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Author Topic: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!  (Read 174344 times)

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2009, 03:49:52 AM »
Today I got my 48v fan and I could not stand the excitement of modifying it and put it to work. It was very easy to open it remove the existing circuit and modify the poles from 3 to 4. I did not even needed to install posts to hold the wires I just solded the wired to the enameled coils and bend them into place. Put all together and replaced my 12v fan with the new 48 fan.

AND, guess how well it runs? IT IS GORGEOUS. It really runs in self-mode and charge another 100amp/h battery.

This fan runs extremely quiet and the signal is just the very known Bedini H curve signal. BEAUTIFULL!!!!

I can witness that this indeed works.

I will post pictures, videos and so on. I am on the works!

Fausto.
« Last Edit: February 07, 2009, 04:40:29 AM by plengo »

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2009, 01:17:23 PM »
Hi all

I have replicated gadgetmails self runner circuit and I can give it a provisional thumbs up. I did not use a fan and instead wound a bifilar on an empty copper wire spool with 0.2mm dia ECW. The strand resistance is 70 ohms and the iron core is made from welding rods. The circuit is as per gadgetmails except I needed to add a diode in the connection between the cap pos and battery pos. A tap from a magnet is needed to start the oscillator and then left attached to one end of the iron core. after I dump the cap to battery, the oscillator continues at a low frequency only if the cap is of a high enough capacity. I found that 470uF works as does 220uF but low value caps will not work.

My battery does initially climb in voltage after the cap is dumped but stabilises out eventually. This is partly just the battery being taken off load from charging the cap but if a reasonably heavy load is applied for a short period, the battery does appear to re-charge quite quickly and returns to a voltage very close to the stabilised voltage. If the battery is left just powering the oscillator, it does not appear to discharge despite the 17mA being drawn by the oscillator. The circuit has been running for 18hrs so far without a drop in battery voltage. Another 24 hours will give me a better idea of whether anything special is going on after at least half an ampere hour has been removed from the battery.

I have attached the circuit shematic.

Hoppy

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2009, 02:43:38 PM »
@ gadgetmall

I picked this out the following from an earlier post of yours: -

"i had a few bad comments on the powersupply bedin saying it was a scam and some how i faked the video . that pissed me off . then there was another guy that told me DMM dont measure right with High frequency .....

I would say you should be delighted that you got a response like this from John Bedini. In my book it means you maybe onto something! I have seen similar responses from him to other people who in my opinion started to get 'too close'.

Hoppy

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2009, 09:55:54 AM »
Further tests have shown me that there is in fact no charging effect with my setup. The oscillations are being sustained at a very low current, in my case around 14mA. My waveform has a very short duty cycle and the power consumed by the oscillator is barely enough to illuminate a red LED very dimly. The effect of this is that the battery is under an extremely light load. The initial rise in terminal voltage after the cap dump can be quite prolonged but the terminal voltage will stabilise at some point very close to the original unloaded battery voltage. After this the discharge is extremeIy slow and in this very light loading condition the 'Peukert effect' effectively increases the ampere hour rating of the battery, making it very difficult to see a reduction in battery terminal voltage even over long periods of time. It can be better seen using a very low capacity battery that is slightly sulfated (has high internal resistance). I used a small 2.8A/hr SLA which was in bad condition.

I would agree with John Bedini in this case that self charging the primary battery is not possible with this setup. It is an illusionary effect caused by recovery after cap discharge.

Hoppy

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2009, 06:12:46 PM »
@ Hoppy,

thank you for your response. I was very excited too in the beggining. My new setup with 48v fan running with two brand new 12v 5ah SLAs seams to have the exact same effect, slow discharging but still discharging.

It would be great if gadgetmall could give a more detail schematic and component parts so that I could replicate in more perfection.

So far for me, even though I was very excited with my initial results, is that it is indeed discharging when using an SLA. I also must say that under a flooded lead acid battery I still do not have a conclusive result because my battery is 100ah and therefore will take a good week to see any results.

I have not given up yet, I am still testing different configurations.

Fausto.


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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2009, 06:18:24 PM »
Further tests have shown me that there is in fact no charging effect with my setup. The oscillations are being sustained at a very low current, in my case around 14mA. My waveform has a very short duty cycle and the power consumed by the oscillator is barely enough to illuminate a r

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2009, 06:25:11 PM »
Further tests have shown me that there is in fact no charging effect with my setup. The oscillations are being sustained at a very low current, in my case around 14mA. My waveform has a very short duty cycle and the power consumed by the oscillator is barely enough to illuminate a red LED very dimly. The effect of this is that the battery is under an extremely light load. The initial rise in terminal voltage after the cap dump can be quite prolonged but the terminal voltage will stabilise at some point very close to the original unloaded battery voltage. After this the discharge is extremeIy slow and in this very light loading condition the 'Peukert effect' effectively increases the ampere hour rating of the battery, making it very difficult to see a reduction in battery terminal voltage even over long periods of time. It can be better seen using a very low capacity battery that is slightly sulfated (has high internal resistance). I used a small 2.8A/hr SLA which was in bad condition.

I would agree with John Bedini in this case that self charging the primary battery is not possible with this setup. It is an illusionary effect caused by recovery after cap discharge.

Hoppy
thank you hoppy and others  for replication and testing results  . the only thing i see wrong with that setup is you are using a sulfated battery . John Bedini himself said Overunity is in the Battery . If you use a bad battery then all the work it produced is going to desulfinating and not charging . I used a new battery standing voltage 12.84 after half hour 12.58 after an hour 12.60 . If i could make a suggestion and run your test once more with a Clean battery as mine shows a Charge after three days ..thanks again even if you prove that it is only an illusion it a dam good one eyh ? I have attached  a schematic of the best i can see . Its just a standard bedini circuit with the addition of the primary rectifier . is it possible that the transistor is breaking down on the bemf pulse and charging that way ?

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2009, 06:50:50 PM »
Hi all

I have replicated gadgetmalls self runner circuit and I can give it a provisional thumbs up. I did not use a fan and instead wound a bifilar on an empty copper wire spool with 0.2mm dia ECW. The strand resistance is 70 ohms and the iron core is made from welding rods. The circuit is as per gadgetmails except I needed to add a diode in the connection between the cap pos and battery pos. A tap from a magnet is needed to start the oscillator and then left attached to one end of the iron core. after I dump the cap to battery, the oscillator continues at a low frequency only if the cap is of a high enough capacity. I found that 470uF works as does 220uF but low value caps will not work.

My battery does initially climb in voltage after the cap is dumped but stabilises out eventually. This is partly just the battery being taken off load from charging the cap but if a reasonably heavy load is applied for a short period, the battery does appear to re-charge quite quickly and returns to a voltage very close to the stabilised voltage. If the battery is left just powering the oscillator, it does not appear to discharge despite the 17mA being drawn by the oscillator. The circuit has been running for 18hrs so far without a drop in battery voltage. Another 24 hours will give me a better idea of whether anything special is going on after at least half an ampere hour has been removed from the battery.

I have attached the circuit shematic.

Hoppy
Hoppy . Being you see some of the effects and you wound your own coil and you know the Ma'draw of your circuit could you not wind another secondary over that and come up with the extra milli amps . I think so .This circuit should not work at all but as you all see it does Feedback .thank you .
Albert

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #53 on: February 09, 2009, 07:07:03 PM »
@plengo
   thank you for attempting to replicate . i have not tried it on a very high amp battery yet . Here is the schematic you requested with the additions . i forgot to put the value of the osc cap . its 1mfd 200v NON-pol cap ..  the other thing is the little glass diode on the  base /collector . i don't know the value . it might even be a zener . i just grab what i got check the transistor for pins where npn or pnp  and go with it . i do know that my fan unit will blow a 100 volt cap on the secondary so be careful . it put out over 250 volts without a neon . i didn't want to blow the windings so i use a neon

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #54 on: February 09, 2009, 07:21:01 PM »
thank you hoppy and others  for replication and testing results  . the only thing i see wrong with that setup is you are using a sulfated battery . John Bedini himself said Overunity is in the Battery . If you use a bad battery then all the work it produced is going to desulfinating and not charging . I used a new battery standing voltage 12.84 after half hour 12.58 after an hour 12.60 . If i could make a suggestion and run your test once more with a Clean battery as mine shows a Charge after three days ..thanks again even if you prove that it is only an illusion it a dam good one eyh ? I have attached  a schematic of the best i can see . Its just a standard bedini circuit with the addition of the primary rectifier . is it possible that the transistor is breaking down on the bemf pulse and charging that way ?

Thanks for posting your schematic.

I would point out that my first attempt was with a very well conditioned battery. I used the much smaller sulfated battery to show that the battery was in fact discharging. IMO you could wait a very long time to see a voltage reduction using even a small new and good conditioned battery. Ideally, the test needs to be conducted over a week or more, not just a day or two. I saw no movement downwards at all over 48 Hours using my well conditioned 20A/hr battery. As I mentioned earlier, Its important to realise that the Peukert effect works in reverse when very small loads and the very small load being presented by this circuit gives us a battery with a very high effective capacity.

Hoppy.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #55 on: February 09, 2009, 09:15:48 PM »
I also used brand new SLA that I just purchased at RadioShack on sarturday ($34.99 each ouch!!). They had resting voltages at 12.65v both. So I assume they were indeed new and never used.

I ALSO understand, based on my over 200 load tests that I did on the past over an SSG, that SLAs are horrible for converting the radiant energy into negative energy (as Bedini explains). Flooded cells are much better and react better with this kind of energy but again testing against my 100amp/hour battery would take me literaly weeks before seeing the effect of 15ma draw of power from this circuit.

I will try again, off course, the schematic presented by gadgetmall (thank you for the schematics and keeping us informed). I will test against my new SLAs, my old SLAs (very bad damaged batteries) and my flooded lead acid ones.

Ah also, I fell to mention my 48v fan has a 150 ohms resitance on the two windings together and another 150 ohms on the other two windings together which makes me believe that each widing or pole is really 75 ohms.

Fausto.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2009, 09:20:28 PM »
@plengo
   thank you for attempting to replicate . i have not tried it on a very high amp battery yet . Here is the schematic you requested with the additions . i forgot to put the value of the osc cap . its 1mfd 200v NON-pol cap ..  the other thing is the little glass diode on the  base /collector . i don't know the value . it might even be a zener . i just grab what i got check the transistor for pins where npn or pnp  and go with it . i do know that my fan unit will blow a 100 volt cap on the secondary so be careful . it put out over 250 volts without a neon . i didn't want to blow the windings so i use a neon
@ gadgetmall

are you sure the diode on the base of the transistor is connected correctly? would it be the other way around? the way I see it sounds like it is shorting the battery via the trigger coil.

[Edit] not really shorting the battery (sorry about that) but it is different of the regular SSG.

Fausto.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2009, 09:45:34 PM by plengo »

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #57 on: February 09, 2009, 09:39:19 PM »
Hoppy . Being you see some of the effects and you wound your own coil and you know the Ma'draw of your circuit could you not wind another secondary over that and come up with the extra milli amps . I think so .This circuit should not work at all but as you all see it does Feedback .thank you .
Albert

gadgetmall

I did try another coil but the loading stopped oscillation.

I have tried again with your latest circuit showing the rather strange 'reversed' diode on the transistor base and it does oscillate under certain conditions but still no battery charging is evident. I've also tried it the conventional way round and it still does not charge. If you are really are charging a battery to a decent voltage then you really do have something special here. How long does it take to add 0.1V to the battery voltage from just after you dump the cap and can you take your battery right up to fully charged above 14V? Also, what frequency is your circuit oscillating at after cap dump?

Hoppy

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2009, 11:58:37 PM »
are you sure the diode on the base of the transistor is connected correctly? would it be the other way around?

Yeh, it seems to be shown incorrectly. I would think that the transistor would not turn on with the diode shown in that polarity direction and connected across the base to ground. It would act as a shunt across the base, unless the diode is silicon with a 0.6v turn on and the transistor base to emitter junction is germanium with a 0.2 to 0.4 volt turn on.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #59 on: February 10, 2009, 12:18:39 AM »
@hoptoad,

hey, good do see you hoptoad. Excellent stuff of yours about the Adam's motor that you sent. I really liked your explanation about "why" it works as it works.

Fausto.

 

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