Author Topic: Panacea-BOCAF 2nd MRA replication -COP =8 (Read 22110 times)

ashtweth_nihilisti · « **on:** January 28, 2009, 02:16:43 AM »

This one has got more info and data to support Norm and Joel's patent suppression case, as well as a nice COP of 8. If you are able to contribute to helping this situation please contact us.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8020205776562649310&hl=en

Ash

poynt99 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 28, 2009, 03:43:08 AM »

In response to the request for ideas on getting a DC IN incorporated into the MRA design, here's one:

Build up a variable sine wave oscillator using a XR2206 or 8038 in the range of frequency that you need and run it off a rechargeable 9V battery. Use the rectified output to keep the battery charged, and funnel the rest of the power to light some LED's.

If the MRA really is running with a COP>1 then the LED's should illuminate for years.

.99

ashtweth_nihilisti · « **Reply #2 on:** January 28, 2009, 04:11:15 AM »

poynt99, i cannot believe it, a constructive non skeptical post, thank you for your insights, ill pass that onto Norman Wooten, ill try and build it, if any ones sends us the stuff its quicker and we can get it tested for all, its all open source.

We need some thing that you can adjust the duty cycle and frequency and not mess around with putting each other out..Thanks man, ill do my best to build, if you do or ANY ONE, send it to me ill post my results for all.The FE community needs to work together to get info out to capacity, that's what panacea is all about , every one working in the same place. OPEN SOURCE, NON PROFIT.
they cannot stop us then.poynt99 thanks again for your contribution.

Sincerely from me ASH

poynt99 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 28, 2009, 08:37:50 PM »

It seems the XR2206 and ICL8038 are either extremely difficult to find or very expensive, which makes them a bad choice for sine generators.

Does the drive need to be sine wave?

It would sure simplify things if a triangle or square wave would do the job.

Could you test with your generator set to square wave instead of sine and see if the results are similar?

.99

ashtweth_nihilisti · « **Reply #4 on:** January 29, 2009, 12:07:10 AM »

Hi poynt99, No prob will do some square/Sine runs.

Ash

hartiberlin · « **Reply #5 on:** January 29, 2009, 01:44:59 AM »

Sounds and looks great ASH.

Does the transformer has to have the same resonance frequency as the
Barium-Titanate Transducer ?
So do you need to tune the stray capacitance of the transformer for this reason
with the help of an external capacitance ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

ashtweth_nihilisti · « **Reply #6 on:** January 29, 2009, 01:58:49 AM »

Hi Stefan and all.

Sorry i forgot to include the research course from the panacea university site, that has all the info about the resonant frequency and the 3 octaves.
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/
Magnetic Resonant Amplifier - Joel McClain & Norman Wootan (PDF) - updated December 5 2008 . With low-level ultrasonic input signals, the Magnetic Resonance Amplifier (MRA) produces usable direct current power at levels above unity. This circuit is based upon the work and theories of John Ernst Worrell Keely, and is offered into the public domain in his memory.
Panacea-BOCAF reference page.

Guys take a look at this paper, it has all the info you need about the resonant frequencies and ranges

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Let me know if any probs.

Ash

hartiberlin · « **Reply #7 on:** January 29, 2009, 02:58:09 AM »

Hi Ash,
please read the article by Earth Tech Institute and their measurements.

http://www.earthtech.org/experiments/mra/mra.txt

What do you think they made wrong in their testing ?

This report killed the MRA in 1995.

I still remember it pretty well as it was discussed heavily on the
yahoogroups at this time with JL. Naudin and a few others too.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

ashtweth_nihilisti · « **Reply #8 on:** January 29, 2009, 03:05:31 AM »

Stefan, it is not my policy to discuss skepticism with out a trusted source building it,, it leads to a lot of time wasting hence why i am not frequent here on the forum.As i know your self, ill give you the opinion of it, from Joel himself , in an email to me, i do not intend to discuss those reports or skepticism, only perform R and D.
This is the reason why the last MRA thread died here before.

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"As for Hal, at this point and considering his age, I really just pity him. I'm not sure that he ever really understood how the MRA works, despite all of the information available from us at no cost. Until one has a firm grasp of sacred geometry, one really does not know how anything works, least of all a device which uses the nonlinear indeterminant but universal constants to entrain harmonic energy. I've found that people either understand it immediately and intuitively, or never"-Joel.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #9 on:** January 29, 2009, 03:11:00 AM »

Hi Ash,
did you use a big capacitor after the graetz bridge ?
Probably not , right ?

This would be much better to measure just a DC Voltage at this point
to not to jam the digital meter as the bridge rectified about 30 khz
wave has a lot of harmonics which the digital meter would probably
not show correctly...

Well, the 20 LEDs donÂ´t look as bright as if they would use up 0.6 Watts of power...
That would probably be much brighter at this power level...

Do you have a scope to check for the waveforms and amplitudes ?

You should really measure this very exactly.
Many thanks in advance.

Regards, Stefan.

ashtweth_nihilisti · « **Reply #10 on:** January 29, 2009, 03:21:58 AM »

Stefan we are fully aware of what we need to do next. This is a progression of research and measurements.

As for yourself, i suggest you get the same LEDS and SAME signal generator, you will only light up 6 LEDS
The 20 we lit up were bright enough, i know from being there. I will not be answering these posts again.
I suggest you follow the PDF.

Ash

hartiberlin · « **Reply #11 on:** January 29, 2009, 03:54:00 AM »

Hi Ash,
many thanks.
I have now read the PDF file from:
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Magnetic%20Resonant%20Amplifier.pdf

So you have used pretty old LEDs, right ?
Okay, that might then fit with the output LED power ratings.

Would be nice to see some scopeshots in a new video.

Does it really need this BariumTitanate speaker or
is a Silver cap or a piezo from
a piezo horn speaker also good to do the job ?

Would be nice, if you could scale up the power
level and do it all with DC voltage measurements at the input and at the output.

Many thanks in advance.

Keep up the good work.

Regards, Stefan.

ashtweth_nihilisti · « **Reply #12 on:** January 29, 2009, 04:14:21 AM »

Hi Stefan,

if you read the PDF you can see the exact part number and LED we used, they are not old ones.I cannot comment on other piezos as we have only tested the ones provided to us by Norm and Joel.
We are not able to find off the shelf parts at this time sadly, this is why we need more staff and volunteers to help. As we stated on the video, we intend on a re wind and the analog DC in and out.

Ash

poynt99 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 29, 2009, 04:23:49 AM »

From the document, Norm said he was trying to make a DC powered generator with CMOS gates. This would have been a square wave oscillator, so I suspect this should work also. I wonder if he had any success with this oscillator, and if not why?

This would be a straight-forward circuit to design, especially if only 80mW was required from it to drive the MRA.

.99

ashtweth_nihilisti · « **Reply #14 on:** January 29, 2009, 04:31:11 AM »

Hi poynt99

Norm has not been able to build one yet, i think the CMOS gate driver was a suggestion we got for another forum. Thing is you have to make it so the duty cycle does not change when you adjust the frequency. Perhaps you could design these circuits and post? don't worry if those thing are expensive, I think we did get it working on a square wave, will confirm in a few hours.

Ash

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