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Author Topic: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko  (Read 25286 times)

Offline tinu

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Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2009, 02:34:18 PM »
Hi,

Take a working CFL (or other fluorescent) lamp electronically excited in kHz range (50-60Hz will do it too although less prominent) and wind several turns of wire on it or just place a wire in its proximity without winding it; one end of the wire to the Avramenko plug and the other end remains in the air. Voila. Good luck in experimenting.

Avramenko plug is exactly a half of a full bridge rectifier and it works accordingly (as a half-wave rectifier). As Pese already said, one half-wave is short-circuited to the ground through parasitic capacitances while the other half-wave is employed to charge the capacitor (or to do other useful work, as the case may be). No mysteries there but let me know if you find some.

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Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2009, 02:34:18 PM »

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Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2009, 03:30:11 PM »
Hold on, let me see if I understood Pese correctly here...

...is he saying that it is not at all remarkable to light up 100 LEDs
using a single AA battery, if we only transform the battery output
from DC to high frequency RF signals?
How exactly does turning the DC into RF increase the power output of the battery??

Mind you, I get the point on using a rectifying diode bridge with cap connected
to a high freq signal, seems quite logical that a single wire can be used for this.
After all, hf signals are not DC and do not necessarily need a second wire.
But that does not explain the energy gain that appears to occur. Or is that
also just an illusion?

Or perhaps I just went dumb and just need someone to recap things... ;) ?

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Koen

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Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2009, 11:09:19 PM »
Hold on, let me see if I understood Pese correctly here...

...is he saying that it is not at all remarkable to light up 100 LEDs
using a single AA battery, if we only transform the battery output
from DC to high frequency RF signals?
How exactly does turning the DC into RF increase the power output of the battery??

Mind you, I get the point on using a rectifying diode bridge with cap connected
to a high freq signal, seems quite logical that a single wire can be used for this.
After all, hf signals are not DC and do not necessarily need a second wire.
But that does not explain the energy gain that appears to occur. Or is that
also just an illusion?

Or perhaps I just went dumb and just need someone to recap things... ;) ?

Regards,
Koen

It doesn't, Piratexxxx hasn't divulged the circuit diagram to his invention.  I'm not going to believe his claims until he does either.  There really isn't even any theory behind it either. ...not in 187 pages of comments.

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Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2009, 11:09:19 PM »
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Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2009, 11:31:17 PM »
Jadaro:

First, I never claimed to invent anything and second there are only about 100 diagrams of my circuit and similar ones in the Joule Thief topic.  There are close-up and very close-up photos of my circuits, including the one used in the experiment mention here.  I do not have an exact schematic for the modified Fuji circuit as I did not build the circuit, only modified it...hence the name.

So, to recap:  Yes, I have "divulged" my circuits, I have produced videos of my circuits and experiments and as far as theories go.....there have been many discussions about how/why this works and all of them fit within conventional physics.

I make no claims in any of my experiments.  What you see is what you get.  I just happen to find this all very interesting.  Not everyone will and that is fine with me.

Bill

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Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2009, 01:31:43 AM »
Jadaro:

First, I never claimed to invent anything and second there are only about 100 diagrams of my circuit and similar ones in the Joule Thief topic.  There are close-up and very close-up photos of my circuits, including the one used in the experiment mention here.  I do not have an exact schematic for the modified Fuji circuit as I did not build the circuit, only modified it...hence the name.

So, to recap:  Yes, I have "divulged" my circuits, I have produced videos of my circuits and experiments and as far as theories go.....there have been many discussions about how/why this works and all of them fit within conventional physics.

I make no claims in any of my experiments.  What you see is what you get.  I just happen to find this all very interesting.  Not everyone will and that is fine with me.

Bill

Look up the part numbers and recreate your circuit - don't you feel some duty, at least, to recreate the circuit on your own terms? ...modified fuji circuit or some other version of the original.  There are indeed hundreds of pictures of this circuit or modified version of this circuit on that thread.  Having a link to the working one would be nice.  ( there is an uploads and downloads section.)

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Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2009, 01:31:43 AM »
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Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2009, 01:49:45 AM »
Jadaro2600:

Where is this uploads and downloads section you mentioned?  I don't see one anywhere.  If you point me in the right direction, I would appreciate it.  Thanks.

Bill

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Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2009, 01:54:26 AM »
I just got a bunch of IC chips from texas instruments, and the idiot that I am, I now realize that I can't use them because they're so damn small.  The packaging is meant for something that goes on a finished printed board.  So I'm going to include a picture for future reference:

NA556 and the NA555, numbers in the tenths of an inch.

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Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2009, 01:54:26 AM »
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Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2009, 08:11:36 AM »
Loner:

Thank you.  Jadaro already PM'd me with similar info. (which I appreciate)  And now, writing this note, I look to my left and see them listed under the menu section.  Duh!  They were there all of the time but I never noticed them.  Thank you.

Bill

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Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2009, 09:10:07 AM »
Loner:

Thank you.  Jadaro already PM'd me with similar info. (which I appreciate)  And now, writing this note, I look to my left and see them listed under the menu section.  Duh!  They were there all of the time but I never noticed them.  Thank you.

Bill
I don't have a problem with your circuit, btw, And I hope your cat recovers.

I just got a hold of one of John Bedini's lecture video's and your circuit responds similarly to the ideas in tesla's vertical standing wave machines and in JB's circuits ..he seems to have a hard time explaining it though; he uses a lot of strange terms.  which i've learned his geek-speak and have come to terms.

btw, I've never even seen a LED chain of christmas lights, lol.

THe real point of this quote-message is to understand whether or not your circuit is outputting pulses or DC or pulses of DC - and then form a cross-application between the jule theif and the avramenko designs.  If your circuit is using a toriod, and pulsing, then some level of resonance will occur.

If you watch Bedini's 7th video, "energy from the vacuum" ..you may find that your solid state is, in some ways, better than his mechanical setup if it is indeed working as it appears to be.

If you bleed energy from the circuit, then maybe you can recharge the one battery that you're using to power the circuit - timing would be critical.  One theory I might have for why your circuit is working it the capacitance of an LED, however, this I would only mention if your sending pulsed dc to the chain of lights.

I think that bedini's machine is even more of a mystery than yours is, if that helps matters.

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Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2009, 09:10:07 AM »
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Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2009, 07:24:52 PM »
Jadaro 2600:

Thank you.

First, most that know me know I am a novice at best at electronics.  This is why when I do an experiment I say "hey this did this" and show it in the video.  You will notice that I almost never say "this does this because....." for the simple reason that I don't really know.

Pulsed dc or ac, that is the question.  I have read arguments for both on the JT and I am not sure which one we have.  Folks are using bridge rectifiers to check so this would seem to make it ac, but again, I don't really know.

I love Bedini's stuff and I will watch that video again.  I watched it the first time about a year ago and I know a lot more now than I did then about this stuff....still a long way to go however.

That is a good suggestion you have about capturing some of the energy (back emf when the field collapses?) and feeding it back to the battery.  The only thing I have done almost close to this is to charge supercaps while running the device and then running the device off of the supercaps only.  I want to try to hook this circuit to a Bedini motor as jonnydavro did.  I have not gotten that far.

Also, all along I have taken the stance that the JT is not OU or even a free energy device by itself.  I do strongly believe that when used correctly, and in connection with other devices, free energy can be obtained. One example is the JT running off of my earth battery (which I have yet to do due to the winter here) and seeing if it can light a 48" long tube.  If so, I would be effectively lighting that tube for free just like I have been able to light leds for free from it last year.

I want to study the AV plug in more detail.  I have read that it is basically half of a bridge rectifier but this seems too simple, although it may be true.  So much to learn, so little time.

Thanks again.

Bill

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Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2009, 07:41:50 PM »
Also, all along I have taken the stance that the JT is not OU or even a free energy device by itself.  I do strongly believe that when used correctly, and in connection with other devices, free energy can be obtained. One example is the JT running off of my earth battery (which I have yet to do due to the winter here) and seeing if it can light a 48" long tube.  If so, I would be effectively lighting that tube for free just like I have been able to light leds for free from it last year.

I tried making an earth battery, the soil is just too neutral around here.  I used a brass rod and a steel rod - not zinc.  THere was very little voltage between th two of them placed three inches apart.  IF you call that an earth battery.

Otherwise, employing antennas to earthen grounds doesn't really classify as an earth battery, it would be more like an earth ground with a tank circuit ( a radio ).

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Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2009, 08:00:49 PM »
@ Jadaro:

Well, there are many things one has to do to maximize the output from an electrode style earth battery.  first, you need the right materials, and the more of them (mass) the better.  I used carbon rods (1" dia x 18" long) and magnesium blocks. (three fire starter blocks about 3" x 1.5" x 1/2" thick ea. then banded together)  Then, the greater the distance between your electrodes the better.  I am using about 4.5 feet as that is all the space I have here.  Then, you have to align the electrodes along the north/south meridian (NOT magnetic north, there is a difference) placing the positive electrode to the north side. (In my case that is the carbon)  Also, you have to look up the magnetic dip angle for your area.  This information would be available from the same place you find your magnetic declination number)  You want the angle from the bottom of the + electrode to the - electrode to match the dip angle as close as possible.  The soil does not matter all that much.  Some people say  it is just the water in the ground acting as an electrolyte, but my output number go up when the soil is dry.

Last year I got 2.2 vdc and up to 426 mA's.    If you are interested, just google "telluric currents" of the earth.  This is where the energy comes from.   Interesting stuff.

Bill

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Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2009, 09:21:24 PM »
@ Jadaro:

Well, there are many things one has to do to maximize the output from an electrode style earth battery.  first, you need the right materials, and the more of them (mass) the better.  I used carbon rods (1" dia x 18" long) and magnesium blocks. (three fire starter blocks about 3" x 1.5" x 1/2" thick ea. then banded together)  Then, the greater the distance between your electrodes the better.  I am using about 4.5 feet as that is all the space I have here.  Then, you have to align the electrodes along the north/south meridian (NOT magnetic north, there is a difference) placing the positive electrode to the north side. (In my case that is the carbon)  Also, you have to look up the magnetic dip angle for your area.  This information would be available from the same place you find your magnetic declination number)  You want the angle from the bottom of the + electrode to the - electrode to match the dip angle as close as possible.  The soil does not matter all that much.  Some people say  it is just the water in the ground acting as an electrolyte, but my output number go up when the soil is dry.

Last year I got 2.2 vdc and up to 426 mA's.    If you are interested, just google "telluric currents" of the earth.  This is where the energy comes from.   Interesting stuff.

Bill
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So is this correct ( 2.2 * 0.426 = 0.9372 ). Now if you did this for 1 second that is 0.9372 Joule/Seconds or Watt/Seconds which ever you prefer. Now this is very small unless you can do it for 3600 seconds and at that point you would have 0.94WHr, pretty damn good. You always need to include the time in the equation otherwise it can be fooling in the least. Say you get 1000J for only one second, wow a 1000W/sec, but that only applies if you can sustain this for longer than a second. So 1000W/sec / 3600 = 0.2778 or 0.2778 WHrs. The details are in the time ???

If you are getting 426mA constantly, I will book a flight to see it as this would be something.

DrS.

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« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2009, 10:38:57 PM »
@ Dr. Stiffler:

Good point.  Since the meter on mA's is kind of like a dead short, yes, the numbers go down when just checking mA's.  I have not timed how long this takes, but from memory (not a very good scientific observation) it was like....426.....425....424....423.... dropping very regular at about one number/second.  But, as I said, I only did this to check for the power at that moment.  I am sure if I left it connected long enough, it might go to 0. (probably)  But now I am working with the joule thief circuits and supercaps so, I hope to light a 48" tube (or more) from this set-up.

How is your work going?  I noticed that you have not posted much here on your topic lately. (I don't really blame you)  I have read feedback from others there that your work is going well and you are close to publishing.  Congratulations.

If you get a chance, check out our joule thief topic.  It is unusual as there is hardly any "internet forum" BS going on there.  Just a lot of good folks trying different things and sharing the information.  I have learned a lot since starting that topic.  It is not ou but I still think some amazing things have been done with a single AA battery.  Best of luck and success to you in your work and publication thereof.  Thanks.

BIll

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Re: One wire transmission: Tesla and Avramenko
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2009, 11:37:28 PM »
   If for every milli amp milli second you have a voltage multiplier circuit that raises the voltage on a variable capacitor 20volts.  At the end of 1 second your capacitor would be up to 20,000 volts.  After 2 seconds 40,000 volts.  After a minute 1.2 million volts.  Now short that capacitor out in say a millisecond. 
Amperage in your circuit will be I=E/r  Since your resistance is as close to zero as you can get it say .1 ohms.  Amperage is now going to be 1.2million volts/.1 or in a miilisecond you are going to get a flow of 10.2 million amps.  This was from a flow of 1 milliamp for 1 minute into your system.  Lets break that 10.2 million amps for one millisecond down compared to your investment amperage.  Input  1 milliamp minutes  Output 170 milliamp minutes.   There is a gain of 169 milliamps per minute or in one hour you have some extra work of about 10.14 amp hours.  If your 10.2million for a millisecond discharge is invested in some reactive energy system that allows this discharge to oscillate for an hour  instead of just flowing for 1 millisecond you can see that your voltage multiplier circuit coupled to the proper capacitor and resonant circuit can get very powerful very quickly.  10.2 million amps flowing in a resonant circuit for an hour is sure to let the near field get excited more than lighting up an incandescent bulb with the same investment wattage.
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