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Offline fuzzytomcat

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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
« Reply #60 on: January 11, 2009, 08:33:25 PM »
First! Stefan, thank you very very much for your continous efforts and the time you spent to realize this forum!

100% Ack!

What would interest me: Is there currently much abuse? For I don't see any! Or is Stefan always that fast?!?


Hi Shanti,

As a Moderator on several other sites one only has to look at the "Terms of Service" to see what is a violation of the web site policy is..... ie: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5554.0.html
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There are several members "HERE" at this web site that do not understand that the "WORLD" can see what is posted here if one was to log on ..... and there is harassing, defamatory and abusive remarks "EVERYWHERE" something productive members should be mad as hell about !

You get rid of "bad" apples ..... or the worms effect the whole crop !!

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Fuzzy
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« Last Edit: January 11, 2009, 08:59:26 PM by fuzzytomcat »

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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
« Reply #60 on: January 11, 2009, 08:33:25 PM »

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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
« Reply #61 on: January 11, 2009, 09:08:04 PM »
Fuzzy
How many of the greatest men /scientists in history were considered Bad apples[NUTS][during their time]

A slippery slope this moderator stuff

Imagine banning a guy that has the cure for cancer, because you don't like his attitude?

Some of the brightest men that ever lived  were socially weird and quite arrogant [Bad apples??]
Chet

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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2009, 09:34:13 PM »
Fuzzy
How many of the greatest men /scientists in history were considered Bad apples[NUTS][during their time]

A slippery slope this moderator stuff

Imagine banning a guy that has the cure for cancer, because you don't like his attitude?

Some of the brightest men that ever lived  were socially weird and quite arrogant [Bad apples??]
Chet


I agree 100 % Chet !! It's not a easy task at times .... usually I edit out the stuff and PM them about the problem, second time same thing a short ban maybe if needed, if it gets bad it just looks bad and there gone.

The pornographic stuff and drugs short history no exceptions gone.

Fuzzy

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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2009, 09:34:13 PM »
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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2009, 11:56:23 PM »
G'day Fuzzy and all,

I share your concerns. Just lately there have been a number of threads that spread venom across this supposedly technical forum. The amount of antisemitic comments, religious fanaticism and extremist political views have increased beyond all reason.

There should be no place for these things in a forum of this nature. Whilst I am not against free speech there should be some sort of control over those elements that are trying to get a free platform for their extremist views.

Themes such as: " Are the Israelis serial killers and psychopaths?" have no place here and should be discouraged.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
« Reply #64 on: January 12, 2009, 12:10:50 AM »
I agree with Hans.  This is supposed to be a science and energy research site.  I am sure there are plenty of other non-science forums that would welcome those extremist views.

Bill

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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
« Reply #64 on: January 12, 2009, 12:10:50 AM »
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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
« Reply #65 on: January 12, 2009, 12:46:52 AM »

I am also in agreement that racist views like the thread topic " Are the Israelis serial killers and psychopaths?", have no place here.

Having said that, such provocative threads and inflammatory postings can easily be countered and diffused with rational reasoning.

Also there is the intentional baiting and sweeping generalized insults, cryptically directed at specific members...to me that is a far more serious problem.

Regards...


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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
« Reply #66 on: January 12, 2009, 12:58:51 AM »
LOL Cap-Z-ro,

With us "controversial Characters" ad hominem attacks are the order of the day. I am thick skinned enough to cope with that. ;D ;D ;D

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
« Reply #67 on: January 12, 2009, 01:26:43 AM »
Moderation can be a tough job, on both sides. Boards with relatively tight control already exist (I think http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/ is one of them). I think censoring should be done as transparently and automatically as possible. For example (I don't know if this would work though or would be technically feasible), postings that are inappropriate are not edited or deleted but they are moved to a special topic (like a waste basket) that is not accessible by spiders or non-registered users (but should not be restricted to "secret societies" like moderators or "TPU Elite" or some such) and where the (automatically notified) author could revise it within a certain period before it is automatically deleted.

Of course there will need to be rules (in the very simplest case a list with blacklisted words) but sometimes they can become quite complicated (like on http://torrents.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1045) so they probably need to change (by design) every now and then to be kept "simple".

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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
« Reply #68 on: January 12, 2009, 01:47:24 AM »
Moderation can be a tough job, on both sides. Boards with relatively tight control already exist (I think http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/ is one of them). I think censoring should be done as transparently and automatically as possible.

Hi Trino Cularoid,

You got http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/ right on "NO" hanky panky there at all .... on topic little deviation of subjects and with a waiting list 2 month long to get in. The Administration there has zero tolerance the "Terms of Service" are enforced no question.

The SMF forum software has some limitations but moderators can be assigned sections and can only modify their section or area, only a global moderator can do modifications, delete, lock, move a subject or thread anywhere in the forum. A member can receive infractions to a semi or full ban this can also be a user name ban only or a full IP, user name and e-mail ban, depending on if you ever want the member back.

But again ...... It's up to the administration to make the "Term of Service" and relay to the moderators what to do, moderators can get banned also thats why there are administrators.

Regards,
Fuzzy
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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
« Reply #68 on: January 12, 2009, 01:47:24 AM »
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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
« Reply #69 on: January 12, 2009, 02:59:14 AM »
You got http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/ right on "NO" hanky panky there at all ....

I understand their motive ("safe space"). However, if, for example, posts show up about unfair or unclear moderation, and those then also get removed, that could also take away from "safe space" if not done openly.

Possibly the mentioned new karma system will help the board to regulate itself somewhat. We'll see. I think the previous karma test run could mostly be used to steer off the drama (if so desired  ;D). While obviously abused, I think some people also voted for how they thought or felt about the truthfulness or honesty of some users (and not about the correctness or rationality of posting content).

[To continue above paragraph: My assumption would be that somebody who is in error but truthful would sooner or later correct the error and then there will be progress, but somebody who withholds or pretends could easily interfere with others despite the postings appearing to be helpful/correct/rational. Hard to moderate that one by following rules.]

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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
« Reply #70 on: January 12, 2009, 03:33:55 AM »

I wasn't making reference to your escapades on the LT lead out thread. :)

Heck, your long standing connection/relationship with Lawrence a part of OU.com folklore.

Regards...


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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
« Reply #71 on: January 12, 2009, 03:58:05 AM »
@Fuzzy_Tom_Cat

Moderator = Rozzer/Screw.
Moderator motivation: Kontrol.
Moderator mind: Paranoia.
Moderator discourse: Jesuitism.
Moderator agenda: NWO..
Moderator behavior= Konformism.  

Bravo!
Vive l'Anarchie!

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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
« Reply #72 on: January 12, 2009, 04:11:16 AM »
Without order, there is chaos.

Bill

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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
« Reply #73 on: January 12, 2009, 04:25:44 AM »
@Fuzzy_Tom_Cat

Moderator = Rozzer/Screw.
Moderator motivation: Kontrol.
Moderator mind: Paranoia.
Moderator discourse: Jesuitism.
Moderator agenda: NWO..
Moderator behavior= Konformism.  

Bravo!
Vive l'Anarchie!

@ NerzhDishual,

I quite don't know what your talking about ... being a forum moderator is like a referee for a sport, there are rules to play the game not taking sides with creditability and oversight from the officials having the last say or jurisdiction.

A person that is only a forum member "ONLY" can say what ever you can get away with, agendas that are openly seen to others embraced or shunned by forum members if your in to that. Personally I use one screen name on the web and have for eight years "Google" it I don't hide and stand behind what I say, open book ... if anyone connected all the dots they could come right to my front door.

Fuzzy
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Re: Karma system enabled, applaud or smite
« Reply #74 on: January 12, 2009, 04:54:53 AM »
Without order, there is chaos.

Bill
And without chaos in the early universe, there would have been no ascendant order.

If the beginning of the universe had been a chaos free, perfect big bang, then matter would never have condensed into large clumps, as each individual particle would be evenly displaced and accelerating at an even rate, away from all other particles.

Ironic isn't it, that the present universe required a chaotic birth for it to evolve into its current ordered form.
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