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ben8807

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Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« on: January 09, 2009, 04:58:48 AM »
After spending way too much time on this forum I have some solid constructive and destructive criticism.

Constructive:
If you want to build any device to harness energy you need to know what energy you are harnessing and build the device specifically for that. Too many people on this forum try to find new ways of building things that don't work. You can wrap several coils around a magnet and use some of the coils to generate power and some of them to input power, but in reality unless you have some sort of resonant device that taps existing power then all you have is a transformer.

If you want to measure power output from a device that pulses you must smooth the output to DC. A 500 volt 1 Amp reading looks great, but if its at a 5% duty cycle (ie 5ms on, 95ms off) and you claim a 500 watt output, you are overestimating your output by 1900%. If you intent is to mislead then that's perfect, if your intent is to get power generation then you are just misleading yourself.

If you want to prove real world output, don't connect an unloaded motor rated at 120 volts 5 amps and show that as proof of 600watts output. Unloaded devices draw much less current than loaded ones.

If you try something and it doesn't work, share it. I admit I am guilty of this one. I don't share very often because my setups are ugly and to this point may not work because of poor construction on my part.

USE SPELL CHECK. PROOF YOUR POSTS. DO NOT RUN AROUND USING ALL CAPS. These things are just common courtesy. If English is not your first language that's fine, I don't mind at all, just make your thoughts flow well.

Destructive:

If your intent is to cookbook an idea, then don't even bother posting. Nobody here has a working TPU. Some show promise, but unless you have a handle on how it works the likelihood of stumbling on it by accident is low. One of the most obvious indicators of the elusiveness of this technology is no correlating effects in off the shelf hardware for other applications or just nature in general. If it were as simple as pulsing coils then we would have transformers blowing up all over the world due to the number of applications and frequencies of transformers.

If you are going to share something make diligent attempts to show it is real. Show the entire device on camera. Show that there are no hidden wires. Use a real load that actually uses the power you tell us it uses. And for the love of God don't just show us a multimeter of a charging capacitor or output voltage or output current and make us take on faith that the readings are accurate. Pulsed DC or high frequency AC does not read right on multi-meters. If you don't take these steps nobody should believe you. (If they still do that's their fault.)

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Sorry to be a pain here, but the number of worthless reads on this forum is staggering. This is not collaboration towards an end goal it is a meeting of the forum trolls, the con artists, and the attention deprived. The few people who seem to be moving forward are by far drowned out by the static of the rest. Please try to keep this site somewhat reputable, it is after all one of a kind.

-Ben

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2009, 05:37:59 AM »
Well said, Ben.

Unfortunately, that isn't the way the world works.  All of this documentation and proof will be your undoing.  So, we have to try other ways...

Stop sounding like a troll now.

ben8807

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2009, 09:11:34 AM »
Well said, Ben.

Unfortunately, that isn't the way the world works.  All of this documentation and proof will be your undoing.  So, we have to try other ways...

Stop sounding like a troll now.

Without documentation and proof we have nothing but an unsubstantiated claim. An unsubstantiated claim is garbage not worth looking at. To think otherwise is just wishful thinking.

If you disagree then I have a friend who is a Nigerian prince and needs $2500 to pay the transfer fee to get his vast fortune out of the country. He's willing to pay $20000 cash for your trouble.

Again, sorry for the reality check, but this forum desperately needs it.

-Ben

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2009, 09:40:30 AM »
@Ben
This is sayd good formulated,
TPU and others must work
not only running and lost the
for this "nonsens-running" same or mor energy
that you have inputed.

als this "meter-ing" ams shown lights on Led
(specially on fluorescents tubes (lamps) make
"you sand in the eyes"- so you will nothing understand.
ONLY with loading an electric output to resestiv load
it an way ( for privat -unfrofessional reading- ) to
controle an output to controle the heating now -
or with an (filament) lamp, to see the brightness
and controlling ( compare ) this with an second lamp.
example with an lux-meter, or an foto-exposure meter
-wellknow to your grandfather- (ebay?). conect
the second lamp on DC Power supply, adjust the voltage
to same -compared- brightness, so you shown ( approx.)
and calculate the power ratings (volts time amps are watts
-for DC) . So that is the simplest way that can be done from
most people here - with low budget.

If interested , i can also let shown you the ways, to controlling
peak voltages from DC or AC voltages - and more, without needs
of oszillloscops or costly instruments.
Gustav Pese(

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2009, 03:48:17 PM »
Without documentation and proof we have nothing but an unsubstantiated claim. An unsubstantiated claim is garbage not worth looking at. To think otherwise is just wishful thinking.

If you disagree then I have a friend who is a Nigerian prince and needs $2500 to pay the transfer fee to get his vast fortune out of the country. He's willing to pay $20000 cash for your trouble.

Again, sorry for the reality check, but this forum desperately needs it.

-Ben

Sorry.   No "how to" guides allowed - against protocol - no proving videos either.

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2009, 06:49:05 PM »
Quote
@Ben
This is sayd good formulated,
TPU and others must work
not only running and lost the
for this "nonsens-running" same or mor energy
that you have inputed.

als this "meter-ing" ams shown lights on Led
(specially on fluorescents tubes (lamps) make
"you sand in the eyes"- so you will nothing understand.
ONLY with loading an electric output to resestiv load
it an way ( for privat -unfrofessional reading- ) to
controle an output to controle the heating now -
or with an (filament) lamp, to see the brightness
and controlling ( compare ) this with an second lamp.
example with an lux-meter, or an foto-exposure meter
-wellknow to your grandfather- (ebay?). conect
the second lamp on DC Power supply, adjust the voltage
to same -compared- brightness, so you shown ( approx.)
and calculate the power ratings (volts time amps are watts
-for DC) . So that is the simplest way that can be done from
most people here - with low budget.

If interested , i can also let shown you the ways, to controlling
peak voltages from DC or AC voltages - and more, without needs
of oszillloscops or costly instruments.
Gustav Pese(

HAHAHAHA WTF!!!!  I have no idea what this means hahaha!!!

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2009, 07:03:05 PM »
@ ChalieV. Do not be so quick to dismiss Pese. Although English is not his first language, he is a very knowledgeable and educated man. Read his post again and apply a little effort and you will understand what he is saying, as I do. Let us all respect each other.

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2009, 07:36:26 PM »
Very well Said Ben...

Many people claim OU because they measure incorrectly.


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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2009, 07:44:28 PM »
Compassion towards others is your best defense against your own ignorance.

If you would like others to believe in your abilities you must believe in others.

Otherwise you scream as a loner. You might have alot to offer the group.

--giantkiller. OU is an action not a measurement.

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2009, 08:11:13 PM »
Compassion towards others is your best defense against your own ignorance.

If you would like others to believe in your abilities you must believe in others.

Otherwise you scream as a loner. You might have alot to offer the group.

--giantkiller. OU is an action not a measurement.

That's just it. I don't want others to believe in my abilities just because I say something. If I come here with claims I want them to be challenged, I want them to be replicated, and most importantly if I am on the wrong track I want to be debunked. Otherwise I could end up spending years on a project that appears to work but in fact does nothing.

Over-unity is not an action. It's not a belief or statement. It is a measurement where the 'in' is less than the 'out'.

To believe in something you cannot prove and fight anyone who opposes your belief is not science, it is religion. Sadly this forum has a lot more religion than science, and I for one would like to see that change.

-ben

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2009, 08:22:48 PM »
Then built it.

--giantkiller.

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2009, 08:46:59 PM »
Ben,
I disagree with your post, there is no doubt in my mind that there are a lot of kooky ideas posted at this website.
But inventions and inventers evolve, maybe someone with a kooky idea today will get a good idea tomorrow.
The main thing is for inventors to keep trying to solve are energy problem.

ben8807

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2009, 09:48:40 PM »
Ben,
I disagree with your post, there is no doubt in my mind that there are a lot of kooky ideas posted at this website.
But inventions and inventers evolve, maybe someone with a kooky idea today will get a good idea tomorrow.
The main thing is for inventors to keep trying to solve are energy problem.

Having a kooky idea that you develop is fine. It is the start of all invention!

Having a kooky idea then claiming amazing results without proper testing is not fine. At best it is misleading yourself, at worst it is intentionally misleading others. That's my whole point.

Solving the energy problem is not going to happen with devices that appear to put out more energy than the take in, it is going to happen when we have a device that DOES put out more energy than it takes in. Research into devices that appear to work, but can be fundamentally disproven is pointless! As Edison said "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." Lets focus on trying to find the one rather than finding the 10,000 over and over again.

-ben

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2009, 10:26:48 PM »
@Ben

Maybe there are persons on the forum who have good results or have a working device. But I think when they have a working brain, they will never post it on a public forum. Its way too dangerous...

Think about that.....

A.

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Re: Problems with TPU building and Free energy devices in general.
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2009, 12:10:14 AM »
@Ben

Maybe there are persons on the forum who have good results or have a working device. But I think when they have a working brain, they will never post it on a public forum. Its way too dangerous...

Think about that.....

A.

Nobody will believe you anyways they will try and debunk you and tell you it doesn't work. ask anyone around this joint.