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Author Topic: Mistery Metal?  (Read 7296 times)

Offline Toadsta

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Re: Mistery Metal?
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2009, 11:35:10 PM »
Yes i have seen this b4. The only problem for me is i do not have the resources to produce this. I was kinda looking for something that an everyday kinda average joe like myself can get his/her hands on. Perhaps if the formula had precise measurements and that of the sort. Or I have been studying magnet charecteristics when u use steel/iron to minipulate the magnetic fields but they all end up putting me back to the same place.

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Re: Mistery Metal?
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2009, 11:35:10 PM »

Offline Koen1

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Re: Mistery Metal?
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2009, 02:36:56 PM »
OKOK. I think i get the facts of "shielding". To move onto my next question.
Ok, moving on. :)
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The OC MPMM. Is this a hoax?
The what? OC MPMM? Links?

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Why isnt the world working on free energy if it is not? Government problems? lol jkjk But seriously I have found quite a few "self propelled" magnet motors on the net. If any of them worked would that not solve the problem we are all tryin to figure out here?
...
There's lots of videos on the net that claim to show self-runing permanent magnets motors. Most of them are hoaxes made by assholes
to fool people.
There are a few designs for permanent magnet motors that can and do work when built exactly right, but those are generally not
the ones of which abundant video material is available.
The Johnson pm motor for example (if I recall and spelled the name right) is claimed to actually work by a few people. But it is
apparently very difficult to get the dimensions and construction of all the parts exactly right, and even a relatively small deviation
is said to result in stalling of the motor... (or at least, that's what I have been told by a couple of guys who tried to replicate
it a couple of years ago.)

Yes, if any of the pm motors shown on the numerous videos really works, that would be the type of thing we're all trying to achieve.
Unfortunately it seems the rise of youtube also provided pranksters with the ideal platform to perform hoaxes.
Also, there are quite a lot of pm motor patent applications, patents, and designs out there... but keep in mind that a patent
may be granted and applied for even when the design does not work at all.

I for one am still looking out for a pmm design that is not extremely difficult to replicate and does work. :)

regards,
Koen

Offline Koen1

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Re: Mistery Metal?
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2009, 05:05:07 PM »
If you're still looking for a material to actually shield something from
a magnetic field, then perhaps you should try to replicate this patent application:
http://www.rexresearch.com/wadle/wadle.htm

a brief quote:
"The present invention concerns a shielding material for a magnetic shield containing coal slag; silver powder; a mixture of calcium powder, magnesium powder, and zinc powder; and silica powder. The shielding material is in powder form. In another embodiment, the present invention contemplates adding nano-silver to the shielding material. The present invention is based on the concept that the magnetic field is actually "deflected" away from the area shielded.

A magnetic shield is traditionally made of a metallic material such as steel, iron, and nickel. Because metallic materials have a strong attraction for magnetic fields, the shield traps the magnetic force and diverts it around the equipment generating heat."

If the formula they give for their powder-based magnetically shielding coating really does work as they say,
then that seems to be exactly the type of shield you're looking for: a material that actually deflects the
magnetic field, instead of just offering a better flux path like the normal "magnetic shields" do.

And the materials used are easy to obtain too. :)

Regards,
Koen

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Re: Mistery Metal?
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2009, 05:05:07 PM »
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Offline khabe

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Re: Mistery Metal?
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2009, 12:34:22 PM »
There is no mystery at all - just part of magnetic circuit called as BACK IRON , when simplest design - back iron behind of two magnetic poles
another side, upper (between is air-gap) callad as flux returning iron ...
Soft iron, Silicon iron, Nickel iron ... Cobalt iron ... dependes about what you are trying, what you did in school and how thick is your wallet ::)
Its for complete magnetic circuit - closed circuit - for getting maximum from magnets ...
Used in ALL voice coil motors, linear motors, rotary motors ...
When mentioned parts not used then efficient is very poor ...much longer wire need to be used (more ohms ...) ... lot of anomalies and misunderstandings because weak and disorganized, not concentrated m.flux,  like we see when "wonder motors".
Most of "wonder motors" are "wonder" because they have no back iron as well as no flux returning iron.
For example Newman´s motor is in reality pure iron less motor wheres forgotten flux returning iron (outer side of windings) or even back iron (inner side of magnets),
Nothing more! Thats because it needs huge km of wire for realize Lorenz law to run the motor.
cheers,
khabe

Offline Koen1

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Re: Mistery Metal?
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2009, 01:03:43 PM »
Yes, that's roughly what we said before too, that
there is no magnetic "shield" but rather a better flux path
through iron, nickel, cobalt, mumetal, whatever.

But what about that powder-based magnetic shielding material
that I posted just the other day?
I haven't tried it yet nor do I know anyone who has, so I'm not
sure if it really does deflect the magnetic field as claimed
in the patent...
But if it does, then we would actually be able to make a real
magnetic "shield" instead of just a more efficient flux path.

Anyone tried the material yet?
Anyone for a pmm design that doesn't use flux "rerouting"
but actual flux deflection? :)
At first glance it would seem a simple pmm with the rotor
magnets attracting the stator magnets and such a flux
deflector screen placed at the right point would make the
rotor spin... would it not? ;)

Regards,
Koen

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Re: Mistery Metal?
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2009, 01:03:43 PM »
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