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Author Topic: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!  (Read 177338 times)

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #240 on: March 06, 2009, 12:13:30 AM »
I started my new series of tests for the 9v NiCd batteries.

@Gadgetmall,

can you, please, post a picture of your fan with magnet positioned so that I can have a better idea of how you did it? If not, look at the pictures and tell me which one is closer to your setup you think.


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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #241 on: March 06, 2009, 09:47:53 PM »
So far my 9v NiCd tests are an utterly failure.

I have not been able to replicate my own replication using those small batteries neither with two 5amp/h SLAs.

 :(

I guess science is winning!

Fausto.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #242 on: March 07, 2009, 03:24:07 AM »
@ Fausto:

"I guess science is winning!"

Not for long.

Bill

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #242 on: March 07, 2009, 03:24:07 AM »
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #243 on: March 07, 2009, 08:08:20 AM »
So far my 9v NiCd tests are an utterly failure.

I have not been able to replicate my own replication using those small batteries neither with two 5amp/h SLAs.

 :(

I guess science is winning!

Fausto.

It's beginning to look like the battery capacity or condition is responsible for the charging effect. We know that a heavily loaded battery can show a rise in terminal voltage over quite a considerable period of time. This may also be the case using minimal loading on some batteries at varying rates and levels depending on capacity and condition of the battery.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #244 on: March 07, 2009, 08:31:17 AM »
I guess science is winning!
Fausto.
The word science is derived from latin (scientia) and basically means "to observe" or "to know".

You never lose anything by observing, but there is always knowledge to gain. Sometimes that knowledge will be in agreeance with "established" observation and sometimes it wont. When it doesn't match "established" observation, then you might challenge the validity of established observation, or humbly challenge your own. The trouble is, it's not usually our observation that leads us astray, it is our interpretations of what we observe.

I've had to challenge my own interpretations many times! ..... LOL  :P

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #245 on: March 07, 2009, 06:35:25 PM »
Hi experimenters . i have been in the hospital very sick . I am home now still sick . I see where you guys are making My Self running a sham by running it on NON Lead acid. It wont work . So keep on disproving it by using the wrong battery . I do Understand you must prove it to yourselves and if this is how your going to do so it then so be it .. Bedini said Overunity is in wet Cell Lead Acid Batterys . Period., .. Not nicads sla ni mh or what ever. Forget  it cause you guys are now on you own being you have constructed something i dont have and You were so Close .
Fausto i don't have mu metal hanging off my fan . Its half of a hard drive magnet not over laping the center a t all . no silver metal on My Magnet . . I have overunity . I use a Motorcycle battery . Plain and simple . you guys saw it run for weeks and no drop ,what  do you change it when you had it so close ?? No it needs the Chemical reactions as per Bedini' Findings in his book.so guys your on you own but i'm not gone . I just want to watch where this ends up . You might make it work with nicads . I can run it with Sla but the are lead acid also . Keep testing it and if something don't work right take a step backwards where it was ... take care.
Albert
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #246 on: March 07, 2009, 06:54:25 PM »
It's beginning to look like the battery capacity or condition is responsible for the charging effect. We know that a heavily loaded battery can show a rise in terminal voltage over quite a considerable period of time. This may also be the case using minimal loading on some batteries at varying rates and levels depending on capacity and condition of the battery.

Hoppy

I do see a fluctuation in voltage on the source battery using the 9v NiCd. It goes up and down in a very well defined rhythm, so for the case of this particular tests I can atest that what I recored on video "could" be the same phenomena but not necessarily.  I say that because the signal on the scope also shows that rhythm like waves over waves (look at the picture). The same DOES NOT happened when I used a wet cell. I dont have those waves on a wet cell at all.

The beauty of using small 9v NiCd is that I can hell test this in so many configurations that it is even difficult for me to track all. I kind of have to choose one path and record only that. There are so many weird things happening that I dont know where to start.

I have not given up yet.

Fausto

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #247 on: March 07, 2009, 06:58:13 PM »
Hi experimenters . i have been in the hospital very sick . I am home now still sick . I see where you guys are making My Self running a sham by running it wil NON wet Cells. It wont work . So keep on disproving it by using the wrong battery . Bedini said Overunity is in wet Cell Lead Acid Batterys . Period., .. Not nicads sla ni mh or what ever. Frrget it cause you guys are now on you own being you have constructed something i don;t have .
Fausto i dont have mu metal hanging off my fan . Its half of a hard drive magnet not over laping the center a t all . no silver metal on My Magnet . . I have overunity . I use a Motorcycle battery . Plain and simple . you guys saw it run for weeks and no drop ,what  do you change it when you had it so close ?? No it needs the Chemical reactions as per Bedini' Findings in his book.so guys your on you own . take care.
Albert

Thanks Albert. It is good to test against small batteries even if we think it will not work, just to satisfy our curiosity and others.

I just got a small wet 12v lead acid motorcycle battery at about 20 amp/h from a friend. It is dead (excellent). I am right now reconditioning using a Bedini 6 coils SSG that I built.

I can see totally different waves patterns with the wet cell and the NiCd. It definitely could be the chemicals in the wet cell that makes the miracle just like Bedini said.

Dont leave us my friend. I still need you to help me here.

Fausto.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #248 on: March 08, 2009, 12:40:52 AM »
Al:

Sorry to hear you were sick, I hope all is better now.  We all wondered what happened to you on the JT topic, folks were getting concerned.

I hope you continue with this device here as my five 48 volt fans have arrived and I am sure I will need your help, if you want to.  I would love to replicate this device if possible.

Take care and I hope you are well again.

Bill

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #249 on: March 08, 2009, 02:12:03 AM »
Hi experimenters . i have been in the hospital very sick . I am home now still sick . I see where you guys are making My Self running a sham by running it wil NON wet Cells. It wont work . So keep on disproving it by using the wrong battery . Bedini said Overunity is in wet Cell Lead Acid Batterys . Period., .. Not nicads sla ni mh or what ever. Frrget it cause you guys are now on you own being you have constructed something i don;t have .
Fausto i dont have mu metal hanging off my fan . Its half of a hard drive magnet not over laping the center a t all . no silver metal on My Magnet . . I have overunity . I use a Motorcycle battery . Plain and simple . you guys saw it run for weeks and no drop ,what  do you change it when you had it so close ?? No it needs the Chemical reactions as per Bedini' Findings in his book.so guys your on you own . take care.
Albert

Hi Gadgetmall,

Dont forget the JB Cigar box, ran on 9v NiCd for more than 7 years non stop so the chemistry is not the only reactive in the process. Look at EFTV , JB show clearly in many clip that he used SLA as well as wet cell. JB show a process with the SSG , not the final product, just the principle.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #250 on: March 08, 2009, 04:37:12 AM »
Hi Gadgetmall,

Dont forget the JB Cigar box, ran on 9v NiCd for more than 7 years non stop so the chemistry is not the only reactive in the process. Look at EFTV , JB show clearly in many clip that he used SLA as well as wet cell. JB show a process with the SSG , not the final product, just the principle.

Best Regards,
IceStorm
Yes i understand  why they must exhaust all logical answers first . There was mention of the little box in his book it was a   SS tesla switch . not a bedini and it used several nicads(4x1.2volt) that eventually went dead after 6 months(a liitle shy from 7 years) :)  but during the time it ran an electric motor.and if was something that was to be replicated it was probably the tesla switch he gave the schematics for . . It only needs the batterys to start the effect recycling .. tesla switch - Bedini - two separate beast but they both reley on the same thing for energy extraction . the BEMF
Best regards
Al 
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #251 on: March 08, 2009, 11:21:46 AM »
I read that the original Bedini SSG motor was operated by one 9 volt battery and ran for 2 weeks continuously  This was during the science fair experiment with the little school girl.  Now, I don't know if the 9 volt was a rechargeable or lead acid.  I am using 2 nicads 9 volts on my Bedini replication and it seems to work so far.  If I could afford 2 acid cell 12 volt bats I would have used them.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #252 on: March 08, 2009, 11:43:48 AM »
Hi Gadgetmall,

Dont forget the JB Cigar box, ran on 9v NiCd for more than 7 years non stop so the chemistry is not the only reactive in the process. Look at EFTV , JB show clearly in many clip that he used SLA as well as wet cell. JB show a process with the SSG , not the final product, just the principle.

Best Regards,
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I have observed the charging effect using small SLA's and John Bedini has only ever said that wet cell batteries show the effects of radiant charging better than SLA's. The question that remains unanswered for me is can this charging take a battery above its 'at rest' voltage to a fully charged state?  I have not yet seen this and until I do I will not be convinced that this is real charging.

Gadget need not be concerned that others may not believe his claim because he is unable to convince anyone by video anymore than anyboby else can with their claims. It is case of seeing first hand is believing. The video helps others to replicate an experiment and thats all. For instance Gadget says his setup runs OU. He has based this conclusion on his interpretation of his data set based on his knowledge, understanding and beliefs. Others observing the very same thing may reach a different conclusion based on their knowledge, understanding  and beliefs. Both conclusions are valid until an analysis based on accepted scientific principles is carried out and a consensus reached amongst those deemed qualified to do this. This is dilemna Bedini faces. He can believe what he wishes and make theories and claims accordingly but until the 'scientific establishment' sit up and take notice and invest time and money in attempting to validate his claims, they remain scientifically unproven.
 
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« Reply #253 on: March 08, 2009, 12:49:32 PM »
@ Hoppy:

You raise a valid point here but,...there is always a but, I know Gadgetmall (Al) and if he says his device does such and such, I believe him.  I am also going to try to replicate it, not to see if it is true, just to see it working after I build it.  If he was just some guy off the street that said this, then I would agree with you, but he isn't.  I really don't expect "science" to accept anytime soon Gadget's device, Earth Batteries, Joule Thief circuits, Bedini motors, etc.  These things are out there and I have seen them and worked with them.  They work.  To anyone that has any doubts I say, replicate.  But, when you replicate, do NOT swap transistors, capacitors, wire sizes, different coils, etc.  Do not change anything, which to me is the definition of replication, and having changed the design then say it does not work.  No, this only means YOUR changes to the design do not work, not the original design.

Bill

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #254 on: March 08, 2009, 01:37:34 PM »
@ Bill

You too raise a valid point about replication. Exact replication is the ideal but very difficult to achieve in terms of exactly replicating the type and most importantly condition of Gadget's battery, plus wiring sizes and interconnections and method and procedure for data collection.

I agree with you that the devices you list actually work. Like you, I have built and tested them. Bedini energisers do IMO charge batteries and improve their condition. Earth batteries do produce useable amounts of energy and JT's can light Flouro's, LED's and charge batteries. However, I have not seen OU / self-running from any system I have built using these devices and this is probably simply because I interpret the data differently to others that do claim OU from their setups.

I have no doubt that Gadget is sincere in his claim and I hope that he can develop his devices to a practical level that helps mankind.

Hoppy


 

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