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Author Topic: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!  (Read 174347 times)

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #60 on: February 10, 2009, 02:30:47 AM »
@plengo
   thank you for attempting to replicate . i have not tried it on a very high amp battery yet . Here is the schematic you requested with the additions . i forgot to put the value of the osc cap . its 1mfd 200v NON-pol cap ..  the other thing is the little glass diode on the  base /collector . i don't know the value . it might even be a zener . i just grab what i got check the transistor for pins where npn or pnp  and go with it . i do know that my fan unit will blow a 100 volt cap on the secondary so be careful . it put out over 250 volts without a neon . i didn't want to blow the windings so i use a neon
So I am running a new series of test using the schematic of gadgemall with the diode on the base of the transistor "as it is on the schematic" (inverted). Surprisingly enough it runs!

The minimum I can say for now is that this circuit when using the cap and connecting the positive of the battery to the cap it runs a lot more economically than without. Somehow the returned energy to the battery seams to alleviate the load on the battery and help to run longer.

Fausto.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #61 on: February 10, 2009, 04:52:34 AM »
@hoptoad,

hey, good do see you hoptoad. Excellent stuff of yours about the Adam's motor that you sent. I really liked your explanation about "why" it works as it works.

Fausto.

Hi Fausto, I'm glad you liked my explanation. If you are talking in particular about my explanation of the accelerating effect caused by the passive generator pickup coils during heavy load, the explanation can still be considered as only an opinion, and I'm open to other explanations, provided they can be backed up by more than just assertions and assumptions.

You may be aware that I've been keeping track of Thanes thread, and recently there have been some interesting points made by other forum members about longitudinal permeability variations along the length of a core.

If indeed Thane is able to get more torque and speed with his arrangement than would otherwise be available if the generator coils were not present at all, then it is quite possible that the effect is not only due to the reasons I outlined, (which only explains core drag negation) but also due to other effects in the core.

In other words, the acceleration beyond no load rpm may be attributable to more than just one effect occurring simultaneously. That might help to explain why the acceleration effect is so variable in its manifestation and why some cores seem to work well and others don't work at all.

I'm still waiting for more data and possible explanations before I make up my mind, and I'm in no hurry to make a definitive choice from the  explanations presented thus far, including my own explanation.

Cheers and KneeDeep  :)

P.S. Sorry for being a little off topic here.
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #62 on: February 11, 2009, 04:30:29 AM »
@ All . Hoppy and others i am very happy to inform you that this is not the Peukert effect' . I had convinced My self after running one for 4 days that is was indeed something else . So i said to Myself . If it really is charging then i can take a dead battery(conditioned with a bedini for 3 months )  with just enough juice to run it and see .Mine will run on less than 4 volts  Well I took a battery and Discharged it with a 12 volt light last night  and it was very dim this morning . Voltage was a wopping 10.09 volts  I hooked it up to Powersupplybedini48 .feed it back  the fan was barley turning draw was a mild 5 ma. Tonight My dead battery is almost fully charged 13.08 volts !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So . Its the real thing dudes . I am hooking up some LEds to run while its charging and see if there is enuff current to run a load/indicator and selfcharge . Its really working Guys .!!!! Replicate it as i have done with this exact fan transistor and rectifier .. I have a few dozen spares of the rca rectifier for 20 dollars each . I have not found a source for them other than My goldmine as you will see . i posted the link a few pages back  to buy the fans for 1.75 us .. Get them while you can .thats  DIRT CHEAP and THE BIGGEST BRUSH LESS FAN YOU CAN GET .pretty soon they will be out and if i am the only one with them they will be much much higher . they are worth there weight in gold .  this is proof in my book . I will be auctioning My prototypes on ebay very soon to gather up some funds to live on your money back within 10 days of testing and returned units  . I promise . also i am changing some parts for the next one . it will consist of a custom  enclosure . led to replace base diode to tell its on during self oscillate mode because when its tuned just right  you cannot hear it so it needs an indicator .there will be a reserve on them for the auction . How Much is proof of self charging worth . . right now id say a whole lot and if this can be made much bigger with large 110 volt window fans rewired and modded i see an inverter in that picture . I have shared a lot of things on this site and have given all you need to do it yourself . From now on i have to say i am backing out for awhile and concentrate on making some money from My Circuits and ideas . If anyone in the world needs money its me . we are broke . on food stamps . losing my truck soon . i owe 14000 more dollars on it and my income is less than 500 per month for me and My 7 year old daughter . I am permanently disabled with vertigo nasua and migrains as there is nothing further after almost 3 years of treatment that the docs can do . Do you Blame me ? If yall can't make it . well then i can but they are going for a price . take care and good luck !
« Last Edit: February 11, 2009, 05:01:34 AM by gadgetmall »

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #62 on: February 11, 2009, 04:30:29 AM »
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #63 on: February 11, 2009, 06:02:10 AM »
I also used brand new SLA that I just purchased at RadioShack on sarturday ($34.99 each ouch!!). They had resting voltages at 12.65v both. So I assume they were indeed new and never used.

I ALSO understand, based on my over 200 load tests that I did on the past over an SSG, that SLAs are horrible for converting the radiant energy into negative energy (as Bedini explains). Flooded cells are much better and react better with this kind of energy but again testing against my 100amp/hour battery would take me literaly weeks before seeing the effect of 15ma draw of power from this circuit.

I will try again, off course, the schematic presented by gadgetmall (thank you for the schematics and keeping us informed). I will test against my new SLAs, my old SLAs (very bad damaged batteries) and my flooded lead acid ones.

Ah also, I fell to mention my 48v fan has a 150 ohms resitance on the two windings together and another 150 ohms on the other two windings together which makes me believe that each widing or pole is really 75 ohms.

Fausto.
just a note that the charge test was done on a wet cell motorcycle battery . John Bedini is right that overunity is in these battery's. I also have a very large Bank of Forklift wet cells 24 volt bank i restored with My other Large sg . she is hot now with three inverters on it now total 8000 watts at 120vac 60cycles . Its being charged with  4 panels i bought from the carrizo plant in California for dirt cheap each panel is i1footby 4 feet so i have a4x4 foot setup tracking the sun with a homemade sat dish mount and setup producing 28 volts 9 amps in the sun . this used to put out 29 volts 15 amps so after almost 20 years they lost a little . you can buy them as they change them every 10 or so years , they focus mirrors on them and get 10folds off the silicon solar cells so they are slightly Brown when  i got them . back then they were 100 per panel . these panels would normally be 1700-2000 new each . investment on My solar panels forkliftbatterys and inverters is 1000 dollars . I got a deal on a trace inverter its sine wave and the other two inverters i found in the military junk yard . she runs the house for 5 days as i have a backup 12 volt freezer/refrigerator i picked up at a flee market for 20 bucks . it was used by the Nc agricultural Lab team to keep frozen fish samples on the road . I like alot . it has a tiny compressor in it and runs off a dead 12 volt battery all day long . Sweet ..i know :)  . well i have electricity now when they come to shut me off . so lights and entertainment and keeping food cold is no problem .
I have been in the free energy stuff for a very long time and it needs to pay off now . keep at it . it works .try a zener in place of the diode on base . .I did that it charges faster with the fan running just barely ,not in osc mod . it must be the pulses ? . i don't know and i don't care really . i don't need to know how it works all i need is the benefits it is  give me .That goes for My piggyback system . it runs 24-7 . i need to put it to good use when spring gets here . It just overcharges sla batterys and burns them up . I dont have an automatic switcher made yet so i have frankinstine knife switches i have to remember to throw every several days . EDIT . I forgot about Water . The Bastards shut My Watert off and i am paid up!!. If it isn;t one thing its the other .
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #64 on: February 11, 2009, 06:13:22 AM »
@ gadgetmall

are you sure the diode on the base of the transistor is connected correctly? would it be the other way around? the way I see it sounds like it is shorting the battery via the trigger coil.

[Edit] not really shorting the battery (sorry about that) but it is different of the regular SSG.

Fausto.
Its so tiny that yes it probably goes the other way  . . it should be as a standard circuit , i did not reference it with his circuit but then again the diode is very tiny and glass . i could not see the mark for anode . another thing is it might be a zener . i dont know the breakdown voltage . it came from a atx power supply .

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #65 on: February 11, 2009, 07:07:20 AM »
gadgetmall

I did try another coil but the loading stopped oscillation.

I have tried again with your latest circuit showing the rather strange 'reversed' diode on the transistor base and it does oscillate under certain conditions but still no battery charging is evident. I've also tried it the conventional way round and it still does not charge. If you are really are charging a battery to a decent voltage then you really do have something special here. How long does it take to add 0.1V to the battery voltage from just after you dump the cap and can you take your battery right up to fully charged above 14V? Also, what frequency is your circuit oscillating at after cap dump?

Hoppy
Im not that great in math these days . at 5:35 am my wet cell test battery was 10.09 volts  at 10:00 pm it was 13.08 . can you figure a rate of charge . i cant say about the frequency as i did this test without the cap so it was spinning very very slow and just the tinyest squeak .. It is a sweetspot and the next one is going to have another 10 turn pot on it will do that fine adjustment .
« Last Edit: February 11, 2009, 05:12:46 PM by gadgetmall »

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #66 on: February 11, 2009, 04:10:02 PM »
Im not that great in math these days . at 5:35 am my wet cell test battery was 10.09 volts  at 10:00 pm it was 13.08 . can you figure a rate of charge . i cant say about the frequency as i did this test without the cap so it was spinning very very slow and just the tinyest squeak .. It is a sweetspot and the next one is going to have another 10 turn pot on it wo do that fine adjustment .

Hi Gadgetmall

That's very impressive! Have you thought about enetreing for the OU prize on this forum?

Hoppy

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #67 on: February 11, 2009, 04:53:37 PM »
Hi Gadgetmall

That's very impressive! Have you thought about enetreing for the OU prize on this forum?

Hoppy
Its mostly John bedinis circuit . I don't need a copywriter lawsuit :) It would be all over the energetic fourm  and He has enuff money he would sue me ... . Believe me i thought about it ..and itmakes me wonder why Bedini himself hasn't Claimed  the prize . HMMM.. MIB o yeah .
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #68 on: February 11, 2009, 06:14:27 PM »
Its mostly John bedinis circuit . I don't need a copywriter lawsuit :) It would be all over the energetic fourm  and He has enuff money he would sue me ... . Believe me i thought about it ..and itmakes me wonder why Bedini himself hasn't Claimed  the prize . HMMM.. MIB o yeah .

He's first got to prove it to everyone and that's very difficult if other people can't get his design working OU for themselves.  ;)

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #69 on: February 13, 2009, 05:32:57 PM »
I have been trying every single possible combination on this self-runner with varied results. I can make it run extremely economical, even though it is using 20ma the battery thinks I am using only 5ma, which means I can extend the run-time to 4x.

I have not succesfully made a self-runner YET but I think I understand (if gadgetmall is being honest and accurate, which I think he is) how this could possibly work.

Below are two pictures of the circuit, the first is gadgetmall design and the second is how I see it. You will notice that on the second circuit you will see basically two LC circuits that are only sharing the negative of the battery and they are mutally inducing to each other a resonance. Each LC (the one on the left and the one on the right) are also exclusively in resonance if the correct parameters are chosen. Once they are both in resonance and mutually affecting each other the whole circuit becomes a resonant LC circuit (LC3).

Once that LC3 (the whole circuit) is in resonance it will cost the battery very little to run it and that is in line with my data during my tests. Also notice that picture of the scope shots. They are showing two waves from two probes, one probe on the base of C1 and the other probe on the anode of the diode D2. They are showing (at least in my non-expert eletronics view) two almost identical signals but inverted from each other or in reciprocity. This makes me believe that when LC on the left is running to its maximum the LC on the right it is also running to its maximum but with opposite sign, therefore conserving the total energy of the system (as one would expect from an resonant circuit).

But now notice the spikes on the end of each wave, they are 300v spikes (when the the capacitor C2 is not in use). I think those are the free elements of the whole process because they ARE the radiant spikes (as Bedini says) and they are created during the collapsing of the magnetic field in the coils of the fan. They are not BEMF only. Those are free (we did not pay for it) and they are the ones that charges the Lead Acid battery (as Bedini said it again) when the "special diode" D3 is used, because D3 will force that radiant energy to go to the battery only.

Therefore it is possible, at least in my humble theory, to run this circuit in resonance and self-running mode as gadgetmall claims. If I am right I think the next approach is to increase the number os those spikes while continuing to maintain the resonance of all three LCs circuits (the one on the left and right and the third being the whole circuit).

What do you guys think?

Fausto.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2009, 07:52:57 PM by plengo »

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #70 on: February 14, 2009, 12:13:24 AM »
Hi Fausto

I ran my high resistance coil on a Bedini rotor and found a couple of sweet spots without C1. With C1 in circuit I could only get self-oscillation. Connecting the output (C2 pos) to the battery resulted in the lowest current draw around 5mA but no self-charging with or without C1. I can only think that there is something special about the fan that Gadgetmall is using. The only other possibility is that his meter battery is low which could cause reading errors.

Hoppy


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« Reply #71 on: February 14, 2009, 04:03:04 PM »
Ok guys, my first results using a Lead Acid Battery running the SSG (aka gadgetmall) in self-oscilation mode (the fan is not rotating) is that it is indeed increasing the voltage of my battery.

It is using a wopping 3.45ma (I know hilarious) but still managing to charge the battery. It is charging the battery so slow that even letting any battery sitting in a corner would loose more energy faster than this is gaining, but nonethless it is indeed charging. No, it is not depleted battery on my meters because I am using 4 different meters and I charge their batteries many times a day. Now here is the even more hilarious, it increased the voltage in a huge amount of .... 0.01v (I know it is ridiculous).

I have tested this battery discharge in the same rate (3.45ma) and it will loose 0.01v in less them 1 hour but running this modified SSG will gain that much in a few hours so there is something here.

There is a fine line where the resistance in the pot at the base of the transistor start making the total consumption go up when you decrease the resistance or decrease, but there is a spot where the current usage it the minimum (as in hitting the bottom of a bell shaped curve). Only there the system works.

My next step is to create a second SSG mod circuit and try it with the fan spinning.

Below are pictures of two probes connected at the bottom of C1 (see previous posts) and at the anode of D2. First is both signals separated and the second is both with their zero at the center of the screen to show their superposition. This time you can not see the high voltage spikes simply because they are totally absorved by the battery. Third picture is one probe only at anode of D2 at 10x and 5v divisions (all pictures are at 5v division 1x probe except the third and fourth picture) with the return path to the battery disconnect so that you can see the high voltage spikes and the fourth picture is the same as the third plus the other probe at the C1.

BTW, this does not work with gel cell or sealed lead acid battery neither capacitors.

Fausto.
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #72 on: February 14, 2009, 05:27:53 PM »
Hi Fausto

I ran my high resistance coil on a Bedini rotor and found a couple of sweet spots without C1. With C1 in circuit I could only get self-oscillation. Connecting the output (C2 pos) to the battery resulted in the lowest current draw around 5mA but no self-charging with or without C1. I can only think that there is something special about the fan that Gadgetmall is using. The only other possibility is that his meter battery is low which could cause reading errors.

Hoppy


Hello Hoppy . No My fluke battery is new , I also have 4 DMMS and 4 analogs .. they indicate Voltage rise .. There is one thing Special  maybe two..or three
No1. the keeper is off the fan .....No2  the fan is mounted with the blades down and is holding itself with the magnitisim  no. 3 i put a hard drive magnet on the fan to help hold it on . (i forgot about it because it was black and My eyes arnt that great .. So it might be getting extra pulses from the extra magnet  ???? i don't know all i know is it works . At least you see it is a very efficient circuit , way more than a normal Bedini ..It  does its best with the fan just barley turning .. 

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« Reply #73 on: February 14, 2009, 05:34:10 PM »
Ok guys, my first results using a Lead Acid Battery running the SSG (aka gadgetmall) in self-oscilation mode (the fan is not rotating) is that it is indeed increasing the voltage of my battery.

It is using a wopping 3.45ma (I know hilarious) but still managing to charge the battery. It is charging the battery so slow that even letting any battery sitting in a corner would loose more energy faster than this is gaining, but nonethless it is indeed charging. No, it is not depleted battery on my meters because I am using 4 different meters and I charge their batteries many times a day. Now here is the even more hilarious, it increased the voltage in a huge amount of .... 0.01v (I know it is ridiculous).

I have tested this battery discharge in the same rate (3.45ma) and it will loose 0.01v in less them 1 hour but running this modified SSG will gain that much in a few hours so there is something here.

There is a fine line where the resistance in the pot at the base of the transistor start making the total consumption go up when you decrease the resistance or decrease, but there is a spot where the current usage it the minimum (as in hitting the bottom of a bell shaped curve). Only there the system works.

My next step is to create a second SSG mod circuit and try it with the fan spinning.

Below are pictures of two probes connected at the bottom of C1 (see previous posts) and at the anode of D2. First is both signals separated and the second is both with their zero at the center of the screen to show their superposition. This time you can not see the high voltage spikes simply because they are totally absorved by the battery. Third picture is one probe only at anode of D2 at 10x and 5v divisions (all pictures are at 5v division 1x probe except the third and fourth picture) with the return path to the battery disconnect so that you can see the high voltage spikes and the fourth picture is the same as the third plus the other probe at the C1.

BTW, this does not work with gel cell or sealed lead acid battery neither capacitors.

Fausto.
Very Nice and Congrats on your Sucess replicating My Circuit . thank you for proving  i am not nuts :) Try the magnet on the fan and invert the fan so gravity pull on the fan itself and lose the keeper (be careful the back bearing tends to slip up and then you have to reset it . )
 .01 volts is still a Gain . and with a bit more tuning you will get it . BTH  Youll  see once you get the  YKW  .The Effect you are seeing is Close to exactly what i am seeing . You need a Well Conditioned Wet cell battery Conditioned with a Bedini . Charged and Discharged many times . It will receive the Charge form our powersupplybedini a lot faster .Also i LOVE your Scope Shots , that tell the Story just like i said . . and i DOn't think i have ever Seen such a perfect h waveform ..
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Albert
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #74 on: February 15, 2009, 04:14:07 AM »
@gadgetmall

I did the trick with the magnet and put the fan upside down. Definitely it improved it. The magnet helped in keeping the "beating" or pulse to its minimum while still spinning without over speeding and using too much current. My setup now is using about 6 to 8ma and spins at 200 to 300 rpm. With the magnet I am able to keep it just spinning slow enough but because of the weight of the magnet it is enough to continue spinning until the next pulse which keeps things going (inertia helps).

I am trying to accomplish with the slow speed is to have 50 or more pulses per rotation which ARE the radiant spikes that recharges the battery while the transistor is turning off, therefore sending the signal back to the battery when the current is NOT flowing FROM the battery. It is very tricky because Bedini said many times that you can not charge a battery when it is in running mode. In other words, one can not take current out and put it in "at the same time", BUT one can take current out, stop and put current in, which is exactly what we are doing here (current or radiant energy in this case).

Concerning the battery being "condidionted", I not only agree with you but also kind of theorized (quietly to myself) that it is working for you because exactly that. When the battery is conditioned it will convert the radiant spike into real energy much faster. I was even going to ask you that but you said it already on the last post (THANK YOU). This totally confirmed my theory that the next step would be to make it run with the same signal that I have before (show on my previous post's pictures) but with many more spikes (and here is a few pictures to show my new waves).

Another interesting thing is, if I run this system not tunned properly and while it runs it runs the battery down, lets say I run it for 2 hours. I can stop it and let the battery rest and it will charge itself up to a higher voltage all by itself. This is in total agreement with what Bedini said about radiant energy and his technologies. I have not being able, YET, to make it self-runner with the FAN running, only in self-oscilation mode.

I guess it is only a matter of experimenting more and trying to fine tune it with different transistors, diodes, resistances on the base of the transistor and capacitors. I will get there.

Fausto.

 

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