

Guys,  poynt's circuits work AND they work well, this is a great start for the MRA research, poynt thanks a lot man.
Here is the version one, cant wait to update to two, circuit lit up the 20 LEDS
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rimg0076.jpg

Ash

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Re: Panacea-BOCAF 2nd MRA replication -COP =8
« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2009, 01:04:03 AM »
Thanks Ash.

Next project is a nice one, and one that every electrical FE researcher should have.... a proper COP meter ;) This one will cast away all power measurement doubts for good.

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Re: Panacea-BOCAF 2nd MRA replication -COP =8
« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2009, 08:18:55 AM »
BIG MRA wound now
http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rimg0080.jpg

Guys Poynt 99 is also doing a COP watt meter circuit that will added to the
Simple cheap oscillator circuit in the MRA course on the panacea university
site.(current version 2 PDF is in the MRA course there)

We just need to build the sine driver circuit(listed in there) and can run this
on a 9Volt battery. If working ill send one up to Norm to confer results.

From poynt99

"Loopback should work fine as a "hidden" measuring tool, but don't expect
accurate AC measurements with cheapo meters (especially at 30-40kHz), and by
inserting them in series with a reactive circuit.
More on this later when you see my Watt/Joule/COP meter design and document."
-END


Ash

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Re: Panacea-BOCAF 2nd MRA replication -COP =8
« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2009, 02:50:33 PM »
Dear Ash,

  Why don't we make self runner system with a battery and add a fluorescent lamp to run forever? You can measure the battery voltage and prove OU easily.

   Dr. Stifller already presented a very simple generator. Like Collpitts oscillator. You can fix its frequency via R and L values.

   On the secondary side you convert electricity back to DC and load with a Resistor and show online DC measurements...

  Here is the circuit  http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/megv21.htm.. You can have full AC signal..

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« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2009, 01:01:58 AM »
Hi samedsoft thanks for the suggestion :), ATM we are building specific circuits that go into the MRA , poynt's circuits work well :)
But if i can get a picture on what your saying we will build and test your circuit for the new bigger windings.

Can you adapt Dr. Stifller  simple generator AND/or Like Collpitts oscillator onto the MRA?. That link went to the MEG are you talking about just adding the Circuit onto the MEG/.
sorry for being slow man. If you could give me more detial ill add it to the PDF and we can get to building after poynts new COP circuit and AC sine driver.

Ash

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Re: Panacea-BOCAF 2nd MRA replication -COP =8
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2009, 01:37:16 AM »
Ash

Having Poynt 99 on your team ,makes it a DREAM TEAM [The man is a HERO of this community]

God speed

Chet

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Re: Panacea-BOCAF 2nd MRA replication -COP =8
« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2009, 01:45:12 AM »
ramset, looks like his COP circuit will give all open source engineers the edge, the idea is to get this measured in EVERY ONES language and get it open sourced.
You can thank poynt for it if it happens not me :)

I agree 100% my friend ;).

Ash