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Title: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: Magnethos on January 17, 2009, 10:16:20 PM
I was surfing on the net and I have found some interesting stuff. I hope this could be usefull to anyone.

Schematics included

Links:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/avramenko/avramenk.htm

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/afep012.htm

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/afep01.htm

http://www.viesh.ru/Development%20of%20Resonance%20methods%20of%20electric%20power%20transmission.htm

http://www.rexresearch.com/avramenk/avramenk.htm


Patent:
http://v3.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?KC=A1&date=19931125&NR=9323907A1&DB=EPODOC&locale=es_LP&CC=WO&FT=D
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: jadaro2600 on January 18, 2009, 01:41:02 AM
Interesting.

I may be wrong, but despite the fact that there are multiple lines on a pole, don't we already use a single line for transmissions?

What's the difference?; Is this just a deviation without ground?

Is this more or less dangerous that AC? ( har har @ edison )

Some more links to the same:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6104107.html (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6104107.html)
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: jadaro2600 on January 18, 2009, 07:33:06 AM
@Loner:
Perhaps you could could help to to understand his circuit then.

@Magnethos:
Is there any interest in a replication?
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: Magnethos on January 18, 2009, 11:04:48 AM
@jadaro2600
I can't replicate it because I haven't enought knowledges about electronics. My interest is to know more about electricity and if we understand that circuit we will know a bit more about what electricity really is.
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: Bob Smith on January 18, 2009, 05:38:51 PM
I find this post from Dr. Stiffler helpful in explaining what the AV plug does, confirming some ofwhat is said above. It is interesting to note that in his SEC system, his positive results seem to be dependent on an open primary and secondary. There are some gems on the AV plug in Doc Stiffler's thread and in some of the Youtube videos that replicated the SEC that can help us better understand it (the AV plug and its function.  See: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3457.msg61052#msg61052
B
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: jadaro2600 on January 19, 2009, 01:02:31 AM
I think that this is more about Avramenko's circuit than it is about Tesla's tower.

Looking at Avramenko's flowchart diagram, the end result is a single wire transmission, whereas Tesla's tower was wireless..

The ideas aren't totally removed from one another however, ..After reading a bit about cable signals, really what's happening in an analog signal is no different than what happens through the air, the required power for one versus the other is much different though.  You wouldn't want 50k watts going through your coax.

I suppose the only similarity is to take Tesla's transmitter and hook a wire up to it directly to the receiver...as Avramenko has done.

This is my understanding at least.  Avramenko's design doesn't use the power or the frequency involved, however.

Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: jadaro2600 on January 19, 2009, 04:02:54 AM
I'm trying to conceive of a simple way to replicate his setup, however, for starters, the local Radioshack doesn't carry the 555 or 556 IC logic chips anymore, they only carry these OP amp chips.  I don't think the even carry darlington pairs - they just peddle LEDs, batteries, and adapter plugs.

Secondly, I've lost my breadboard...  :o
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: MinEth3r on January 20, 2009, 05:42:17 AM
Hi there,
    my previous overunity posts might interest people of this thread, maybe not, enough said, Spokane1's worth the read too :O)

   CarlBrannen's work at wordpress is wonderful. On fundamental particles and novel methods of calulations :O)

   [OFFTOPIC]Triché means Tricked, Cheated, had to let that out somewhere too :O)

All the best for the tough year to come,
  MinEth3r

Posting didnt worked, added this line
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Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 20, 2009, 07:17:59 AM
I believe this is related to this topic.  Here is a video of my modified Fuji AA circuit lighting 100 LEDs using only one wire.  A single AA battery and a single wire lighting 100 leds.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQpx86Eg03g

Bill
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: Magnethos on January 20, 2009, 03:56:24 PM
@Pirate
400 Leds using only and AA battery? That's is too much. :o
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 20, 2009, 07:33:03 PM
Thanks.  They are brighter with both wires as you can see in my other videos on there but, I just thought it was interesting that the light at all.  100 was my limit for the one wire tests.  with both wires running the 100 leds, they are almost too bright and I don't run them very long as I do not want to burn them up.  But, 400 leds is my limit for now using both wires.

Bill
Title: Re: One wire transmission: NO wondering ! Fully normal PhysicTesla and Avramenko
Post by: pese on January 21, 2009, 06:23:37 PM
ive attention. IF this is HIGH FREQUENCY /RF) even low frequency square wave)
This it is not one wire transmission. !!
Its an cloused ring circuit !!. (Oszillator Antenna Capacitor (load) Ground Oszillator )!!

Because RF  even LF square wares conduct over capacities the loads (as xenon (Naudin), as fluiorescent lamps as neons as led
(an even-if you have hi power, also bulbs (filament glow lamps.)

Square waves (even if low frequency if the have very short ( switch t(on) and t(off) times
(see datasheets 555  if thas was used for example.
so that say if the output voltages are transferred via
condensor (even if only picofarad ranges ,
so your power will  be transferred.  (capacity resitance ).
-------------------------------
50 years ago ..... if i have connected  my Shortwave transmitter (100 watts)  in serie of an lamp (filament normal lamp 60 watts) to  the  "One wire" SW antenna . The lamp will glow up bright.
----------------------------------
So what Naudin and you do , is nothing other !! (in milliwatt range.)
No wonder over that, if you collect some parts of MILLIwatts,
that LED will burn . IF the wiring of this is the antenna,
and your hands or other parts around is the capacitive ground or the load,  so the oszillator circuit stend power to the output
(antenna)  and the controlling load resistor (replaceed here with lamps,) glow up. I am wondering since years that nobody will
shown this examination, but designs schemas over schemas over this very simply technic that (must) know even any  radioamateur-

Gustav Pese
Title: Re: One wire transmission: NO wondering ! Fully normal PhysicTesla and Avramenko
Post by: jadaro2600 on January 21, 2009, 11:15:09 PM
ive attention. IF this is HIGH FREQUENCY /RF) even low frequency square wave)
This it is not one wire transmission. !!
Its an cloused ring circuit !!. (Oszillator Antenna Capacitor (load) Ground Oszillator )!!

Because RF  even LF square wares conduct over capacities the loads (as xenon (Naudin), as fluiorescent lamps as neons as led
(an even-if you have hi power, also bulbs (filament glow lamps.)

Square waves (even if low frequency if the have very short ( switch t(on) and t(off) times
(see datasheets 555  if thas was used for example.
so that say if the output voltages are transferred via
condensor (even if only picofarad ranges ,
so your power will  be transferred.  (capacity resitance ).
-------------------------------
50 years ago ..... if i have connected  my Shortwave transmitter (100 watts)  in serie of an lamp (filament normal lamp 60 watts) to  the  "One wire" SW antenna . The lamp will glow up bright.
----------------------------------
So what Naudin and you do , is nothing other !! (in milliwatt range.)
No wonder over that, if you collect some parts of MILLIwatts,
that LED will burn . IF the wiring of this is the antenna,
and your hands or other parts around is the capacitive ground or the load,  so the oszillator circuit stend power to the output
(antenna)  and the controlling load resistor (replaceed here with lamps,) glow up. I am wondering since years that nobody will
shown this examination, but designs schemas over schemas over this very simply technic that (must) know even any  radioamateur-

Gustav Pese

By these statements then, I can assume that there will be RF losses due to the one wire emitting electromagnetic waves?
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: pese on January 22, 2009, 01:06:12 AM
All that is used in loads (leds , light, calor etc
was powered from an source. EVEN IF IT only
(invisual) capacitiv connected . (as second path ,
that can peplace the missed 2. wire).
i think that is short and to understand my knowledge
from them...
G.Pese
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: jadaro2600 on January 28, 2009, 01:38:43 AM
It would be interesting to know if anyone's done anything with this lately?

I couldn't find any 555 timers, And i've lost my breadboard, ... SO I went to the local radioshack and those people don't have any answere's, so I looked for another source of IC logic chips, Apparently Texas Instruments will ship free samples to people, so I requested 2 types of 555 chips, and 2 556 timers. Additionally, a chip called the TLC2272AMD - just for fun. And for FREE btw, shipping costs and all.  It's good to be a student.

Perhaps one of you could enlighten me as to what the voltages are across the one wire - . I was thinking of using these camera batteries, these 3v 123 Photo lithium cells, or maybe some rechargeable.

Maybe I'll just use the AC hobby source and rectify it for the purposes of running the timer chip.  I'm a little lost on all of this though...there would be no point if I have a pre-existing AC source now would there?  I can just run the...

Wait, how does this Avramenko circuit work again? LOL.
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: tinu on January 29, 2009, 02:34:18 PM
Hi,

Take a working CFL (or other fluorescent) lamp electronically excited in kHz range (50-60Hz will do it too although less prominent) and wind several turns of wire on it or just place a wire in its proximity without winding it; one end of the wire to the Avramenko plug and the other end remains in the air. Voila. Good luck in experimenting.

Avramenko plug is exactly a half of a full bridge rectifier and it works accordingly (as a half-wave rectifier). As Pese already said, one half-wave is short-circuited to the ground through parasitic capacitances while the other half-wave is employed to charge the capacitor (or to do other useful work, as the case may be). No mysteries there but let me know if you find some.

Cheers,
Tinu
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: Koen1 on January 30, 2009, 03:30:11 PM
Hold on, let me see if I understood Pese correctly here...

...is he saying that it is not at all remarkable to light up 100 LEDs
using a single AA battery, if we only transform the battery output
from DC to high frequency RF signals?
How exactly does turning the DC into RF increase the power output of the battery??

Mind you, I get the point on using a rectifying diode bridge with cap connected
to a high freq signal, seems quite logical that a single wire can be used for this.
After all, hf signals are not DC and do not necessarily need a second wire.
But that does not explain the energy gain that appears to occur. Or is that
also just an illusion?

Or perhaps I just went dumb and just need someone to recap things... ;) ?

Regards,
Koen
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: jadaro2600 on January 30, 2009, 11:09:19 PM
Hold on, let me see if I understood Pese correctly here...

...is he saying that it is not at all remarkable to light up 100 LEDs
using a single AA battery, if we only transform the battery output
from DC to high frequency RF signals?
How exactly does turning the DC into RF increase the power output of the battery??

Mind you, I get the point on using a rectifying diode bridge with cap connected
to a high freq signal, seems quite logical that a single wire can be used for this.
After all, hf signals are not DC and do not necessarily need a second wire.
But that does not explain the energy gain that appears to occur. Or is that
also just an illusion?

Or perhaps I just went dumb and just need someone to recap things... ;) ?

Regards,
Koen

It doesn't, Piratexxxx hasn't divulged the circuit diagram to his invention.  I'm not going to believe his claims until he does either.  There really isn't even any theory behind it either. ...not in 187 pages of comments.
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 30, 2009, 11:31:17 PM
Jadaro:

First, I never claimed to invent anything and second there are only about 100 diagrams of my circuit and similar ones in the Joule Thief topic.  There are close-up and very close-up photos of my circuits, including the one used in the experiment mention here.  I do not have an exact schematic for the modified Fuji circuit as I did not build the circuit, only modified it...hence the name.

So, to recap:  Yes, I have "divulged" my circuits, I have produced videos of my circuits and experiments and as far as theories go.....there have been many discussions about how/why this works and all of them fit within conventional physics.

I make no claims in any of my experiments.  What you see is what you get.  I just happen to find this all very interesting.  Not everyone will and that is fine with me.

Bill
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: jadaro2600 on January 31, 2009, 01:31:43 AM
Jadaro:

First, I never claimed to invent anything and second there are only about 100 diagrams of my circuit and similar ones in the Joule Thief topic.  There are close-up and very close-up photos of my circuits, including the one used in the experiment mention here.  I do not have an exact schematic for the modified Fuji circuit as I did not build the circuit, only modified it...hence the name.

So, to recap:  Yes, I have "divulged" my circuits, I have produced videos of my circuits and experiments and as far as theories go.....there have been many discussions about how/why this works and all of them fit within conventional physics.

I make no claims in any of my experiments.  What you see is what you get.  I just happen to find this all very interesting.  Not everyone will and that is fine with me.

Bill

Look up the part numbers and recreate your circuit - don't you feel some duty, at least, to recreate the circuit on your own terms? ...modified fuji circuit or some other version of the original.  There are indeed hundreds of pictures of this circuit or modified version of this circuit on that thread.  Having a link to the working one would be nice.  ( there is an uploads and downloads section.)
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 31, 2009, 01:49:45 AM
Jadaro2600:

Where is this uploads and downloads section you mentioned?  I don't see one anywhere.  If you point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it.  Thanks.

Bill
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: jadaro2600 on January 31, 2009, 01:54:26 AM
I just got a bunch of IC chips from texas instruments, and the idiot that I am, I now realize that I can't use them because they're so damn small.  The packaging is meant for something that goes on a finished printed board.  So I'm going to include a picture for future reference:

NA556 and the NA555, numbers in the tenths of an inch.
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 31, 2009, 08:11:36 AM
Loner:

Thank you.  Jadaro already PM'd me with similar info. (which I appreciate)  And now, writing this note, I look to my left and see them listed under the menu section.  Duh!  They were there all of the time but I never noticed them.  Thank you.

Bill
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: jadaro2600 on January 31, 2009, 09:10:07 AM
Loner:

Thank you.  Jadaro already PM'd me with similar info. (which I appreciate)  And now, writing this note, I look to my left and see them listed under the menu section.  Duh!  They were there all of the time but I never noticed them.  Thank you.

Bill
I don't have a problem with your circuit, btw, And I hope your cat recovers.

I just got a hold of one of John Bedini's lecture video's and your circuit responds similarly to the ideas in tesla's vertical standing wave machines and in JB's circuits ..he seems to have a hard time explaining it though; he uses a lot of strange terms.  which i've learned his geek-speak and have come to terms.

btw, I've never even seen a LED chain of christmas lights, lol.

THe real point of this quote-message is to understand whether or not your circuit is outputting pulses or DC or pulses of DC - and then form a cross-application between the jule theif and the avramenko designs.  If your circuit is using a toriod, and pulsing, then some level of resonance will occur.

If you watch Bedini's 7th video, "energy from the vacuum" ..you may find that your solid state is, in some ways, better than his mechanical setup if it is indeed working as it appears to be.

If you bleed energy from the circuit, then maybe you can recharge the one battery that you're using to power the circuit - timing would be critical.  One theory I might have for why your circuit is working it the capacitance of an LED, however, this I would only mention if your sending pulsed dc to the chain of lights.

I think that bedini's machine is even more of a mystery than yours is, if that helps matters.
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 31, 2009, 07:24:52 PM
Jadaro 2600:

Thank you.

First, most that know me know I am a novice at best at electronics.  This is why when I do an experiment I say "hey this did this" and show it in the video.  You will notice that I almost never say "this does this because....." for the simple reason that I don't really know.

Pulsed dc or ac, that is the question.  I have read arguments for both on the JT and I am not sure which one we have.  Folks are using bridge rectifiers to check so this would seem to make it ac, but again, I don't really know.

I love Bedini's stuff and I will watch that video again.  I watched it the first time about a year ago and I know a lot more now than I did then about this stuff....still a long way to go however.

That is a good suggestion you have about capturing some of the energy (back emf when the field collapses?) and feeding it back to the battery.  The only thing I have done almost close to this is to charge supercaps while running the device and then running the device off of the supercaps only.  I want to try to hook this circuit to a Bedini motor as jonnydavro did.  I have not gotten that far.

Also, all along I have taken the stance that the JT is not OU or even a free energy device by itself.  I do strongly believe that when used correctly, and in connection with other devices, free energy can be obtained. One example is the JT running off of my earth battery (which I have yet to do due to the winter here) and seeing if it can light a 48" long tube.  If so, I would be effectively lighting that tube for free just like I have been able to light leds for free from it last year.

I want to study the AV plug in more detail.  I have read that it is basically half of a bridge rectifier but this seems too simple, although it may be true.  So much to learn, so little time.

Thanks again.

Bill
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: jadaro2600 on January 31, 2009, 07:41:50 PM
Also, all along I have taken the stance that the JT is not OU or even a free energy device by itself.  I do strongly believe that when used correctly, and in connection with other devices, free energy can be obtained. One example is the JT running off of my earth battery (which I have yet to do due to the winter here) and seeing if it can light a 48" long tube.  If so, I would be effectively lighting that tube for free just like I have been able to light leds for free from it last year.

I tried making an earth battery, the soil is just too neutral around here.  I used a brass rod and a steel rod - not zinc.  THere was very little voltage between th two of them placed three inches apart.  IF you call that an earth battery.

Otherwise, employing antennas to earthen grounds doesn't really classify as an earth battery, it would be more like an earth ground with a tank circuit ( a radio ).
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 31, 2009, 08:00:49 PM
@ Jadaro:

Well, there are many things one has to do to maximize the output from an electrode style earth battery.  first, you need the right materials, and the more of them (mass) the better.  I used carbon rods (1" dia x 18" long) and magnesium blocks. (three fire starter blocks about 3" x 1.5" x 1/2" thick ea. then banded together)  Then, the greater the distance between your electrodes the better.  I am using about 4.5 feet as that is all the space I have here.  Then, you have to align the electrodes along the north/south meridian (NOT magnetic north, there is a difference) placing the positive electrode to the north side. (In my case that is the carbon)  Also, you have to look up the magnetic dip angle for your area.  This information would be available from the same place you find your magnetic declination number)  You want the angle from the bottom of the + electrode to the - electrode to match the dip angle as close as possible.  The soil does not matter all that much.  Some people say  it is just the water in the ground acting as an electrolyte, but my output number go up when the soil is dry.

Last year I got 2.2 vdc and up to 426 mA's.    If you are interested, just google "telluric currents" of the earth.  This is where the energy comes from.   Interesting stuff.

Bill
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: DrStiffler on January 31, 2009, 09:21:24 PM
@ Jadaro:

Well, there are many things one has to do to maximize the output from an electrode style earth battery.  first, you need the right materials, and the more of them (mass) the better.  I used carbon rods (1" dia x 18" long) and magnesium blocks. (three fire starter blocks about 3" x 1.5" x 1/2" thick ea. then banded together)  Then, the greater the distance between your electrodes the better.  I am using about 4.5 feet as that is all the space I have here.  Then, you have to align the electrodes along the north/south meridian (NOT magnetic north, there is a difference) placing the positive electrode to the north side. (In my case that is the carbon)  Also, you have to look up the magnetic dip angle for your area.  This information would be available from the same place you find your magnetic declination number)  You want the angle from the bottom of the + electrode to the - electrode to match the dip angle as close as possible.  The soil does not matter all that much.  Some people say  it is just the water in the ground acting as an electrolyte, but my output number go up when the soil is dry.

Last year I got 2.2 vdc and up to 426 mA's.    If you are interested, just google "telluric currents" of the earth.  This is where the energy comes from.   Interesting stuff.

Bill
@Bill

So is this correct ( 2.2 * 0.426 = 0.9372 ). Now if you did this for 1 second that is 0.9372 Joule/Seconds or Watt/Seconds which ever you prefer. Now this is very small unless you can do it for 3600 seconds and at that point you would have 0.94WHr, pretty damn good. You always need to include the time in the equation otherwise it can be fooling in the least. Say you get 1000J for only one second, wow a 1000W/sec, but that only applies if you can sustain this for longer than a second. So 1000W/sec / 3600 = 0.2778 or 0.2778 WHrs. The details are in the time ???

If you are getting 426mA constantly, I will book a flight to see it as this would be something.

DrS.
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 31, 2009, 10:38:57 PM
@ Dr. Stiffler:

Good point.  Since the meter on mA's is kind of like a dead short, yes, the numbers go down when just checking mA's.  I have not timed how long this takes, but from memory (not a very good scientific observation) it was like....426.....425....424....423.... dropping very regular at about one number/second.  But, as I said, I only did this to check for the power at that moment.  I am sure if I left it connected long enough, it might go to 0. (probably)  But now I am working with the joule thief circuits and supercaps so, I hope to light a 48" tube (or more) from this set-up.

How is your work going?  I noticed that you have not posted much here on your topic lately. (I don't really blame you)  I have read feedback from others there that your work is going well and you are close to publishing.  Congratulations.

If you get a chance, check out our joule thief topic.  It is unusual as there is hardly any "internet forum" BS going on there.  Just a lot of good folks trying different things and sharing the information.  I have learned a lot since starting that topic.  It is not ou but I still think some amazing things have been done with a single AA battery.  Best of luck and success to you in your work and publication thereof.  Thanks.

BIll
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: sparks on January 31, 2009, 11:37:28 PM
   If for every milli amp milli second you have a voltage multiplier circuit that raises the voltage on a variable capacitor 20volts.  At the end of 1 second your capacitor would be up to 20,000 volts.  After 2 seconds 40,000 volts.  After a minute 1.2 million volts.  Now short that capacitor out in say a millisecond. 
Amperage in your circuit will be I=E/r  Since your resistance is as close to zero as you can get it say .1 ohms.  Amperage is now going to be 1.2million volts/.1 or in a miilisecond you are going to get a flow of 10.2 million amps.  This was from a flow of 1 milliamp for 1 minute into your system.  Lets break that 10.2 million amps for one millisecond down compared to your investment amperage.  Input  1 milliamp minutes  Output 170 milliamp minutes.   There is a gain of 169 milliamps per minute or in one hour you have some extra work of about 10.14 amp hours.  If your 10.2million for a millisecond discharge is invested in some reactive energy system that allows this discharge to oscillate for an hour  instead of just flowing for 1 millisecond you can see that your voltage multiplier circuit coupled to the proper capacitor and resonant circuit can get very powerful very quickly.  10.2 million amps flowing in a resonant circuit for an hour is sure to let the near field get excited more than lighting up an incandescent bulb with the same investment wattage.
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: jadaro2600 on March 05, 2009, 07:08:41 AM
SO somewhere in the time passed since I last posted here I discovered that this technology for single wire transmission is indeed used - it requires a 'throw' and a 'catch' mechanism which launches standing waves onto a transmission wire where they are caught at the other end.

There was come posts recently in the Joule Thief thread about a single wire lighting a small florescent tube - which is a similar effect as would be seen if you put one end to a Tesla coil - or maybe even an Avramenko style wave generator.

Generally speaking - i think all of these technologies tie in with one another.  Tesla coil, Joule Thief, and Avramenko's single wire transmission.  They are simply implemented differently.

From some of the results, I'm starting to think that a Joule thief might me capable of generating low power standing waves in the right circumstances.
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 05, 2009, 07:31:51 AM
I just recently posted a link to my youtube video on the JT topic where I lit 100 leds using a single wire.  I did this a while ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQpx86Eg03g

There is a lot to this that we do not understand.

Bill
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: exnihiloest on March 05, 2009, 11:21:04 AM
I lead experiments with single wire transmission. I powered a
the primary of a tranformer with a generator at a frequency of
several tens Khz and monitored the current that was consumed.
Only one wire of the secundary was connected through a wire to the
common point of two diodes in opposition connected to a capacitor
with a resistance R in parallel. I measured the current at the
primary of the transformer. It was depending on R according to the
ohm's law.

Single wire transmission works but it is conventional science. In
fact the circuit is looped through the capacities between the end
terminal conductor and the environment (mainly, the ground or the
earth) and back to the transformer through the primary/secundary
capacity. It is easily modizable with tools for electronics, the only
required condition being not to forget the hidden capacitors (even a
completely isolated conductor sphere has a capacitor
C=4*pi*epsilon0*R).

Such capacities are weak (order of pF). This explains why high
frequencies, high voltage, wider terminal conductor surface and
possibly LC resonnance are required for best performances and why a
simple voltmeter connected to the terminal conductor, or the
proximity of the hand, radically modify the working conditions.

François

Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: Nabo00o on July 02, 2010, 06:26:17 PM
Exnihiloest, if the other terminal of the transformer was either connected to ground or had sufficient capacity on its own (meaning that you had to give it a lot more surface), then this would have been conventional.

As the original experiments stands, this is wholly impossible for conventional electromagnetic theory to explain, because ONLY ONE wire is connected to the load. I know high frequency combined with high voltage will help, but only if you have enough capacity on BOTH terminals.


The present knowledge of electricity has huge gaps, which they are are continually forcing us to forget, while Tesla long ago tried as hard as he could to make us aware of the very different and unrestricted nature of the force we call electricity...

Julian

I lead experiments with single wire transmission. I powered a
the primary of a tranformer with a generator at a frequency of
several tens Khz and monitored the current that was consumed.
Only one wire of the secundary was connected through a wire to the
common point of two diodes in opposition connected to a capacitor
with a resistance R in parallel. I measured the current at the
primary of the transformer. It was depending on R according to the
ohm's law.

Single wire transmission works but it is conventional science. In
fact the circuit is looped through the capacities between the end
terminal conductor and the environment (mainly, the ground or the
earth) and back to the transformer through the primary/secundary
capacity. It is easily modizable with tools for electronics, the only
required condition being not to forget the hidden capacitors (even a
completely isolated conductor sphere has a capacitor
C=4*pi*epsilon0*R).

Such capacities are weak (order of pF). This explains why high
frequencies, high voltage, wider terminal conductor surface and
possibly LC resonnance are required for best performances and why a
simple voltmeter connected to the terminal conductor, or the
proximity of the hand, radically modify the working conditions.

François
Title: Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
Post by: arhitrade on January 30, 2021, 11:09:07 AM
The principle of operation and calculation of single-wire power transmission lines:
https://gorchilin.com/articles/radiant/energy_transfer_wire?lang=en (https://gorchilin.com/articles/radiant/energy_transfer_wire?lang=en)