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Author Topic: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!  (Read 182698 times)

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #165 on: February 26, 2009, 06:13:44 AM »
@All
Finally got my motor going right.
I'm using a fairly large 12 volt fan for my setup.
The fan was rated 7 watts at 12 volts.
For my setup I have a caduceus coil connected in series between the battery positive and the string of 4 diodes in the schematic.
But I am using only one 1000V  6A high speed diode in place of the 4 diodes.
Also the other single diode connected from the collector to positive is the same value 1000 V 6A diode.
I find the caduceus coil makes my motor spin faster for the same input current, also runs more stable.
I dug up an old 12 volt car battery.
After a long period of tweaking I got the motor to keep going at a slow steady speed.
It makes a nice chirping sound. 
The starting voltage was  6.92 volts. after 15 min. the voltage increased to 7.75 volts.
Will leave it running over night and see what it's at in the morning, hope it keeps going all night. 
Starting time here was 11:40 PM.

Very interesting!

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #165 on: February 26, 2009, 06:13:44 AM »

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #166 on: February 26, 2009, 02:57:18 PM »
The one with 3 leg is a IR Receiver so  if both came in the same package , the one with two leg is a IR Transmitter, not a led light.
That may be the case on some of them but we are talking blinking leds  there are also two leg blinking leds of various colors including rainbow . I have some three leg leds . they are two colors with one common . red and green . i also have some two color leds with two legs just reverse the voltage and get the other color . ac and you get both colors . It depends on what you are Buying as any led whether emitting or receiving blinking or tricolor can come in two or three legs .

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #167 on: February 26, 2009, 03:12:12 PM »
One problem with these computer fan bedini motors is the fan blade. 
If we could build one of these without the fan blades that blow air we would have a lot more power
going back to the battery.
Right now most of the energy is wasted blowing that air around.
@plengo
Maybe the problem is you are stopping the fan from blowing freely with something blocking it.

I have tried Chopping off fan blades and left with a Knob. You loose the fly wheeling and there nothing to keep the momentum needed . now if we replace or cover the blades with a heaver solid piece of plastic that would work . . In My case i need the air to speed ratio ..


@Fasto . If you can Find a FLAT magnet . I use just one . it might cover 1/4 of the front surface . i dont use two and its only on one side . the ring magnet inside of these fans are very weak but the have a NS on them . I think My magnet is between NS . It sticks hard and there is no chance of it moving unless i push it really hard . Its less than 1/8 inch thick  .
« Last Edit: February 26, 2009, 04:48:23 PM by gadgetmall »

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #167 on: February 26, 2009, 03:12:12 PM »
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #168 on: February 26, 2009, 04:22:13 PM »
@ Fausto

A possible problem I can see using two batteries in series, is that I have found that when there is a difference in voltage between the batteries, one can rise in potential during discharge. I'm not saying that this is happening in your case but it is possible.

I have now reduced my fan speed as much as possible whilst remaining stable and I will monitor this over the next few hours. If I detect a drop in voltage I will then reposition my magnet. I'm using a flat hard disk magnet as per Gadget's suggestion. Once we can get our batteries charging it will be interesting to see how high the voltage will climb and whether it will stabilise at a certain level or eventually fall. Gadget reports that he can 'fry' his batteries so it will be exciting to see if we can get as advanced as him.

Hoppy
Hi Hoppy . I never said i Fried a Battery with a powersupplybedini :) I kind of think it might after a few months but i am running a jt on it now and have a happy point of staying charged and lights .  I did say I fried batteries with My Bedini ,the original one that the thread was started on . I cooked two so far and working on the third .(SLA) It puts out so much voltage and current it lights a 130 volt incandescent bulb and it charges itself .If i dont switch out with two knife switches ever three days and load it while charging they burn up .  I have not Fried any wet cells ever only sla . Now My 48 volt PowersupplyBedini Will Charge a Dead  (10volt) wet cell battery to over 13 volts in a days time . I have done this . But i have not cooked one and i don't intend to as i dont have any more to cook so i want to be careful .I stopped My Big Bedini . i only have three SLA battery left .I know i was drying it out when the voltage gets to 17 volts (ouch)
 I am Glad you guys are seeing something strange . Its called OU :) I don't think you all would recognize it even if you are looking at it :)  I gave up trying to figure it out as why it works .Like i said before .I am happy with just using the extra power it makes and knowing i have Genuinely given you My Designs and results . I see you got it . But with all the test and stuff after you get it it messes it up . get it going set it in a corner for a few weeks and Build ya another one while its charging itself .If you find a flat magnet it will stay :)  Oh one more thing . It will adjust the sweet spot much better using two pots i can hit the spot anytime i want with the second one on there and neither of them are at  a full position . the second one offers full range from stopped to slow just above the charge point .
Best regards

GADGET
« Last Edit: February 26, 2009, 04:46:25 PM by gadgetmall »

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #169 on: February 26, 2009, 06:43:04 PM »
@All
Finally got my motor going right.
I'm using a fairly large 12 volt fan for my setup.
The fan was rated 7 watts at 12 volts.
For my setup I have a caduceus coil connected in series between the battery positive and the string of 4 diodes in the schematic.
But I am using only one 1000V  6A high speed diode in place of the 4 diodes.
Also the other single diode connected from the collector to positive is the same value 1000 V 6A diode.
I find the caduceus coil makes my motor spin faster for the same input current, also runs more stable.
I dug up an old 12 volt car battery.
After a long period of tweaking I got the motor to keep going at a slow steady speed.
It makes a nice chirping sound. 
The starting voltage was  6.92 volts. after 15 min. the voltage increased to 7.75 volts.
Will leave it running over night and see what it's at in the morning, hope it keeps going all night. 
Starting time here was 11:40 PM.

Very interesting!


This is so cool. I hope yours work and you can give us more details and pictures of your setup. Great work AbbaRue!!!

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #169 on: February 26, 2009, 06:43:04 PM »
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #170 on: February 26, 2009, 06:47:04 PM »
After running for about 30 min. the motor went unstable and shut off.
I can't seem to keep a steady speed on the motor.

But I made a very interesting discovery:
I disconnected the battery and my meter still read 4.7 volts.
I had no capacitors in the circuit at all, so I couldn't account for the 4.7 volts.
I removed every piece one by one to home in on the power source.
The ground off my scope was needed. 

I am using a   TIP150 NPN Transistor. 
(I tested other NPN transistors and they worked also. but this one gets the highest voltage)
I discovered that if you connect the collector to ground and the emitter to some type of antenna,
you will get a voltage between the collector and emitter.
The collector is the positive and the emitter is the negative, the base isn't used.
The collector and emitter of a transistor can be used to make a negative resistance oscillator,
so this must have something to do with that as well.

Here is a link for those that are interested in the Negister:
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cnr/negosc.htm

Maybe this is were the excess power in these systems is coming from.
When I placed a capacitor across it I built a 5.45 volt charge in a few minuites.
The type of antenna is important, keep trying different things for it.
I wonder if this could be used to power a Joule Thief?

This finding may be the start of a whole new topic.



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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #171 on: February 26, 2009, 06:54:29 PM »
Hi Hoppy . I never said i Fried a Battery with a powersupplybedini :) I kind of think it might after a few months but i am running a jt on it now and have a happy point of staying charged and lights .  I did say I fried batteries with My Bedini ,the original one that the thread was started on . I cooked two so far and working on the third .(SLA) It puts out so much voltage and current it lights a 130 volt incandescent bulb and it charges itself .If i dont switch out with two knife switches ever three days and load it while charging they burn up .  I have not Fried any wet cells ever only sla . Now My 48 volt PowersupplyBedini Will Charge a Dead  (10volt) wet cell battery to over 13 volts in a days time . I have done this . But i have not cooked one and i don't intend to as i dont have any more to cook so i want to be careful .I stopped My Big Bedini . i only have three SLA battery left .I know i was drying it out when the voltage gets to 17 volts (ouch)
 I am Glad you guys are seeing something strange . Its called OU :) I don't think you all would recognize it even if you are looking at it :)  I gave up trying to figure it out as why it works .Like i said before .I am happy with just using the extra power it makes and knowing i have Genuinely given you My Designs and results . I see you got it . But with all the test and stuff after you get it it messes it up . get it going set it in a corner for a few weeks and Build ya another one while its charging itself .If you find a flat magnet it will stay :)  Oh one more thing . It will adjust the sweet spot much better using two pots i can hit the spot anytime i want with the second one on there and neither of them are at  a full position . the second one offers full range from stopped to slow just above the charge point .
Best regards

GADGET

Thank you Albert, I just opened an old hard drive that I have and will try using that magnet. It is very small in the shape of a boomerang.

Fausto.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #171 on: February 26, 2009, 06:54:29 PM »
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #172 on: February 26, 2009, 07:58:36 PM »
Abbarue:

Thanks for that link.  It looks very interesting to me.  I believe I have all of the components needed to give it a try.  I bookmarked it for later use.

Bill

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #173 on: February 27, 2009, 04:05:26 AM »
for desperation and happiness and before the reality drops in I will say here: I DID IT. EUREKA!!!!!!!!!!

I simplified the circuit to be exactly like gadegtmall with one Sk3606 on the positive of the battery and another one on the collector of the transistor. No extra parts anywhere. Transistor MJE3055T and 1uf cap at the base of the transistor. I am using only a small hard-drive magnet (it has the shape of a boomerang and has a metal plate glue to it - a shield?). I put the magnet as per gadegtmall advice, 1/4 of the fan surface only. I tried a few places until the voltage stopped dropping.

It has been running for the last 4 hours with no absolute change in voltage, except that it seams that it is going up but definitely not going down. I already recorded two short videos to document the phenomena and will create more as the night progresses. Some pictures of the magnet on the fan is here.

I will also try later another video where I will show the exact same setup where it will NOT WORK but this time I will use another fan and not touch the fan with the magnet positioned correctly. This way I will be able to show how the battery goes down in voltage so I can show "how I know" that it is working. Make any sence?

I am so frustated with my previous success and total failure right after that sometimes I start thinking that I never had a success to start with, but no I do think now that I did it before and I am doing right now.

Fausto.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #173 on: February 27, 2009, 04:05:26 AM »
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #174 on: February 27, 2009, 05:57:09 AM »
for desperation and happiness and before the reality drops in I will say here: I DID IT. EUREKA!!!!!!!!!!

I simplified the circuit to be exactly like gadegtmall with one Sk3606 on the positive of the battery and another one on the collector of the transistor. No extra parts anywhere. Transistor MJE3055T and 1uf cap at the base of the transistor. I am using only a small hard-drive magnet (it has the shape of a boomerang and has a metal plate glue to it - a shield?). I put the magnet as per gadegtmall advice, 1/4 of the fan surface only. I tried a few places until the voltage stopped dropping.

It has been running for the last 4 hours with no absolute change in voltage, except that it seams that it is going up but definitely not going down. I already recorded two short videos to document the phenomena and will create more as the night progresses. Some pictures of the magnet on the fan is here.

I will also try later another video where I will show the exact same setup where it will NOT WORK but this time I will use another fan and not touch the fan with the magnet positioned correctly. This way I will be able to show how the battery goes down in voltage so I can show "how I know" that it is working. Make any sence?

I am so frustated with my previous success and total failure right after that sometimes I start thinking that I never had a success to start with, but no I do think now that I did it before and I am doing right now.

Fausto.

Good going Fasto . you know that magnet will come off of that shield :) But if its working for you let it rip .. I remove those magnets Buy sticking it to an iron beam with the shield sticking up above the beam and strike the shield opposite the magnet with a hammer. the magnet stays stuck to the beam   ,then it is slip off . they are very powerful as you see. if you do that save that shield . Its mu metal .

 Nice .

Al

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #175 on: February 27, 2009, 06:25:13 AM »
Congratulations Fausto! 

The fact that you replicated it "I simplified the circuit to be exactly like gadegtmall" as close as possible seems the key here.  I have not had any luck with mine and the only reason I can think of other than wizardry is that it's not made with the same components.

Anyways, keep picking at it, I'm looking forward to the videos :)

Regards,
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« Reply #176 on: February 27, 2009, 07:55:30 AM »
After running for about 30 min. the motor went unstable and shut off.
I can't seem to keep a steady speed on the motor.

But I made a very interesting discovery:
I disconnected the battery and my meter still read 4.7 volts.
I had no capacitors in the circuit at all, so I couldn't account for the 4.7 volts.
I removed every piece one by one to home in on the power source.
The ground off my scope was needed. 

I am using a   TIP150 NPN Transistor. 
(I tested other NPN transistors and they worked also. but this one gets the highest voltage)
I discovered that if you connect the collector to ground and the emitter to some type of antenna,
you will get a voltage between the collector and emitter.
The collector is the positive and the emitter is the negative, the base isn't used.
The collector and emitter of a transistor can be used to make a negative resistance oscillator,
so this must have something to do with that as well.

Here is a link for those that are interested in the Negister:
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cnr/negosc.htm

Maybe this is were the excess power in these systems is coming from.
When I placed a capacitor across it I built a 5.45 volt charge in a few minuites.
The type of antenna is important, keep trying different things for it.
I wonder if this could be used to power a Joule Thief?

This finding may be the start of a whole new topic.
That's a very interesting observation Abbarue.

I'm not quite sure though from your description how you have your transistor and antennae? connected.

Any chance of posting a diagram, with a little more descriptive information.? You've certainly got my curiosity roused.
Having personally performed many experiments with inductive circuits over the years, I am inclined to think that induction is not in itself a pathway to FE.
However white noise converted to electricity via silicon (or any other semi-conductor) junctions may be another ball game altogether.

Cheers ...  P.S. Starting a new topic thread seems like a good idea to me.

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« Reply #177 on: February 27, 2009, 12:47:31 PM »
for desperation and happiness and before the reality drops in I will say here: I DID IT. EUREKA!!!!!!!!!!

I simplified the circuit to be exactly like gadegtmall with one Sk3606 on the positive of the battery and another one on the collector of the transistor. No extra parts anywhere. Transistor MJE3055T and 1uf cap at the base of the transistor. I am using only a small hard-drive magnet (it has the shape of a boomerang and has a metal plate glue to it - a shield?). I put the magnet as per gadegtmall advice, 1/4 of the fan surface only. I tried a few places until the voltage stopped dropping.

It has been running for the last 4 hours with no absolute change in voltage, except that it seams that it is going up but definitely not going down. I already recorded two short videos to document the phenomena and will create more as the night progresses. Some pictures of the magnet on the fan is here.

I will also try later another video where I will show the exact same setup where it will NOT WORK but this time I will use another fan and not touch the fan with the magnet positioned correctly. This way I will be able to show how the battery goes down in voltage so I can show "how I know" that it is working. Make any sence?

I am so frustated with my previous success and total failure right after that sometimes I start thinking that I never had a success to start with, but no I do think now that I did it before and I am doing right now.

Fausto.


Congratulations @plengo !!!!!

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« Reply #178 on: February 27, 2009, 05:00:37 PM »
the circuit ran until 5am with no voltage drop at all (I just woke up to drink some water). The opposite, it increased the big battery by 0.01v and the SLA another 0.01v. Again went to sleep.

7am woke up and look at my "baby" and it was, by my surprised, stopped. Voltage was rested at the initial voltage plus the winning 0.01v on both batteries. At least that made me very happy. I gave a fan a spin and surprisingly enough it would not spin for more than 5 seconds. NOTHING CHANGED, but the fan refuses to run. Hmmmmm!!!!?????

So, I changed a little bit the resistance of the potentiometer at the base of the transistor until it would spin without stopping. Went to sleep another hour. Woke up at 8am and voltage dropped on the big battery 0.01v and on the SLA another 0.03v. I am pissed.

So before go to work I let the battery rest and voltage came back to where I was yesterday before the eureka moment and tunned it back to my best as of yesterday. I left it running. I am glad I record at least three videos before going to sleep and after 8am this morning! So I am not craizy!!!

Something is very strange about how it runs in the night just fine but as soon as the sun comes up it changes. It could be the breadboard giving bad contatcts (very plausible since the fan vibrates the table). Or my cats go there and put their paws on the fan but that would not explain why it would not run at all in the morning with everything unchanged.

@gadgetmall did you have any of this before?

Fausto.

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« Reply #179 on: February 27, 2009, 08:22:53 PM »
I've now made a couple of changes to my setup. One is changing the feedback diode from an IN4007 to an old 'top hat' type heavy duty diode more like the SK diode. I checked out the spec on the SK diode and matched up as well as I could. The other change is to fit an old germanium type diode between the transistor base and emitter. This has enabled me to reduce the speed of the fan considerably without it cutting out. I'm now running under 200 RPM which I could not do easily before this mod. The net result of these changes is that I've managed to hold voltage for 8 hours running at about 15mA. It will need a lot longer running like this before I can start getting excited but it is a good improvement on my previous setup.

After this current run I'm thinking about tidying up my wiring by removing the croc clips and re-wiring using heavy duty ultra low resistance Hi-Fi type oudspeaker wire. If the radiant is working its magic on the battery, this according to John Bedini's / Tom Beardon's theory should enhance the transfer of radiant energy to the battery. I hope my next post can start with 'Eureka' but I'm not holding my breath!

Hoppy

 

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