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Author Topic: Should we build a TPU?  (Read 7294 times)

ben8807

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Should we build a TPU?
« on: January 16, 2009, 04:54:55 AM »
The TPU as described by SM has some inherent flaws. Assuming the information and quotes we have are accurate for the construction of an actual device the real question is do we really want to build one?

It uses several frequencies pulsed through coils. Possibly toroidal coils pulsed at their transverse resonance frequency to cause a continuous EM wave heterodyned to simulate lower frequencies. At the precise frequency required huge uncontrollable amounts of energy are generated. The power is only limited by the survivability of the equipment. As stated with the exploding TV comments this can be enormous. Yes, I'm sure there are ways to control it. We can control nuclear power to create electricity, but that is not the point.

Now forgive me for being a naysayer, but I have not seen anything on this board remotely similar to this description. If a device did exist capable of doing this it would be the electrical equivalent to an atom bomb, but constructed out of easy to find components. Military application? Well imagine if you could make an atom bomb from a chemistry set.

There comes a time to step back and stop wondering if you can do something and instead wonder if you should.

The more I think about it the more I am convinced that this technology if it exists is too dangerous to exist. I have my own theories, but if I do create a device it will be for my own knowledge. The world does not need this power. We are not ready for this power, and no good can come from the creation of such power. This is much worse than the genie Oppenheimer and Einstein so desperately wish they could have put back in the bottle.

Michelinho

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Re: Should we build a TPU?
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2009, 08:14:24 AM »

@ ben8807,

I don't think at this stage we have the option of saying "No".

We will need any working concept just to survive in a decent way. After the 20th, there gonna be no miracles in the finance sector, jobs will vaporize as hyperinflation hits the World.

The TPU might not be the safest thing to build but keeping it secret or just leaking hints is far less safe than if it was tried with a good tutorial with safety in mind and safety in words. I, personally would not try to make one because I heard wise words, I have someone who has the capacity and the instruments to replicate the TPU without problem. Some may get hurt but some may get hurt by trying without the whole picture too. I know my limits and others do too.

Take care,

Michel


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Re: Should we build a TPU?
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2009, 09:23:27 AM »
We are not ready for it?
Have a look at all the wars in the world and tell me what are they all about.It's all about energy, in some form or another and all that energy is needed just for only one thing, to survive.So we can say that all that mess we see around us is all about surviving.
Now, if I would be allowed to have a such source of energy I could grow my own food using aquaponics, get water from thin air,warming my home during the cold winter and actually do all things i ever wanted to do.Basically everyone on this earth have the natural born right to live but all of us have to pay for just living.As long as one have to pay for energy just for living there will be wars and the many will suffer.Energy must be free for all not just for few.

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Re: Should we build a TPU?
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2009, 10:12:34 AM »
@ ben8807,

I don't think at this stage we have the option of saying "No".

We will need any working concept just to survive in a decent way. After the 20th, there gonna be no miracles in the finance sector, jobs will vaporize as hyperinflation hits the World.

The TPU might not be the safest thing to build but keeping it secret or just leaking hints is far less safe than if it was tried with a good tutorial with safety in mind and safety in words. I, personally would not try to make one because I heard wise words, I have someone who has the capacity and the instruments to replicate the TPU without problem. Some may get hurt but some may get hurt by trying without the whole picture too. I know my limits and others do too.

Take care,

Michel


bonjour Michel

as tu vu ceci : ( did you see that ?)

http://www.econologie.info/share/partager/1232026693GKOdmi.jpg

I think some part looks like a TPU

I have opened a thread in french here

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6584.msg150834#msg150834

Yucca

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Re: Should we build a TPU?
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2009, 05:02:20 AM »
I don´t think pound for pound a TPU could be anywhere near as devestating as an atom bomb.

It may be in the high explosives class though, not sure of exactly how the failure mode would pan out, maybe if the collector coil went short it could cause a plasma arc explosion which might be quite a good crack when all that momentum in the aether stops dead in its tracks due to a fat plasma toroid forming (the perfect short!!). So Maybe its better to experiment with smaller ones with low collector coil mass.

When initially attempting closed loop it wouldn´t hurt to do it outside in a hole dug in earth or make a sandbag container etc.

Just be careful with it until the beast is tamed, use fuses and don´t rush into closed loop and make sure collector coils have resilient insulation.

From what i´ve read the guys here doing serious work on the TPU are quite aware of the potential dangers and take precautions even when not closing the loop.

edit:
also the exploding TV incident, while it was fatal to one poor kid it didn´t even take any interior walls out so as far as explosions go it wasn´t that big. What was weird and frightening were the corscrewed nails and bits of metal dragged toward the set.

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Re: Should we build a TPU?
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2009, 06:05:19 AM »
If memory serves me well it was implosion and the kid had metal in his back and backside of the head.
Tesla claimed the ability to knock missles out of the sky. Metal and this force or synchopated waves seem to attract each other.
I found another TV problem of this size in Great Britain 2 years ago. Don't have the link anymore.

« Last Edit: January 17, 2009, 05:28:49 PM by giantkiller »

Goat

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Re: Should we build a TPU?
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2009, 07:15:12 AM »
The TPU as described by SM has some inherent flaws. Assuming the information and quotes we have are accurate for the construction of an actual device the real question is do we really want to build one?

It uses several frequencies pulsed through coils. Possibly toroidal coils pulsed at their transverse resonance frequency to cause a continuous EM wave heterodyned to simulate lower frequencies. At the precise frequency required huge uncontrollable amounts of energy are generated. The power is only limited by the survivability of the equipment. As stated with the exploding TV comments this can be enormous. Yes, I'm sure there are ways to control it. We can control nuclear power to create electricity, but that is not the point.

Now forgive me for being a naysayer, but I have not seen anything on this board remotely similar to this description. If a device did exist capable of doing this it would be the electrical equivalent to an atom bomb, but constructed out of easy to find components. Military application? Well imagine if you could make an atom bomb from a chemistry set.

There comes a time to step back and stop wondering if you can do something and instead wonder if you should.

The more I think about it the more I am convinced that this technology if it exists is too dangerous to exist. I have my own theories, but if I do create a device it will be for my own knowledge. The world does not need this power. We are not ready for this power, and no good can come from the creation of such power. This is much worse than the genie Oppenheimer and Einstein so desperately wish they could have put back in the bottle.

@ ben8807 & All

No offense but my 2 cent opinion is that "The world does not need this power. We are not ready for this power" is a false thought brought about the people that control us in that  they don't want their economy to fall apart.  There appears to be a movement in thought that we shouldn't invent anything that could destroy our current economy. 

Ask yourself this:

Is our current global economy stable? 

Could we benefit from this disruptive technology and be able to better this world to the point where war over energy and resources would become useless?

As long as it's used wisely this kind of technology or any other that gets us OU we could use to change this world for the better.

Nikola Tesla had the power to disrupt the slave system and bring us unmetered power and look what happened, is it any wonder the TPU if possible is being suppressed?

I was born a farmer and after several failed attempts at making a living delivering FOOD to people we ended up squashed by the "Corporate Farming/Government" marriage made in hell, I gave up. 

Yes, disruptive technologies can create havoc on this earth if not used to feed/shelter/heat/cool/light and power the general population, meanwhile greedy piss ants are screwing us all over every chance they get.

Given the above statement which do you think would be the best option?

The earth has been and continues to be desecrated by Nuclear bombs and other atrocities of the war machine, why would you want to put and end to it? 

What if all of a sudden a power unit was to come out of the woodworks to drag us all out of this pile of shi** and start helping each other instead of killing each other?

Sorry for the rant but I guess you hit a nerve there  ;)

Regards,
Paul

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Re: Should we build a TPU?
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2009, 04:59:52 PM »
Forgive me if I was not clear enough. By military applications I do not refer to the use of such a device to generate power for weapons, that is neither here nor there because we already have energy weapons and although removing their bulky power supplies would improve them it would not in itself change much.

What I was referring to was the use of a TPU as a weapon. A device designed to create a runaway resonance that increases power generation exponentially is the problem. We do not know what power density such a device is capable of. As of now we can just speculate on the driving force that makes this possible, and we do not have any working prototypes to help us guess at ultimate power density.

If we released free power to the world it would change everything, but in the end it would be better. Imagine a sort of new industrial revolution.

If we release technology that by itself can be easily weaponised then we have cursed the world with a new and dangerous technology.

In the end it's just something to think about because nobody has a device that works, but it should be something we all keep in our minds.

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Re: Should we build a TPU?
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2009, 05:28:01 PM »
Everything is a weapon. Don't fret.

--giantkiller.

innovation_station

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Re: Should we build a TPU?
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2009, 09:34:45 AM »
hey why not start with  A JT 8)   http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.0  ;)

if you have already done this then i dont know what to tell ya  ::) :P

if your advanced skip to the last page of the thred  ;D

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.1430

peace out

ist