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Offline Hoppy

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #120 on: February 19, 2009, 10:42:21 PM »
@Plengo

I'm currently using the MJ21194 which is the TO3 'Top hat' version and have not yet tried other transistors. I think it was Gagetmall that reported that he could discharge his battery and the fan would return the battery to the original voltage prior to discharge. I have also been able to do this and although I'm not certain, I think that the battery is genuinely re-charging rather than just recovering, even though it does not charge beyond the pre-discharge voltage. Have you seen this with your setup?

I have also found that the diode in charging lead to the battery pos terminal needs to be carefully chosen. The IN4007 works well but some other diodes not nearly so well.

John Bedini claims that self-charging is not possible using a single battery with feedback and I would certainly agree with him insofar as using conventional coils with iron rod, or ferrite cores. I've tried numerous variations of the monopole energsier and have never got this close to self-running even with high resistance coils. The fan is much more a closed magnetic circuit and with the outer continuous magnetic loop encircling the coils, it is much more efficient than the conventional coil and magnetic rotor.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #120 on: February 19, 2009, 10:42:21 PM »

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #121 on: February 19, 2009, 11:25:10 PM »
@Plengo

I'm currently using the MJ21194 which is the TO3 'Top hat' version and have not yet tried other transistors. I think it was Gagetmall that reported that he could discharge his battery and the fan would return the battery to the original voltage prior to discharge. I have also been able to do this and although I'm not certain, I think that the battery is genuinely re-charging rather than just recovering, even though it does not charge beyond the pre-discharge voltage. Have you seen this with your setup?

I have also found that the diode in charging lead to the battery pos terminal needs to be carefully chosen. The IN4007 works well but some other diodes not nearly so well.

John Bedini claims that self-charging is not possible using a single battery with feedback and I would certainly agree with him insofar as using conventional coils with iron rod, or ferrite cores. I've tried numerous variations of the monopole energsier and have never got this close to self-running even with high resistance coils. The fan is much more a closed magnetic circuit and with the outer continuous magnetic loop encircling the coils, it is much more efficient than the conventional coil and magnetic rotor.

Hoppy

Hey Guys . Good testing to you all .
Hoppy If resistance doesn't play a role in this feedback why then of all the fans i modified only the ones about resistance 60 above would feedback . the rest of the fans were 31 40 49 somewhere around there and they all would short out when trying to feed the BEMF to the Primary ? You know Bedini also said the Circuit was designed to shut down when we did this  :)
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #122 on: February 19, 2009, 11:58:22 PM »
@Plengo

I'm currently using the MJ21194 which is the TO3 'Top hat' version and have not yet tried other transistors. I think it was Gagetmall that reported that he could discharge his battery and the fan would return the battery to the original voltage prior to discharge. I have also been able to do this and although I'm not certain, I think that the battery is genuinely re-charging rather than just recovering, even though it does not charge beyond the pre-discharge voltage. Have you seen this with your setup?

I have also found that the diode in charging lead to the battery pos terminal needs to be carefully chosen. The IN4007 works well but some other diodes not nearly so well.

John Bedini claims that self-charging is not possible using a single battery with feedback and I would certainly agree with him insofar as using conventional coils with iron rod, or ferrite cores. I've tried numerous variations of the monopole energsier and have never got this close to self-running even with high resistance coils. The fan is much more a closed magnetic circuit and with the outer continuous magnetic loop encircling the coils, it is much more efficient than the conventional coil and magnetic rotor.

Hoppy


I am not sure If I understood your question but in my setup I have the case where the system runs and battery goes down in voltage, 1 day later turn off system and battery in 5 minutes restores to where it was when I started. It could be a case of the battery just recovering as you said, but certainly not the same case IF doing that for 5 days in a row. I would expect in my tests for the battery to lose some of its voltage after doing this for awhile but my battery is still the same voltage after 5 days under a constant discharge of around 7 ma.

My theory about what Bedini and Peter Linderman said  (Im not sure I got his friend's name right) is that it is "impossible" to charge a battery while one is discharging in the sence that one can not get current out and in "at the same time". Now, think about the Tesla four battery setup and even Bedini's 3 battery cigar box, he was able to do exactly the opposite. It sounds to me that IF a time period exists in between the out and in of current one CAN charge the battery although not the same time but virtually or apparently at the same time. If you watch the signal of this fan closely you will notice a long gap where there is no radiant spikes but one long pulse which could be coming from the large cap after the diode connected to the collector of the transistor.

In my setup, I can disconnect the battery and the system will still run for about 5 seconds pulsating like craizy, increasing the frequency until the cap is empty and there is no feedback anymore. In other words, a long slow death. The same does not happened when I do not use that large cap (C2 on my previous schematics) and disconnect the battery (it simply dies right there).  I think the cap is helping in collecting some of that feedback radiant spikes and feeding the fan while also feeding the battery back and helping both to run and charge at the same time. In my setup only helping the fan to continuing to run but not enough to charge the battery back.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #123 on: February 20, 2009, 12:11:36 AM »
Hey Guys . Good testing to you all .
Hoppy If resistance doesn't play a role in this feedback why then of all the fans i modified only the ones about resistance 60 above would feedback . the rest of the fans were 31 40 49 somewhere around there and they all would short out when trying to feed the BEMF to the Primary ? You know Bedini also said the Circuit was designed to shut down when we did this  :)
Al


Al

I had a difficult job getting mine to work without shutting down until I found a good diode to feedback to the primary. I'm not saying that resistance is not important but I don't think its critical, otherwise I would not have got my setup working at 19 ohms strand resistance. The base resistance was quite critical to get the best 'sweet spot'. Also, the build and quality of the fan may well have a big part to play.I could be right on the edge with this or just lucky.

Hoppy

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #124 on: February 20, 2009, 01:26:23 AM »

Al

I had a difficult job getting mine to work without shutting down until I found a good diode to feedback to the primary. I'm not saying that resistance is not important but I don't think its critical, otherwise I would not have got my setup working at 19 ohms strand resistance. The base resistance was quite critical to get the best 'sweet spot'. Also, the build and quality of the fan may well have a big part to play.I could be right on the edge with this or just lucky.

Hoppy
VEry Good getting 19 ohms resistance coil feedbacking . Hmmm . well I am glad you guys are at least no i'm not BSing you as this is not My nature and i was Leary   to share this good discovery when so many others out there have similar projects and simply wont give there setup and not give you a simple do it rather than Bsing you have to understand it before i let you have it . I don't care if i never Understand it . I am Happy with it just the way i built it and really am tickled you guys are getting some fun out of it  so have fun .If you finally figure out Why it works then yes I will Copy it down and treasure it for ever .  I am working on several NEW feedback systems that involve another secondary that is rectified ,stored and flashed back to the source . Yes it works but i am not releasing My method just yet .just a little tease  :)This is going to go good with a Stepped up version of little baby48 . a 117 volt ac fan .. If you ever have played with ac motors you know the generate high output if spun fast so i will start tearing the fan apart soon and rewire it like one of these and to be sure get 20 or 40 volts off it running a 12 volt batt. .I'm ready to run an inverter off these babys . I can run lights of this one . I'll post a picture in a bit . Its a jt (Joule Thief that draws 1 ma) on a pot and runs while selfcharging . at least it will do something besides Be a Squeak Toy  :D)  Also i want to try and wind two of the fan coils with No#32 wire and see if it will induce another voltage to store in a Cap . There is plenty of room on these 48 volt fans .
AL

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #124 on: February 20, 2009, 01:26:23 AM »
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #125 on: February 20, 2009, 01:55:45 AM »
Al:

You better slow down there.  Pretty soon you will be running your house on just one fan and a JT!  Shortly thereafter, all of these fans will be removed from the market, ha ha.  Seriously, great work with this device of yours.  My fans are coming and I don't know if I have enough skills to do this but I am going to try.

Bill

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #126 on: February 20, 2009, 03:16:43 AM »
Hi all

Well I've got the fan working (even with the reversed diode on the base) but I still need a few components which the electronic store didn't have or was too expensive.

I'm trying to find equivalents of the SK3606 which seems quite hard to find around here, I added a Scosche 500k Micro Farad Cap because I didn't have a 440 uf 400 v cap and they were just too expensive at the store, I played around a bit with it last night and tonight but finding the sweet spot is really hard to get, it ran for almost 2 hours last night before losing voltage so I think the fan is ok but the SK3606 and possibly changing other things might help.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #127 on: February 20, 2009, 03:44:50 AM »
@all

I found a datasheet for the sk3606 and related parts:

http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf-datasheets/Datasheets-37/DSA-733633.pdf

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #128 on: February 20, 2009, 04:00:13 AM »
Thanks nievesoliveras

I was looking at it too a couple of days ago but it's trying to find one locally that's the real challenge for me, I'd be better to order them online if I could find them, these are the specs I found of the RCA SK3606:

SK3606 Silicon Rectifier
       
V(RRM)(V) Rep.Pk.Rev. Voltage=200
I(FSM) Max.(A) Pk.Fwd.Sur.Cur.=300
V(FM) Max.(V) Forward Voltage=1.5
I(O) Max.(A) Output Current=15
Package=DO-5

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #129 on: February 20, 2009, 11:30:58 AM »
VEry Good getting 19 ohms resistance coil feedbacking . Hmmm . well I am glad you guys are at least no i'm not BSing you as this is not My nature and i was Leary   to share this good discovery when so many others out there have similar projects and simply wont give there setup and not give you a simple do it rather than Bsing you have to understand it before i let you have it . I don't care if i never Understand it . I am Happy with it just the way i built it and really am tickled you guys are getting some fun out of it  so have fun .If you finally figure out Why it works then yes I will Copy it down and treasure it for ever .  I am working on several NEW feedback systems that involve another secondary that is rectified ,stored and flashed back to the source . Yes it works but i am not releasing My method just yet .just a little tease  :)This is going to go good with a Stepped up version of little baby48 . a 117 volt ac fan .. If you ever have played with ac motors you know the generate high output if spun fast so i will start tearing the fan apart soon and rewire it like one of these and to be sure get 20 or 40 volts off it running a 12 volt batt. .I'm ready to run an inverter off these babys . I can run lights of this one . I'll post a picture in a bit . Its a jt (Joule Thief that draws 1 ma) on a pot and runs while selfcharging . at least it will do something besides Be a Squeak Toy  :D)  Also i want to try and wind two of the fan coils with No#32 wire and see if it will induce another voltage to store in a Cap . There is plenty of room on these 48 volt fans .
AL

Despite me having had the 'effect' using a 24V fan, the 48V sounds much better as I think you said that you can 'fry' batteries with yours if you leave them charging.

From the sound of your progress towards running lighting off inverters it sounds like you are well on the way to teaching John Bedini a few tricks!

Hoppy

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #130 on: February 20, 2009, 01:46:07 PM »
Congratulations to everybody on this thread!!!

Thank you to all for your work and inspiration!

Special thanks to @gadgetmall!!!

Jesus

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #131 on: February 20, 2009, 01:54:21 PM »
Despite me having had the 'effect' using a 24V fan, the 48V sounds much better as I think you said that you can 'fry' batteries with yours if you leave them charging.

From the sound of your progress towards running lighting off inverters it sounds like you are well on the way to teaching John Bedini a few tricks!

Hoppy
ha ha ha  well i am pretty sure he never played with computer power supplies like we are either . But it was he who Started the whole thing by giving the little girl the schemitic for her school project . if it wasn't for her and Bedini's big heart we wouldn't be here right now with the concept .I  know Mr Bedini has the technology to go bigger but reading from his book the big dog;s threatened him if he ever released more than just models. I know every one has heard that when he attempted to do just that they shut the power off to his shop , BUT , His Lights remained on for days until other business complained that they were shut down too and so they had to  turned his shop back on  but warned him By throwing him against a wall to never release anything bigger than his little models . we are getting there Now and moving at light speed . I already have a gigantic Flywheel rotor and lots t of 1 x 2 inch magnets
this thing weighing about 50 pounds and once  hand spun without any components on it will spin for 10 minutes so with a coil its going to be sweet .!  i will be using NS configuration and it will produce energy two ways . the main one is it has a one way sprocket on it and will be turning another non cogging generator i have here i found in the junk yard gold mine . its brush less too and when you spin it and light a 12 volt bulb it offers no resistance on the shaft :) . I found one on the internet similar and they are 500 dollars! . . BTW you can get these Flywheels from an exercise pedal bike . the ones that don't go no where :) . Lots of time on My hands now so i got bunches of projects and piles of stuff i am using to make more power . I love it ! Just hope i don't get any knocks on my door or i'll have to blast them with My high powered laser and burn there butts back to there cave .(only for protection ) I got a 35 watter that will hurt you in a split second .

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« Reply #132 on: February 20, 2009, 02:06:25 PM »
Congratulations to everybody on this thread!!!

Thank you to all for your work and inspiration!

Special thanks to @gadgetmall!!!

Jesus
Thank you Jesus ! Amen !!!!!!!!! And let God give his Grace on all of you in your endeavors to make our beautiful planet better by not using fossil fuels and recycling .. i sure could use some Clicks on My google ads . not the ones on the very top of the page . they are godaddys ads . mine are below the google search bar.  . BTW you guys can make a lot of money with google . I don't make so much on my page but my littlebrother runs a computer repair page and he gets close to a dollar a click! . we figured it out if he can get 15 clicks a day he will have 2 million dollars at the end of the year . !!  Heads up !! Its free too!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #133 on: February 20, 2009, 03:40:33 PM »
@gadgetmall

I did not want to say anything yet, but I am having a tremendous success!!!!!!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6362.msg158838#msg158838

Jesus
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #134 on: February 20, 2009, 05:43:33 PM »
@gadgetmall

I did not want to say anything yet, but I am having a tremendous success!!!!!!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6362.msg158838#msg158838

Jesus
@ Nieves
 We are all Proud of you and i had said before that you would get it . Very good Job now the only thing you have to do is Make sure you copy it down so you don't Loose It !!  Take snaps and draw up a Schematic while its purring away :) We want to see too! ;D)
Best Regards
Al

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