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Title: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: hartiberlin on January 07, 2009, 01:13:01 PM
Hi ALL,
I did now enable the Karma system in the Forum software.

This is a feature where you can vote on another user,
if you like his postings or not.

I finally enabled this, as many users complained about other
users hijacking their threads and posting totally unrelated things, etc...

The voting is anonymous, so nobody knows who has
voted positively or negatively.

So be nice and don´t abuse this feature.

If a user gets too many total negative Karma votes,
he will be put on ReadOnly mode.

Also I will enforce, that nobody will
register with a second anonymous username to play games
and tricks with other users.

So please be gentle and stay ontopic and don´t abuse the
forum. Then your Karma will also be going positive.

So this will be member based rating system of other members
and will help to ban trolls and offtopic and annoying posters.

P.S. You can only rate others, if you have already posted 20 postings,
so just registering a new account and smite  other users will not work
and if ou try to do this you also will be catched and banned this way.

Regards. Stefan. (admin)
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Paul-R on January 07, 2009, 03:15:58 PM
Hi ALL,
I did now enable the Karma system in the Forum software.
This is a feature where you can vote on another user,
if you like his postings or not.
This will help to overload the data flow.

What is needed is for the "Report to moderator" button to do something, so that
we can do something about the abusers and time wasters pushing up the data
flow and causing this:

"Connection Problems
Sorry, SMF was unable to connect to the database. This may be caused by the
server being busy. Please try again later".

Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: broli on January 08, 2009, 08:59:28 PM
Wow this feature is surely getting abused. All the serious researchers are getting negative rep. Looks like there's are an overload of hidden skeptics around.
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: ramset on January 08, 2009, 09:24:00 PM
Broli
I think I have a secret admirer
Stefan I hope you can correct secret abusers also
Chet
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 08, 2009, 09:27:41 PM
Thanks Stefan for this feature, I applaud you. It should help so long as people don't gang together and abuse it. ... Wow, even you have two negs Stefan!  That's crazy. Who would do that.

People who seek truth while trying to find some form of evidence should stick together, but it seems already these people are getting attacked with the karma abuse. I've done my share of positive Karma clicks today.  ;D

PL
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 08, 2009, 10:35:39 PM
Hey Stefan,

I'm wondering if there's a karma mod only for threads, that's not global, but only per thread. Just a thought.

PL
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: CRANKYpants on January 09, 2009, 01:43:52 PM
Broli
I think I have a secret admirer
Stefan I hope you can correct secret abusers also
Chet

Yes Ramset - and it's because you visited the Perepiteia Thread.
Broli, and PaulLowrance are in the same "TheBuzz Hate Boat"

Thane 
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: BEP on January 09, 2009, 01:58:11 PM
I hope this feature is used only to comment on the poster's use of the forum.

Respectful?
Courteous?
Openness/Sharing?
etc.

NOT

Do I like this person?
The idea is crap? (unless you have sharable proof of you being right then your idea is just as much crap)
Sharing the above proof, constructive criticism, 'good intentioned attempts' at educating someone should not be reason for a smite. Now if you are an anal cavity about it then expect one!

If someone clearly states that his post is his opinion only then that should not earn a smite.

Somehow I think there are a lot of smites simply because the smiters are no different than the smited.

Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 09, 2009, 02:21:55 PM
Broli, and PaulLowrance are in the same "TheBuzz Hate Boat"

Thane 

I would agree with you that the TheBuzz gang is attacking me, Broli, and you Thane.

Stefan, isn't there a way to prevent people from doing multiple smites on the same person? That's a major flaw in the karma system.

PL
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: wattsup on January 09, 2009, 03:25:27 PM
@Stefan

I think this Karma thing it totally childish, unproductive and insultingly inaccurate and should be removed immediately. I am not here to be peg-posted by others and refuse to peg-post others. A simple click on a button is too easy. They have to also write WHY. Without a valid answer to WHY, this method is just totally bogus and means Z E R O. Sorry but I really think it should be removed right away before it creates such a bad atmosphere here that we will just leave and go somewhere else. I am not an experimental rat to me poked and prodded at every post.

Also, the use of TPU elite and other expressions are also nothing but illusions and discriminatory. There is no TPU so how the hell can there be a TPU elite. Why is it good to be an Elite over nothing? So then you should put HHO Elite, Mag Elite, PM Elite and Shmuck Elite so everyone can feel at home.

I asked you to consider limiting the number of new threads one can start with a maximum of 1 or 2 per 3 months. Not more. This will force guys to use their brains and look up existing threads and not open up new threads every time they feel a furt coming.

Anyways, what's the use.
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Grumpy on January 09, 2009, 03:42:45 PM
You guys have it all wrong on the karma thing.

I am only following protocol - if you post something endlessly trifle, reiterative, or just plane stupid, in a thread that I am following - then you get smited. Post something useful in some way shape or form and you get applauded.

This being the case, I have smited Paul everytime he has mentioned a geiger counter - and I already explained why the use of one is not satisfactory, but he keeps bringing it up - I gave him about 5 total give or take.

I_S has 53 smites - I only gave him 3 - so who else is dishing out the smites?

Saint Buzz (TheBuzz) has like 30 smites - I assume the troll network is smiting him randomly and from different accounts - but not too often or it looks suspicious - following their own protocol.

I have 8 or so smites - at least one per troll that has been identified.

Ramset has about 20 smites - pretty suspicious when he never posts anything derogatory - perhaps he is a troll target or a decoy/center as protocol would require.  If he is, then he plays both sides and I'll start smiting him too.  Until that is determined, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.   I did give him two applauds but the smighting attack was too strong.  I suspect trolls are behind it and make it look like Saint Buzz's group - both sides against each other again.

Calling out the trolls is the best thing to ever happen on this forum.
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 09, 2009, 04:33:07 PM
You guys have it all wrong on the karma thing.

I am only following protocol - if you post something endlessly trifle, reiterative, or just plane stupid, in a thread that I am following - then you get smited. Post something useful in some way shape or form and you get applauded.

This being the case, I have smited Paul everytime he has mentioned a geiger counter - and I already explained why the use of one is not satisfactory, but he keeps bringing it up - I gave him about 5 total give or take.

I_S has 53 smites - I only gave him 3 - so who else is dishing out the smites?

Saint Buzz (TheBuzz) has like 30 smites - I assume the troll network is smiting him randomly and from different accounts - but not too often or it looks suspicious - following their own protocol.

I have 8 or so smites - at least one per troll that has been identified.

Ramset has about 20 smites - pretty suspicious when he never posts anything derogatory - perhaps he is a troll target or a decoy/center as protocol would require.  If he is, then he plays both sides and I'll start smiting him too.  Until that is determined, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.   I did give him two applauds but the smighting attack was too strong.  I suspect trolls are behind it and make it look like Saint Buzz's group - both sides against each other again.

Calling out the trolls is the best thing to ever happen on this forum.

I'm not going to stoop to your level by retorting to name calling such as "trolls" as you so enjoy, but I will say that you're talking nonsense. You and the thebuzz refuse to allow anyone to ask for a shred of evidence. Rethink if you believe asking for a shred of proof is "trolling."



This being the case, I have smited Paul everytime he has mentioned a geiger counter - and I already explained why the use of one is not satisfactory, but he keeps bringing it up - I gave him about 5 total give or take.

IMO Stefan would consider that abusing the Karma. You can't stop people from asking for evidence. You are so biased that you refuse to even listen to people. You make immediate assumptions the instant you don't like what someone says.



PL
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: wattsup on January 09, 2009, 05:12:48 PM
@Grumpy

Why is this even a discussion. Just a waste of time.

What now, we will look forward to The Daily Karma Rapport.

I for one will not stay in such and environment so I will simply leave if this Karma Krap does not dissappear from this forum. End of story. I did not sign up for this.
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Grumpy on January 09, 2009, 05:32:20 PM
I'm not going to stoop to your level by retorting to name calling such as "trolls" as you so enjoy, but I will say that you're talking nonsense. You and the thebuzz refuse to allow anyone to ask for a shred of evidence. Rethink if you believe asking for a shred of proof is "trolling."

IMO Stefan would consider that abusing the Karma. You can't stop people from asking for evidence. You are so biased that you refuse to even listen to people. You make immediate assumptions the instant you don't like what someone says.

PL

Paul, you have been in the game a long time.  Long enough to have had the goods a few times, so cut the BS, OK?   We know what you are now - live with it.   SAiNt Buzz is tryng to convey information that will enable the understanding of anomalous energy producing devices, and all you can do is attempt to prevent this - why?

"Troll" is just a term.  Haven't you heard of "trolling"?  It's a "marine" term.  ;D

"Karma" was a good idea, but it's not "real", as you can see.  Might as well turn it back off now, as it no replacement for a moderation.

=======================

@wattsup

Don't be a drama queen...
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 09, 2009, 09:28:46 PM
@Grumpy

Why is this even a discussion. Just a waste of time.

What now, we will look forward to The Daily Karma Rapport.

I for one will not stay in such and environment so I will simply leave if this Karma Krap does not dissappear from this forum. End of story. I did not sign up for this.
I second that; i.e., I'm not staying here so long as the karma system is active. Stefan is doing a great job, but it's chaos over here due to certain people who continually partake in Ad hominem. The karma may be Stefans only option, unless he were to start banning certain people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Thane has suggested a few people to be ban at this forum. I second his ban list.

Peace to Stefan and all the good people at this forum!

PL
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 09, 2009, 09:47:23 PM
Paul, you have been in the game a long time.  Long enough to have had the goods a few times, so cut the BS, OK?   We know what you are now - live with it.   SAiNt Buzz is tryng to convey information that will enable the understanding of anomalous energy producing devices, and all you can do is attempt to prevent this - why?

"Troll" is just a term.  Haven't you heard of "trolling"?  It's a "marine" term.  ;D

"Karma" was a good idea, but it's not "real", as you can see.  Might as well turn it back off now, as it no replacement for a moderation.

=======================

@wattsup

Don't be a drama queen...
Please stop your continuous ad hominem. I've only been working on "free energy" machines for 3 years, and am the only person who can show the exact detailed instructions (part #'s, everything) to build a legit "free energy" machine. Of course the amount of power is extremely small, but one step at a time. All I ever asked of you and thebuzz is show some evidence, and I offered a test, and you guys attacked me from the start. I'm with Thane, ban both of you.

PL
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: fuzzytomcat on January 09, 2009, 11:04:38 PM
Hi ALL,
I did now enable the Karma system in the Forum software.

This is a feature where you can vote on another user,
if you like his postings or not.

I finally enabled this, as many users complained about other
users hijacking their threads and posting totally unrelated things, etc...

The voting is anonymous, so nobody knows who has
voted positively or negatively.

So be nice and don´t abuse this feature.

If a user gets too many total negative Karma votes,
he will be put on ReadOnly mode.

Also I will enforce, that nobody will
register with a second anonymous username to play games
and tricks with other users.

So please be gentle and stay ontopic and don´t abuse the
forum. Then your Karma will also be going positive.

So this will be member based rating system of other members
and will help to ban trolls and offtopic and annoying posters.

P.S. You can only rate others, if you have already posted 20 postings,
so just registering a new account and smite  other users will not work
and if ou try to do this you also will be catched and banned this way.

Regards. Stefan. (admin)


Stefan,

I was wondering when this mod in the SMF forum software you might turn on ... some members deserve the HIGHEST praise for there accomplishments to the devices and research they worked so hard on, this is a excellent way for this to be shown by members when "Guests" that are unaware of what is going on in any Field of Science ...... "Post" quantity says "NOTHING" about any member or his accomplishments.

My only hope is that all members see the usefulness of this so as all members and guests know who is or has the shit with the goods ... and who is "FULL" of it.

Fuzzy
 ;D
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Grumpy on January 09, 2009, 11:34:25 PM
Please stop your continuous ad hominem. I've only been working on "free energy" machines for 3 years, and am the only person who can show the exact detailed instructions (part #'s, everything) to build a legit "free energy" machine. Of course the amount of power is extremely small, but one step at a time. All I ever asked of you and thebuzz is show some evidence, and I offered a test, and you guys attacked me from the start. I'm with Thane, ban both of you.

PL

Sorry Paul.  I had no idea that you were so new at the OU game.

The underlying mechanism is actually very simple, so simple that almost everyone does not even notice it.  "Cavitation" is a very good explanation and I have adopted this myself because of it's simplicity - Kudos to Saint Buzz.

Did you know that some light from the sun is longitudinal?  That's right, not all light is transverse.  Longitudinal light is the room-filling stuff that Tesla produced and Dollard showed in one of his videos.  Dollard released details and a mathematical theory, so he preceeds you by over a decade.

As for being the only one that can show details - you are not, didn't St. Buzz shows details of Thanes device?  If your details were of real value would you share them?  Hmm?  If you had kilowatts at your disposal, would you share it?

There was a group a group of experimenters back in the '80's-90's that had the goods - real goods - not microwatts - kilowatts! - ever see their "details"? - nope, and you never will.

Go ahead. Ban me if you wish. I am slowly and deliberately releasing info that will help many people - even trollers in the long run.  It's the least I can do, since you and Thane sure as hell will never figure it out.  The "Grumpy" username is not required, we are more of a legion than an individual.
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on January 09, 2009, 11:48:05 PM
How about this- only the person who started the thread can give out karma.

its like the banking system if everybody can print the money it has no value.....somebody has to regulate how much karma is available.....

Hmmm.... could turn into a popularity contest....Blegh
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 09, 2009, 11:54:30 PM
Stefan,

some members deserve the HIGHEST praise for there accomplishments to the devices and research they worked so hard on, this is a excellent way for this to be shown by members when "Guests" that are unaware of what is going on in any Field of Science ...... "Post" quantity says "NOTHING" about any member or his accomplishments.

My only hope is that all members see the usefulness of this so as all members and guests know who is or has the shit with the goods ... and who is "FULL" of it.

Fuzzy
 ;D
That's a great idea!!  I hope Stefan uses it. Thank you so much.  If you don't mind, I'll add that to my forum within a day.



Sorry Paul.  I had no idea that you were so new at the OU game.

The underlying mechanism is actually very simple, so simple that almost everyone does not even notice it.  "Cavitation" is a very good explanation and I have adopted this myself because of it's simplicity - Kudos to Saint Buzz.

Did you know that some light from the sun is longitudinal?  That's right, not all light is transverse.  Longitudinal light is the room-filling stuff that Tesla produced and Dollard showed in one of his videos.  Dollard released details and a mathematical theory, so he preceeds you by over a decade.

As for being the only one that can show details - you are not, didn't St. Buzz shows details of Thanes device?  If your details were of real value would you share them?  Hmm?  If you had kilowatts at your disposal, would you share it?

There was a group a group of experimenters back in the '80's-90's that had the goods - real goods - not microwatts - kilowatts! - ever see their "details"? - nope, and you never will.

Go ahead. Ban me if you wish. I am slowly and deliberately releasing info that will help many people - even trollers in the long run.  It's the least I can do, since you and Thane sure as hell will never figure it out.  The "Grumpy" username is not required, we are more of a legion than an individual.
Stefan perhaps you should run a geo track on this guys IP to see where it originates from because he sounds just like thebuzz (prometheus). Who would continually call someone "Saint" as he refers to thebuzz?  He may be logging in with a different dial-up service, or from work, or where ever using a different IP. Just do a geo track to see his nearest location. Use older IP's. You probably have a log of his IP's. It's not a guaranteed method, but maybe you, no all of us, will get lucky and catch him.

PL
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: ramset on January 10, 2009, 12:12:23 AM
Paul
With the shape the world is in right now ,Why are you on this vendetta ?

Banning people working to help the world, is like firing the firemen while Rome burns!!

ENOUGH  go back to work on your experiment Let Saint Buzz work on his [he's not testing your glow in the dark radiate the experimenter deal]

He is building RIGHT NOW to prove his theory

BANNING??WE NEED ALL THE FIREMEN WE CAN GET RIGHT NOW
Chet
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 10, 2009, 12:46:29 AM
Building is good. Don't attack me and other people for trying to help. thebuzz shouldn't make bold claims that if a "free energy" claim doesn't fit his theory that it's not legit; e.g., the MEG.  This community has been distracted enough with fakes, and please don't attack me and others for pointing that out or suggesting that. Continually coming up with a new theory, new machine, new usernames, new photos, new videos that end up a fake and wasting a lot of legit research time is not good, no?

So why the vicious personal attacks you guys start every time someone even tries to test your theories and claims? Here are my claims, with the math, the replication details (including part #'s), and the measurements -->

The replication extreme details:
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?board=15.0

The Math:
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/physics/dirtydetails/

The Measurements:
http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?board=13.0

Shouldn't that be what a legit claim look like?

Regards,
PL
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: ramset on January 10, 2009, 01:01:23 AM
Paul
 please post ONE quote of mine where I personally attack you !!
Chet
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 10, 2009, 01:16:01 AM
This is getting bad. Lets please end this junk. I have nothing terribly bad against you, even though you have attacked me. Most of the negative attacks are from grumpy and thebuzz. If you must, here it is -->

In the closed thread, Grumpy replied to my post (included my username) and said, quote, "I'm not interested in "perpetual motion", only conversion and magnification of energy, and, of course, the smashing of "trolls" along the way."

Then on the next page you replied, quote, "Yes the smell of broiled troll is quite distinctive. Chet"

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6192.msg146941#msg146941

I was just trying to help, did some searching to find a cheap $15 geiger counter, and my idea was blown off, made fun of, my diode array research was made fun of, accused of being a troll and a disinformation agent.

Regards,
PL
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 10, 2009, 01:21:37 AM
I don't think this "karma" system is even worth bothering with.  As is plainly evident, it it being abused by a few, most likely the same few that abuse others on here for whatever their reasons are.  I have handed out nothing but positive "applauds" to all of the folks that have helped me on here.  I have not and will not bother with the "smites" as I don't think it does any good.  Just my 2 cents.  I also agree that each person should only get 1 "vote" + or-  per person, and that would stop the abuse.

Bill
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: ramset on January 10, 2009, 01:28:10 AM
Paul
I guess I shouldn't post when Ive had a few beers
I was speaking generically Not specific to you
But I see your point
 Chet
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Grumpy on January 10, 2009, 01:30:15 AM
This is getting bad. Lets please end this junk. I have nothing terribly bad against you, even though you have attacked me. Most of the negative attacks are from grumpy and thebuzz. If you must, here it is -->

In the closed thread, Grumpy replied to my post (included my username) and said, quote, "I'm not interested in "perpetual motion", only conversion and magnification of energy, and, of course, the smashing of "trolls" along the way."

Then you replied, quote, "Yes the smell of broiled troll is quite distinctive. Chet"

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6192.msg146941#msg146941

I was just trying to help, did some searching to find a cheap $15 geiger counter, and my idea was blown off, made fun of, my diode array research was made fun of, accused of being a troll and a disinformation agent.

PL

Only a troll would be offended by Ramsets statement about broiled troll - maybe he is an anti-troll.

Calling you a troll, yes, I believe you are.  Hmm - "Lowrance" is a brand of fish finder - excellent for "trolling".

Saint Buzz explained why the Geiger counter that you referenced will not work.  I explained why a Geiger in general is not a definitive test, but you ignore those details and keep presenting your own as if you were slighted.  Weren't Saint Buzz and I slighted by you ignoring our argument against Geiger counters? Yes, we were.

We did not make fun of your diode array.  I wished you good luck with it, and explained my disinterest in it.  Sorry is you didn't appreciate that.

Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: hansvonlieven on January 10, 2009, 01:31:16 AM
G'day Stefan and all,

Perhaps you could have a look how the rating system works on the Bessler forum. That appears to be a good thing.

As it stands this here is poor.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 10, 2009, 01:39:53 AM
Paul
I guess I shouldn't post when Ive had a few beers
I was speaking generically Not specific to you
But I see your point
 Chet
No problem! I still like most of your posts.

PL
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: infringer on January 10, 2009, 01:55:59 AM
I applaud it karma is a system that gives users credibility ...

Not that I care how credible this comment is :P
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 10, 2009, 02:05:54 AM
Hi ALL,
I did now enable the Karma system in the Forum software.

This is a feature where you can vote on another user,
if you like his postings or not.

I finally enabled this, as many users complained about other
users hijacking their threads and posting totally unrelated things, etc...

The voting is anonymous, so nobody knows who has
voted positively or negatively.

So be nice and don´t abuse this feature.

If a user gets too many total negative Karma votes,
he will be put on ReadOnly mode.

Also I will enforce, that nobody will
register with a second anonymous username to play games
and tricks with other users.

So please be gentle and stay ontopic and don´t abuse the
forum. Then your Karma will also be going positive.

So this will be member based rating system of other members
and will help to ban trolls and offtopic and annoying posters.

P.S. You can only rate others, if you have already posted 20 postings,
so just registering a new account and smite  other users will not work
and if ou try to do this you also will be catched and banned this way.

Regards. Stefan. (admin)


@ Stefan:

I applaud your enforcement of the multiple user name ban.  There are still folks here doing exactly this and I believe it undermines the integrity of the forum itself.  After all, you build a reputation on any forum, good or bad, by your behavior or lack thereof.  As in life, this reputation should follow you around in the forum.

Stefan, I think this should be a topic all of its own.  (even a locked one)  to warn the multiple user name folks that it is time to stop.  I have done some research and I believe I know who most of them are.  Thanks.

Bill
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: ramset on January 10, 2009, 02:14:48 AM
Bill
I'm not sure Stefan would be interested in limiting members[one address can have several members]
I myself have never posted under any other name
As long as Stefan has the IP's there is no way to abuse and get away with it
Chet
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 10, 2009, 02:23:32 AM
@ Chet:

Sure there is.  My IP address changes on here about every other time I log on.  IP addresses do change on a regular basis.

Stefan said he was going to do this already anyway and I was just agreeing with him.  There are other ways to track folks and I am sure Stefan knows how to do this.   I understand what you say about multiple users from one household, but Stefan can tell that also. (There are several ways) I agree that a husband and wife, or whatever, should be allowed to have access and I am sure that will still be ok.

Bill
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: ramset on January 10, 2009, 02:31:13 AM
Bill
I really don't think this part means no secret identities
 Quote

Also I will enforce, that nobody will
register with a second anonymous username to play games
and tricks with other users.

Seems to imply no secret ID to cause mischief
 Chet
PS I had no idea about the address thing changing
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Yucca on January 10, 2009, 02:59:04 AM
As long as Stefan has the IP's there is no way to abuse and get away with it

IP addresses do change on a regular basis.

IP addresses do change, but your block address wont when using the same cable, your IP will always be selected from one of many in your designated IP block.

But employing IP block address blacklisting does not cure all because anyone can just use a proxy server. Also if someone on the same block as a banned user tries to sign up then they will not be able to.
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 10, 2009, 03:03:29 AM
@ Chet:

You will have to ask Stefan what he meant by that.  It is possible that you are correct but that is not how I read it.

I see it is changed now but, we used to (maybe even a week ago or so) see our own IP address over top of our Avatar on the home page.  I started writing mine down each time I signed on because I thought I saw it was different but then thought maybe I was going crazy or something.  After writing it down each day for a week, I saw that it changed 5 times.  Stefan said in another post somewhere that this is common.  I am using no special "spoof" software to do this.

Bill
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: capthook on January 10, 2009, 07:06:57 AM
@Stefan

I think this Karma thing it totally childish, unproductive and insultingly inaccurate and should be removed immediately. I am not here to be peg-posted by others and refuse to peg-post others. A simple click on a button is too easy. They have to also write WHY. Without a valid answer to WHY, this method is just totally bogus and means Z E R O. Sorry but I really think it should be removed right away before it creates such a bad atmosphere here that we will just leave and go somewhere else. I am not an experimental rat to me poked and prodded at every post.

How many karma points to be nominated for Prom King?  Can I trade them in for some free merchandise?
Maybe we should be forced to submit credit reports so that we can be ranked according to our credit score!

Or is it your intention to squash descent?  "Better post nothing but hugs and kisses - you think the moon is made of cheese?  I will give you love less I get smited!"

The feature is stupid, insulting, rude, and ignorant.
So there - I spoke my mind - expressing my negative opinion.....
Time for you guys to blast me with smites I guess!   ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: hoptoad on January 10, 2009, 10:06:40 AM
How many karma points to be nominated for Prom King?  Can I trade them in for some free merchandise?
Maybe we should be forced to submit credit reports so that we can be ranked according to our credit score!

Or is it your intention to squash descent?  "Better post nothing but hugs and kisses - you think the moon is made of cheese?  I will give you love less I get smited!"

The feature is stupid, insulting, rude, and ignorant.
So there - I spoke my mind - expressing my negative opinion.....
Time for you guys to blast me with smites I guess!   ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

ROFLMAO  ....... Smite, smite, smite, smite..... KneeDeep  :D
Cheers Capt'n !
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: spinner on January 10, 2009, 01:05:47 PM
Lol, the "Karma" thing!

Who can believe it in a forum like this?

Beside those who were "carefully saving" themselves (and their "reputation") in the last few days (Very smart move, i'd say...), some of us tried to disclose the idiotism of such a system ..

Most of the neg. hits -smites (the series of them!) were given by the "very organised and motivated" people and their groups... I personally scored 90% of a neg. rep. just after the mayhem call of just a one pearson, the "great Buzz"..

I've checked one of the most "fucked up and disilusional" groups - (that would be the "SaintBuzz" and his (few) followers!) Basically, there are just a three of them, plus a few occasional "bypassers"....

While their boss is a highly delusional, but very indoctrinated and decisive pearson, spreading mostly disinformation and HATE  , he is acting with accordance  with his eternal EGO principles.. THE TROLL OF THE WORST KIND...

He's enforcing a "one truth, myne truth" principle with a brute (and a very primitive) methods...

No proof for his claims of any kind, whatsoever. (!!!)
He has harmed many of the good people here. Imagine, the poor fecker appeared here just recently?  Whomever asked for a proof of any of his claims, he was chased to the limits....Who is against him, he's an unbeliever. And should be burned on the stake...

Yep, that's "TheBuzz". Chased off from the many forums, finding his "final" place here at last....

Farce...
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Grumpy on January 10, 2009, 03:59:23 PM
Lol, the "Karma" thing!

Who can believe it in a forum like this?

Beside those who were "carefully saving" themselves (and their "reputation") in the last few days (Very smart move, i'd say...), some of us tried to disclose the idiotism of such a system ..

Most of the neg. hits -smites (the series of them!) were given by the "very organised and motivated" people and their groups... I personally scored 90% of a neg. rep. just after the mayhem call of just a one pearson, the "great Buzz"..

I've checked one of the most "fucked up and disilusional" groups - (that would be the "SaintBuzz" and his (few) followers!) Basically, there are just a three of them, plus a few occasional "bypassers"....

While their boss is a highly delusional, but very indoctrinated and decisive pearson, spreading mostly disinformation and HATE  , he is acting with accordance  with his eternal EGO principles.. THE TROLL OF THE WORST KIND...

He's enforcing a "one truth, myne truth" principle with a brute (and a very primitive) methods...

No proof for his claims of any kind, whatsoever. (!!!)
He has harmed many of the good people here. Imagine, the poor fecker appeared here just recently?  Whomever asked for a proof of any of his claims, he was chased to the limits....Who is against him, he's an unbeliever. And should be burned on the stake...

Yep, that's "TheBuzz". Chased off from the many forums, finding his "final" place here at last....

Farce...

Well, what is next for the "trollers" now that the Karma thing backfired?   Interesting that is has never been activated until the Troll Army was exposed.

As for Saint Buzz's attempts to inform his fellow man if thnigs that you and your institution do not want to be made public, what have you done?  If you were all devoted researchers for the betterment of mankind, you would assist him.

You are not even a good troll.  Cee_eyI_Ay might have picked you up if you had about 50 more IQ points, but they don't like mediocre candidates, they want only the best - no identifying mark either, so birthmarks in view are out. 

If you were Jewish, you might try Mossad ( המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים ), especially since you are fluent in English and American manurisms - need to learn Hebrew though, which reads right to left and has a different alphabet.  There is this one guy that really had a distaste for Mossad, he keeps a beard to cover a scar on his throat - yeah, no love there.  Suspect he was some sort of rogue as he didn't like anyone.

Anyway, you trollers could learn something from the "Big Boys of Intel" - see, you don't supress, you get involved and you get close...
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: spinner on January 10, 2009, 04:41:42 PM
Well, what is next for the "trollers" now that the Karma thing backfired?   Interesting that is has never been activated until the Troll Army was exposed.

As for Saint Buzz's attempts to inform his fellow man if thnigs that you and your institution do not want to be made public, what have you done?  If you were all devoted researchers for the betterment of mankind, you would assist him.

You are not even a good troll.  Cee_eyI_Ay might have picked you up if you had about 50 more IQ points, but they don't like mediocre candidates, they want only the best - no identifying mark either, so birthmarks in view are out. 

If you were Jewish, you might try Mossad ( המוסד למודיעין ולתפקידים מיוחדים ), especially since you are fluent in English and American manurisms - need to learn Hebrew though, which reads right to left and has a different alphabet.  There is this one guy that really had a distaste for Mossad, he keeps a beard to cover a scar on his throat - yeah, no love there.  Suspect he was some sort of rogue as he didn't like anyone.

Anyway, you trollers could learn something from the "Big Boys of Intel" - see, you don't supress, you get involved and you get close...

You see, I always knew you were yust a Troll (!).

You were just a tool in the Buzz's hands, but you were not aware of that.... I feel sorry for you. Mr. TPU "god knows what... with many stars" .... ;D

Start to collect some real results.! Not just the wet dream fantasies!!!

(I remember some of your first, original questions made here, lol....)  ;D

So, are you going to play by the Buzz tune, or you'll sing your own? Little Fucker?
Troll...? ;D

Do you understand the Ohm's law? We can start with that for a beggining.... Later, we can revert to the "cold electricity" and so on...
 It seems you don't have much in common with the BASIC ELECTROTECHNICS.... Or Physics in general.....

No wander, you are The Last SAMURAI of the delusional "milk man", The SaintBuzz .....
The One who gave the most smites to anyone... Handy....

What's up? Little wiesel? ;D
The Supreme troll? (let's get straight, the Buzzer is just an annoyance.... I think you're the one who could show us a NEW PATH???)
 ;D
So?....




Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Grumpy on January 10, 2009, 05:13:10 PM
You see, I always knew you were yust a Troll (!).

You were just a tool in the Buzz's hands, but you were not aware of that.... I feel sorry for you. Mr. TPU "god knows what... with many stars" .... ;D

Start to collect some real results.! Not just the wet dream fantasies!!!

(I remember some of your first, original questions made here, lol....)  ;D

So, are you going to play by the Buzz tune, or you'll sing your own? Little Fucker?
Troll...? ;D

Do you understand the Ohm's law? We can start with that for a beggining.... Later, we can revert to the "cold electricity" and so on...
 It seems you don't have much in common with the BASIC ELECTROTECHNICS.... Or Physics in general.....

No wander, you are The Last SAMURAI of the delusional "milk man", The SaintBuzz .....
The One who gave the most smites to anyone... Handy....

What's up? Little wiesel? ;D
The Supreme troll? (let's get straight, the Buzzer is just an annoyance.... I think you're the one who could show us a NEW PATH???)
 ;D
So?....

That's all you got, punk?  That's your best?  Told you and your girls to get that CIA coercion guide - it's the best.  Least you can do is apply "The Art of War" - assuming you can understand it.  I'm sure at least one of your has a copy.

If you were "In The Know" and not just a pissing puppy, you would know that "Ohm's Law" was "extended".  Sit and spin on that propeller-hat-boy - that what a spinner really is!

"Cold electricity" is just induction with the vector sideways.  Maybe they didn't breif you on that part as you might screw it up trying to act like you know something about it, you know, with the low IQ and all they just couldn't take the risk. S_ar_s was briefed for sure, but then he is in the better group, much smarter, and has better skills - they can;t stand you girls, by the way.  You go around screwing everything up for them.  So, waht have you accomplished for the "program"? Nothing?   Come on now, get with it or they will let you go.   Hell, even I_S has a few infiltrations to boast about - all you have is a big mouth.

By the way, whoever hacked me recently and screwed with my keyboard can kiss my arse...
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Shanti on January 10, 2009, 05:34:49 PM
I think just one look at this thread already shows, that the whole Karma-Thing doesn't work!

I personally would just implement an "report abuse" button, to report the real abuses to Stefan.
I think what many people here would declare an abuse is just a difference in opinion, and IMHO this is what such a forum is for. If we all have the same opinion, the same truth, it wouldn't make sense to discuss!

As long as we are not enlightened and really understand the why and how of all things, we just have a limited truth which may be very wrong. Sure everybody for himself thinks his truth is right, it has to be, otherwise it wouldn't be one's truth. But one must also see, that one's own truth has changed and still changes over time, so is it not logical, that one's current truth is not correct, or harder said that it has to be wrong! So why fight against each other, convincing one another, that his truth is the one and only real thing. This is just like the many religious wars which have been fought and are still going on...It just doesn't make sense...

Tolerance is the keyword.

People should understand, that having different opinions and even having sometimes hard discussions about them, has nothing to do with the persons themselves. Which means, if I have a different opinion, doesn't mean I think you're bad/an idiot/looser/...
IMHO too many people here take discussions about opinions/truths too personally. And as soon as they feel that they've been attacked they will smite...REVENGE!!!  ;D

I think the idea of this forum is to spread one's ideas to inspire other people, or get inspired by their ideas. Additionally other people can show the flaws in ones theories and vice versa...
So together we will be able to progress faster.
This is at least how I see it.

If people still wanna be able to distinguish people who contribute profound posts, one could introduce the thanking system like e.g. philosophy.org has. Which means, if you liked a post you thank this user for this post. So people which have been thanked a lot do get some reputation for their work.

Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 10, 2009, 05:54:01 PM
Quote from: Shanti
I personally would just implement an "report abuse" button, to report the real abuses to Stefan.
I applaud you for that! :)   This forum is probably getting to much for one person to handle. Perhaps Stefan could give a few honest people moderator privileges to help him out. Isn't that how most forums eventually end up?

PL
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: poynt99 on January 10, 2009, 07:28:52 PM
 ??? Just posted a minor update to my "Towards Realizing the TPU" document, and received a smite shortly thereafter.

Can't say that's very encouraging at all.

.99
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: ramset on January 10, 2009, 07:40:52 PM
Poynt
hopefully it was an accident
Your hard and selfless work is very much appreciated by MANY here
Thank you
 Chet
Ps I don't think this smite thing will last
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 10, 2009, 07:43:11 PM

That tells you 2 things poynt99.

1...you may be heading in the right direction.

2...there are people here trying their best to create distraction and diversion.

Wear it as a badge of honor.

The numbers of 'smites' to certain members tell a bit of a story to anyone has been paying attention for the last while.

Regards...
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Grumpy on January 10, 2009, 07:52:18 PM
That tells you 2 things poynt99.

1...you may be heading in the right direction.

Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: poynt99 on January 10, 2009, 08:01:35 PM
Thanks guys.

btw, I've neither smited nor applauded anyone, as I refuse to use this type of system for providing feedback. I prefer simple direct discussion because I feel if you do not have the courage or desire to comment directly with a message, you should not comment at all.

.99
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 10, 2009, 08:25:28 PM
Quote from: ramset
Ps I don't think this smite thing will last

Hmmm, that brings an interesting thought. Perhaps only having the applaud thing would work. That would perhaps in some small way reward those who are more positive. ... I don't know. We need more good moderators. We just need to clone more Stefans.  ;D

PL
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: fuzzytomcat on January 10, 2009, 11:06:06 PM
I applaud you for that! :)   This forum is probably getting to much for one person to handle. Perhaps Stefan could give a few honest people moderator privileges to help him out. Isn't that how most forums eventually end up?

PL

Hi Paul,

There are several people that have offered their help to Stefan such as myself I have no bone to pick with anyone here .... I'm presently a moderator at http://convivea.com/forums/index.php and http://www.hhoforums.com/index.php?s=72641dbd45607cf7140cf387a568dd84 and your right about honest people having these privileges.

As a moderator you know members e-mail addresses, IP Numbers, ISP provider and with good IP tracking software with a good "ping" and your online know within 100' of where you live, other user names you may have, modify, move or delete posts or threads, ban members for days or forever, track where you go on the forum to what posts you see or other members you check out. If pissed off you could delete a forums content in 15 minutes.  :o

Also most forums have more than 1 person running the show like Convivea for example because of the traffic ("Bit Che" P2P search engine forum site) there are 6 Administrators and 11 Moderators around the world in every time zone possible so as someone is there at all times or in and out to do what we do "ZERO" toleration on anything that could be objectionable to any other member or "Guest".

Hopefully Stefan can find someone to help here many good people have left because of the "bull shit" which only hurts the forum ......

Regards,
Fuzzy
 ;D



Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: hartiberlin on January 11, 2009, 12:39:02 AM
Hi All,
I disabled again the Karma system.

It seems there is too much fight about this now.

When I am redoing overunity.com
at around the 20th of this month when
I move to the new SMF 2.0beta4 version,
I will also enabled a better user controlled
rating system.

I first have to test this on a test domain first,
so I can see, if it all works realiable before
putting it here on this live domain.

Stay tuned...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: hartiberlin on January 11, 2009, 12:42:21 AM
P.S. From February on I will do this as a full time job and will also
moderate then much more and also have a few more other
moderators.

So stay tuned for the better changes that will come soon.
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: hansvonlieven on January 11, 2009, 12:50:00 AM
Good call Stefan, Thanks

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: ramset on January 11, 2009, 12:50:32 AM
HALLELUJAHHHH
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 11, 2009, 01:52:22 AM
Stefan:

I agree with Hans, good call....very good call.  If the new software allows the topics author to moderate his, or her, own topic, (including banning abusers from that topic) I think that will go a long way toward making your job easier, and keeping the posts reasonable.  Thank you.

Bill
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: poynt99 on January 11, 2009, 02:25:05 AM
Stefan:

I agree with Hans, good call....very good call.  If the new software allows the topics author to moderate his, or her, own topic, (including banning abusers from that topic) I think that will go a long way toward making your job easier, and keeping the posts reasonable.  Thank you.

Bill

This of course opens the door for censorship abuse. I am 100% for banning those that use abusive language towards others, but that is where the line needs to be drawn.

What is sure to happen if authors are given moderation rights is in many cases people will be banned merely for asking reasonable questions or pointing out facts or evidence that go against the author's beliefs or claims.

There is already ample evidence all over this forum that indicates this will happen. So in most cases this will not work.

The moderator must be someone that is impartial to the topic of discussion, and issues bans based solely on the behavior of members, not on whether or not the technical content is in agreement with the author's claims and ideas. This unfortunately leaves out the author as being his own moderator....unless.

There is one way however to make this work, and that is to moderate the author/moderator. Stefan will need to keep a close eye on them and/or consider complaints from those that may have been banned. Stefan can then make the final call.

In addition, I'd suggest that Stefan closely scrutinize what people are saying when they open a topic. Anyone claiming they've got overunity in their first post should provide ample solid evidence of their claim, and only then should be given moderator rights. Those not making claims of overunity could of course receive moderator rights immediately.

.99
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: wattsup on January 11, 2009, 03:29:12 AM
@Stefan

It takes a big man to know when to pull the plug and you just showed us who that man is. Thank you!

Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: infringer on January 11, 2009, 08:36:18 AM
Whew moderation and website management as a full time job that is amazing where will you get the cash from?

Are you planing on...

Charging money to use the website?
Putting up more advertisement?
Selling products from OU members and taking a cut?
Donations?
Tshirts and other OU gear?

I guess everyone has to make a living but I just wonder which road you plan on taking heartiberlin?

Obviously it will be one that will effect us in this manner full time requires revenue.
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Shanti on January 11, 2009, 11:44:44 AM
First! Stefan, thank you very very much for your continous efforts and the time you spent to realize this forum!

Quote
The moderator must be someone that is impartial to the topic of discussion, and issues bans based solely on the behavior of members, not on whether or not the technical content is in agreement with the author's claims and ideas. This unfortunately leaves out the author as being his own moderator....

100% Ack!

What would interest me: Is there currently much abuse? For I don't see any! Or is Stefan always that fast?!?
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: fuzzytomcat on January 11, 2009, 08:33:25 PM
First! Stefan, thank you very very much for your continous efforts and the time you spent to realize this forum!

100% Ack!

What would interest me: Is there currently much abuse? For I don't see any! Or is Stefan always that fast?!?


Hi Shanti,

As a Moderator on several other sites one only has to look at the "Terms of Service" to see what is a violation of the web site policy is..... ie: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5554.0.html
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6. Specific Use

You further agree not to use the website to send or post any message or material that is unlawful, harassing, defamatory, abusive, indecent, threatening, harmful, vulgar, obscene, sexually orientated, racially offensive, profane, pornographic or violates any applicable law and you hereby indemnify the Website Owner against any loss, liability, damage or expense of whatever nature which the Website Owner or any third party may suffer which is caused by or attributable to, whether directly or indirectly, your use of the website to send or post any such message or material.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

There are several members "HERE" at this web site that do not understand that the "WORLD" can see what is posted here if one was to log on ..... and there is harassing, defamatory and abusive remarks "EVERYWHERE" something productive members should be mad as hell about !

You get rid of "bad" apples ..... or the worms effect the whole crop !!

2 cents
Fuzzy
 ;D
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: ramset on January 11, 2009, 09:08:04 PM
Fuzzy
How many of the greatest men /scientists in history were considered Bad apples[NUTS][during their time]

A slippery slope this moderator stuff

Imagine banning a guy that has the cure for cancer, because you don't like his attitude?

Some of the brightest men that ever lived  were socially weird and quite arrogant [Bad apples??]
Chet
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: fuzzytomcat on January 11, 2009, 09:34:13 PM
Fuzzy
How many of the greatest men /scientists in history were considered Bad apples[NUTS][during their time]

A slippery slope this moderator stuff

Imagine banning a guy that has the cure for cancer, because you don't like his attitude?

Some of the brightest men that ever lived  were socially weird and quite arrogant [Bad apples??]
Chet


I agree 100 % Chet !! It's not a easy task at times .... usually I edit out the stuff and PM them about the problem, second time same thing a short ban maybe if needed, if it gets bad it just looks bad and there gone.

The pornographic stuff and drugs short history no exceptions gone.

Fuzzy
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: hansvonlieven on January 11, 2009, 11:56:23 PM
G'day Fuzzy and all,

I share your concerns. Just lately there have been a number of threads that spread venom across this supposedly technical forum. The amount of antisemitic comments, religious fanaticism and extremist political views have increased beyond all reason.

There should be no place for these things in a forum of this nature. Whilst I am not against free speech there should be some sort of control over those elements that are trying to get a free platform for their extremist views.

Themes such as: " Are the Israelis serial killers and psychopaths?" have no place here and should be discouraged.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 12, 2009, 12:10:50 AM
I agree with Hans.  This is supposed to be a science and energy research site.  I am sure there are plenty of other non-science forums that would welcome those extremist views.

Bill
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 12, 2009, 12:46:52 AM

I am also in agreement that racist views like the thread topic " Are the Israelis serial killers and psychopaths?", have no place here.

Having said that, such provocative threads and inflammatory postings can easily be countered and diffused with rational reasoning.

Also there is the intentional baiting and sweeping generalized insults, cryptically directed at specific members...to me that is a far more serious problem.

Regards...

Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: hansvonlieven on January 12, 2009, 12:58:51 AM
LOL Cap-Z-ro,

With us "controversial Characters" ad hominem attacks are the order of the day. I am thick skinned enough to cope with that. ;D ;D ;D

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Trino Cularoid on January 12, 2009, 01:26:43 AM
Moderation can be a tough job, on both sides. Boards with relatively tight control already exist (I think http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/ is one of them). I think censoring should be done as transparently and automatically as possible. For example (I don't know if this would work though or would be technically feasible), postings that are inappropriate are not edited or deleted but they are moved to a special topic (like a waste basket) that is not accessible by spiders or non-registered users (but should not be restricted to "secret societies" like moderators or "TPU Elite" or some such) and where the (automatically notified) author could revise it within a certain period before it is automatically deleted.

Of course there will need to be rules (in the very simplest case a list with blacklisted words) but sometimes they can become quite complicated (like on http://torrents.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1045 (http://translate.google.com/translate_c?sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://torrents.ru/forum/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D1045)) so they probably need to change (by design) every now and then to be kept "simple".
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: fuzzytomcat on January 12, 2009, 01:47:24 AM
Moderation can be a tough job, on both sides. Boards with relatively tight control already exist (I think http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/ is one of them). I think censoring should be done as transparently and automatically as possible.

Hi Trino Cularoid,

You got http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/ right on "NO" hanky panky there at all .... on topic little deviation of subjects and with a waiting list 2 month long to get in. The Administration there has zero tolerance the "Terms of Service" are enforced no question.

The SMF forum software has some limitations but moderators can be assigned sections and can only modify their section or area, only a global moderator can do modifications, delete, lock, move a subject or thread anywhere in the forum. A member can receive infractions to a semi or full ban this can also be a user name ban only or a full IP, user name and e-mail ban, depending on if you ever want the member back.

But again ...... It's up to the administration to make the "Term of Service" and relay to the moderators what to do, moderators can get banned also thats why there are administrators.

Regards,
Fuzzy
 ;D
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Trino Cularoid on January 12, 2009, 02:59:14 AM
You got http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/ right on "NO" hanky panky there at all ....

I understand their motive ("safe space"). However, if, for example, posts show up about unfair or unclear moderation, and those then also get removed, that could also take away from "safe space" if not done openly.

Possibly the mentioned new karma system will help the board to regulate itself somewhat. We'll see. I think the previous karma test run could mostly be used to steer off the drama (if so desired  ;D). While obviously abused, I think some people also voted for how they thought or felt about the truthfulness or honesty of some users (and not about the correctness or rationality of posting content).

[To continue above paragraph: My assumption would be that somebody who is in error but truthful would sooner or later correct the error and then there will be progress, but somebody who withholds or pretends could easily interfere with others despite the postings appearing to be helpful/correct/rational. Hard to moderate that one by following rules.]
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 12, 2009, 03:33:55 AM

I wasn't making reference to your escapades on the LT lead out thread. :)

Heck, your long standing connection/relationship with Lawrence a part of OU.com folklore.

Regards...

Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: NerzhDishual on January 12, 2009, 03:58:05 AM
@Fuzzy_Tom_Cat

Moderator = Rozzer/Screw.
Moderator motivation: Kontrol.
Moderator mind: Paranoia.
Moderator discourse: Jesuitism.
Moderator agenda: NWO..
Moderator behavior= Konformism.  

Bravo!
Vive l'Anarchie!
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 12, 2009, 04:11:16 AM
Without order, there is chaos.

Bill
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: fuzzytomcat on January 12, 2009, 04:25:44 AM
@Fuzzy_Tom_Cat

Moderator = Rozzer/Screw.
Moderator motivation: Kontrol.
Moderator mind: Paranoia.
Moderator discourse: Jesuitism.
Moderator agenda: NWO..
Moderator behavior= Konformism.  

Bravo!
Vive l'Anarchie!

@ NerzhDishual,

I quite don't know what your talking about ... being a forum moderator is like a referee for a sport, there are rules to play the game not taking sides with creditability and oversight from the officials having the last say or jurisdiction.

A person that is only a forum member "ONLY" can say what ever you can get away with, agendas that are openly seen to others embraced or shunned by forum members if your in to that. Personally I use one screen name on the web and have for eight years "Google" it I don't hide and stand behind what I say, open book ... if anyone connected all the dots they could come right to my front door.

Fuzzy
 :D

Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: hoptoad on January 12, 2009, 04:54:53 AM
Without order, there is chaos.

Bill
And without chaos in the early universe, there would have been no ascendant order.

If the beginning of the universe had been a chaos free, perfect big bang, then matter would never have condensed into large clumps, as each individual particle would be evenly displaced and accelerating at an even rate, away from all other particles.

Ironic isn't it, that the present universe required a chaotic birth for it to evolve into its current ordered form.
Cheers
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: hansvonlieven on January 12, 2009, 07:00:51 AM
There is no large scale chaos observable in the universe. Yes, chaos does occur on a small scale until order is re-established, but by all observation chaotic states do NOT persist.

The idea that the universe was created by introducing order into chaos is ad absurdum per se. It is a religious idea.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: hoptoad on January 12, 2009, 08:21:26 AM
There is no large scale chaos observable in the universe. Yes, chaos does occur on a small scale until order is re-established, but by all observation chaotic states do NOT persist.

The idea that the universe was created by introducing order into chaos is ad absurdum per se. It is a religious idea.

Hans von Lieven
No argument there. Chaotic behaviour doesn't have to persist to have a profound effect. The whole premise of applied fractal mathematics, is that a scaling effect occurs throughout the universe, whereby, as postulated in that one - liner "a butterfly flaps it's wings in the amazon jungle and causes a cyclone on the other side of the world."

It is a religious idea that order was imposed or introduced upon the chaos.

I'm an Atheist.

It is a quantum idea, that order as we currently know it, evolved due to a degree of chaos moments after the "supposed" big bang.
In the absence of that momentary chaos, a different sort of order would possibly exist, but not likely the order we currently observe, which is ostensibly mostly space occupied by low densities of solid matter (interstellar space), interpersed with regular "clumps" of densely packed matter (galaxies)

Since I don't believe in the Big Bang theory (invented by a Catholic Priest as an acceptable explanation for science apologists who needed to hang on to their faith, but still embrace science), its all moot point to me really !
But I do think order isn't everthing it's cracked up to be!  A little dis-order can be fun  :D

Cheers

Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 12, 2009, 04:37:37 PM
I am also in agreement that racist views like the thread topic " Are the Israelis serial killers and psychopaths?", have no place here.

I agree.
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: fuzzytomcat on January 12, 2009, 09:48:11 PM
I am also in agreement that racist views like the thread topic " Are the Israelis serial killers and psychopaths?", have no place here.

Having said that, such provocative threads and inflammatory postings can easily be countered and diffused with rational reasoning.

Also there is the intentional baiting and sweeping generalized insults, cryptically directed at specific members...to me that is a far more serious problem.

Regards...



Hi Cap,

I also have reservations on the "Are the Israelis serial killers and psychopaths?" http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6476.0  by brian334 this subject was started on January 05, 2009 with 74 reply's and 1028 views on a "Science" forum web site I have sent a PM to Stefan with my concerns and any other member please PM him also.

This type of stuff is confusing at "OU" for example your subject "The Lloyd Tanner Heater..Nearly A Closed Loop"  http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5679.0  this subject was started on October 1, 2008 with 19 reply's and 1,249 views the last reply was on November 10, 2008 basically a dead subject now ..... sorry dude.

But I started a subject almost at the same time at http://www.energeticforum.com/ because I saw your first "Fueless Friction Heater Manufacturer Found" http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5275.0 and was surfing the web trying to find out more information on this concept for heating and saw the same thing as you did it appears "Lloyd Tanners " video ... I posted it somewhere else not knowing your post existed here at "OU" ..... to many news subjects drowned out the science.

What's weird is the "EXACT" same subject "Friction Steam Boiler" you posted I posted days apart , but ...... http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2835-friction-steam-boiler.html has 219 reply's and 12,934 view  :o with prototypes being made photos and drawings available, which is really great stuff.

WTF happened ......... a worthy device with fantastic possibility's including maybe self running supplying steam for heat and power generation being turned into a dead thread here at "OverUnity" and a subject "Are the Israelis serial killers and psychopaths?" has the reply's and views it has  ???  Am I missing something here ???

Regards,
Fuzzy
Title: Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 12, 2009, 11:59:05 PM

I believe there may be another explanation for the varying thread lengths fuzzy...its just that you can discuss those inventions just so far...and unless someone is building, the end of the thread occurs faster that the the thread in question, which can have many twists and turns...ergo translating into a longer thread life.

But, my glass may also be half rosey. :)

Regards...