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Author Topic: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!  (Read 177285 times)

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #285 on: March 10, 2009, 04:42:21 PM »
Hi,

Here is my Helmholtz Coils Oscillator battery charger.

Adjusted, the circuit uses 0,1 amp.at 12,00 volt from the lab supply.

I have two 12 volt 7 Amp. GEL batteries in parallel on the output.
Both batteries is charging well. Started out as 10,5 volt but has gained voltage up to 11,24 volt
in half an hour charging. The coils and transistor runs very cool. No heating in the circuit.

Now it is exciting to see how long it takes to fully charge both batteries.

Groundloop.

Hey Groundloop would you be able to describe how can I build that coil myself?

And do you mean that the battery that runs is the same that charges, correct?

Fausto.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #286 on: March 10, 2009, 04:47:39 PM »
@AbbaRue,

Thank you for explaining how to build lead acid batteries.

One question, where do you get the lead dioxide (PbO2) to put on
the lead plates?

I do not agree that 7 amp batteries is to big to see if a circuit is o/u or not.
If a circuit puts out more than it receives then a depleted battery will gain
voltage. If not there is no o/u. I always try to design my test circuits to use
one battery just for that reason.

Groundloop.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #287 on: March 10, 2009, 04:55:13 PM »
Fausto,

No, on this circuit I charge two paralleled batteries from the circuit output.
The input power is from my lab supply. I like to test the circuit before I
start modifying the circuit for closed loop operation. I will try to loop the
output from the circuit later on.

Making the coils is easy, find a round item (a jar or bottle) and wind the copper
wire around that item. Slide off the coil and tape it all the way round. I used
a glass jar with a diameter of 84mm. I used 0,35mm enameled copper wire
and 200 turns.

Groundloop.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #287 on: March 10, 2009, 04:55:13 PM »
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #288 on: March 10, 2009, 11:46:16 PM »
When you connect the homemade battery to a power supply it will develop the PbO2.
I once bought a new motorcycle battery from Canadian Tire and it was on the shelf without acid in it.
The case was transparent and you could see the plates inside.  All of them were just lead, no PbO2 plates.
They told me I had to come back the next day to pick up the battery because they had to add the acid and
get the battery conditioned to the right polarity by charging it over night.   
What ever polarity you give the homemade battery with the first charge that will remain it's polarity.
If you take an almost completely dead lead acid battery and connect it up in reverse to a power supply
you can change the polarity of the battery.

What I meant about it being difficult to see if large battery is charging is that it takes a long time to see results.
A very small amp hour battery will charge and discharge within minutes instead of hours. 
If this bedini fan motor can run off a very low amp hour battery for hours without a change in voltage like some reported,
that in itself would be significant.


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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #289 on: March 13, 2009, 11:21:55 PM »
Hi,

I guess that nobody is even remotely interested, but here is my newest build.

The rotor is inside the coils and runs very well indeed. The coils is approx. 50 Ohm (DC)
and is wound around a plastic tube. Each coil is 500 turns 0,35mm enameled copper wire.

EDIT-1 I have measured the input usage. I'm not able to see how much current this motor use.
           My best estimate is that the current usage is less than 5mA at 9,27 Volt.

Groundloop.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2009, 11:50:58 PM by Groundloop »

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #290 on: March 14, 2009, 03:16:49 AM »
That is pretty cool Groundloop. Sounds like we are almost like a Newman's motor.

What was the results of your previous setup with the Helmholtz coils that would later be a self-runner test? Any good results?

Fausto.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #291 on: March 14, 2009, 07:57:17 AM »
@ Groundloop:

Are those magnets facing out North as in the Bedini?  does/would it make any difference in your set-up?  Nice build, very neat.

Bill
« Last Edit: March 14, 2009, 10:01:21 AM by Pirate88179 »

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #292 on: March 14, 2009, 09:59:09 AM »
Fausto,

Thanks.

I did test the Helmholtz coils but the current usage was high. I could not find any o/u.
The "power" coil also did get very warm when using the circuit as a battery charger.

So I just removed the coils and made the new coil onto a plastic tube. This new
setup is indeed almost like a Newman's motor and it runs very well on small input usage.
I think if you really want to make Newman's motor then why use the axle through the coils
when you can put the rotor onto a ball bearing system inside the coils instead.

@Pirate88179,

Thanks.

No. The magnets is NS, one magnet North out and the other South out. I haven't tried a rotor with the same
magnet polarity so I can't say if that works or not, but I assume it will. One has to reverse the trigger coil
connection when doing that, I guess.

Last night I made a pickup coil. I then tested the coil on the motor. The coil did work but slowed the motor.
I then removed the rotor and ran the circuit in solid state mode. I tested the pickup coil inside the circuit
coil. I got 14 volt out of the pickup coil (input to circuit was 9 volt) and a secondary battery did start to charge.

Groundloop.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #293 on: March 15, 2009, 02:09:22 AM »
Hi,

I guess that nobody is even remotely interested, but here is my newest build.

The rotor is inside the coils and runs very well indeed. The coils is approx. 50 Ohm (DC)
and is wound around a plastic tube. Each coil is 500 turns 0,35mm enameled copper wire.

EDIT-1 I have measured the input usage. I'm not able to see how much current this motor use.
           My best estimate is that the current usage is less than 5mA at 9,27 Volt.

Groundloop.
Hi . I find your Gadget is VERY Interesting and your Craftsmanship is awesome to say the least .please Keep up the Great Work . You Current draw is right along the lines of a 48 volt fan Coil . I think this Circuit needs a little Tweaking to make her run at unity .  Thanks you for Posting its a nice Machine . Do you realize that those good desulfanators like the solargizer are 175.00 us .and Bedinies are 1100.00 +  and i know because i bought several years ago(Solargizers)  . they work ok for keeping a battery fresh  but not as good as a homemade one ..
Best Regards
Al

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #293 on: March 15, 2009, 02:09:22 AM »
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #294 on: March 15, 2009, 02:34:38 AM »
@gadgetmall,

Thank you for the nice words.

Yes, I'm planning to try out your serial capacitor method and see if I can get this circuit
to run at unity or at close to unity as possible. I already have tested the pick up coil
and the coil can easily put out 14 - 15 volt when the circuit runs solid state. (Without
a rotor installed.) Another test will be using a small 1,5 volt motor as a generator inside
the coils. The generator will have two Neos on the axle. Will be back soon with a report
on how that works out.

Thanks,
Groundloop.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #295 on: March 15, 2009, 02:33:16 PM »
Hi,

I mounted a couple of NEOs onto a small electric motor and put the motor inside the coil.
The circuit coil was able to run the motor at relative high speed but I did not get any
voltage out of the motor. The next test was to apply a voltage to the motor from the
same battery as the coil circuit was connected to. The rpm of the motor did go higher
than just from the battery due to the fact that the coils also did spin the rotor magnets.
I did notice a couple of tuning point on the 10K variable resistor where the current
usage was lower. All in all the circuit did use way too much current from the battery.
I think this test shows that it is possible to make a NEO rotor that drives a generator
inside the coil. Maybe a small Muller generator is the way to go here?

Groundloop.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #295 on: March 15, 2009, 02:33:16 PM »
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #296 on: March 16, 2009, 02:39:02 AM »
I have been testing my "sucessfull" setup with a small 12v wet cell lead acid 20 amp/h not conditioned to radiant energy and my results are miserable.

It only looses energy unlike when I used a conditioned battery. I can with certainty tell you that a conditioned battery makes a difference from night to day.

I am not even able to maintain the voltage as I did previously.

My next step will be to condition this battery with about 20 charge and discharges using my Bedini SSG and try the whole test again.

Fausto.
« Last Edit: March 16, 2009, 03:27:27 AM by plengo »

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #297 on: March 23, 2009, 05:06:33 PM »
I am on the 5 charge cycle of creating a "reconditioned" battery for the continuation of this experiment. It takes lots of time.

Fausto.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #298 on: March 23, 2009, 05:29:19 PM »
@ Plengo:

Now that I have my Bedini replication up and running, when I get time I will take apart one of my  48 volts fans and try to replicate this.  On my Bedini, (using two 12 volt motorcycle batteries) it ran what seemed like forever on the run battery, which, as suggested by Gadgetmall, I did not charge when I bought them, I just put it to work after the electrolyte was added.  I ran it until the run battery got down to 11.4 volts and my charge battery was up to 13.8.  I just switched the batteries last night and am running it again.

Best of luck to you on this replication and on your experiments.  I look forward to hearing of your results.

Bill

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #299 on: March 28, 2009, 09:02:59 PM »
I am on cycle 8 of charging and discharging my battery (making it conditioned).

Oh boy, takes forever to do that!

Fausto.

 

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