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Author Topic: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.  (Read 39125 times)

forest

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2009, 05:06:29 PM »
Stationary electrons wave  in Earth magnetic field must rotate.Cyclone effect I call it.Everywhere in the Earth there is energy, that's sure.Blind we are.Just use the Force...

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2009, 05:17:26 PM »
forest,
...tel me more about this point?..... if  we need the rotation, we can use existing "running waves" inside the collector with antigravitation effect on  centrifuge.....
nk.....

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2009, 06:15:49 PM »
I checked russian site!
patent RU2141718,  it seems guy wanna said closed things, but in different way..
http://ntpo.com/patents_electricity/electricity_6/electricity_15.shtml

Изобретение - способ промышленного производства электрической энергии без затраты сырья - является одной из реализаций "Моноимпульсного эффекта", согласно которому в любом импульсе электрического тока (напряжения) содержится безграничный запас электроэнергии, - "Энергия электрического импульса - неисчерпаема". Способ промышленного производства электрической энергии без затраты сырья заключается в том, что по коэффициентам разложения периодических функций в Обратный ряд Фурье задают необходимый состав гармоник амплитудного спектра для синтеза периодического сигнала, синтезируют, определяют параметры периодического сигнала, фиксируют наличие зон избыточного потенциала в синтезируемом периодическом сигнале, после этого выбирают по усредненному значению периодического сигнала постоянное напряжение внешнего источника питания. Постоянное напряжение преобразуют в периодический импульсный сигнал с выбранным усредненным значением напряжения, с заданным составом гармоник амплитудного спектра, с фиксированными зонами избыточного потенциала, и лишь тогда напряжения заданного состава гармоник амплитудного спектра с фиксированными зонами избыточного потенциала фильтруют, каждую гармонику выпрямляют, выпрямленное напряжение каждой гармоники суммируют и полученное таким путем постоянное напряжение используют в качестве источника электроэнергии для различных потребителей, отключают внешний источник питания, затем переводят работу в автономный режим. В частном случае в качестве периодического сигнала используют импульсный сигнал со скважностью два различных форм импульсов, или видеоимпульсы различных форм с повышенной скважностью и равномерным составом гармоник амплитудного спектра, или радиоимпульсы различных форм импульсов с повышенной скважностью и равномерным составом гармоник в непосредственной близости от несущей частоты. В частном случае постоянное напряжение внешнего источника питания преобразуют в два синусоидальных сигнала с разными кратными частотами, на аналоговом делителе формируют импульсный сигнал с максимальным коэффициентом, равным двум для всех гармоник амплитудного спектра полученного импульсного сигнала. Техническим результатом является снижение расхода сырья.


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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2009, 06:49:03 PM »
For any good idea resistance always is.To use the Force clear the path you must, resistance is dark side of it.Once the flow sustained, the Force will drive it around.

Yoda


Imagine a train running to the right and a man inside who is throwing a ball up . You are standing outside the train observing it. The ball inside train is not moving with train if flying in air against gravity, but once it fall back to the train floor it catches the same speed as train.From the observer inside train , the ball is flowing at opposite wall.
Now why we didn't observed it during a trip by train ? Because the speed of train is slow and the resistance of air is enough also to stop the effect and the effect probably exists only in slight moment when force whcih throw it balance with gravity.We see the effect when train is abruptly stopping.
We see the effect inside vacuum tubes when starting power , there is an inrush of current caused by Earth magnetic field. The gravitation or molecular forces which causes resistance and stick all matter to Earth removes the effect.But if you balance gravitation,magnetic field and resistance then so called electrons are like this  ball in a train.Earth is a train.

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #49 on: February 06, 2009, 07:42:09 AM »
Hello all TPU builders,

Im posting this for people that are building TPUs, not for the PC heroes. And Im sorry for this what I have to say!!

Maybe you know or not, Im working the last 4 or so days with tubes. I mean I have 1 or more tubes connected to my TPU.

Now after 2?? years working with MOSFETs I can say that developing a TPU with the use of MOSFETs has NO SENCE.

Im sorry but fact is that NOBODY has even a little chance to build a TPU with the use of MOSFETs.

In the past I made over 200 various TPUs, some very good working and others not so good working but I was always pulsating the coils with MOSFETs. With good working I mean a good or not so good light.

No, I didnt waste my time the last years. I learned how to pulse coils, how they interact, how to connect them, how to get a really big output voltage, current......but I never saw something special to say it in this way.

This was my main reason I wanted to see what tubes are good for. And they are FANTASTIC. Much better then MOSFETs.

What to say? I can only say that you should invest a little money, buy a transformer for tubes, some tubes and sockets and thats it!!

Again, YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO BUILD A TPU WITHOUT TUBES!!!!

Dont think you are cleverer then SM. He started with tubes and that has a very good reason: special effects that you cant see with MOSFETs.

Its on you, my TPU builders, to waste your time with MOSFETs or to invest a little money for tubes and have soooooo much fun with them.
Im fascinated!!!

Now dont start again a bla, bla discussion about tubes. We had such a crap a time ago.Crap because one is a discussion about the properties of tubes and something totally different is to work with tubes, to connect them to coils.

Again and again: DONT USE MOSFETs!!!

I hope I was clear. If not then read my post again and again until you understand it.

Otto

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #50 on: February 06, 2009, 10:22:13 AM »
otto,
can you help us to clear  undestood the physic's inside the device?....
we unable to build a device, what generate "something" from the space without mind!.
nk

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #51 on: February 06, 2009, 10:30:44 AM »
Hello all TPU builders,


Again, YOU HAVE NO CHANCE TO BUILD A TPU WITHOUT TUBES!!!!
properties of tubes and something totally different is to work with tubes, to connect them to coils.

Again and again: DONT USE MOSFETs!!!

I hope I was clear. If not then read my post again and again until you understand it.

Otto


Hi otto,

can you please tell us witch tubes you are using? The one SM mentioned (5U4-GB and so on) has a vacuum (in german Hochvakuum), so i think we have to look/care for it!

Thanks
Norbert

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #52 on: February 06, 2009, 10:58:23 AM »
Hello all,

@Norbert

Im using a 12AU7 double triode or in Europe it is a ECC 82 tube. The 5U4 is a rectifier tube. As a rectifier Im using 4 diodes 1N4007, I hope,ha,ha. I would love to have a rectifier tube ...hmmm.....maybe I have one???

I have a few various tubes. I have to see what types of tubes.

My tube is not the best triode but OK, I have to use it.

Again to TPU builders: DONT USE MOSFETS!!!

Otto


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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #53 on: February 06, 2009, 12:37:19 PM »
Hello all,

@Norbert

Im using a 12AU7 double triode or in Europe it is a ECC 82 tube. The 5U4 is a rectifier tube. As a rectifier Im using 4 diodes 1N4007, I hope,ha,ha. I would love to have a rectifier tube ...hmmm.....maybe I have one???

I have a few various tubes. I have to see what types of tubes.

My tube is not the best triode but OK, I have to use it.

Again to TPU builders: DONT USE MOSFETS!!!

Otto




Good one Otto!

ALL ,

They are easier, especially to begin with.

VHF tubes were mentioned like in the tuners of tv sets

Moray said that some worked better that others and did not know why

go hunt down some junk and try  ... what have you got to lose?



 


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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #54 on: February 06, 2009, 01:11:31 PM »
@Otto

Good going!

The ECC82 is a good start for most. My belief for important factors of the 5U4GB example was the heater is also the cathode. There was no separate cathode to prevent the heater signal from combining with the plate current. It is also known for lower internal resistance and higher current capacity.

The ECC82 may have speed issues because of size and lead capacitance but it is a good one to start . Who knows? Maybe it is all that is required.


Good Luck!

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #55 on: February 06, 2009, 01:52:33 PM »
Hello all,

no MOSFETs, OK?

@BEP

MOSFETs have a much bigger capacitance then tubes. Our coils have a low capacitance, I hope.

Now just a little bit why Im fascinated with my tube(s):

I have connected the + plate voltage to the plate of my tube. The minus is connected to the cathode. From the plate there is a connection to 1 of my collectors. In measuring 398V/19mA on my tube.

Nothing else is connected. No + or minus to the coils.

Result:

I see square waves on my scope. Square waves with kicks between the square waves. Every 270Hz or so I see a kick. 1 positive kick and then a negative kick.

Remember. Just a tube with a plate voltage. No heating, nothing.

I also see a lot of other s..t going on in my TPU but I dont have time to wright about this because the weekend starts and its TUBE TIME for me.

Otto

PS: if this is interesting for the people here I will continue on Monday. If not, I can be very quiet.


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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #56 on: February 06, 2009, 09:34:00 PM »

We don't seem to see any tubes in the SM's demonstration devices.
Can someone point me to any part of any demonstrated TPUs that may be concealing a tube?

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« Reply #57 on: February 06, 2009, 11:34:23 PM »
We don't seem to see any tubes in the SM's demonstration devices.
Can someone point me to any part of any demonstrated TPUs that may be concealing a tube?

I am convinced there are two and possibly a third in the open TPU. Of course, no one else agrees with that.
Even if I am completely off base, the descriptions given about misconnected or unphased transformers would produce interesting results if we clashed electron clouds together in a tube instead of a transformer circuit. All are probably just stories to make a point.

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2009, 02:06:22 AM »
We don't seem to see any tubes in the SM's demonstration devices.
Can someone point me to any part of any demonstrated TPUs that may be concealing a tube?

Thats easy ......dont use them

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #59 on: February 07, 2009, 03:49:38 AM »
Again we come to one of the key reasons why real TPU research on this forum is dead. Tubes? Really? it's like you guys are looking for a magical brew to make a tpu. As if getting all the right components is the important part! You can use tubes, you can use mosfets, you can use two sticks covered in tinfoil rubbing together as long as they serve the same function. No physical phenomenon is restricted to certain components. This discussion makes about as much sense as arguing what the wires are made of.

Sure response time might be important, but since we don't know how the damn things work we have no idea on what is important. If we had the great Steven Mark (s) shopping list we would probably still be stuck right in the same place with very few leads on how to build the thing. Focus on creating the effects, not necessarily power generation, but some sort of resonant coil that has gyroscopic action. Then work from there. To stumble in the dark making wild assumptions about vacuum tubes or any other comment from a man trying to HIDE the inner workings of his own device is stupid. To make devices randomly with the hope of one someday succeeding by chance is equally as stupid.