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Author Topic: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.  (Read 39126 times)

Mannix

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #60 on: February 07, 2009, 08:46:54 AM »
Again we come to one of the key reasons why real TPU research on this forum is dead. Tubes? Really? it's like you guys are looking for a magical brew to make a tpu. As if getting all the right components is the important part! You can use tubes, you can use mosfets, you can use two sticks covered in tinfoil rubbing together as long as they serve the same function. No physical phenomenon is restricted to certain components. This discussion makes about as much sense as arguing what the wires are made of.

Sure response time might be important, but since we don't know how the damn things work we have no idea on what is important. If we had the great Steven Mark (s) shopping list we would probably still be stuck right in the same place with very few leads on how to build the thing. Focus on creating the effects, not necessarily power generation, but some sort of resonant coil that has gyroscopic action. Then work from there. To stumble in the dark making wild assumptions about vacuum tubes or any other comment from a man trying to HIDE the inner workings of his own device is stupid. To make devices randomly with the hope of one someday succeeding by chance is equally as stupid.


Certain physical phenomenan IS restricted to tubes..more reading less writing

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #61 on: February 07, 2009, 01:03:42 PM »
Cannot imagine that Steven used tubes in his small devices....He used also solid state electronics so the effect is not addicted to tubes.

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #62 on: February 07, 2009, 02:33:31 PM »
just download  film: "Energy From The Vacuum Part 7:  - Tesla's Impulse Technology - dialogues with john bedini".

-B.Russell said:
"...to regulate the pattern of human life need to inject a certaine dose of anarchizm..."

1.if you want to compress something:
you must apply opposite forces. If the coil grounded and pulsed from one side, what issues the oposit force ?

with a fun,
nick

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #63 on: February 07, 2009, 02:54:35 PM »
related to control coils:
...you have a parallel path: one direct other's with short delay. apply single pulse as input, at the output you will get
pulse superposition ( direct + delayed)...there is your single voltage kick what injected into collector ring with its own
repeated pulse superposition!

guys ,  what this all about?
what kind of energy you wanna extract and from where?
nk

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #64 on: February 07, 2009, 03:04:37 PM »
try summing: sine with delayes sine and inject it into collector.... what you will get?
...a new generation seems fuck all!

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #65 on: February 07, 2009, 03:13:52 PM »
Certain physical phenomenan IS restricted to tubes..more reading less writing

Ok, I'll bite. What do tubes do that cannot be done with other components, and how is this directly responsible for TPUs working? If you cannot provide any support for this claim then it is yet again misdirection. Wow, misdirection on this forum? never!

Maybe vacuum tubes are better for TPU building than solid state, maybe not. Either way though the parts are interchangeable. If the device is a pair of RF generators, a couple toroidal coils, and some beefy diodes and capacitors for output smoothing then where is the magical vacuum tube requiring part?

My whole point is that you are arguing about the importance of vacuum tubes without anyone understanding the fundamental reasons for the device to operate. More thinking less writing.

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #66 on: February 07, 2009, 03:29:48 PM »
Devices
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Vacuum Tubes
Up until about 30 years ago, the vacuum tube was the only device capable of delivering power reliably and cost effectively. Tubes operate from power supplies delivering hundreds of volts and require output transformers to deliver substantial power levels.

Bipolar Transistors
The bipolar transistor has replaced the vacuum tube as the workhorse of the power-amp industry, with single devices capable of tens of amps and hundreds of volts. The transistor's low output impedance is a much better match to speaker loads. The biggest change in bipolar transistor technology in recent history is the availability of power transistors in plastic packages. These are essentially the same parts as before, mounted to a metal substrate, but now surrounded by plastic instead of the traditional metal jacket. These lend themselves better to automation and will eventually replace metal in all but a few applications.

Mosfet Transistors
The mosfet (Metal Oxide Semiconductor Field Effect Transistor) has been around almost as long as the bipolar transistor but has only recently become a significant factor in power amps. There are two basic types: vertical and lateral. Vertical mosfets are optimized for switching and popular in Class D designs. Lateral mosfets are optimized for linear operation and utilized in the output stages of conventional Class A/B designs. They are not drop-in replacements for bipolar. They require different approaches for driving and protection. They do not yield a "tube sound," as some claim. When used "open loop" or with low negative feedback, they exhibit "mosfet sound." Properly designed and used within design parameters, an amplifier will not have a characteristic sound. The positive sound qualities attributed to vacuum-tube amplifiers are actually artifacts of non-ideal performance and musical sounding overload characteristics beyond electrical clipping.

New Devices
The only notable new device in recent history is the IGBT (Isolated Gate Bipolar Transistor). This is a cross between mosfet and bipolar, aiming for the best of both (high power gain of mosfet with low saturation voltage of bipolar). These devices are essentially designed as on/off switches, but at least one esoteric hi-fi design uses these linearly. Currently, the big market for these is in switching power supplies, and they may eventually find their way into Class D amps.

CS 800X
These are the basic components and techniques. Probably 99.9% of all the amps you will ever encounter use some combination or variation of these parts and topologies, with a good 90% using bipolar transistors in a Class A/B topology. The CS® and PV® series are classic examples of this, using Class A/B topology and bipolar power transistors. The reason for this is excellent performance, reliability, and cost effectiveness.

DPC 1000
It's much more interesting to talk about the other 9.9%, so here goes. Probably the most technically advanced amplifier technology available today is Peavey's Digital Power Conversion (DPC) series. While the original DECAs used a modified Class D topology, the DPC uses a patented, improved form of Class D called "Phase Modulation Control."

Instead of creating the audio signal by simple Pulse Width Modulation or duty cycle variation of a square wave, Phase Modulation uses two switches operating at the same frequency. By controlling the phase angle or time difference between the two waveforms and processing them differentially, the output varies from full off (0 phase shift) to full on (180°). This approach does not suffer from the difficult turn-on speed and symmetry problems that limit the performance of conventional PWMs. Vertical mosfets are the output device of choice due to their ability to turn on and off very quickly. This series of amps delivers on the promise made by Class D, with Peavey's single-rack-space DPC 1000 putting out 1500 watts of peak music power without becoming a space heater. Due to the complexity there is a small price premium. But just ask any bass player which he'd rather carry around in his rack, a DPC at 12 lbs. or a conventional 1000W Class A/B amplifier... Enough said!

VX 1.5
Next in the high-technology hit parade is Peavey's VX series. These amplifiers use a novel variation on Class G/H topology. The VXs use multiple power supplies for improved efficiency over conventional Class A/B, but with a twist. Our design engineers came up with a way to switch between the rails without the significant distortion (switching) spikes typical of these designs (patent pending). Now you can get 1500W RMS in two rack spaces without having to grit your teeth every time the drummer hits his cymbals; true hi-fi performance with typical full-power distortion figures of less than 0.008% THD+N, and full power at 20 kHz still below 0.04% THD+N. These numbers beat most manufacturers' conventional Class A/B designs!

Classic 120/120
For generations, musicians have been in love with the sound of vacuum-tube power amps. Most tube power amps are basically Class A/B designs with output step-down transformers. These are undeniably "low-tech"; however, tube amplifiers like Peavey's Classic® series are still very popular. It's difficult to say exactly what it is about tube designs that people love so much. The low damping factor, caused by the output transformer and the relatively high output impedance of vacuum tubes, produces "pleasant interactions" with speaker resonances. More likely, the vacuum tube's unique characteristic overload (what, musicians overdriving an amp?) is what pleases the ear. Although low-tech, tube amplifiers are not cheap. Good-quality tubes get harder and harder to buy and quality audio frequency output transformers are very expensive.

Our next major family of amplifiers is Peavey's Architectural Acoustics series. These are designed for fixed installations, such as churches and auditoriums. These amps use conventional Class A/B topology with output step-up transformers to deliver 70/100V to large "distributed" sound systems. By stepping up the voltage, resistive wiring losses become less significant. In fact, this is the same reason utility companies prefer to send 20,000 volts across the countryside than good ole 110V. In some cases bridged configurations are used to directly generate 70V swings, or in the case of emergency battery-powered units, to get the signal swing up and resistive losses down. These use conventional approaches that are optimized for their applications, where reliability and cost are more important than portability or size.

PMA 70
Getting back to the unconventional, Peavey's AMR PMA 70+ uses a unique variation of Class G/H to deliver momentary levels of 100W from a 35W continuous-output amplifier. Unlike the typical Class G/H, the PMA70+ doesn't use multiple fixed-rail voltages. Instead, a specialized voltage doubler circuit generates higher rails on demand. The amount of peak power available is limited by the doubler's storage capacity and how fast you recharge the doubler's capacitors. To better match the power demands of typical musical waveforms, the boost capacitor is only recharged at a rate that supports 60 watts RMS, and this is thermally limited to no more than about 15 seconds of continuous boost. If you've ever looked at music on an oscilloscope or even on a peak-reading meter, you will notice that music only hits its highest peaks for small fractions of a second with average power levels 6-10dB below that. The PMA70+ delivers momentary output equal to a 100W amp but with a size and cost closer to a 35W amp. This amp is popular for driving headphone systems in recording studios and for small near-field monitor speakers.

RP 500
Another studio/hi-fi offering is Peavey's AMR RP 500 Reference Power Amplifier. Using proven Class A/B technology but with lateral mosfet power devices instead of bipolar transistors, this amp is designed for critical studio monitoring applications. The RPA delivers tons of output drive current to deal with even the most exotic (read poorly designed) monitor speaker. State-of-the-art slew rate, distortion, and dynamic range insure effortless reproduction of master-quality music. This approach is slightly more expensive due to the high cost of the lateral mosfets and associated circuitry.

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #67 on: February 07, 2009, 04:34:44 PM »
     If you have a standing wave like you can make with a tesla transformer and you take the secondary and form it into a torroidal transformer.  Now your nodes and antinodes would appear at different spots along the diameter of the torroid.
If you off tune the standing wave appears to travel.  In this case it would appear to travel in a rotary fashion.  The current flowing in different portions of the traveling standing wave setting up magnetic poles that appear to be traveling.   

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #68 on: February 07, 2009, 05:08:57 PM »
Listen to Sparks my young padawan..

Yoda  ;D

Not only they can rotate but also they could be speed up by this effect : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect

nkovchak

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #69 on: February 07, 2009, 05:30:45 PM »
sparks!
you are right!
nk

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« Reply #70 on: February 07, 2009, 05:51:18 PM »
hi forest,
..there is other trick:
capacitor effect on moebius ring, check surface (exterior/interior) charging  potential.....
nk

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #71 on: February 07, 2009, 06:07:36 PM »
the dark side of  this tpu still:
....  the mutual magnetic coupling between collector and control coils....any ideas?

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #72 on: February 07, 2009, 06:35:42 PM »
the dark side of  this tpu still:
....  the mutual magnetic coupling between collector and control coils....any ideas?


hmm,where ? I don't see any... I have only a problem with visualisation of collector and gain as mentioned by SM because I've never worked with radio equipment.So the problem is where is the power. I could imagine kicks but where is actual power ? I know that it's something related to Sm comments about the source being the feed and running with gain but pardon me I must to rethink it because my knowledge here is limited.
Finally also why not imagine safe TPU producing cold electricity ? That's I bet our  aim for the future.

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #73 on: February 07, 2009, 09:42:39 PM »
the dark side of  this tpu still:
....  the mutual magnetic coupling between collector and control coils....any ideas?

can help .... see at the end of this document ??????

www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Research/ppc.PDF

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #74 on: February 07, 2009, 10:35:13 PM »
thanks wings,
these is kind of overunity parametric transformer: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/paraform.htm
in case of tpu-ecd:
....control coils and collector have orthgonal orientation with minimul em-coupling and special geometry what let the control system inject pulses in one direction only ( into collector)....
nk