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Author Topic: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)  (Read 82172 times)

Offline Michelinho

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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #45 on: March 23, 2009, 05:40:42 PM »

Hi everyone,

Here is a picture of one setup I am currently testing, I don't expect much improvement since all the magnets are not the same size and strength and not touching the iron bars. 2 of those were from old phone generator system.

Today I plan on making the coil winder setup for the new magnets and after the coils are done, a new series of tests.

* Those who are in need of magnet wire, there are some nice ones in computer monitors, the degaussing coils. (Looks like AWG 26 or 28)

Take care all,

Michel

@ Hans,

The article was only for general info. Germany was just as bad after WW1 because of the Versailles Treaty. So the general public probably used those wires for a good while. As for Captain Hans Kohler, I am sure he had special privilege because of his status.

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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #46 on: March 23, 2009, 08:56:14 PM »
Guys just my 2 cents worth on this..the older magnets uses to produce a lot of "Barkhausen noise". 
Colers configuration may have been arranged to series add this internal noise from one magnet into the next. By winding and connecting, he might have been able to "bring into phase the frequency components" to produce a coherent output voltage. 

With toroidal structure I think output can be DC whilst inducing currents are DC.

Good luck.

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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #47 on: March 23, 2009, 10:28:15 PM »
Guys just my 2 cents worth on this..the older magnets uses to produce a lot of "Barkhausen noise". 
Colers configuration may have been arranged to series add this internal noise from one magnet into the next. By winding and connecting, he might have been able to "bring into phase the frequency components" to produce a coherent output voltage. 

With toroidal structure I think output can be DC whilst inducing currents are DC.

Good luck.

When I started this project, I came across references to the Barkhausen effect, so naturally I did a little reading on the subject. Lucky for us we now have oscilloscopes. It does help in tuning and signal analysis.

Work on this might just get done a lot faster, I have a new helper. Meet Sophie.

Take care,

Michel


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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #47 on: March 23, 2009, 10:28:15 PM »
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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #48 on: March 24, 2009, 01:59:03 AM »
In the Coler circuit, the meter depicted at the top could in fact be the circuit shown at bottom right of the diagram.
Where U represents the actual Coler device.
 
It seems to be a big positive feedback loop circuit, where the signal arriving at the inductor (as part of the meter circuit) would likely be 180 degrees out of phase at each side.  So if signal passes thru a certain number of magnet coil assemblies on it's way, there's a certain phase delay occurs at each magnet coil unit (eg if there were 3 magnet coil assemblies to pass thru it's likely that there's a phase shift of  180/3 = 60 degrees shift each at the predominatnt freq.

This way also, a signal travelling right around the loop arrives back at any magnet in phase again to push the oscillation/noise at the right time to enhance it.
Wondering if there's Iron wire used for coil wraps around magnets as it could be the BH hysteresis curve of the wire which saturates & finally collapses giving current pulses?

Probably need's a low freq. Spectrum Analyser to see the main fundamental if any, sticking up out of the noise level. 

Apologies for speculation.

 

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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #49 on: March 24, 2009, 02:45:15 AM »

Hi smokey,

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Apologies for speculation.

No apologies needed since I am too speculating a lot still.  :)

The first 2 magnets/coils of each phase could be working in a push/pull configuration and the third magnet/coil rectifying the output signal. The last schematic Rys.4 on the diagram is if I read correctly the British papers a test apparatus.

I will have 3 setups to test and compare; the present one, the other will use similar magnets but bigger and more powerful with bigger coils (probably bifilar), I just finish the coil winder for those. The last setup made up of 6 "U" magnets with coils (bifilar) on each side. I may try a variant if I get higher output and that might take the shape of Ed. Leedskalnin Permanent Magnetic Holders in an hexagonal formation with an additional bifilar coil on the keeper.

Don't stop speculating, it may hold the answer, we never know what the brain can output facing an elusive problem.

Take care,

Michel


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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #49 on: March 24, 2009, 02:45:15 AM »
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Re: Captain Hans Coler (Kohler) Magnetstromapparat (Magnet Power Apparatus)
« Reply #50 on: March 28, 2009, 02:51:09 AM »

@ Hans,

The article was only for general info. Germany was just as bad after WW1 because of the Versailles Treaty. So the general public probably used those wires for a good while. As for Captain Hans Kohler, I am sure he had special privilege because of his status.

G'day Michel,

I don't know what the copper situation was just after WW1, a bit before my time. If WW2 is any indication though, and this is from experience because I was there, there was an enormous surplus of copper and zinc as every man and his dog went around the countryside collecting spent cartridges, including me. The stuff was lying around everywhere. The scrap yards had mountains of the stuff. This went on for some years until there was no more left to collect.

Just a bit of wartime trivia :-)

Hans von Lieven

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Hi all,
I'm very interested in Michelinho's reproduction of the cohler device and wanted to contact him regarding it.
I am currently trying to replicate one myself and obviously given his success i wanted to compare notes and receive any suggestions he might have.
I tried to PM him but it seems this function is not working at the moment and on researching a bit more it seems he has quit the site?
If anyone can help reach him I would be very grateful!
Thank you,
Giuseppe

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Offline gauschor

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I have found a post in the hcrs-forum which said, that he has found out that at the time Mr. Coler constructed his device one of the biggest radio stations of the world was constructed in a country next to germany.
I'm sure you remember all that Coler said that he believed that the power came from the magnets and that magnetism is a frequency of about 180Khz.

Now guess what... the radio station sent with a frequency of ~174 Khz and therefore I also think it is very likely that Coler made some kind of receiver only.

Btw. Coler is not the only guy who made a mistake... e.g. take Roy Meyers - he fell into the same trap thinking he could get energy out from the air. If you really want to dig into this now I wish you good luck.

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Hi again,
thanks for that info...could you give me some references for it?
Also if that is the case why would Michelinho's device work as he reported? And why would the cohler device have worked as described in the report...?
In any case, even if what you say where the answer, it would seem to still be worth investigating regardless as it still would seem to be something not properly researched or documented.
G.

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Offline gauschor

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Sorry I don't know of Michelinos device, so I can say nothing about it. But here is the post from the forum I found claiming that about the radio station (is in german, sorry) http://forum.hcrs.at/viewtopic.php?p=8509&sid=d67659a47abe85d49745b41df65431af#8509

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I thought you would have read the posts on this thread given your reply. I see that is not the case.
I wonder why you felt the need to try to "debunk" Michelinho's device without even reading the thread on which this conversation lies?
I thought open-mindedness here was the general rule given we are all looking at stuff on the edge of commonly taught science.
In any case, as I said, even if the Cohler device produced power from radio-frequencies, that in itself would be quite worthy of investigation so the point is moot.

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Offline gauschor

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No it wouldn't be useful, because it is known it has happened before, that people who lived next to radio stations were able to power lights of their garden houses. This action caused an absorption of power from the station and other people got worse radio reception, therefore it is forbidden to do such things now which is quite understandable.
You can try it yourself... take a long wire, put it in the air, some meters up and measure the voltage between ground and the antenna and you will most likely see some milliVolts. It is likely that this "antenna" can be optimized.

I have skimmed now over the previous posts and find nothing worth to  mention: 0.011 Volts was the result. I have tried this thing as well and get the same result, sometimes (with a 3meter wire 5meters up in the air hanging around) I got 100milliVolts. I am sure with some amount you could build a LED lamp or something like that, which is interesting.

... but in fact it is not free energy or overunity at all. If the stations are closed, your power will also be off. Therefore not so good idea. Also you should recall that some dozens years ago the radio stations were transmitting with a strong and "dirty" frequency however since cleaning up these frequencies you won't get that huge power anymore people like Koler or Meyers or Moray claimed 60 years ago...

Offline leo48

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180Kz frequency is very close to the nuclear resonance frequency of iron and the magnet
aligned core  we only build a resonant circuit at the right frequency.!
leo48
« Last Edit: May 12, 2010, 10:46:20 PM by leo48 »

Offline gauschor

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If it were that easy: wind a transformer coil around a magnet, pulse the input wires with an oscillator by a frequency of 180khz, check the output and you are done. I would be happy if you are successful.

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That's the theory but then put it into practice is another thing
Leo48

 

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