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Author Topic: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)  (Read 90578 times)

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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2009, 07:22:13 AM »
Silver is the most conductive material known to man. Where losses due to resistance were critical, silver wires, or silver plated wires were used instead of copper, in applications such as coils in detector circuits where we are dealing with very small currents.

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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2009, 09:13:57 AM »
Hi All
In regards to silver wire:
Towards the end of WWII, copper was so rare, actually some airplanes were built using solid silver wires.  It would then make it natural that they would have some silver wire on hand to repair damaged airplanes.  If copper wire were available, I am sure they would have used that instead.

Salvage companies in the know, had the serial numbers of the airplanes that had silver wire.  They would bid for the salvage rights knowing the secret of silver wires inside.

My feeling is that silver wire was used because of the lack of copper wire.  No other reason.

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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2009, 09:32:57 AM »
HI Michelinho

Nice build.  You don't say, but I would suggest you try and get the natural self resonance of the circuits to be around 175Khz to 180Khz.  Maybe you could induce the output of a signal generator and sweep through the frequencies?  You want the highest output readings to be around 180Khz or so.  It could be that physical parameters of your setup is not allowing self resonance to be near that frequency?  Once it is tuned to 180Khz, unhook the signal generator and see if you output is higher than what you currently get?

Just an idea.

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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2009, 09:42:19 AM »
Hi All
In regards to silver wire:
Towards the end of WWII, copper was so rare, actually some airplanes were built using solid silver wires.  It would then make it natural that they would have some silver wire on hand to repair damaged airplanes.  If copper wire were available, I am sure they would have used that instead.

Salvage companies in the know, had the serial numbers of the airplanes that had silver wire.  They would bid for the salvage rights knowing the secret of silver wires inside.

My feeling is that silver wire was used because of the lack of copper wire.  No other reason.

Tishatang

I doubt that the reason for using silver was a shortage of copper. The common substitute for copper wire in war time was aluminium. If they used silver wire in the planes it was for reasons other than unavailability of copper. Silver in wartime as well as in peacetime is a lot scarcer.

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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2009, 10:17:28 AM »

Hi all,

As for the aluminium wire, it is not recomended for use where there is lots of vibrations because it breaks it is also not to be used near salt water. So it could be why the use of silver which was plentiful after cleaning out Europe for precious metal and ware.

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HI Michelinho

Nice build.  You don't say, but I would suggest you try and get the natural self resonance of the circuits to be around 175Khz to 180Khz.  Maybe you could induce the output of a signal generator and sweep through the frequencies?  You want the highest output readings to be around 180Khz or so.  It could be that physical parameters of your setup is not allowing self resonance to be near that frequency?  Once it is tuned to 180Khz, unhook the signal generator and see if you output is higher than what you currently get?

Just an idea.

Tishatang

Thanks. That is what is said in the British papers and by Aspen also, 179-180 Khz. My signal generator is for audio tests and only goes to 20 Khz so I have to wait for my son-in-law to bring his, meanwhile, I'll do new magnets with a different shape and higher magnetic flux for more tests.

Take care,

Michel




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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2009, 01:04:30 PM »


You can use ELOXAL WIRE (if you need Alu)
Electric oxidated Aluminium , IS so fully electric an chemical ISOLATED !!

(See your kitchen aluminium pots enz)
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- 150khz  such frequencies you can surge out from an
LW cheap transistor radio (used in europe) US i dont know)
the variable Oszillator frequency of this you can simply amplify wth 2 or 3 transitors to
drive some devices.
Also such receivers can use very easy as "controlling monitor" to explore
if your experimenting devices are deliver or transmitting RF (radio frequencies
Good look
G.Pese

Hi all,

As for the aluminium wire, it is not recomended for use where there is lots of vibrations because it breaks it is also not to be used near salt water. So it could be why the use of silver which was plentiful after cleaning out Europe for precious metal and ware.

Thanks. That is what is said in the British papers and by Aspen also, 179-180 Khz. My signal generator is for audio tests and only goes to 20 Khz so I have to wait for my son-in-law to bring his, meanwhile, I'll do new magnets with a different shape and higher magnetic flux for more tests.

Take care,

Michel





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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2009, 03:42:38 PM »
@Michelinho. My first thoughts were that you had made a galvanic battery where the copper wires join the iron magnets. But if it only works when properly adjusted, then this is not the case. As I recall, there are no diodes in the circuit, so the energy is not from local radio transmitters. It is not going to win any prizes as it stands, but the energy, however small, has to come from somewhere. You are like a man in a strange country who has found a tiny grain of gold. Dont give up, keep searching for the mother Lode. Please share any construction details which were ambiguous in the original plan, e,g, dimensions of transformer, wire size, number of turns etc, anything that will help other replications.
     Further to what PESE said, A radio receiver could help here. The frequency of 179 -180 kHz, falls in the old longwave band, If we call it 200 kHz, that is equal to a wavelength of 1500 metres. That is used in the UK for BBC radio 4 , or it used to be. So with the magnetstrom apparat working. tune across the long wave band, and listen for a "plop" noise as you pass over the frequency at which it operates, Your radio dial will tell you the frequency, or wavelength. use the formula 300 divided by wavelength in metres = frequency in MHz.

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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2009, 06:50:47 PM »
I have just re-read the original report. It says that Coler agreed to build a small model of the aparatus. The highest voltage obtained was 0.45 volts. Twelve volts is also mentioned, but this may have been on a larger version he had built years earlier. We must not underestimate the time nesessary to adjust it, we are talkind days here. The ultimate answer would be a machine to uatomatically make the adjustments and record the output. His larger device with the 6kw output would obviously be more worthwhile, but the details we have are vague at best. Even if no further advance is made, I have to say congratulations on a brilliant replication

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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2009, 08:00:31 AM »


Thanks neptune.

I've made new iron magnets which are a little larger and stronger. 11/16" diam X 4" long cylindrical shape. We will check them tomorrow with the Gauss meter and sort them out. The closest match  in magnetic flux strength together for the push-pull stage I-III and IV-VI.

Then new coil setup. Still copper magnet wire since my thumb is still acting after winding a big Stubblefield cell's iron wires. The present coils were coiled with 25 feet of awg 20 intercom solid copper wire ( from an old spool of 18 wires intercom cable ) including the external wires. The new ones will get much more wire, probably 60-70 feet each. I'll make new wood supports so I'll swap setup if need be.

Since the coils are identical, I'll try different capacitors. 

I don't know who called it "Free Energy". I'm always working on one thing or another.


Take care,

Michel


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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2009, 07:26:03 PM »
This is getting interesting.I am planning to replicate this myself.One problem is knowing what iron or steel to use for the magnets. Ordinary mild steel is probably unsuitable, as it it has low retentivity. I wonder if the physical hardness of steel has any relationship to its retentivity? In the old days, magnets were made of alloys like Alnico, etc. Without having a foundry, we are restricted to modifying off the shelf components. Would high tensile steel bolts work? A voice from my subconscious keeps shouting Silver Steel as used in model engineering, but I don't Know. Coler may have used alnico or similar. What are you using Michelinho? Any suggestions welcome. I am also wracking my brain for a simple mechanism to adjust all the magnets at the same time.

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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2009, 12:37:20 AM »

Hi neptune,

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This is getting interesting.I am planning to replicate this myself.One problem is knowing what iron or steel to use for the magnets. Ordinary mild steel is probably unsuitable, as it it has low retentivity. I wonder if the physical hardness of steel has any relationship to its retentivity? In the old days, magnets were made of alloys like Alnico, etc. Without having a foundry, we are restricted to modifying off the shelf components. Would high tensile steel bolts work? A voice from my subconscious keeps shouting Silver Steel as used in model engineering, but I don't Know. Coler may have used alnico or similar. What are you using Michelinho? Any suggestions welcome. I am also wracking my brain for a simple mechanism to adjust all the magnets at the same time.

My first magnets were made with 1/2" X 1/2" X 4" iron, they had very low magnetic retention. I had to use ceramic or neodynium at one end or both ends depending on tests but the higher output was without booster magnets. Strange...

I tried to magnetize grade 8 bolts and the magnetic retention was better than my first iron magnets. The new magnets use carbon steel and after they were magnetized their field was at 78 Gauss on the south pole and 58 Gauss on the North pole. Not strong but about 10 times better than the old ones and the field strength did not drop after a few hours. One magnet is strong enough to lift another high carbon steel magnet.

So next week I'll wind the coils and restart the tests.

Take care,

Michel


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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2009, 07:16:22 PM »
@Michelinho. Please do not destroy your present device, remember it is the first recorded working device for about 55 years. Since we have no idea how it works, it is difficult to try to understand the circuit. People, including me, keep on about this frequency of around 180KHz. If this is relevant, we would be looking for a tuned LC circuit. I would be interested as to what value of capacitors you used, If this tuned circuit exists, and we could identify which of the components form it, we could test its resonant frequency by using a dip meter aka grid dip oscillator. From experience as a Radio Amateur, looking at the coils in the circuit, I would guess at a frequency of say 10 to 30 MHz. Anyone who ever built a long wave crystal set will agree there are nowhere near enough turns of wire here for 180KHz. Maybe the magnets change everything? Who can say, as we don't know how it works. What we need are more opinions and input. If I am wrong Tell me.

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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2009, 07:46:24 PM »
Hi neptune,

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@Michelinho. Please do not destroy your present device, remember it is the first recorded working device for about 55 years.

I am not destroying the old setup, I will make new magnet holders and simply replace them with the new ones. I keep the old ones intact for further testing.

About the Tuning Coils:

Outer tube: 3 1/2" X 8"
Inner Tube: 3 1/4" X 10"
Magnet wire used: AWG 18
Number of turns on the Outer Coil: 150 turns ~0.9 ohm
Number of turns on the Inner Coil: 170 turns ~0.9 ohm


My son-in-law came yesterday with his Gauss meter and we tested many options. One strange effect we saw that has nothing to do with the magnetstromapparatus and may be applicable or not to a new setup for generating electricity:
Take a "U" magnet and place a neodymium magnet on one pole (serial polarity). Place the keeper on the neodymium magnet like the illustration and turn the keeper... See what happens. (You can wind a coil on the keeper or on the free "U" magnet leg for fun ).

Take care,

Michel


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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2009, 09:52:15 PM »
I have just re-read the original report. It says that Coler agreed to build a small model of the aparatus. The highest voltage obtained was 0.45 volts. Twelve volts is also mentioned, but this may have been on a larger version he had built years earlier. We must not underestimate the time nesessary to adjust it, we are talkind days here. The ultimate answer would be a machine to uatomatically make the adjustments and record the output. His larger device with the 6kw output would obviously be more worthwhile, but the details we have are vague at best. Even if no further advance is made, I have to say congratulations on a brilliant replication

Hi,

sorry for just poppin' in, but may I ask if the distance of the coils is a
major part of the time cosuming adjustments?
In the original setup, i do see the 6-legged "spider" with the long holes and screws in it.
There is a mechanical solution to move all of them in and out synchronously.
Is that something, what could help here?

best,
sushi

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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2009, 10:33:55 PM »
Hi,

sorry for just poppin' in, but may I ask if the distance of the coils is a
major part of the time cosuming adjustments?
In the original setup, i do see the 6-legged "spider" with the long holes and screws in it.
There is a mechanical solution to move all of them in and out synchronously.
Is that something, what could help here?

best,
sushi

Hi sushi moto,

Yes the whole process is time consuming as it is the only thing that will show peak output. It could be done with step motors or linear motors and gears or strap with a programmable chip that would pause and compare various settings position vs electrical output. The tuning has to be done with magnet positioning first and then different tuning coil settings for each magnet movement.

But that would take part of the fun out.  ;)

Take care,

Michel