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Author Topic: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.  (Read 39119 times)

giantkiller

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2009, 03:59:00 AM »
@ben,
Well lets go to the other side of the pump. The next time you find yourself filling your gas tank look at around at the others doing the same act of slavery. You're one of them too! Sucks, doesn't it? You and every other piss ant joe doing the same thing. Forever! Because you don't believe change is possible. I apologize if my creativity oversteps your boundaries. But you are screwed and I am not. The world you live in was created by the like of us, people who think on their own.

The real contributors here are from a different ant hill. I've been here 2 years, faithful. I have helped and have been helped, immensely. Who are you and where have you come from that you can make such blatant judgements? Time for you to commit or bail. Don't screw this up.

Let people grow!

Read some more intellect before making a judgement call on your fellow man.

--giantkiller. Now I'm pissed!

hoptoad

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2009, 04:26:02 AM »
To believe in something you cannot prove and fight anyone who opposes your belief is not science, it is religion. Sadly this forum has a lot more religion than science, and I for one would like to see that change.
-ben

I'll second that ! ........ KneeDeep

Quote : Stevie Wonder : "When you believe in things you don't understand - Superstition"

Cheers

P.S. Nothing wrong with trying with new ideas - it should always be encouraged !!. But "claims" are a different matter, which need scientific verification, if they are to be accepted as true.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2009, 05:00:04 AM by hoptoad »

giantkiller

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2009, 07:27:38 AM »
Here is a test:

Who is this and where did this device come from?

--giantkiller.

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2009, 07:32:52 AM »
@ben
Follow me.
I skip everything except technical or science post. Only waste me about 3 minutes here in a day.

pese

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2009, 03:58:13 AM »
@Ben

here is an better way , so you study, how to read AC(non sinusodial) / DC
from Prof Padrak

http://padrak.com/ine/DANGERSPOWER.html

i think, that is unknow to most members

Gustav Pese

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2009, 07:46:11 AM »
@Ben

here is an better way , so you study, how to read AC(non sinusodial) / DC
from Prof Padrak

http://padrak.com/ine/DANGERSPOWER.html

i think, that is unknow to most members

Gustav Pese
Thanks for that link Pese.
I know it, you know it, but a lot of beginners here have no background in electronics and are easily mislead by their own meters and the claims and assertions of others.

The measurement information presented on that web page is basic to an electrician, (and any e/engineer), yet understanding it, seems to elude so many on this forum.

True power measurements are crucial if anyone is to know whether an O/U experiment is successful or unsuccessful, or whether a device is performing O/U as it's  inventor may claim.

It would be good if a link to that sort of information was automatically included with the header of any thread dealing with electrical devices.
That way, opinions can be more informed, experiments more accurately recorded, data more credible, and debate about the results more meaningful.

Cheers .... KneeDeep

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2009, 10:57:30 AM »
 Thank you for the link Pese
  I noticed there was not mention of measuring DC devices. Is there a more complete text on Puttoff's one watt challange some where i can read up on? never been a big fan of ac to begin with except with regard to end user equipment like motors or long distance conveyance of power. Hard as hell to put ac in your pocket and take it with you.

  I really like the file THE MISSING DOPPLER EFFECT .I will most likely read all of the papers located there. Again thanks for the link.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2009, 11:30:33 AM by Doug1 »

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2009, 04:47:05 PM »
Hi guys!
You are have a good argument on the free energy!
I believe in energy CONVERSION ONLY and different type of energy.
there is a possibility to add some extra power into converter device output to reach its over-unity gain.
where the will, there is a way!!!!!
thanks,
Nick

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2009, 10:37:19 AM »
@nkovchak   YES  YOU ARE HAVE   THE SAME THINGING  LIKE MY   I SAY LONG TIME AGO  THAT   IS NOT POSIBLE TO GET MORE THEN ONE  ENRGY <<but if this one enrgy converse  to athere type   of kind enrgy  YES   we whill have  more energy  >>
 THIS IS SIMPLE   
I SEEE  HERE TPUs  FROM MANY PEOPLE HERE  OR DEVICES  HOW IS ALLWAY THE SAME     VEACOUSE    THIS DEVICES  IS NOT CONVERSION DEVICES 
I SEE  SIMPLE  PULSE COILS  AND COLECTORS COILS  IN MANY DIFERENT WAYS   BUT  I DONT SEE  <<CONVERSION  ENERGY IN THAT DEVICES>
 
IF  THIS  ENERGY<ELKTROMAGNETS FILD  OR,, ELKTROFORCE    WHILL TRANSFOM TO ATHER TYPE OUT ENERGY   LIKE  ???  THEN WHILL BE  OU..

I SAY TO YOU   MAST LOOK BACK  IN OLD  TIMES  WHERE  OLDs EXPERIMENTATORS  <<TESLA   PUPIN, AND ATHERE  HAS   MADE THAT  >>FIND  LEARN  AND YOU WHILL SEE WHAT WHILL BE  THE ATHERE TYPE OF ENERGY  TO CONVERTING>

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2009, 10:57:15 AM »
Macedonia,
thanks for the response!!!
....from my point of view  we should put more attention on the magnetic field :( space/time shift and aperture of absorption)....
Hitler said: ".. where is a will , there is a way..."
cheers!
Nick
PS-  reichspatentamt patent# 680761.. 7th of september ,1939

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2009, 11:07:54 AM »
adding more..we need rechargeable batteries  and switching  techniques plus some ideas of control....

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2009, 04:59:26 PM »
I think that the answer to the question we keep seeing around here, as to what would happen if a solid, working design for F-E suddenly appeared on the Open Source forums is... That it would be a great day for the planet!

Yes there are constant nay-sayers who hang around here: Some are secret believers (..or else why would they hang around, lol?), and some are Paid Shills. There is no question that there is a whole new "profession" on the Internet of "Shill". They are essentially paid "Trolls"...  They work for contractors who then sell their services to unnamed concerns. I personally have been recruited by one such contractor... Lol i hope i never need money THAT BADLY so i told him to go to hell. There is no question that in the world of political blogs, newspaper and other news outlets online sites, and other places on the 'net, that you can find paid shills. So why not here too? Luckily their debate skills usually suck big-time... all they know how to do is use personal attack (...YES that is a challenge, lol.. PLEASE take it and prepare for an ass-whoopin ;).

Let's look at some of the existing threads here: When Gotoluc first announced the plasma arc spark for exploding water, no one at all knew where it would lead (..no one still does). So the idea that it could have been taken off before we all could see it is just wrong.. And maybe a little paranoid ;) . But like i tell peeps who sometimes accuse me of being that: "Even paranoids have enemies" lol.   

Let's look at the sequence of events that would happen if such a "solid" device was revealed here;

> First the thread with vids and photos, schematics would appear. We would all study it closely.

> Next, the naysayers would chime in claiming fraud if it is very obvious from the data shown that it works, or simple incompetence if it is still questionable.

> Those that have learned to ignore the nay-sayers would do so, and prepare to replicate, getting as much info on building as they could out of the inventor / thread owner.

> The first replicators would "just build it" lol. Some may succeed while other's don't, or maybe the level of success would differ greatly. Meanwhile the naysaying would actually increase in volume and nastiness.

> Interest would increase with added replications, causing a cascade effect with more doing so. Suddenly there are two dozen peeps in several different countries doing it. But note: There is still no concrete proof that it is "for real".

> Eventually, if there are several working prototype replication claims, then it will begin to get independently verified.. By local college profs, or other similar means. We will see the verifications. Now it is beginning to feel "for real", and excitement is building.

Guess what? It's now too late to stop it.

This is why the idea that something "too good" would be automatically kept from us is not holding water... Closing ALL the Open Source sites would be the only answer.

I don't want to turn this into a political statement; But i think we can all agree here that in the US we really need to fight for "Net Neutrality" to insure the large telecomm corporations don't get the means to close down sites like this... Because if given that power, they surely will. They didn't build the Internet; they have only used it to make Billions in profits. Yet they claim to have the right to take it over. Are we THAT stupid in America, lol (.. and what happens here effects the entire internet world-wide)? The votes on this will be coming up in the US Senate again later this year.... Last time they only deferred it with no result. 

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2009, 06:12:13 PM »
Hi everybody!

This technology comes from:  the dynamic super-conductivity (DSC,  10 y.o research)!
Russian's call it the  KORTAGE (shorted toroidal electronic wire-vertex ) based on indefinite surface of moebius ring.

Note:
1. The superconductivity doesn’t let any magnetic field get in.
2. the Dynamic here means - the systems must be  pulsed continuously to keep this conductivity on.

This device able to create a super magnetic field with special micro and macro parameters, what  gives to us a new way to make "any energy from everywhere"...

-PS- as I know the Russian’s made field aprox. Н≈51Ñ…1019 а/m, при  t≈180 С, P≈760 mm.<- this is real shit! you can fly easily!

Nick

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2009, 12:46:43 AM »
FWIW, a quote from Bearden that might be a propos to the latter parts of this discussion:

Maxwell's equations (Heaviside version) do indeed allow open EM systems freely
receiving excess energy from their environment, and producing overunity.  Such
systems can (1) self-oscillate, (2) self-organize, and (3) power themselves
while simultaneously powering a load.

There is no problem at all in extracting all the EM energy you wish from the
vacuum.  Everything does that anyway!  Our normal circuits only capture and
use about 10exp(-13) of the actual energy flow extracted from the vacuum by
the source dipole.  Heaviside pointed out that most of the energy was just
wasted in nondivergent form.  Lorentz impatiently formulated a procedure that
just discards all that 10exp13 component, leaving only the 10exp(-13)
component.  That tiny little remaining "diverged" (collected) fraction is what
drives our circuits.  Lorentz also taught us the completely stupid (from a
power system viewpoint) procedure of symmetrically regauging Maxwell-Heaviside
equations before we use them.  In other words, he taught us to discard far
more systems -- all those that asymmetrically self-regauge so as to retain a
net force and be able to use that excess free energy in a load -- than he
retained.  Since then, all our engineers have dutifully -- like good little
parrots -- applied those equations AFTER the Lorentz procedure has been
invoked.

Free energy experimenters always expected a conspiracy somewhere.  It actually
was an innocent conspiracy originally.  The old guys did it to ease the
solution of the equations mathematically.  It appears that one or two later
realized what I speak of in this writeup.  However, their controllers (the
financial end) in secret has had this kind of thing suppressed for decades.
Now you know the exact nature of the real conspiracy.  It is innocent on the
part of the scientists for 99.9999% of the cases.  It is not innocent at all
on the part of a very few powerful industrialists who know this and pass it
along.

Both the Russians (Moscow University) and the U.S. (Gabriel Kron for a
contractor in a Navy contract at Stanford University) made free energy devices
in the 1930s.  The Russian work is fully documented in the hard Russian
physics literature and the French physics literature.  The KGB/Communists
suppressed the Russian work at the beginning of WW II.  I do not know what
happened in France to cause its abandonment.  In the U.S., Kron's work was
never openly released on what he called his "negative resistor" which, when
connected to the Network Analyzer at Stanford, allowed the NA to be
disconnected from the generator because the negative resistor would power it.

See:  http://users.navi.net/~rsc/physics/beard24.txt

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2009, 01:42:01 AM »
http://users.navi.net/~rsc/physics/beard24.txt..<-----looks pretty good!!!!



...it well known  " ...the light speed.. doesnt limit our ideas :)...the principle of mind is the greate ultimate."....
Thanks Mr. Smith for the link!!!  how is Canada doing? (UofA, UBC,..etc)?

Gyus, there is the answer from Tom Bearden <--sound good to me!:
1.......infolded topology within the outfolded topologies" -- is the secret to developing a unified field theory
       is the secret to developing a unified field theory that is engineerable upon the laboratory bench
2, .....Anyhow, hopefully that gives you some insight into the business of
multiarrayed semiconductors performing overunity.

Cheers,
Nick, RF engineering/Canada/USSR