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Author Topic: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!  (Read 181365 times)

Offline Goat

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #135 on: February 20, 2009, 06:13:11 PM »
@ gadgetmall

I asked Stefan about that in the forum access thread, he mentioned it was disabled because of email spam, see http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3893.msg158584#msg158584

Now we can't PM or view someones posts!

Damn spammers...LOL

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #135 on: February 20, 2009, 06:13:11 PM »

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #136 on: February 21, 2009, 12:59:55 AM »
@ Nieves
 We are all Proud of you and i had said before that you would get it . Very good Job now the only thing you have to do is Make sure you copy it down so you don't Loose It !!  Take snaps and draw up a Schematic while its purring away :) We want to see too! ;D)
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 @ALL Has anyone noticed you can't pm other users anymore  ?says Many apologies, but you can't view just any profile. . Stefan whats up ? Also the signatory section wont do BBC code like it says it will ....


Thank you @gadgetmall !
The schematic and photos are already posted and the motor is still running!!!!
What do you think of making the energy receiver. I would like to have some back up if the motor stops.
With the energy produced we can run the joule thief that runs the motor and get rid of the source batteries.

If you want to PM someone go to your profile and find an old PM message of the person you want to PM and click reply, then change the contents to what you want to say and send it.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #137 on: February 21, 2009, 04:05:23 AM »
Hi All

I decided to get rid of the 2N3055 transistor setup and broke open an old but working PS (power supply) from an old 800 MHz cpu so it didn't break my heart :)

I used the same EBM W2G110-AM41-92 Motor and used an 2SC2625 transistor from the PS.

I can get it to go in self oscillation and light the cap's neon in seconds rather than using the motor/fan.

If I add the wire going from the battery + across the cap then the motor dies, and it doesn't charge the battery.

Anyways I found a sweet spot that's running the fan at a whopping 795 RPM and holding the battery steady from the dozen or more configurations I had to try to get it to this point! 

I'm not going to list the details of the circuit yet because it's lost voltage over time from all the fooling around but now that I've found the sweet spot and the battery voltage has climbed back up for the last hour I'll leave it run for a couple of more hours and see ;D

Crazy thing is the rotor's been spinning all this time and now the Neon light's up for less than 10 seconds then when the cap is down the light shuts off and the cycle repeats itself, maybe that has something to do with the battery climbing back up and staying there all this time, time will tell but so far, MAJOR improvement :)

I only check the voltage once in a while and shut off the meter so as not to affect the circuit or drain the meter's batteries.

This was my day :) 

Thanks all,

Paul


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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #137 on: February 21, 2009, 04:05:23 AM »
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #138 on: February 21, 2009, 07:03:58 PM »
Paul that is wonderful . I had the feeling that your two pole stator would work somehow and those are promising results . Keep up the Great work !!
Bert Regards
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #139 on: February 21, 2009, 10:52:07 PM »
Hi all

I have continued experimenting with the fan motor and have made an interesting observation. Just for interest I converted the setup to an SCR cap pulser charging a seperate battery at a running current of 100mA. The primary was two small 2.8A/hr 12V SLA batteries in series. I wanted to see how well the modified fan motor would charge a seperate battery. I was very surprised when I saw both the primary and secondary batteries both climbing in voltage. This carried on for a good 10 mins when suddenly the primary voltage fell back in voltage. This perplexed me until I realised that one of the primary 12V batteries was in bad shape and had dropped voltage considerably. This made me wonder if the self-charging effect could also be triggered by unequal cell voltages in a single albeit healthy battery. I have many times observed a rising voltage over a period of time during discharge when a heavy load is applied to a battery. Could the same effect apply when a very light (sub C20 load) is applied to a battery that is being rapidly charged and discharged as we are doing with the 'feedback to source' arrangement??

I'm trying to obtain a low ampere hour wet cell battery because my 45A/hr battery is far too big IMO to see a definite and progressive reduction of terminal voltage (despite it being badly conditioned) over a day or so when discharging at very low currents below 30mA. The Peukert effect will substantially increase the effective ampere hour rating of a battery at extremely low current levels under its C20 rate, which makes matters worse in this respect. I had similar problems when experimenting with John Bedini's very low powered 'Window Motor' designs. My feeling is that if the 'feedback to source' setup could be run for 48hrs @ say 20mA on a very small wet cell battery under 5A/hrs, without voltage depletion, then this would confirm the 'effect' as nearly 1A/hr would have been taken from the battery.

Hoppy


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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #140 on: February 22, 2009, 12:15:29 AM »
I am having all sort of results on my experiments. Some good, some bad and some ugly. :)

Tunning has demonstrated to be very difficult in my 150 ohms per 2 widdings on the fan. I can run it in my best for days without any voltage drop but still no gain. Using SLAs on the exact same setup will in seconds loose voltage. Wet cell battery definitely plays an important part on the process.

Speed of fan is not that really important. I can run it very fast or very slow. What makes it important is the signal, lots of radiant spikes, with a long pause wave. That pause IS very important because it allows the battery to "receive" the spikes before output current again. The cap (C2 on previous schematics) will feed the fan while the battery "digests" the radiant.

Resistance of the fan will totally change the dynamics so I decided to use a trick. I doubled the voltage and re-tuned it. Just for the test now I am using an SLA (not good) with a wet lead acid in series totaling around 24+v. I have an excellent radiant spike above 200v before the first rotation is even completed. The spike is very scary actually. DO NOT TOUCH it at this source voltage level. Neither run this without the C2 cap.

Positioning two neo magnets in a specific location (one must find it) helps the spinning tremendously.

With this 24+v I am having excellent results so far. Soooo, lets wait another 3 days to see where the voltage will stand.

BTW, I am looking for a small wet cell lead acid battery that is around 2 to 5 amp/hour capacity to speed my tests. If anyone knows of a good site, please, let me know.

Fausto.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #141 on: February 22, 2009, 07:53:48 PM »

BTW, I am looking for a small wet cell lead acid battery that is around 2 to 5 amp/hour capacity to speed my tests. If anyone knows of a good site, please, let me know.

Fausto.

Fausto, have a look at UPS units, they contain 5 - 10 Ah lead acid mostly.
Another possibility might be lead acid battery for mopeds.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #142 on: February 22, 2009, 09:06:05 PM »
I was wondering if the principles of the "Time Energy Pump" could be implemented with these Bedini motors.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tep60sh.htm
Perhaps use a 555 timer to run one of these bedini fan motors.


@Hartiberlin
Are you the same Stefan Hartmann that worked on the TEP?
If so what kind of results did you finally come up with?

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #143 on: February 23, 2009, 03:55:50 AM »
Hi All,

Finally found a schematic (internal wiring diagram) for a brushless motor. Took apart my 12V  fan motor and tried to find out what the chip on my PC board was (an APX9140 hall sensor). Downloaded the data sheet and there was an application schematic (page 3)...which is the same wiring as on my motors' PC board, except mine doesn't have the capacitor. It also says that the capacitor is needed to eliminate high voltage spikes into Hall IC

Is this the wiring diagram that will work (bifilar windings)? Where would I tap into the coils to connect the fourth pin? I watched Imhoteps' videos but not sure where you tap into the coil for the fourth pin.

Here's the data sheet in pdf. Would be great if someone could re-draw the motor schematic with the necessary modifications.

Thanks!!

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #143 on: February 23, 2009, 03:55:50 AM »
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #144 on: February 23, 2009, 01:53:33 PM »
Hi All,

Finally found a schematic (internal wiring diagram) for a brushless motor. Took apart my 12V  fan motor and tried to find out what the chip on my PC board was (an APX9140 hall sensor). Downloaded the data sheet and there was an application schematic (page 3)...which is the same wiring as on my motors' PC board, except mine doesn't have the capacitor. It also says that the capacitor is needed to eliminate high voltage spikes into Hall IC

Is this the wiring diagram that will work (bifilar windings)? Where would I tap into the coils to connect the fourth pin? I watched Imhoteps' videos but not sure where you tap into the coil for the fourth pin.

Here's the data sheet in pdf. Would be great if someone could re-draw the motor schematic with the necessary modifications.

Thanks!!


If you take a good look at the schematic taken from the pdf you posted, the fan coil is a Joule thief coil implemented on a fan.

Jesus
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #145 on: February 23, 2009, 04:13:29 PM »
Last night I had an "Eureka" moment when I position some neo magnets on the fan and tuned it to a certain point where the sound of the "geese" fan was very peculiar and the voltage on my SLA reverted from going down to really going UP.

I could not believe it myself so I let it run for 3 hours without touching it and closely ignoring my two kids, wife and cats and TV and even youtube just staring at the meter (my setup using an SLA is very , very sensitive to voltage variations) with eager expectations and "voiala" the voltage was indeed getting higher at an .01v per hour. Soooo, I decided to record a video and take pictures of the phenomena  so I could post it here.

As I was doing that I had to Stop the fan, and put the fan upside down so that I could show the magnets. Doing that I accidentally moved one of the magnets and the whole tunned circuit changed. After that I still can not find the correct spot again and voltage is going down even faster than before. Oh boy!!!

There is a very fine point where the voltage climbs and out of that point voltage simply goes down. I am very hopefull that I indeed hit the right spot and will continue trying to repeat that again.

Fausto.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #146 on: February 23, 2009, 06:15:51 PM »
Last night I had an "Eureka" moment when I position some neo magnets on the fan and tuned it to a certain point where the sound of the "geese" fan was very peculiar and the voltage on my SLA reverted from going down to really going UP.

I could not believe it myself so I let it run for 3 hours without touching it and closely ignoring my two kids, wife and cats and TV and even youtube just staring at the meter (my setup using an SLA is very , very sensitive to voltage variations) with eager expectations and "voiala" the voltage was indeed getting higher at an .01v per hour. Soooo, I decided to record a video and take pictures of the phenomena  so I could post it here.

As I was doing that I had to Stop the fan, and put the fan upside down so that I could show the magnets. Doing that I accidentally moved one of the magnets and the whole tunned circuit changed. After that I still can not find the correct spot again and voltage is going down even faster than before. Oh boy!!!

There is a very fine point where the voltage climbs and out of that point voltage simply goes down. I am very hopefull that I indeed hit the right spot and will continue trying to repeat that again.

Fausto.
Wonderful . That is Exactly why i use FLAT magnet . I had ONE broke hard drive magnet . it is the only Black HD magnet i ever saw .I  stuck it on the front (only half)and its camouflaged and that is why i didn't mention it before  i could not see it . If you use Just one of those you can get that spot back and you wont  have to worry  because they won't MOVE !! . Yes that indeed does sound like geese dosnt it :) GOOD goose Produce Golden Eggs :)
Albert

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #147 on: February 24, 2009, 03:03:11 AM »
Ok, I got my eureka back!!!

I played today with different configuration of magnets "knowing" what I am looking for and only changing one parameter, the magnets.

The difference is instantaneous. As soon as I get the correct positioning the voltage stops dropping and stabilizes. After 4 hours running the large battery increased its voltage in 0.01v and the SLA is steadily unchanged. It is absolutely amazing. There is nothing on the wave form that is different than before. The sound is more pronounced to a goose and the speed is about 132rpm only. The magnets are definitely doing something different that we can not see or measure except by the battery simply not discharging. I also noticed that as the battery is charging the speed of the fan accelerates and than drops in speed again.

I am using 3 different meters with charged batteries to make sure I am not craizy and when I see the voltage going up I immediately change the battery again just to make sure.

The magnets are two neos of about 1/2" in diameter and 1" length. The square magnet is one of those you buy at RadioShack, 1 3/4" by 7/8" by 3/8".

Now more than never I am eager to open a new 48v fan start to replicate my gadgetmall's replication. I could not done before because I am very bussy this days.

Fausto.

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #148 on: February 24, 2009, 03:56:25 PM »
@gadgetmall

I have a question about the blinking diode. There are two different at radio shack.

One has three legs. the other has two. Which one you recommend?
I am trying to do the idea you told me on the PM.

I have a question also on the connection of the LED to the primary . Is it the primary battery or is it the primary coil? I do not understand that connection after the cap is charged to the voltage you specified.

Please advise.

Jesus

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #149 on: February 24, 2009, 09:57:17 PM »
The one with 3 leg is a IR Receiver so  if both came in the same package , the one with two leg is a IR Transmitter, not a led light.

 

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