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Author Topic: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!  (Read 181301 times)

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #195 on: February 28, 2009, 03:46:12 PM »
Hey Hoppy, if you lost about 1 amp by accident I would highly let the battery sit for a couple of hours to make sure the voltage will not raise while running the fan because of the fact that the battery is simply stabilizing its voltage. I felt for that mistake a couple of times too, making me feel very frustrated before.

But, it also could be an Eureka moment of yours. Dont that make you feel good?

If this is indeed a voltage rise because of the device it is very inline with my findings about it works when the voltage of the battery is in a certain level while also well tuned for that voltage. As soon as your battery goes up to another level, it gets out of tune and the fan will stop spinning.

Fausto.

My voltage is still higher than the start of the first test run.  When the fan is stopped at the end of a test run and the load is released, if the load resistance is then increased to lower the running current then the final voltage seems to end up higher than the previous run. I saw this effect even before I started my serious test runs and I've seen the same effect when running the Bedini energiser. My fan has not yet stopped during a test run, so I dont know how this affects the final voltage but it may also cause a rise of voltage over the previous run.

Overall I'm gaining voltage from one test run to another but loosing voltage during a test run if it is long enough and that's a long time! It sounds daft but this is what I'm seeing. Therefore this begs the question -is the battery really charging?? To answer this, I think it may be necessary for us all to carry out several long duration consecutive test runs without the fan stopping in mid run (if that's possible) or making any inter run current changes to eliminate the possibility that fan interruptions and current alterations have caused an increase in end voltage over and above the initial  'on-load' start voltage.

I have noticed distinct variances in charging with an SG energiser from day to night. This has been reported by several experimenters, so given that we are running an SG type fan setup, this effect should be seen. I think its to do with temperature as Groundloop suggests.

Hoppy
« Last Edit: February 28, 2009, 04:09:07 PM by Hoppy »

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #195 on: February 28, 2009, 03:46:12 PM »

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #196 on: February 28, 2009, 03:55:32 PM »
@Plengo,

What is the temperature at night compared to the temperature in day time?
(In the room where the fan is running.)

Electronics uses more current when it is warm than when it is cold.

Groundloop.

The same temperature pretty much, around 68 F. Good point!

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #197 on: February 28, 2009, 04:43:15 PM »
Hi Fausto,
it also has to do with the moon and the sun and its gravity.

This way the electrolyte in the batteries is influenced,
exactly like the tides in the sea.

We also have this effect in the saltwater-Zamak batteries, which usually run
better during night time !

It seems to be a gravity effect on the battery components..

Surely also your grounding of your equipment can influence your setup
and also the oxidation of the metal pot contacts
versus the graphite layer in your pots !

Just try to measure the resistances of your pots and replace them
with real resistors and solder it all up...

These experimental boards are not good for replication
experiments, cause the resistances of these contact materials
can change also due to oxidation layers of the metals involved and
also during night due to gravity influences...

Are you a smoker ?
Smoke can also put oxidation layers onto the contacts...!

So the best thing is to hook it all up onto a real PCB board or
a wooden board with some nails in it and then solder
all to the nails, which work as solder points.

So you can buildup fast a replication board and have it all
soldered up and no contact problems, which can ruin your
replication successes...

Regards, Stefan.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2009, 05:36:59 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #198 on: February 28, 2009, 04:51:22 PM »
Good points Stefan. I try to avoid experimental boards for the reasons you give but to be honest I don't think my croc lead lash-up is much better!

Hoppy

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #199 on: February 28, 2009, 05:41:46 PM »
Here you can see, how the sun and the moon
influence the gravity of fluids on earth:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tides

and especially:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Spingtide.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Neaptide.jpg

This will also alter the contact potential between the fluids
(electrolyte) inside the battery and the electrodes, so
it will change the battery voltage and the current capabilities.

Regards, Stefan.
P.S: Why are people living near the sea don´t use the enormous tide water level
differences not more to generate power ??

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #200 on: February 28, 2009, 05:51:52 PM »
Good points Stefan. I try to avoid experimental boards for the reasons you give but to be honest I don't think my croc lead lash-up is much better!

Hoppy
Hi Hoppy,
yes,croco
cables are also very bad, cause:
1. The wire diameter is normally very thin, so there is a ohmical drop, so they
work as resistors...bad for big currents..

2. the connection between the cables and the croco clamp is very bad,
cause it is normally only cropped into the copper,
so after some time the blank copper oxidizes from the air and
the resistance from croco clamp to cable will  go up.
These croco cables are being manufactured by children cheaply in
China or Asia, so they are not soldered at the ends...

So better get a piece of Wood plate and use some nails, hammer them
into the wood, solder their tips and solder cables directly to the nails
and transistors and components...
This is an easy and cheap way to get a demo device model
rigged up and keep it working without any contact problems.
Surely you have to make sure to use a good soldering iron
to not get bad "cold" soldering points, but this probably can be
measured with an Ohmmeter, if the soldering points are okay.

Also don´t use too thin cables, as there will always be a drop of
voltage across them and a ground cable in a circuit should
be pretty massive to not get any effects of voltage drops,
especially if you work with charging up other batteries, so you
don´t loose too much power in thin diameter sized cables...

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #201 on: February 28, 2009, 06:20:45 PM »
Stefan, yes I'm being lazy and this particular experiment needs good quality hook-ups which is why I mentioned in an earlier post that I really need to use thick cables and solder all connections.

Hoppy

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #202 on: February 28, 2009, 06:50:22 PM »
Today I am letting the fan running even though it is only eating the energy of the battery. I will let run tonight too unchanged and record videos as it happens.

I am right now converting the videos for youtube so that I can publish the ugly, bad and good stuff.

Now some pictures that I took of this running fan as I modified it.

Fausto.

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« Reply #203 on: February 28, 2009, 06:52:32 PM »
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #204 on: March 01, 2009, 04:17:30 AM »
so tonight I am having a "eureka" again. Do you know what? I think this baby runs better in the night. I let it run the whole day and all it did is eat energy, but now in the night it creates energy, just like plants!!!

I am very glad I am making many videos to show that, but I don't want to publish in youtube yet, until I really have something that is replicable.  (sorry for my bad English). This thing simply runs better at night.

I will, this time, let it run without any interference from me the whole night and if necessary the whole next day. If it stops in the morning I will let it down. SO in the night I can turn it on again. I will record on video the whole ordeal.

Can someone please interject here and come up with possible theories to explain this and may be even forecast possible experiments and solutions?

@gadgetmall

Are you sure you are running this things during the day?????

Fausto.
O My Side is hurting from Laughing so hard Fausto . ;D I have to say this . ok i see your cardboard mount . are you running the magnet up in the picture or flopped over ? Mine of course is flopped over  . I got one more tidbit  that i can think of . there is a spring and a washer in the front part of the fan . well mine anit there . this makes the fan much deeper and therefor more coverage in the stator area .. I remembered  this because I'm in to the second one and i tossed it too . Mine is running Continuous for a week now . Quacking along . are you using two pots ? and also Mine is running two batts also plus i have a Jt hooked up to the 6 volt with a Vdivider . . I'm trying to keep up with you guys and see if it makes a difference . It Doesn't . It runs with only a little change in speed as the battery takes a hit and recovers . Seems to speed up and slow down .Battery's are very high .. i will measure .. 14.38 on the wet cell 6.65 on the sla 6 volt .. i cant remember exactly but the wetcell was below 13 and the sla was 5 or so . Sorry . i forgot to track it . i got so many other projects Happening and My girl is sick and now i am too . Keep up the good work . I recall that this Might work Better and it might have something to do with the electrons in the air and ionosphere and the moon Phase ..:) Hey just as good a explanation as energy from the vacuum . i do feel it is has a life of its own .. It does Strange things Hardly no one in their life time gets to see and experience . I really Love Mine and when summer hits I'm working on the BIG one . One more thing If you notice in My Video all the connections are Short and on the cap itself .No wire on the transistor cap diode . very compact . only wires are going to the pots and the osc cap and switch . these wont affect the Main circuit  Also My cap and circuit it Directly over (or under) the magnet rotor . It just Misses it By a Wire thickness . I have to sometimes put the wire and transistor down with a pencil if i remove the case . well . Good going guys . Cant wait for the Video Fausto and thank you For sticking with this . You will be very happy when the Circuit is Solid . EDIT**** I made the Comment about the moon before hartiberlin posted the info . so there is something to thats. Very Interesting .

Al
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #205 on: March 01, 2009, 04:33:41 AM »
First video in the series of about 30 or more.

I can only thank you gadgetmall, without your willingness to share your invention I would not be able to replicate it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUxmCdi7kms

Fausto.

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« Reply #206 on: March 01, 2009, 06:04:33 AM »
O My Side is hurting from Laughing so hard Fausto . ;D I have to say this . ok i see your cardboard mount . are you running the magnet up in the picture or flopped over ? Mine of course is flopped over  . I got one more tidbit  that i can think of . there is a spring and a washer in the front part of the fan . well mine anit there . this makes the fan much deeper and therefor more coverage in the stator area .. I remembered  this because I'm in to the second one and i tossed it too . Mine is running Continuous for a week now . Quacking along . are you using two pots ? and also Mine is running two batts also plus i have a Jt hooked up to the 6 volt with a Vdivider . . I'm trying to keep up with you guys and see if it makes a difference . It Doesn't . It runs with only a little change in speed as the battery takes a hit and recovers . Seems to speed up and slow down .Battery's are very high .. i will measure .. 14.38 on the wet cell 6.65 on the sla 6 volt .. i cant remember exactly but the wetcell was below 13 and the sla was 5 or so . Sorry . i forgot to track it . i got so many other projects Happening and My girl is sick and now i am too . Keep up the good work . I recall that this Might work Better and it might have something to do with the electrons in the air and ionosphere and the moon Phase ..:) Hey just as good a explanation as energy from the vacuum . i do feel it is has a life of its own .. It does Strange things Hardly no one in their life time gets to see and experience . I really Love Mine and when summer hits I'm working on the BIG one . One more thing If you notice in My Video all the connections are Short and on the cap itself .No wire on the transistor cap diode . very compact . only wires are going to the pots and the osc cap and switch . these wont affect the Main circuit  Also My cap and circuit it Directly over (or under) the magnet rotor . It just Misses it By a Wire thickness . I have to sometimes put the wire and transistor down with a pencil if i remove the case . well . Good going guys . Cant wait for the Video Fausto and thank you For sticking with this . You will be very happy when the Circuit is Solid . EDIT**** I made the Comment about the moon before hartiberlin posted the info . so there is something to thats. Very Interesting .

Al

Thank you gadgetmall for all this tips. I am running my fan tip over but I already tried so many positions and options that I lost track. I am publishing all my log videos with all the bad stuff and the good stuff and this only because I am totally convinced this really works and I have witness it myself but it is not perfect yet. There are lots of weird stuff happening.

BTW, in the beginning I mention about you without even knowing who you are so please allow the progress of the videos to see that I really respect you and your work. I can only thank you very deeply for your outstanding desire to share such a "craizy" design and keep it honest and open. Really thank you Albert.

Fausto.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #207 on: March 01, 2009, 08:12:05 AM »
Fausto:

Great job on the replications of Al's device.  You are sticking with it and that is a good thing. More good things will be coming I am sure.

Bill

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« Reply #208 on: March 01, 2009, 11:19:56 AM »
Hi,

I did not have a 48 volt fan so I built this motor charger instead. I use two air core coils positioned 180 degrees
around a central rotor with two Neo magnets. The coils is 48 Ohm each. The NTE109 is Germanium diodes.
The motor runs very well with little usage from the battery. If I tune the potmeter too low the rotor slows down
while the battery voltage goes up, but the rotor stop after a while. I can't find any tuning spots where the rotor
keeps running while the battery voltage goes up. (So far.)

Groundloop.

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« Reply #209 on: March 01, 2009, 12:38:09 PM »
Hi Groundloop,

You have a very interesting schematic, congratulations.   Regarding the charging part, a possible improvement would seem to be to bridge the potmeter's wiper with a capacitor to the common point of the potmeter and the NTE109 diode.  This way you could minimize the AC voltage drop across the potmeter part that is in series from the charging AC coil current point of view, ok? 
(I mean the potmeter left side ending that is common with the diode and you simply shunt it with a capacitor to the wiper of the potmeter, starting to test from about 100pF and up to the nanoFarad and maybe to a few microFarad.) 

Regards,  Gyula

 

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