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Author Topic: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!  (Read 174342 times)

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Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« on: January 09, 2009, 05:54:12 PM »
@ All

I am starting this thread with Gadgetmall's permission in order to expose his feedback to source Bedini circuit to everyone that may have missed it in the other threads.

I find his approach quite amazing and unique in that he is using a separate coil to gather and feedback energy to the source!   

Here are his videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LczzeeyfFoA  also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRnYQvYEwkM

There is some information that is lacking and replicating his setup will take some information gathering but here is his latest circuit and component values.

@ Stefan - Would it be possible to give Gadgetmall or my account permission to post the latest information gathered at the beginning of this thread so that people will not have to go through all the posts to find the relevant information?

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2009, 07:59:11 AM »
@ Gadgetmall

No Rush on this request, whenever you get a chance  :)

I'm trying to put together a Materials and build list to try to replicate your setup.  What I'm looking for are questions regarding the following components:

Welding Rods - Type ?
Length of Welding Rods ?
PVC pipe for primary coil- ID/OD (I think you mentioned 1/4" ID in your video) ?
Length of PVC pipe ?
Primary Coil Wires - 2 wires as per circuit, CW or CCW?
Primary Coil End caps - What type of plastic and size?
High Voltage Diode going to Primary from capacitor - Type & Values?
Primary Coil Winding - There's a discrepancy on your video regarding the gauge size of the wires used, is the size in the above schematic the latest and correct for the wire size?
Secondary Coil Winding (Piggy back coil) - ID/OD X Height?


That's it for now, I'll probably ask you more questions later  :P

Regards,
Paul











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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2009, 01:00:08 AM »
@ Gadgetmall

Again, no Rush on this next set of questions, I know it's a lot to ask but whenever you get a chance. 

Amendment 1:

1.  Welding Rods - Type ?
2.  Length of Welding Rods ?
3.  PVC pipe for primary coil- ID/OD (I think you mentioned 1/4" ID in your video) ?
4.  Length of PVC pipe ?
5.  Primary Coil Wires - 2 wires as per circuit, CW or CCW?
6.  Primary Coil End caps - What type of plastic and size?
7.  High Voltage Diode going to Primary from capacitor - Type & Values?
8.  Primary Coil Winding - There's a discrepancy on your video regarding the gauge size of the wires used, is the size in the above schematic the latest and correct wire size?
9.  Secondary Coil Winding (Piggy back coil) - ID/OD X Height?
10.  Weight of Primary coil?
11.  Weight of Secondary coil (Piggy back coil)?
12.  Base of Primary coil, materials used?
13.  Size and Strength of Neo magnets used on HDD motor and Platter plates? 
14.  Neo magnets facing N or S at the coil core?

Thanks again for making your videos available for all to see, you certainly got my attention  ;)

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Paul

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2009, 05:52:04 AM »
@GOAT
Paul, here is the latest Cleaned up Schemitic and i will try to find the time to fill in the blanks .I am a Single daddy with a 7 year old girl and we have a Birthday party this weekend and lots of preperations to make .   Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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@ Gadgetmall

Again, no Rush on this next set of questions, I know it's a lot to ask but whenever you get a chance. 

Amendment 1:

1.  Welding Rods - Type ? i will try and find out by a welder . they were junk yard picks-rusty
2.  Length of Welding Rods ?will measure
3.  PVC pipe for primary coil- ID/OD (I think you mentioned 1/4" ID in your video) ? 1/4 sch 20
4.  Length of PVC pipe ? will measure later
5.  Primary Coil Wires - 2 wires as per circuit, CW or CCW? CCW
6.  Primary Coil End caps - What type of plastic and size?TEFLON cut in  2 inch DIA circles
7.  High Voltage Diode going to Primary from capacitor - Type & Values?RCA SK3606
8.  Primary Coil Winding - There's a discrepancy on your video regarding the gauge size of the wires used, is the size in the above schematic the latest and correct wire size? correct in new schemitic .Verified 16 and 20
9.  Secondary Coil Winding (Piggy back coil) - ID/OD X Height?will measure later
10.  Weight of Primary coil?..minus the core  5 1/2 pounds
11.  Weight of Secondary coil (Piggy back coil)?a tiny bit over 1 pound .i have a postal scale no grams
12.  Base of Primary coil, materials used? Bakalite i think . it was the mercury relay base .looks like it has some fiber in it ? kind of heavy but looks like plastic too ?? I dont know but its from the 60's 
13.  Size and Strength of Neo magnets used on HDD motor and Platter plates?  ebay Cylinder 1x1/4 n48
14.  Neo magnets facing N or S at the coil core? N
15. i would like to add that the piggyback coil might be wound cw or ccw . there is some black stuff sealing it and the outside layer is like black cloth or fabric . i peaked at it and got the wire size but no real indication of how it is wound so ???? Varable. I think the aire core hole has somthing to do with the properties . also i dont know if its copper or aluminum or what because it terminates in a sheathing with connectors crimped on it . Couild be iron copper aluminium gold silver . i dont know but i know its worth a lot to me .No its not for sale unless you got a million dollars ;D
Best regards guys . i will return
Al AKA fusionchip AKA 4Chirstonly1 AKA GADGETMALL  :-X

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2009, 06:01:06 AM »
@ Gadgetmall

Thanks for the PM, lot's of good information, I appreciate your help and your time very much! 
Please point out mistakes if any.

Amendment 2:

1.  Welding Rods - Type ? 

(Undetermined - local surplus scrap yard -  number of rods and there exact length TBD)

2.  Length of Welding Rods ?

(Length TBD with 2" sticking out past length of 1/4 inch schedule20 pipe)

3.  PVC pipe for primary coil- ID/OD?

(1/4 inch schedule20 pipe)

4.  Length of PVC pipe ?

(2" less than the length of welding rods)

5.  Primary Coil Wires - 2 wires as per circuit, CW or CCW?

(Wound counterclockwise starting from the back of the coil)

6.  Primary Coil End caps - What type of plastic and size?

(Teflon cutting board cut to 2 inch circles)

7.  High Voltage Diode going to Primary from capacitor - Type & Values?

(RCA SK3606)

8.  Primary Coil Winding - correct wire size?

(500 feet is correct the size is correct in schematic 16/20 )

9.  Secondary Coil Winding (Piggy back coil) - ID/OD X Height?

(5000 ft number 32 clockwise) 

10.  Weight of Primary coil?

11.  Weight of Secondary coil (Piggy back coil)?

12.  Base of Primary coil, materials used?

(Bakelite)

13. Shield? 

(Shield made of steel and ferrite)

14.  Size and Strength of Neo magnets used on HDD motor and Platter plates?

(Ebay Cylinder 1x1/4 n48)

15.  Neo magnets facing N or S at the coil core?

(North)

Regards,
Paul

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2009, 07:17:58 PM »
H@all . ok im still trying to improve this circuit to obtain real use of my machine with inverters . I have experimented with a reed switch in series with the primary power coil which slowed down the rotor and produced more power . It was an experiment and i will probably hard wire it in later . Also i have been testing a second Trigger coil as pictured and i think i like this the best . it spins much faster and i will be running this setup to determine if it sucking power to fast and i lose the ove unity i have with one trigger . i will run this setup for a bout a week and let yall know if this is an improvement or not .. the extra trigger is in series with the primary trigger . also in the second photo i have added a second transistor in parallel with the first one hoping to improve the draw of voltage on my primary to attempt another try at running off the caps alone . The first attempt left me with a pile of bad 2n3055's as the voltage coming off the piggy back coil is too high for the 2n3055 and Blows them instantly . Maybe two in parallel will increase the capacity to 200 volts and not kill the circuit . i will let you know after a week of running the 2nd trigger . One note comes to mind . I don't think the setup is critical other than the fact that the coil configuration of any bedini could be changed with the core protruding out the back of the coil . the reason i am telling you this is if you have a bedini already make a new coil like mine and use an experimental piggyback on it and see if you get the results i do . the more windings on the primary the less current it will draw . Mine can run on as low as 6 ma's . and as high as 500 ma's . I built a bedini for my brother not like my design except we left the core open and i put my piggyback coil on his machine . It (primary)remained the same running voltage for 6 hours thus proving that the design is not to critical . i think with a little rewinding of the coil i made for him it would self run too . the only think is he tried to wind a coil like mine but wound it on a longer pvc sticking out the back and it did not produce the voltage or current My Magic coil does . BUT he did not use tiny wire . i think it might have been 26 and i think he wound it counterclockwise the same as the primary . he gave up cause it took days to unwind the wire from a BIG toroid for his piggyback and left it like that . I guess when we get the time to undo it and rewind it the other way with the same wire we would get better results .. Ok go for it !!!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2009, 07:44:42 PM »
@GOAT
        i stopped the test to take a picture of My piggy coil . here it is . i will try and find ruler and post it later in the week the dimensions ..

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2009, 07:57:20 PM »
@ gadgetmall

Thanks for posting the picture of the piggyback coil. 

I have a brother in law that works in industrial electric circuits, I will forward him all the information you gather and I'll try to find out if he's ever come across an old Mercury solenoid with a coil like this in his line of work.  He possibly might know of other units that use a similar coil.

Edit:  Was the solenoid switch that you had look something like this (see picture below) and did it have any markings on it that you would still have access to?

http://www.mercuryrelays.com/shoppingcart/agora.cgi?&product=35amp

Again sorry for all the questions and please do not pressure yourself to find the answers.

Thanks again,
Paul

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2009, 08:01:54 PM »
This Coil is the key along with My Geometry of the Master core Material Sticking out the back . I think rather than replicate the whole thing Build a Bedini with a large gauge twisted pair  CCW as a Normal Bedini is . and leave the core open air core then experiment with different rods, or i thought of using bailing wire cut up in bunches might have even better results than i have now . My core is not glued or coated and can be removed easily and i will try the bailing /electric fence wire and see if the results i have improve more . My goal now that i have it recharging with over unity is to create More power for bigger battery's and run stuff from an inverter off the switched primary to secondary . I don't think this will run off capacitors as they just don't have the properties of a real battery and this is going to need a real battery for overunity effect i get . I don't know why a battery works and a cap don't but the battery is another key to self runner producing usable power ..  I would concentrate on the piggyback coil replication first then if you already have an existing Bedini coil replace the core with materials i have suggested protruding from the back and i bet you will see Good if not overunity results . Also the piggyback coil produces over 70 volts on the ac scale without any bridge or cap ,Just open . Then one my Brother made did not produce more than 11 volts ac ????

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2009, 08:20:24 PM »
The Gold Disks i use are from one of the first hards drives made by Segate and i understand  the platters are made with platinum, gold and palladium along with Aluminum . But this don't matter !! Because it self charges in oscillation mode even stronger sooo i would not worry about the material of the rotor . its the coils !!! and the way they run with minimum current draw . that is another key . get your bedini running at 10ma or less either turning the rotor or solid state ! That is all i can do for now . i'll come back later in the week with some test results and coil measurements . Kirk out !

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2009, 08:25:08 PM »
@ gadgetmall

Thanks again for the information you just provided, the 70 VAC from the piggy back coil is indeed interesting.  I myself have tried many different configurations of the Bedini but none were ever close to what your getting.  Your replication is quite different as I was following most of the original advice of "no departing from the original circuit and components in order to understand the concept" but that never seemed to work for me.

Your circuit however uses much different components as we see that you use heavier wire for the primary than the original circuit(s) and also the use of the neo magnets instead of ceramics, also the use of the bridge rectifiers, caps with neon's, heavy duty diode back feeding etc.

You're quite right in saying that it could probably be replicated using different components like wire instead of welding rods and other things, I'm just trying to post as much information about the original components for posterity.

I think you came up with something that works for you that didn't work for most of us using traditional methods so that's why I'm trying to document as much as possible your circuit and components so that others may eventually come up with a working model such as yours.  Sort of like the ongoing effort in the Joule Thief thread.

Please don't feel pressured to answer all the questions as you made it quite clear that you are a single parent and raising your child should take priority and I certainly wouldn't want you to mess with your original circuit like taking apart the piggy back coil.

Regards,
Paul



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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2009, 08:36:43 PM »
Hi Goat . Nope this thing was on a platform made of ceramic material or something 3 inches wide and 6 inches long base  . I have the mercury switch somewhere . it Is the same size of the coil core made of aluminum and 4 inches long filled with mercury and heavy and something that slides up and down inside it . it was mounted vertical so gravity held it in the open position and when the coil energizes the thing inside goes up and contacts . it was high amperage stuff in a large control cabinet i still have outside housing my inverters and control electronics for solar ,Bedinipowersupply , inverters and small battery's for charging My 1100 pound 24volt forklift battery ..

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2009, 08:58:45 PM »
Paul i am flatter that you are trying to replicate the total design of mine but as i stated it runs without the rotor too . And i don't feel pressure and want everyone who wants to use the knowledge i have to make there own self runner . I just can't believe that with all the other self running devices that are made i am the only one to share this information . I can't make money on this because the main design is Johns so i can't claim the Big  overunity dollars even thought i would like too . I am in it for the Power i get for Free not the money . And i will help YOU anyway to prove that what i have here is indeed free power and i'm not another Nut case . I don't lie . i am a Baptist Christian a good father as i have full custody of my Daughter and Love all God Fearing people with a positive outlook . As i said i have been looking for free energy for over 15 years . During that 15 years i became Close to Barbara Hickcox the inventor of a perpetual spiral magnet "cold fusion " generator and was about to have it in my possession before she disappeared off the face of the earth . I have all of the correspondence and plans and a video of the working unit but i promised not to show it because my life would be in danger .You can look up her invention in a patent search . I even Had a web site set up many Years ago describing the device and overunity.com had been in contact with me way back then .I pulled the web pages down as per request  as She did not want the attention and for good reasons  i see now .My Gadgetmall tag of newbie is misleading  :)  !. God Bless ya !
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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2009, 09:07:58 PM »
@ gadgetmall

Whoa  :o  You meant REAL Mercury  :o :o  I hope the mercury container was missing when you got the cabinet! 

I was looking at the brand name Mercury but never caught on that it was that type of switch...lol

I just found an old roll of 34 gauge wire I had lying around, I'll wind a spool up and give that a try to see what kind of voltage it gets on the back end of my existing bifilar coil. 

Thanks,
Paul

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Re: Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2009, 10:02:54 PM »
Whoa  Shocked  You meant REAL Mercury  Shocked Shocked  I hope the mercury container was missing when you got the cabinet!

What do you mean , It still has the mercury in it . from the feel of it about 2 OZ'S of the presious metal . Its sealed up in aluminum and hey i found it here it is !! Now that i look at it and know that mercury eats aluminum i don't thing its aluminum . it must be steel or some other metal . Still works too .

 

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