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Offline Bobbotov

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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2009, 06:40:35 PM »
I think that they did find an anomaly, but it's one that could probably be explained with physics and won't scale up beyond a very small scale and probably isn't over unity.  The fact that they can't scale it up tells me that there is something suspect about their design.  Kinda like those pendulum/vibrating bar over unity designs - they're based on something that can't scale up beyond the small scale (25-50 watts).  Those may be over unity, but they're useless without a gravity well and can't scale up very well.

If they can keep getting money, then they won't fold.  It's not uncommon for someone to keep chasing after that golden ticket.  It's the reason people go to Las Vegas,  play the lottery and those sorts of things.  I don't think that they're purely fraudulent, I just don't think that they've found anything that can be used in a large scale design, even if it is over unity. 

There's one simple reality: It either scales or it doesn't and theirs looks like it doesn't.  It shouldn't take them three years to scale up from the <1 watt level to >1kw scale.  Heck, it shouldn't take them more than six months.

It is difficult to say what they have if anything. Their inner circle of the Steorn Private Development Club was not permitted to talk due to signing a non-disclosure agreement. In fact everyone directly associated with Steorn is required to sign one. This just keeps the opacity intact. However, a few inner circle members that have spoken have said adamantly either Steorn really has the goods or Steorn has nothing. So even exposure to whatever information is extant is not clear cut. Obviously the jury felt they had nothing after two and half years of deliberating. While speculation as to what transpired between Steorn and the jury is rife no one really knows except those directly involved and they ain't talking. The jury isn't even going to issue a report as to what they did. Makes the whole thing pointless and a waste of time especially since Steorn had built their whole business plan around the jury validation. Perhaps wasting time is what Steorn wanted. As to replication for the technology there are those who have said they have done it and others who said they cannot. So it is always pro versus con to the extent that they pretty much cancel each other out.

It truly is an engima wrapped in a paradox. My only take on it as I am not a member of the inner circle is based not on what they say but rather on their public actions and they have been pretty atrocious. They have lied, stretched the truth, performed poorly (failed demonstration at Kinetica), not delivered what they said they would when they said they would (free energy water pumps for impoverished African communities, second demo, second SPDC group), kept everything ultra secret, and finally stopped talking to the public at all (after the demonstration fiasco in 2007). Except in a couple of talking initiatives they held in the Middle East of all places a few months ago, they are completely secluded. They were PowerPoint talks with no display of the tech itself. Very unsatisfying and seemed geared possibly to garnering new investment as they have no income except a few recent conventional products (Hall probe, torque measurement system) they are offering. Sales of which, if any, are unknown but certainly not enough to keep the whole enterprise (twenty some people) going. They also said they would be offering something called ZeroF bearings in the future but with the caveat that they may refuse to sell if the potential buyer does not meet their whims. Very weird.

An audit report done two years ago concluded that the viability of Steorn was dependent on them developing a working prototype. This is odd in itself as Steorn has said all along that prototypes were a fait accompli and they have many designs in operation. No recent audit has surfaced to reveal what the financial status of the company is beyond their initial investment income. How they sustain themselves is also a mystery and yet they do not seem in any way concerned and ridicule those who think they are running out of cash.

They are now embarked on a training program for ostensibly 300 engineers  that will take them through August and the one member of that group who reported on it said it was like the introduction to Physics 101 and he was bored. He was subsequently ejected from the group for talking out of school. It is almost like Scientology which just adds more oddness to the mystery.

I can truthfully say as a person who worked in engineering for a large telecommunication company for over twenty years I have never seen such an oddball company. Nothing they do makes any sense at any level regardless of whether the tech is real or not. Perhaps it makes more sense to people who ardently believe but two decades of working in engineering has made me a tad jaded with skepticism about things that are too good to be true. Perhaps if I had worked in Marketing for that long I might be more predisposed to believe pie in the sky promises. I guess I am just too pragmatic at this point.


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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2009, 06:40:35 PM »

Offline wizardofmars

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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2010, 01:28:16 AM »
I predict with 99.999% certainty that Steorn orbo is a legit "free energy" machine!!! 

How is your prediction working out Paul?  ;D

Offline exnihiloest

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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2010, 11:56:26 AM »
Sean from Steorn has said in public that the conventional electromagnetic theory mathematics makes it very clear.
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The electromagnetism theory is internally consistant and fully compatible with mechanics, special relativity and thermodynamics.
If Steorn's motor was overunity, this would mean that either the actual laws of physics are wrong or there is a hidden source of energy not yet found.
The "conventional electromagnetic theory mathematics" disproves OU. The fact that Steorn asserts the contrary proves that they don't deal correctly with the theory. And as their claim of OU is only based on a particular interpretation of the measurement process according to their incorrect understanding of physics laws, we can bet that they have nothing at all. And my viewpoint is that today, they know it.

Now it is question that Steorn could have realized a Maxwell's demon. Despite the fact it is a controversial subject and the majority of physicists think it is not possible, this circumvention of the second law of thermodynamics is still discussed in academic publications. So it is a way for Steorn to get credibility although it is very far from being demonstrated.


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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2010, 11:56:26 AM »
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Offline exnihiloest

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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2010, 12:24:37 PM »
Did you noticed the young engineer who performed the Steorn's demo in January? Sad and resigned, acting under control.
If I believed that what I am demonstrating is real and a revolution for humanity, I would be much more enthusiastic and look convinced!


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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2010, 12:52:08 PM »
BTW, how many members of this site have applied for the Steorn's secret SKDB knowledge (419€)?

Just wander...

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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2010, 12:52:08 PM »
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Offline Omnibus

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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #35 on: August 15, 2010, 02:01:50 PM »
The electromagnetism theory is internally consistant and fully compatible with mechanics, special relativity and thermodynamics.
If Steorn's motor was overunity, this would mean that either the actual laws of physics are wrong or there is a hidden source of energy not yet found.
The "conventional electromagnetic theory mathematics" disproves OU. The fact that Steorn asserts the contrary proves that they don't deal correctly with the theory. And as their claim of OU is only based on a particular interpretation of the measurement process according to their incorrect understanding of physics laws, we can bet that they have nothing at all. And my viewpoint is that today, they know it.

Now it is question that Steorn could have realized a Maxwell's demon. Despite the fact it is a controversial subject and the majority of physicists think it is not possible, this circumvention of the second law of thermodynamics is still discussed in academic publications. So it is a way for Steorn to get credibility although it is very far from being demonstrated.

The above is a writing of a person who doesn't have a clue but tries to give the appearance he understands something. Special theory of relativity is an internally inconsistent theory which has no place in physics. It is not even a theory but sheer nonsense. Therefroe, is is out of the question to claim that electromagnetic theory is compatible with it.

Further, I have lready shown conclusively that overunity is contained inherently in the electromagnetic theory. This fact doesn't show that the current laws of physics are wrong but that certain aspects of these laws haven't been known Thus, the generalization by the amateur physicist Mayer regarding the conservation of energy does not reflect reality.

As for Sreorn, it very well may be that they have achieved overunity with their model. This has to be confirmed by independent parties and not within their SKDB. However, even if they haven't OU is real as I have already show in three different ways.

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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2010, 02:07:58 PM »
Did you noticed the young engineer who performed the Steorn's demo in January? Sad and resigned, acting under control.
If I believed that what I am demonstrating is real and a revolution for humanity, I would be much more enthusiastic and look convinced!

That's hilarious. I've met him personally and my impression of him is just the opposite. It also very well may be that he is one of the originators of this whole idea.

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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #36 on: August 15, 2010, 02:07:58 PM »
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Offline exnihiloest

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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #37 on: August 16, 2010, 11:44:31 AM »
The above is a writing of a person who doesn't have a clue but tries to give the appearance he understands something.
Special theory of relativity is an internally inconsistent theory which has no place in physics.
...

The above is a writing of a person who considers that Einstein is an idiot :D and is unable to reply with rational arguments. Against his intellectual opponents his verbiage is limited to personal attacks and professions of faith.

Special theory is fully compatible with Maxwell's theory. The Lorentz transforms explain how an electric field is viewed as a magnetic field (and vice versa) from different reference frames. The way in which Ampere's wires experiment can also be entirely treated with special relativity as a result of length contraction of moving charges is a wonderful proof of the power of Einstein's theory and of the internal consistency of both SR and Maxwell's theory.
Outside of the case of a hypothetical break of the second law of thermodynamics, there is no scientific way for Steorn to affirm that his device shows OU while working according to the conventional laws of electromagnetism, it is one or the other, not both.




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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2010, 12:07:16 PM »
The above is a writing of a person who considers that Einstein is an idiot :D and is unable to reply with rational arguments. Against his intellectual opponents his verbiage is limited to personal attacks and professions of faith.

Special theory is fully compatible with Maxwell's theory. The Lorentz transforms explain how an electric field is viewed as a magnetic field (and vice versa) from different reference frames. The way in which Ampere's wires experiment can also be entirely treated with special relativity as a result of length contraction of moving charges is a wonderful proof of the power of Einstein's theory and of the internal consistency of both SR and Maxwell's theory.
Outside of the case of a hypothetical break of the second law of thermodynamics, there is no scientific way for Steorn to affirm that his device shows OU while working according to the conventional laws of electromagnetism, it is one or the other, not both.

The above is written by someone who is not only completely incompetent, as seen by what he has just written, but is impudently pushing himself to appear as an expert. This is one of the most useless and even harmful participants in this forum because he puts a facade of a know-it-all which can deceive some less experienced in the scientific matters. Not to say that spewing gibberish, as he does, disrupts important discussions.

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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #38 on: August 16, 2010, 12:07:16 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #39 on: August 16, 2010, 03:33:50 PM »
Fella's
Lets get above  "The Above"

Its a very old and very "young" game

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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2010, 09:51:40 AM »
The above is written by someone who is not only completely incompetent, as seen by what he has just written, but is impudently pushing himself to appear as an expert.
...

"Special theory of relativity is an internally inconsistent theory which has no place in physics."
Omnibus, 15/08/2010

Anyone can understand who is incompetent and "pushing himself to appear as an expert". What did I say? not even an expert, a real (self-proclaimed) genius!
In tribute to His omniscience for debunking all the laws of physics written for centuries by incompetent people and to His contribution in discrediting swindlers like Eintein, I propose to rename him Omnistein.    ;D


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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2010, 09:51:40 AM »
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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2010, 10:26:45 AM »
"Special theory of relativity is an internally inconsistent theory which has no place in physics."
Omnibus, 15/08/2010

Anyone can understand who is incompetent and "pushing himself to appear as an expert". What did I say? not even an expert, a real (self-proclaimed) genius!
In tribute to His omniscience for debunking all the laws of physics written for centuries by incompetent people and to His contribution in discrediting swindlers like Eintein, I propose to rename him Omnistein.    ;D

You are the incompetent.

Offline exnihiloest

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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2010, 12:16:51 PM »
You are the incompetent.

"Special theory of relativity is an internally inconsistent theory which has no place in physics."
Omnibus, 15/08/2010    :D :D :D

In this austere domain of free energy, I'm very pleased we have an omniclown on this forum for recreations.


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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #43 on: August 17, 2010, 04:07:18 PM »
"Special theory of relativity is an internally inconsistent theory which has no place in physics."
Omnibus, 15/08/2010    :D :D :D

In this austere domain of free energy, I'm very pleased we have an omniclown on this forum for recreations.

You're the clown obviously because you think that what you've cited is obviously not true just because you''ve cited it. It is true, though, but you're incompetent to know it. Austere or not, it's better to have fewer disruptive clown such as you in this site.

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Re: My Steorn prediction
« Reply #44 on: August 17, 2010, 08:50:26 PM »
To all:
It is better to ignore bad behavior. According to a good way of raising children, the good behavior are focused on, and the bad behavior are ignored. In this way the child will learn that bad behavior will not pay off, or be a way to get attention.

In the case of Omnibus, please ignore his post, and stick to the subject - maybe he one day will try a better way to get our attention ;)

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