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Title: My Steorn prediction
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 16, 2009, 10:14:23 PM
I predict with 99.999% certainty that Steorn orbo is a legit "free energy" machine!!!  How Steorn is describing the Orbo functioning process is just far to close to my magnetic theory. Someone on another forum made a recent quote from Steorn -->

Excerpt:
"There is no stopping perpetual motion inventors. Expect to hear more of Sean McCarthy, of Steorn Ltd, who has an all-magnet motor in Dublin. He claims that when you travel around magnetic fields, starting and stopping at the same position, you gain a constant stream of clean energy."

Also Steorn has mentioned magnetic viscosity is required.

Anyone who has studied my magnetic theory, based on conventional math equations, of capturing ambient thermal energy by means of magnetic theory should get it. You can see my early years of magnetic research made public in 2005 at -->
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:PaulL:Details

There you can see an animation. There are two secrets -->

1. Change in magnetic permeability. You need to know the details to understand the method, as described on my page.

2. Magnetic viscosity. I used to refer to this as magnetic lag.


The magnetic viscosity/lag is discussed in the other part of my magnetic research -->
http://energymover.googlepages.com/

I will also predict that Steorn will eventually perform sensitive enough temperature measurements to discover the magnetic material is cooling down.

Lets hope Steorn succeeds in somehow marketing "free energy."

Mark My Words!   ;D


Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 16, 2009, 10:25:06 PM
Sean from Steorn has said in public that the conventional electromagnetic theory mathematics makes it very clear. I have been saying this since 2005. Given a half hour of a physicists time in person, I can show them the clear cut mathematics using conventional physics that clearly shows a gain of energy, and I can show them precisely where this energy comes from, and how it is captured. Although I'm presently working on diode arrays, I spent so many times going over the math time after time. It is so clear cut. It's too bad that Tom Schum persistently asked me to study his diode array, when I was just ~ two months away from building my first "free energy" machine based on my magnetic theory!  :'(

PL
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: ChileanOne on January 18, 2009, 03:30:00 PM
Hello Paul:

I am very intrigued to know how sensitive you think that the thermal measurements should be to demostrate that the energy comes from the environmental heat.

Could you enlighten me on this topic?

Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: Liberty on January 18, 2009, 04:29:09 PM
"I will also predict that Steorn will eventually perform sensitive enough temperature measurements to discover the magnetic material is cooling down."

Very interesting and bold, but I would respectfully disagree that magnets operate thermally from common things that we already know about magnets and how they act.  I have found them to operate on an atomic basis.  Permanent magnets may increase strength slightly when temperature decreases.  This is probably a result of the 'pinning material' within the magnet holding the magnetic particles in place more solidly due to the temperature change and rigidity of pinning material.  Also if temperature change increased, magnets output should increase if they operated by thermal conversion means.  We know that if neo magnets are subjected to too high of a temperature (curie temperature), it releases the pinning material bond in the magnet that holds the magnetic particles in place, allowing the particles to attract to each other and form a near closed loop within the magnet, having the appearance of a demagnetized magnet externally. 

I do admire your spirit to strive to find new answers and methods.  Please don't stop your work, as you may well find something that nobody else can find because they don't see it that way.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 18, 2009, 08:08:20 PM
Hi,

Thanks for comments, but I think a lot of people are misunderstanding this. This technology has nothing to do with obtaining such energy from a heated or cooled source. This is not about heating magnets, etc. All matter all the time contains ambient thermal energy. Perhaps this will save some typing time -->

Where does the "free energy" come from? -->
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=173.0

Simplified outline of how it captures energy -->
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=174.0

And my Free Energy designs based on such magnetic theories, which is clearly based on the mathematics of conventional physics -->
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?board=44.0

Regards,
PL
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: utilitarian on January 18, 2009, 09:54:40 PM
I predict with 99.999% certainty that Steorn orbo is a legit "free energy" machine!!!  How Steorn is describing the Orbo functioning process is just far to close to my magnetic theory. Someone on another forum made a recent quote from Steorn -->

Lets hope Steorn succeeds in somehow marketing "free energy."

Mark My Words!   ;D

Regards,
Paul

Any predictions as to when?  I predict 5 years will go by and no Orbo will be demonstrated or sold.  I am not going to predict that Steorn will fold, because, who knows, maybe they will go into a different line of business, but I do predict no Orbo.

I do find it humorous that you hope that Steorn succeeds in marketing free energy.  That is like saying, "I hope that drug dealer succeeds in marketing heroin to those junkies."  You do not need to market free energy.  It markets itself.  Everyone wants it, no one has it.  As soon as someone has it, I promise you it will not be a hard sell.  The fact that no Orbos ("Orboes?") have been sold is not because Steorn is having a hard time "marketing" them.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 23, 2009, 05:15:02 PM
I predict with 99.999% certainty that Steorn orbo is a legit "free energy" machine!!!

I hereby up my prediction to 99.99999% certainty.  :)

PL
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: zapnic on February 03, 2009, 07:38:10 PM

http://www.steorn.com/

 wait and see
 ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: ChileanOne on February 03, 2009, 08:50:22 PM
Well, here we go again. I always said to the Steorn naysayers that Steorn was alive, and kicking.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: NerzhDishual on February 03, 2009, 10:56:28 PM

Hi OU dot Com Guys,

Just my 2cents.
Paul_Lowrance seems to be very serious and to have deeply studied the magnetic subject. Respect.
I do think that he is right about Steorn. I mean: Steorn is into something tangible.

Tangible, indeed, but, certainly "capricious" according to the London (conscientiously?)
botched demo. "Capricious" = not so easy to stabilize (temperature sensitive?).

Now, will any 'OU' device from Steorn (or other 'established' company) officially and within
few 'couples of years', come onto the market is another (sad) story.  :'( . 
I do hope to be wrong!

IMHO, What could, in plain sight, come into the market is a device that is not claimed 'OU'
 (=/= self running for ex.) but merely 'very efficient'. An apparatus that could be 'OU' and was
kinda 'downgraded' to be 'politically and  scientifically correct'.  :)

--------------------------------

About where the NRG could come from:
A guy named Steven J. Smith could have a very (IMHO again) clever answer.
He uses conventional physics (no Eather).
 
Please see: "Population Inversion" in "Magneto Thermodynamics, The fine art of demonology".
No Vector Calculus ;D.
http://www.geocities.com/electrogravitics/mt1.html (http://www.geocities.com/electrogravitics/mt1.html)
http://www.geocities.com/electrogravitics/mt2.html (http://www.geocities.com/electrogravitics/mt2.html)
http://www.geocities.com/electrogravitics/mt3.html (http://www.geocities.com/electrogravitics/mt3.html)
From:
http://www.geocities.com/electrogravitics/ (http://www.geocities.com/electrogravitics/)

Very Best (from Brest!)
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: PaulLowrance on February 04, 2009, 12:59:10 AM
I hereby up my prediction to 99.99999% certainty.  :)

PL

There have been a lot of my predictions, so far no incorrect one yet. The above one will come true! :)

And here's another prediction -->  87% (+/- 12%) certainty there will be a legit self-running "free energy" vehicle displayed to the public in the year 2009.

PL


I do think that he is right about Steorn. I mean: Steorn is into something tangible.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: PaulLowrance on February 04, 2009, 06:47:07 PM
Quote from: PaulLowrance
I hereby up my prediction to 99.99999% certainty.  Smiley

Now that we know Steorn did *not* release some video documentary showing the gullibility of people, there's one last step to proving the above prediction, and that's getting companies to market products that use the Orbo.

It will be great!  At last, global free energy!!!  ;D

PL
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: Craigy on February 04, 2009, 10:32:32 PM
All of ths free energy stuff opens up a can of worms for govenments who will see all their tax disappear..in the end free won´t be free, you will need a licence to own one ..........bit like a tele in the uk..lol but if we make them in our garages Feck the government.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: PaulLowrance on February 04, 2009, 11:12:33 PM
All of ths free energy stuff opens up a can of worms for govenments who will see all their tax disappear..in the end free won´t be free, you will need a licence to own one ..........bit like a tele in the uk..lol but if we make them in our garages Feck the government.

Hi Craig. Perhaps you see the future well. IMO the governments you presently know will fade over time. Society is becoming more efficient. Things will happen.  People will begin to migrate away from the big cities. To form small communities of like-mindedness / of like interest -->

http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=267.0

PL
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: Bobbotov on June 22, 2009, 05:00:09 PM
The Steorn jury has returned a verdict: http://www.steorn.com/news/releases/?id=1151

"The unanimous verdict of the Jury is that Steorn's attempts to demonstrate the claim have not shown the production of energy. The jury is therefore ceasing work."



Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: canam101 on June 22, 2009, 06:48:45 PM
I admire Steorn and Sean McCarthy. Despite the verdict of the jury, Sean has stated that they will launch this year.

Amazing. The guy is either a conman with the gall of a Mark Goldes, or he has the goods, and damn well knows that fire2 will spread throughout the world this year. It's just that he didn't quite get things together in time for the jury to see what he had.

Even if he is a conman, you have to sort of admire such gall.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: Bobbotov on June 22, 2009, 06:56:00 PM
It's just that he didn't quite get things together in time for the jury to see what he had.


The jury was an open ended process so saying that Steorn was a day late and a dollar short is absurd. Especially since day one they said the technology was "always proven to work." Besides, if they knew they didn't have their act together then why spend $85K on the Economist ad to acquire the finest scientists they could only to have the jury spend two years cooling their heels waiting for the goods to be delivered and being compensated by Steorn during that process for incidental expenses? Also, if they did not have the tech ready until after the jury disbanded then why did they attempt the splashy Kinetica fiasco?

None of this makes any sense in terms of reality.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: canam101 on June 22, 2009, 07:12:23 PM
The jury was an open ended process so saying that Steorn was a day late and a dollar short is absurd. Especially since day one they said the technology was "always proven to work."
They meant that the readings on the test equipment always showed the anomaly.

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Besides, if they knew they didn't have their act together then why spend $85K on the Economist ad to acquire the finest scientists they could only to have the jury spend two years cooling their heels waiting for the goods to be delivered and being compensated by Steorn during that process for incidental expenses?
Obviously because they believed that they would be able to race ahead and turn the anomaly into a working device, and provide the jury with the plans for it in good time.

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Also, if they did not have the tech ready until after the jury disbanded then why did they attempt the splashy Kinetica fiasco?
Because they did have the tech ready, sort of. They were able to make a very fragile device that the Steorn Effect could turn - that is as far as they were able to get - and the thing was so fragile that the bearings melted. They made a sincere effort, but were unlucky/careless.

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None of this makes any sense in terms of reality.

It makes perfect sense to me: Steorn found some laboratory curiosity of an anomaly and thought they could see the way to quickly turn it into a useful device. The jury was a publicity scheme of some kind to give credence to their gizmo when they finally built it, but all they could come up with were ambiguous test results to give to the jury.

The jury finally had enough of looking at numbers, and after many requests to Steorn for a gizmo to play with, or the plans for one, they said 'we quit'.

Since then, Steorn has almost come up with a gizmo that isn't as fragile as a spider web, but it won't be ready for a few more months they figure; so they are saying 'toward the end of this year' for the launch to give themselves plenty of time.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: Bobbotov on June 22, 2009, 07:31:19 PM
They meant that the readings on the test equipment always showed the anomaly.
Obviously because they believed that they would be able to race ahead and turn the anomaly into a working device, and provide the jury with the plans for it in good time.
Because they did have the tech ready, sort of. They were able to make a very fragile device that the Steorn Effect could turn - that is as far as they were able to get - and the thing was so fragile that the bearings melted. They made a sincere effort, but were unlucky/careless.

It makes perfect sense to me: Steorn found some laboratory curiosity of an anomaly and thought they could see the way to quickly turn it into a useful device. The jury was a publicity scheme of some kind to give credence to their gizmo when they finally built it, but all they could come up with were ambiguous test results to give to the jury.

The jury finally had enough of looking at numbers, and after many requests to Steorn for a gizmo to play with, or the plans for one, they said 'we quit'.

Since then, Steorn has almost come up with a gizmo that isn't as fragile as a spider web, but it won't be ready for a few more months they figure; so they are saying 'toward the end of this year' for the launch to give themselves plenty of time.

They have had over six years playing with this thing and have made numerous public statements and over the top fait accompli claims and you are saying that they will have something in a few months? Is this a hunch?

Even before the jury they had shown this to various universities, they have had several incarnations of developers clubs who attested to the fact that no real substantive info was ever provided and now they have the "300 club" who are currently being kept busy with physics 101 lessons.

They made great importance of the jury as the verdict was to be the basis for Validation Day that would kick off commercial operations. Now the jury has spoken, the bastards, and they are going ahead with commercialization anyway? I think you were right originally about them having the brass balls of Mark Goldes who was an infrequent poster on the Steorn site giving them all kinds of kudos. Takes one to know one, right?

I think after following this for three years it is BS. The jury confirms this and the fact that Steorn do not have their ducks in a row, jumped the gun or are just plain opportunists does not speak well of their organization. Plus their past history is one failed business venture after another. The only thing they have excelled at is marketing and getting investor money. Delivering the goods is just not their thing.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: canam101 on June 22, 2009, 10:21:22 PM
I was thinking that it might be some kind of reality tv show, as Frank Grimer suggested at the start.

Maybe a 6-parter on RTE or the BBC. At least the documentary crew fits in with that.

What doesn't fit in is who got interviewed? Jury members? Members of the forum? There is nothing I have heard about forum members being interviewed; and they would have mentioned it surely. And without interviewing the patsies, it wouldn't be interesting.

Then there is the question of what Steorn is really up to if not trying to invent an Orbo. They could have a legitimate business, with the tv show as a sideline: something that can be put together over 3 or 4 years, when they have time from their real business.

But what *is* their real business? And wouldn't there be some public documentation of it? If they are all chartered accountants, surely there would be records available to show that.

Hard to know what is going on. If Orbo isn't spinning by the end of the year, I may be disappointed.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: lumen on June 23, 2009, 06:20:34 AM
Maybe you could build you own Orbo!
How about the ktoy plan?
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: wizardofmars on June 25, 2009, 10:02:03 AM
Amazing. The guy is either a conman with the gall of a Mark Goldes...

There is no 'either' about it. Did you read the 2007 report by Dr Mike, the American physicist/engineer who Steorn agreed to meet with for the London demo? He stated flat out that Sean was delusional, and he has been proven right. All that Steorn has left is the 'true believers' and in that sense they are like a cult, with no rational belief system outside blind faith.

It's no surprise to me. There are thousands of delusional con artists out there - Mylow, Archer and Sterling come to mind as three that have been exposed in the last year here at OU. Most of them just don't get Steorn's level of publicity.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: canam101 on June 25, 2009, 01:39:24 PM
Mike also said that Sean thought he could see the orbo spinning when it was not spinning - that is what he meant by 'delusional'.

Mike is just an armchair psychologist spouting rubbish. I don't believe for a second that an entire firm of people, or even the top 3 or 4, would continue to believe they had something when there was nothing.

I don't mean there is necessarily anything useful, but they must have some anomaly that they are trying to exploit.

And since they haven't been able to exploit it - scale it up - in six years, they probably never will, and may just be coasting and keeping the paychecks coming in.

And it is probably easy to coast with a fairly clear conscience if you keep seeing some blip of apparently extra energy.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: also antlike on June 25, 2009, 03:26:39 PM
Mike also said that Sean thought he could see the orbo spinning when it was not spinning - that is what he meant by 'delusional'.

Mike is just an armchair psychologist spouting rubbish. I don't believe for a second that an entire firm of people, or even the top 3 or 4, would continue to believe they had something when there was nothing.

I don't mean there is necessarily anything useful, but they must have some anomaly that they are trying to exploit.

And since they haven't been able to exploit it - scale it up - in six years, they probably never will, and may just be coasting and keeping the paychecks coming in.

And it is probably easy to coast with a fairly clear conscience if you keep seeing some blip of apparently extra energy.

You don't believe that 3 or 4 (paid) people could believe something when there is nothing?  Really?  What about the 2 billion Christians in the world and 1.5 billion Muslims?

Look, there was no anomaly.  There was nothing that modern science could not explain, and the jury basically said as much.  No energy gain.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: Bobbotov on June 25, 2009, 07:05:38 PM

I don't mean there is necessarily anything useful, but they must have some anomaly that they are trying to exploit.


The anomaly was finding a dozen Rubes that would put up $15M. As it turns out that was easier (and more lucrative) to do than producing OU.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: lumen on June 25, 2009, 11:05:07 PM
Well, if nothing else, we should all find out by years end when they release the restricted learning modules. I believe they already started releasing these at three a week, to the chosen 300, and will continue through August.
 
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: stprue on June 26, 2009, 07:13:05 PM
I spent so many times going over the math time after time. It is so clear cut. It's too bad that Tom Schum persistently asked me to study his diode array, when I was just ~ two months away from building my first "free energy" machine based on my magnetic theory!  :'(

PL

I f you are so sure you can build it then why haven't you? Cost? Buying thousands of diodes aren't cheap either.

Build it now!
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: canam101 on July 01, 2009, 10:58:28 PM
My guess is that steorn has found an anomaly they can't explain, but that they can't scale up.

They hired the jury and gave them data from their tests. The jury looked at the data and said 'this anomaly could be due to lots of non-OU things, but we need more data to decide exactly what it is due to'.

Steorn gave them more data, but that did not eliminate the non-OU possibilities.

After several cycles of this, both Steorn and the jury had had enough and the jury quit.

Steorn now makes a MarkGoldes-type announcement:

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during 2009 the company had resolved the key technical problems related to the implementation of Orbo and is now focused on commercial launch towards the end of this year

They're focused on it all right. My prediction is that the company will fold by the end of the year.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: Bobbotov on July 04, 2009, 03:58:06 PM


They're focused on it all right. My prediction is that the company will fold by the end of the year.

I understand where you are coming from but many of these free energy companies go on for years without really having anything. For something that you would think is so clear cut (free energy) the truth is these companies are very murky in their operations. They make many promises and are always holding the carrot out to keep the interest going but like the fate of Tantalus, you can never really get a good bite out of it. They do however excel at getting funding to keep them going and in the final analysis that may be what they are all about. Few technologies that actually see the light of day have so many opposing forces: scammers, frauds, MiBs, delusion, etc. It makes the whole field of endeavor suspect.

If Steorn never delivers anything they will just be another company that exploits free energy to acquire things for themselves. It is human nature unfortunately to exploit bad situations; in this case the world's energy crisis. You see it after major disasters, pandemics, wars, etc. There will always be those who have few scruples and cash in on people's anxiety, misery and desire to hope.

This is not to say that there aren't those who truly and earnestly work to achieve what has been perceived as impossible but their efforts are clouded by so many that have less than altruistic aims. Essentially it becomes the definition of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Then there is the resistance of classical science. Trying to get respect for working in this area is an uphill battle and Steorn took advantage of that with its jury approach. Now it is being said that the jury did not do due diligence because of their propensity in securing Conservation of Energy. I am not so sure about that but the perception of science being the deal killer is prevalent.

In any case it will be interesting to see how this plays out in the long run. With Steorn's commitment to go commercial by years' end they have painted themselves into a corner if such does not come to pass. I have followed the story since the Economist ad and it has been a very bizarre journey full of secrecy, prevarication, failed deliverable, broken promises, change in direction, etc. Steorn as a company since the dot com days has changed its focus many times and who knows if this is not just another area that they exploit and then abandon to move onto something else.

We'll see said the blind man.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: solinear on July 04, 2009, 05:54:09 PM
I think that they did find an anomaly, but it's one that could probably be explained with physics and won't scale up beyond a very small scale and probably isn't over unity.  The fact that they can't scale it up tells me that there is something suspect about their design.  Kinda like those pendulum/vibrating bar over unity designs - they're based on something that can't scale up beyond the small scale (25-50 watts).  Those may be over unity, but they're useless without a gravity well and can't scale up very well.

If they can keep getting money, then they won't fold.  It's not uncommon for someone to keep chasing after that golden ticket.  It's the reason people go to Las Vegas,  play the lottery and those sorts of things.  I don't think that they're purely fraudulent, I just don't think that they've found anything that can be used in a large scale design, even if it is over unity. 

There's one simple reality: It either scales or it doesn't and theirs looks like it doesn't.  It shouldn't take them three years to scale up from the <1 watt level to >1kw scale.  Heck, it shouldn't take them more than six months.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: Bobbotov on July 04, 2009, 06:40:35 PM
I think that they did find an anomaly, but it's one that could probably be explained with physics and won't scale up beyond a very small scale and probably isn't over unity.  The fact that they can't scale it up tells me that there is something suspect about their design.  Kinda like those pendulum/vibrating bar over unity designs - they're based on something that can't scale up beyond the small scale (25-50 watts).  Those may be over unity, but they're useless without a gravity well and can't scale up very well.

If they can keep getting money, then they won't fold.  It's not uncommon for someone to keep chasing after that golden ticket.  It's the reason people go to Las Vegas,  play the lottery and those sorts of things.  I don't think that they're purely fraudulent, I just don't think that they've found anything that can be used in a large scale design, even if it is over unity. 

There's one simple reality: It either scales or it doesn't and theirs looks like it doesn't.  It shouldn't take them three years to scale up from the <1 watt level to >1kw scale.  Heck, it shouldn't take them more than six months.

It is difficult to say what they have if anything. Their inner circle of the Steorn Private Development Club was not permitted to talk due to signing a non-disclosure agreement. In fact everyone directly associated with Steorn is required to sign one. This just keeps the opacity intact. However, a few inner circle members that have spoken have said adamantly either Steorn really has the goods or Steorn has nothing. So even exposure to whatever information is extant is not clear cut. Obviously the jury felt they had nothing after two and half years of deliberating. While speculation as to what transpired between Steorn and the jury is rife no one really knows except those directly involved and they ain't talking. The jury isn't even going to issue a report as to what they did. Makes the whole thing pointless and a waste of time especially since Steorn had built their whole business plan around the jury validation. Perhaps wasting time is what Steorn wanted. As to replication for the technology there are those who have said they have done it and others who said they cannot. So it is always pro versus con to the extent that they pretty much cancel each other out.

It truly is an engima wrapped in a paradox. My only take on it as I am not a member of the inner circle is based not on what they say but rather on their public actions and they have been pretty atrocious. They have lied, stretched the truth, performed poorly (failed demonstration at Kinetica), not delivered what they said they would when they said they would (free energy water pumps for impoverished African communities, second demo, second SPDC group), kept everything ultra secret, and finally stopped talking to the public at all (after the demonstration fiasco in 2007). Except in a couple of talking initiatives they held in the Middle East of all places a few months ago, they are completely secluded. They were PowerPoint talks with no display of the tech itself. Very unsatisfying and seemed geared possibly to garnering new investment as they have no income except a few recent conventional products (Hall probe, torque measurement system) they are offering. Sales of which, if any, are unknown but certainly not enough to keep the whole enterprise (twenty some people) going. They also said they would be offering something called ZeroF bearings in the future but with the caveat that they may refuse to sell if the potential buyer does not meet their whims. Very weird.

An audit report done two years ago concluded that the viability of Steorn was dependent on them developing a working prototype. This is odd in itself as Steorn has said all along that prototypes were a fait accompli and they have many designs in operation. No recent audit has surfaced to reveal what the financial status of the company is beyond their initial investment income. How they sustain themselves is also a mystery and yet they do not seem in any way concerned and ridicule those who think they are running out of cash.

They are now embarked on a training program for ostensibly 300 engineers  that will take them through August and the one member of that group who reported on it said it was like the introduction to Physics 101 and he was bored. He was subsequently ejected from the group for talking out of school. It is almost like Scientology which just adds more oddness to the mystery.

I can truthfully say as a person who worked in engineering for a large telecommunication company for over twenty years I have never seen such an oddball company. Nothing they do makes any sense at any level regardless of whether the tech is real or not. Perhaps it makes more sense to people who ardently believe but two decades of working in engineering has made me a tad jaded with skepticism about things that are too good to be true. Perhaps if I had worked in Marketing for that long I might be more predisposed to believe pie in the sky promises. I guess I am just too pragmatic at this point.

Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: wizardofmars on August 15, 2010, 01:28:16 AM
I predict with 99.999% certainty that Steorn orbo is a legit "free energy" machine!!! 

How is your prediction working out Paul?  ;D
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: exnihiloest on August 15, 2010, 11:56:26 AM
Sean from Steorn has said in public that the conventional electromagnetic theory mathematics makes it very clear.
...

The electromagnetism theory is internally consistant and fully compatible with mechanics, special relativity and thermodynamics.
If Steorn's motor was overunity, this would mean that either the actual laws of physics are wrong or there is a hidden source of energy not yet found.
The "conventional electromagnetic theory mathematics" disproves OU. The fact that Steorn asserts the contrary proves that they don't deal correctly with the theory. And as their claim of OU is only based on a particular interpretation of the measurement process according to their incorrect understanding of physics laws, we can bet that they have nothing at all. And my viewpoint is that today, they know it.

Now it is question that Steorn could have realized a Maxwell's demon. Despite the fact it is a controversial subject and the majority of physicists think it is not possible, this circumvention of the second law of thermodynamics is still discussed in academic publications. So it is a way for Steorn to get credibility although it is very far from being demonstrated.

Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: exnihiloest on August 15, 2010, 12:24:37 PM
Did you noticed the young engineer who performed the Steorn's demo in January? Sad and resigned, acting under control.
If I believed that what I am demonstrating is real and a revolution for humanity, I would be much more enthusiastic and look convinced!

Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: spinn_MP on August 15, 2010, 12:52:08 PM
BTW, how many members of this site have applied for the Steorn's secret SKDB knowledge (419€)?

Just wander...
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: Omnibus on August 15, 2010, 02:01:50 PM
The electromagnetism theory is internally consistant and fully compatible with mechanics, special relativity and thermodynamics.
If Steorn's motor was overunity, this would mean that either the actual laws of physics are wrong or there is a hidden source of energy not yet found.
The "conventional electromagnetic theory mathematics" disproves OU. The fact that Steorn asserts the contrary proves that they don't deal correctly with the theory. And as their claim of OU is only based on a particular interpretation of the measurement process according to their incorrect understanding of physics laws, we can bet that they have nothing at all. And my viewpoint is that today, they know it.

Now it is question that Steorn could have realized a Maxwell's demon. Despite the fact it is a controversial subject and the majority of physicists think it is not possible, this circumvention of the second law of thermodynamics is still discussed in academic publications. So it is a way for Steorn to get credibility although it is very far from being demonstrated.

The above is a writing of a person who doesn't have a clue but tries to give the appearance he understands something. Special theory of relativity is an internally inconsistent theory which has no place in physics. It is not even a theory but sheer nonsense. Therefroe, is is out of the question to claim that electromagnetic theory is compatible with it.

Further, I have lready shown conclusively that overunity is contained inherently in the electromagnetic theory. This fact doesn't show that the current laws of physics are wrong but that certain aspects of these laws haven't been known Thus, the generalization by the amateur physicist Mayer regarding the conservation of energy does not reflect reality.

As for Sreorn, it very well may be that they have achieved overunity with their model. This has to be confirmed by independent parties and not within their SKDB. However, even if they haven't OU is real as I have already show in three different ways.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: Omnibus on August 15, 2010, 02:07:58 PM
Did you noticed the young engineer who performed the Steorn's demo in January? Sad and resigned, acting under control.
If I believed that what I am demonstrating is real and a revolution for humanity, I would be much more enthusiastic and look convinced!

That's hilarious. I've met him personally and my impression of him is just the opposite. It also very well may be that he is one of the originators of this whole idea.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: exnihiloest on August 16, 2010, 11:44:31 AM
The above is a writing of a person who doesn't have a clue but tries to give the appearance he understands something.
Special theory of relativity is an internally inconsistent theory which has no place in physics.
...

The above is a writing of a person who considers that Einstein is an idiot :D and is unable to reply with rational arguments. Against his intellectual opponents his verbiage is limited to personal attacks and professions of faith.

Special theory is fully compatible with Maxwell's theory. The Lorentz transforms explain how an electric field is viewed as a magnetic field (and vice versa) from different reference frames. The way in which Ampere's wires experiment can also be entirely treated with special relativity as a result of length contraction of moving charges is a wonderful proof of the power of Einstein's theory and of the internal consistency of both SR and Maxwell's theory.
Outside of the case of a hypothetical break of the second law of thermodynamics, there is no scientific way for Steorn to affirm that his device shows OU while working according to the conventional laws of electromagnetism, it is one or the other, not both.



Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: Omnibus on August 16, 2010, 12:07:16 PM
The above is a writing of a person who considers that Einstein is an idiot :D and is unable to reply with rational arguments. Against his intellectual opponents his verbiage is limited to personal attacks and professions of faith.

Special theory is fully compatible with Maxwell's theory. The Lorentz transforms explain how an electric field is viewed as a magnetic field (and vice versa) from different reference frames. The way in which Ampere's wires experiment can also be entirely treated with special relativity as a result of length contraction of moving charges is a wonderful proof of the power of Einstein's theory and of the internal consistency of both SR and Maxwell's theory.
Outside of the case of a hypothetical break of the second law of thermodynamics, there is no scientific way for Steorn to affirm that his device shows OU while working according to the conventional laws of electromagnetism, it is one or the other, not both.

The above is written by someone who is not only completely incompetent, as seen by what he has just written, but is impudently pushing himself to appear as an expert. This is one of the most useless and even harmful participants in this forum because he puts a facade of a know-it-all which can deceive some less experienced in the scientific matters. Not to say that spewing gibberish, as he does, disrupts important discussions.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: ramset on August 16, 2010, 03:33:50 PM
Fella's
Lets get above  "The Above"

Its a very old and very "young" game

Chet
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: exnihiloest on August 17, 2010, 09:51:40 AM
The above is written by someone who is not only completely incompetent, as seen by what he has just written, but is impudently pushing himself to appear as an expert.
...

"Special theory of relativity is an internally inconsistent theory which has no place in physics."
Omnibus, 15/08/2010

Anyone can understand who is incompetent and "pushing himself to appear as an expert". What did I say? not even an expert, a real (self-proclaimed) genius!
In tribute to His omniscience for debunking all the laws of physics written for centuries by incompetent people and to His contribution in discrediting swindlers like Eintein, I propose to rename him Omnistein.    ;D

Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: Omnibus on August 17, 2010, 10:26:45 AM
"Special theory of relativity is an internally inconsistent theory which has no place in physics."
Omnibus, 15/08/2010

Anyone can understand who is incompetent and "pushing himself to appear as an expert". What did I say? not even an expert, a real (self-proclaimed) genius!
In tribute to His omniscience for debunking all the laws of physics written for centuries by incompetent people and to His contribution in discrediting swindlers like Eintein, I propose to rename him Omnistein.    ;D

You are the incompetent.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: exnihiloest on August 17, 2010, 12:16:51 PM
You are the incompetent.

"Special theory of relativity is an internally inconsistent theory which has no place in physics."
Omnibus, 15/08/2010    :D :D :D

In this austere domain of free energy, I'm very pleased we have an omniclown on this forum for recreations.

Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: Omnibus on August 17, 2010, 04:07:18 PM
"Special theory of relativity is an internally inconsistent theory which has no place in physics."
Omnibus, 15/08/2010    :D :D :D

In this austere domain of free energy, I'm very pleased we have an omniclown on this forum for recreations.

You're the clown obviously because you think that what you've cited is obviously not true just because you''ve cited it. It is true, though, but you're incompetent to know it. Austere or not, it's better to have fewer disruptive clown such as you in this site.
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: Low-Q on August 17, 2010, 08:50:26 PM
To all:
It is better to ignore bad behavior. According to a good way of raising children, the good behavior are focused on, and the bad behavior are ignored. In this way the child will learn that bad behavior will not pay off, or be a way to get attention.

In the case of Omnibus, please ignore his post, and stick to the subject - maybe he one day will try a better way to get our attention ;)

Vidar
Title: Re: My Steorn prediction
Post by: Omnibus on August 17, 2010, 08:52:16 PM
To all:
It is better to ignore bad behavior. According to a good way of raising children, the good behavior are focused on, and the bad behavior are ignored. In this way the child will learn that bad behavior will not pay off, or be a way to get attention.

In the case of Omnibus, please ignore his post, and stick to the subject - maybe he one day will try a better way to get our attention ;)

Vidar

Ignore posts of aggressively incompetent elements such as you. This is what a reasonable participant should do.