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Offline Oxygon

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Magnetic "Tip" Concept
« on: April 05, 2005, 02:24:56 AM »
Although not a wheel...

the design here is still based on the movements of weights relative to the axis...

I havent tested this...

but I dont see the problem of why it wouldn't work...

If you do, please feel free to share...




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Magnetic "Tip" Concept
« on: April 05, 2005, 02:24:56 AM »

Offline Kysmett

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Re: Magnetic "Tip" Concept
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2005, 04:32:02 PM »
It looks like the arm would find an equilibrium with the moving magnet finding a balance between its weight and the attraction to the bottom magnet.  The attraction to the bottom magnet would also work against the weight of the counterbalance, adding to the downward force(gravity).  Null sum?

If I'm wrong let me know.

Offline Kysmett

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Re: Magnetic "Tip" Concept
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2005, 05:19:09 PM »
Here is a solution that might work though(after I have given it more thought).  Replace the stationary magnets with plexiglass, under which are those 'v' shaped coathangers that cause rolling magnet motion.  I cant find the reference...I will continue looking and post it later, if I can.  That way when the left arm is down, the magnet rolls toward center where it is lifted off the 'track' then up to another track which pushes the magnet in the other direction.

Maybe

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Re: Magnetic "Tip" Concept
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2005, 05:19:09 PM »
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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Magnetic "Tip" Concept
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2005, 05:28:56 PM »
Yes, I also don?t see any possibility, that this could work.
Why should the magnet at the left move at all ?

Regards, Stefan.

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Offline pinobot

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Re: Magnetic "Tip" Concept
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2005, 02:14:36 AM »
I think this could work if you'd change it a little.
Nice design? :)

I've also done some shifting mass designs.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/pinobot/orbiter.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v156/pinobot/orbiter2.jpg)
« Last Edit: May 15, 2005, 02:33:39 AM by pinobot »

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Offline KSW

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Re: Magnetic "Tip" Concept
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2005, 09:50:46 PM »
any description of how the contraption should work?  ;D

Kane

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Re: Magnetic "Tip" Concept
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2005, 10:16:08 PM »
Hello,

I see the same problem like Kysmett, if you try to get a constantly movement by disturbing the balance of two forces, this forces will find a new balance and the movement will stop. I spent a lot of time building machines like the SMOT and came always to the same result. What you need is a dynamic solution which actively disturbs the balance within the moment balance has been established. Nothing else than an electric motor. The major question still is, is it possible to disturbe the balance using less energy than the system supplies while it is strives to a new balance?

Regards

Andreas

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Offline Oxygon

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Re: Magnetic "Tip" Concept
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2005, 06:18:23 PM »
I think this could work if you'd change it a little...

your design is good to...

Although I have identified the flaw...

the arm that swing to the lower end of the tilt will experience increasing resistance as it rotates downward against the field of the central mass magnet...  which given its mass would win against the input of the rotating armature magnet...

plus in order to correct this disproportion... the armature magnet would need more mass... if you did this, the armature magnet would have greature overbalance input than the central mass magnet... given it greater input from is attributed mass and distance form the axis (which should be above the main assembly) other wise your working up and over a hill-effect... which only requires even more input to overcome...

dont get me wrong, great input!!!

the answer will be with us soon...

remember there are "a hundred ways how not to make a light bulb..."

Offline sypherios

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Re: Magnetic "Tip" Concept
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2005, 09:31:08 AM »
This jpg is too simplistic, but the theory is sound. It can be acheived!

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Re: Magnetic "Tip" Concept
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