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Title: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: rhombus24 on January 06, 2009, 10:43:34 PM
Hey everyone, I'm going to get to the point quickly and I am sorry If I leave you with questions.  First off, I have been researching the TPU for the past 2 years, almost 2 anyway.  All this time I have been using the information provided by you guys to help me along.  I have also done such an extensive amount of research it really is pretty amazing, at least for a kid my age.  I have always had an instinct that all of these FE machines had a simple explanation and that they were all closely, and I mean closely, related.  The theories have changed but I have finally found the truth.  Notice how I didn't say discovered, honestly none of these men ( Steven Marks, Edwin Gray, Moray, Bedini, Bearden, Searl, etc..) discovered the truth,  it really was the genius Nikola Tesla.

Like Marks said all along "It all goes back to Tesla."  Guys almost everyone's theory on this site is OVERLY complicated.  I know most of you know that the answer is simple, but the person that I think is on the best track is Pauldude.  He has it, he really does, actually most of you do, but you take the ideas and overly analyze them and make it so difficult.  Just a quick example: the arguments over whether the input signal is square wave or sine or how about whether the output is AC or DC.  OK albeit these are important, what everyone should be mainly focused and concerned with is HOW it works, its METHOD.

Tesla's the man!  I'm sorry I actually didn't get right to the point but that's because I know all of you would have dismissed my post as a newbie and took it with a grain of salt.  I know how this works, everything fits together, I have no questions, well some, but I truly know the truth.  All of the inventors I previously named created devices that all work off of this theory.

Look I do want to profit off of an invention like this so I will not tell you the exact theory (You guys know it anyway! You just haven't put it together).  I want to ask a very important question that I need to start thinking of, and if any of you think you are close you need to too. 

What is the best way to disclose information before a patent is filed?
Should it even be disclosed before a patent? Probably not since that would disqualify it anyway.
After a patent and after inventors have been gathered...

How can we put it out into the world so that it CANNOT BE SUPPRESSED!!!???

Youtube?
News Release?

And this question truly lies at the heart of the problem, I really don't like posting so please allow me to just lurk and post everyone in a while.  Please don't ask questions that would lead me to disclose the exact theory.  But by all means question my knowledge of the subject!

And my last note is that I am only 18 (just turned) and don't underestimate my knowledge that's why I WANT you to question me.
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on January 06, 2009, 11:40:56 PM
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Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: giantkiller on January 06, 2009, 11:54:02 PM
The dichotomy is that the paradym change will be too expediant and cataclysmic for the commoners and too devastating for the financiers, warharks and the religious right.

Keep your head down and your mouth shut. The exit plan is to leave as quickly as you can without disturbing the status quo. They love their debt ridden complacency and are always willing to exact a payment should you stick your knowledge above the shit level of normality. I, for one, would love to see your acomplishments but not at the risk of safety. Truth does not rule on planet Earth. Sin does.

Join a service of your home county and see the world of havoc.

If you can make the leap in your present situation then by all means pursue.
I am in my 50s and made it my life's work to not go anywhere near the box.
I have succeeded, so it is not possible.

--giantkiller. Your only weapon is creativity and focus is your survival.
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: AhuraMazda on January 07, 2009, 12:12:16 AM
Assuming you have a working system, make a complete information pack, zip it up, prepare an email to addressed to as many people as you like. Make sure you target people and forums based on different countries. Go to an Internet cafe and create a new email account with ne information about yourseld and send your email. Ensure you name your file to something benign looking that no one looks at such as "the true story of sister theresa.zip!". Make your preperations before you execute your plan. All the emails are checked by the big brother but use your imagination.

I look forward to recieve "our holiday pictures.zip" or something similar!


Feel free to PM me if you want more ideas.
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: Grumpy on January 07, 2009, 12:13:02 AM
A vast amount of good information has already been released several times by different people - underground - publicly - privately - discretely - and crypticly.  Most ignore it and the rest argue about it.  It's pretty simple to explain, not so simple to do.  Erfinder was doing a fine job and look how many shots he took on the chin before he left.  Spherics dropped a bomb and promptly departed - wise move.  Tao wrote a wonderful presentation - can anyone even find it now?  TheBuzz is at war with trolls while explaining cavitation, as we speak.  What about all the old-timers - Tesla, Roentgen, Rowland, Wilson, Thomson, and Helmholtz?  What about Grey, Marinov, DePalma, Muller, Adams, Hussain, Harmuth, Hutchison, Hazelton, and people that aren't even remembered?

The Cliff Hazelton device was successfully replicated and produced a hell of a lot of energy - more than anything on this site (except maybe that tetrahedral TPU thing) - and how many have ever even heard of it?  Almost none.  I only know of 3 people currently working to figure it out.

Unless I missed some significant "movement in the force", PaulDude was not even looking in the right direction.  He was stuck in an electromagnetic hell.  God Bless him if he found his way out of it.

If you just have a theory with experimental evidence, just post it all over the place.  I recommend showing the experimental data and leaving it up to people to make up their own minds.  This way, you are not making any claims and if your butt get's hot, you disembowel the data and go cold.  Don't be a martyr.

If you have a theory and no supporting experimental data, then it is just a theory, and even if correct, you are pretty safe as you have not done anything with it and you have not proved it.  If this is the case, again, just post it all over and start working on experiments to give it some credibility.

You can release it in any format you want as long as you do not show a working device.  Show a working device and they have justification to seize it and silence you.  You could try to show a working device anonymously, but they will probably find you anyway.

Don't waste your time with a patent.  They can easily take care of that by declaring it a matter of national security and then you and the patent go silent.

Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: AhuraMazda on January 07, 2009, 12:24:37 AM

GK,
The time is ripe for a change and as allways change brings a host of opportunities.
It only takes one common man to be the catalyst of this change.
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: Goat on January 07, 2009, 12:25:58 AM
@ rhombus24

Think of your safety first!   There are better ways than patents for this type of disruptive technology.  Just by posting what you have could attract the wrong people.

The best option would be to post instructions openly on how to build a small prototype for all your peers to verify as a working model.  If it is small enough and safe enough then the world would already be a better place with your design.

You would be protected as the cat would be out of the bag and would have the safety in numbers (If the device is safe).

You also be known as the guy who cracked the TPU and successfully gave it to the world as opposed to all the others who have tried and failed, including Tesla!

If you setup a donate button on a web page and included the plans I bet you that eventually you would be richer than just selling the patent.

Regards,
Paul





Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2009, 12:42:07 AM
@ rhombus24
In the last 5 posts, you now have a full release of options each one coordinating and complimenting the other. I wish the TPU could have been released in such an expeditous format. But as anyone here can agree it has been released in just the right way. 8)

--giantkiller. Bombs lead to shrapnel. Tread lightly amidst the mines of deception.
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: sparks on January 07, 2009, 12:55:31 AM
    Fuck the patent and fuck making money off it.  Make one.  Move the fuck outta here and find yourself a small village where you and yours can power the village and a waterpump for crops and be rewarded a thousand fold more then any kinda shit the undergods of capitolism can offer you.  A guy had a device to power his home in an emergency that didnt use electricity.  He went away to South America or something.  His wife got upset because she didn't know what it was her husband had in the cellar making this lightbulb run all the time without any batteries.  The word got around and they took it outta here in a stainless steel humvee escorted by 5 black SUV's.  "just incase it was a bomb".  Look at the shit Tesla went through.  He had to file 100's of patents just to get the information to people he wanted to.
That's us folks!  See you'll get 5minutes of glory on a newscast.  Then the sheeple will forget about you because their too busy watching the news about some people in worse shit then they think they are in.  Obama and a million or so jobs aint gonna amount to a row of beans.  Seizing control of the energy companies (partial law enforcement instead of martial law enforcement) and forcing these criminals into investing their fucking spoils into hydrogen generating and distributing systems NOW is what he has to do if he has any balls at all. 
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: Dave45 on January 07, 2009, 01:37:06 AM
spam it thats the only way it will ever get out.
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: rhombus24 on January 07, 2009, 02:42:19 AM
You guys are awesome, these are great replies in such a short amount of time, and I'm surprised I didn't get flamed  ;D.
Ok just to make it clear though, I don't have a working machine yet, in fact I realized how it all works on the plane ride home a couple of days ago (inspiration i guess).  But I am telling you, I know the way they all work, Steven Mark is probably the only inventor, besides Tesla, that put it out clear.  It really does work the way he said it does, just that he misleads with different things.  Also this concept from what I have put together so far, should work with electromagnetics but for sure electrostatics.

I see what you all mean on the patents, I was thinking the same thing.. government seizes it and keeps everyone quiet.
What about if I were to obtain a patent first, with an inconspicuous name, then release somewhat of a news bomb.  Like youtube videos leaving no question of its merit, btw I know most of you are older than me and youtube really is a completely new thing but I know you can see the use in something like that.  I know videos can be removed, but I am talking about a well planned out strategy that is really a ton of different videos shot in different places, posted with different accounts, put on the net at nearly the same time.  I think popularity would grow, especially if the machine is shown powering something incredible, it could be made like a viral video.

Of course that's only a part of disclosure, the other thing that I know is mankind is not ready for this.  All of you know what the implications are and the weapons that could be built.  With the way the world the way it is today, a machine like this may plunge it into extreme chaos.  But then again, isn't that gonna be the U.S. in a year anyway?  It was a huge battle in my head on what to do, for right now I am completely ignoring the consequences, I just want to build this and know it really works.

Like I have already said though, it does work this way every inventor has used the same principles, either its right or they all lied (yeah right :))
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: b0rg13 on January 07, 2009, 02:52:36 AM
im not sure if this will make sense but here goes,

..if you have a device to get people off the grid,make it a requirement that they share it and help ten people they know,it will spreed like wildfire, the power co will respond in putting up the price of power to compensate for a short time and by the time they work out the people are becoming independant it will be to late,there grid will turn to shit and rott.

peace.(and good luck).

ps, dont look for profit here, just look to help everyone you can, youll find it much more rewarding and it will open up many more door for you in life.,...look at some of the folks who have tryed to profit,where are they now?, dead,locked away to rott ect,and probably never heard of or seen again, if no one knows where it started there is no one to point the finger at, and once thousands of people become self sufficient, its going to be hard to suppress and kill and jail them,they loose,we win.

....currently.....we all keep loosing.
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: hansvonlieven on January 07, 2009, 03:00:42 AM
Why do I always smell a rat when someone says "the world is not ready for it"?

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: rhombus24 on January 07, 2009, 03:37:14 AM
@Hans

This is my last post for the night, but look, I really am not lying.  And if you think the world IS ready then you haven't thought about it...

And im not gonna turn this thread into an argument about whether the world is or isn't or whatever.  Its about HOW to get it DISCLOSED.  And I like your ideas Hans so please don't take it in the wrong way, and remember I am not saying I have a working model, however I already started with my van de graff tonight.  What I am saying is that I know how they work, and most of the board members do too (the actual experimenters anyway), they just haven't put it together yet...

@all
Is there anyone that has the knowledge and wouldn't mind posting how other claimed FE inventors went wrong in their disclosure, or at least how they disclosed it.  And also why people like Bearden, that are still alive, have not done more to advertise..
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: mkt3920 on January 07, 2009, 03:43:04 AM
It would seem you are, right now, endangering yourself by your statements.  IP addresses can be traced and at this point in time you are on your own with information that greedy people may not want distributed.  You are a possible "threat" to their greedy world.  At this point you could be silenced, threatened, etc...to stop a possible threat to them.

Sharing now, far and fast, with the help others who can grab info and spread it takes the spotlight off yourself since you have already turned on the spotlight by stating "I know".  Hiding and posting from an internet cafe seems too late.  I would think spreading the theory far and fast would be the way to go at this point.

I don't mean to try and scare you, just my thoughts on the matter.
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: wattsup on January 07, 2009, 02:01:06 PM
@rhombus24

As Grumpy says, the dispatch methods are various and are already covered on the forum if you search them well.

If your idea is super easy to implement and dispatch all over the world and smart people can replicate it very easily, then you should just disclose it as open source. Once it is open source, and if you don't be a smart ass and hold back on a few key items pushing people to say "what the f*&k something is missing here", then you will be free. But if you hold back on some key items when going open source, then you will be in real danger of being asked to shut up by the Badzies before you spill the rest of the beans.

If your idea involves more elaborate machinery that the average smart guy could not even fathom on making himself (ok or herself) then there is a choice. But it won't be a stack of roses and involves the whole business aspect and at least a good 10 years of total devotion. But, you can still go open source and provide your technical assistance to companies that are interested in licensing.

Option number three is make a very convincing dark video with the device working, do a few demos with investors, get paid some mucho big bucks as shut-up money then crawl up in your hole and live happily ever after.

It's all a matter of choice. The easiest one in go open source. Let the world figure out how to pay you back first with your continued freedom to make other devices or better the one you disclosed.

Last point. What we all should realize is whatever we discover does not belong to us. It belongs to the world and the world will take care of how it is implemented. Henry Ford is not responsible for all car deaths and accidents.

But chances are anything any one of us discovers and posts as open source will be quickly absorbed, bettered, and rendered obsolete with even better devices within the first year. So don't take yourself to seriously. You built your ideas on the backs of others, as others will on your back.

Whatever, if you are 18 years old and your post was not just an adolescent's prank, and you have in fact passed a good two years reading these threads (and not posting much), then you can ask @Stefan for the Overunity.com badge marked "exceptional". It's that simple.
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: AhuraMazda on January 07, 2009, 02:31:16 PM

@all
Is there anyone that has the knowledge and wouldn't mind posting how other claimed FE inventors went wrong in their disclosure, or at least how they disclosed it.  And also why people like Bearden, that are still alive, have not done more to advertise..

@rhombus24

There is only one thing that any prospective disclosurer has to overcome and that is his desire of financial gain and  perhaps also fame.
Some of you who thought you had cracked it have had to wrestle with this. I did.
Patent office is the water hole where the blood suckers have laid their trap.

Re: your other comment: I believe the world is not ready because the world does not know. We will overthrow our masters. It is written and they know it.

Wisley make use of the Internet to spread your information as this medium will become completely controlled. For those who do not yet see how much our societies are being monitored, please wake up. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/dec/31/privacy-civil-liberties
We are all in this together Black, white, moslem, jew, rich and poor.





Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: Paul-R on January 07, 2009, 03:01:22 PM
What is the best way to disclose information before a patent is filed?
Disclosing information will result in a subsequent application being disallowed.

If you want to disclose in order to get the information out, and stop someone else from
patenting, then the best way is to take out an initial patent application, and let it
expire.
Paul.
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: Michelinho on January 07, 2009, 03:17:39 PM

@rhombus24,

Wrap your idea in a nice little package, pdf, doc or else and post it on a few forum and let the people evaluate your idea. Respond to valid questions if you can. Don't bother with the trolls that haunt most forums. You probably wont get rich but money will be worth crap soon anyway. You might help a few or a lot survive the coming recession which wont be a joy ride.

Take care and be safe,

Michel

Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2009, 06:03:41 PM
Hi all.
SM stated all this very plainly. He said 'Just go down to radio shack'.
Now at this time in your lives no american can tell me they haven't been there before.
So it is an established male shopping pattern. When I saw the SM videos 2 years ago where do think I went, first off. I already had an idea of the parts in RS that would a simple design idea. I also was the first one to get iron wire to make a physically and electrically programmable core. Plz, I am not bragging. I am just stating this act as a basic function from basic terms mentioned.
And this model still is intact.
You can prove Leedskalnin's test by raiding your mother's sewing basket!
Then go to Coral castle and fill the back end of your pants at the information that emblazened in the stone! It is deeper than you could ever imagine.

So with that said with no higher cooporate or academic influence, post open source completely. Radio shack and Home depot stocks will temporarily soar through the roof. That would be phase 1. Phase 2 would be the #1 device replicated into many. Of course, some of these poor saps would take the heat and then martial law? That is human sociology. Not your problem.
This device is a bomb in all respects. It is we who precariously waiver between the pros and cons.

So then next step is yours. When this device pops up in the public view we who have a past with technology can smile knowing now we can take the next step without further ado.
Quote
From the Master's notes himself:
high self-induction:

This barrier caused the “bunching” effect. Electrostatic charges were literally stopped and held for an instant by line resistance, a barrier which only existed during the brief millisecond interval in which the power switch was closed. The sudden force application against this virtual barrier squeezed charge into a density impossible to obtain with ordinary capacitors. It was the brief application of power, the impact of the charge against the resistance barrier, which brought this abnormal electro-densified condition. This is why the conductive wires in his present experiment often exploded. 
With both the oscillations and alternations eliminated, new and strange effects began making their appearance. These powerful and penetrating phenomena were never observed when working with high frequency alternations.
The effect was definitely related to time, IMPULSE time. Second, Tesla found that it was imperative that the charging process occurred in a single impulse. No reversal of current was permissible, else the effect would not manifest. In this, Tesla made succinct remarks describing the role of capacity in the spark radiative circuit. He found that the effect was powerfully strengthened by placing a capacitor between the disrupter and the dynamo. While providing a tremendous power to the effect, the dielectric of the capacitor also served to protect the dynamo windings.

The effect could also be greatly intensified to new and more powerful levels by raising the voltage, quickening the switch "make-break" rate, and shortening the actual time of switch closure.
When the impulses were short, abrupt, and precise in their successions, Tesla found that the shocking effect could permeate very large volumes of space with apparently no loss of intensity. He also found that the shocking effect penetrated sizable metal shields and most insulators with ease. Developing a means for controlling the number of impulses per second, as well as the intermittent time intervals between each successive impulse, he began discovering a new realm of effects. Each impulse duration gave its own peculiar effects.
Tesla found that impulse duration alone defined the effect of each succinct spectrum. These effects were completely distinctive, endowed with strange additional qualities never purely experienced in Nature. Trains of impulses, each exceeding 0.1 millisecond duration, produced pain and mechanical pressures. In this radiant field, objects visibly vibrated and even moved as the force field drove them along. Thin wires, exposed to sudden bursts of the radiant field, exploded into vapor. Pain and physical movements ceased when impulses of 100 microseconds or less were produced.

With impulses of 1.0 microsecond duration, strong physiological heat was sensed. Further decreases in impulse duration brought spontaneous illuminations capable of filling rooms and vacuum globes with white light. At these impulse frequencies, Tesla was able to stimulate the appearance of effects, which are normally admixed among the electromagnetic energies inherent in sunlight. Shorter impulses produced cool room penetrating breezes, with an accompanying uplift in mood and awareness. There were no limits in this progression toward impulses of diminished duration. None of these impulse energies could be duplicated through the use of high frequency harmonic alternations. Few could reproduce these effects because so few understood the absolute necessity of observing those parameters set by Tesla. These facts have been elucidated by Eric Dollard, who also successfully obtained the strange and distinct effects claimed by Tesla
He had discovered a new induction law, one where radiant shockwaves actually autointensified when encountering segmented objects. (high self-induction)
patent 381,968
--giantkiller. No kidding....
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2009, 07:41:49 PM
Is this the correct Cliff Hazleton information?
http://www.isssr2006.com/TALK_UPLOADS/Frank-Crowne.pdf
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: jacob on March 05, 2009, 01:55:27 AM
Rhombus

The question is very relevant. And so far, you have received many good suggestions. So take time to evaluate each option carefully. But I would suggest that you build a prototype first. You need a proof of concept to begin with, if only to make sure that you are indeed right. This will give you time to come up with a strategy you're comfortable with. And maybe in so doing, you'll realize that as relevant as this question might be,  you don't have to be overly concerned about a disclosure strategy at this time. Because based on your mention of electrostatics, implementation will lead you to realize that you have to go back to the drawing board, so to speak.

My next suggestion will be this: when you do realize that you have to re-evaluate your understanding of the device, if  you then need some help in furthering your knowledge, keep in mind that all energy radiates from God. Therefore, if you want to tap it, simply ask him how to do it. As Jesus said: "ask and you shall receive".

Good luck on your journey.

Jacob
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: giantkiller on March 05, 2009, 03:23:24 AM
As Jesus said: "ask and you shall receive".

Jacob

Do it everyday and your dreams will conquer your reality with joy. Things you could never even imagine will become real.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: ramset on March 05, 2009, 05:39:03 AM
GK   JACOB

Now thats something I needed to hear

Thanx

Chet
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: gsmsslsb on August 12, 2009, 12:38:08 AM
Is this the correct Cliff Hazleton information?
http://www.isssr2006.com/TALK_UPLOADS/Frank-Crowne.pdf


Giant killer
I am fascinated with the cliff hazelton device but I cant find anything at the link above.
Do you have the pdf there.


Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: Grumpy on August 12, 2009, 01:29:53 AM
Is this the correct Cliff Hazleton information?
http://www.isssr2006.com/TALK_UPLOADS/Frank-Crowne.pdf

Jerry Decker was also involved in this replication effort.

As I recall, supposedly, some sort of effect occured when voltage was first applied to the plates while a cap on the power supply was charging.  A load has to be across the output toroid.  This "effect" starts the conversion process and it either occurs or it doesn't based on the capacitors rate of charging.  You changed the capacitance until it works.  Output increased with the resistance of the load.  The device was tempermental and sometimes would not work at all.

In the end, they all abandoned it becuse they could not get it to work.
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: giantkiller on August 12, 2009, 06:06:18 PM
@Grumpy,
Thanks for the post on that. Links go down and I get lost. I have it printed in my 4 foot stack.
There have been other links that just die. Sad, whether it is troubled info or good.
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: EMdevices on August 22, 2009, 04:53:13 AM
What is the best way to disclose?


The best way to disclose is to simply.......DISCLOSE !!!      :D


EM
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: Goat on August 22, 2009, 05:05:53 AM
What is the best way to disclose?


The best way to disclose is to simply.......DISCLOSE !!!      :D


EM

@ EMdevices

Couldn't agree more...

Open publication of said OU device and methods to replicate is always welcome :)  Who knows, it could help save the planet and ourselves !

Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: Cloxxki on August 22, 2009, 10:27:27 AM
May I add, that once you'd video-documented the prototype and how it works, get the prototype into a SAFE country first. One is safer than the other. I wouldn't bring my prototype to the USA, for instance. A FE researcher in another country would receive my request to verify my own findings, and offer additional comments. These should also be disclosed online.
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: innovation_station on August 22, 2009, 04:00:47 PM
the time is comeing fast .... 


and i can garentee you all you will come to the exact same conculsion as i have ...

that it can be done with 1 freq and 1 coil 1 switch ... 

oooooo  just try it once....

i will be makeing some really good videos soon!!!

ist!
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: giantkiller on September 14, 2014, 11:11:40 PM
Ok, everybody wake up:
I was going to produce a document to publish and be my own prairie dog. Now wouldn't that be kinda stupidly suicidal?

SM never mentioned antenna.

Here's my bomb:
Study the parameters of helical antenna design and you get to peer behind the TPU curtain. Pulse cannon.
And then there is this doco:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_circuit#Advantages_and_applications (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_circuit#Advantages_and_applications)
And here is the rotating field:
http://www.eh-antenna.com/EH_HZ.pdf (http://www.eh-antenna.com/EH_HZ.pdf)
And here is a partial TPU schematic:
Page 315 diagram 15-11. PDF page 328
http://www.apparentlyapparel.com/uploads/5/3/5/6/5356442/_____practical_antenna_handbook_fourth_edition_carr.pdf (http://www.apparentlyapparel.com/uploads/5/3/5/6/5356442/_____practical_antenna_handbook_fourth_edition_carr.pdf)

All is well that ends well. Unfortunately the human race doesn't have enough time on this planet to utilize this forbidden technology.
 
 
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: Qwert on September 14, 2014, 11:53:51 PM
Dear Giantkiller. This link produces only 404 error: http://www.eh-antenna.com/EH_HZ.pdf
The remaining both work fine.
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: gyulasun on September 15, 2014, 12:39:23 AM
Hi Qwert,

The archive.org can be our friend  ;)

http://web.archive.org/web/20130823051939/http://eh-antenna.com/EH_HZ.pdf

Gyula
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: CANGAS on September 15, 2014, 11:37:52 AM
@ rhombus24

Think of your safety first!   There are better ways than patents for this type of disruptive technology.  Just by posting what you have could attract the wrong people.

The best option would be to post instructions openly on how to build a small prototype for all your peers to verify as a working model.  If it is small enough and safe enough then the world would already be a better place with your design.

You would be protected as the cat would be out of the bag and would have the safety in numbers (If the device is safe).

You also be known as the guy who cracked the TPU and successfully gave it to the world as opposed to all the others who have tried and failed, including Tesla!

If you setup a donate button on a web page and included the plans I bet you that eventually you would be richer than just selling the patent.

Regards,
Paul


hOW DO YOU SET UP A DONATE BUTTON ON A WEB PAGE?

Thank you very much.


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Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: CANGAS on September 15, 2014, 11:44:07 AM
May I add, that once you'd video-documented the prototype and how it works, get the prototype into a SAFE country first. One is safer than the other. I wouldn't bring my prototype to the USA, for instance. A FE researcher in another country would receive my request to verify my own findings, and offer additional comments. These should also be disclosed online.


Why are you all so cryptic?

What are the SAFE countrys?  Mars?


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Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: conradelektro on September 15, 2014, 11:57:57 AM
@all
Is there anyone that has the knowledge and wouldn't mind posting how other claimed FE inventors went wrong in their disclosure, or at least how they disclosed it.  And also why people like Bearden, that are still alive, have not done more to advertise..

The only right way to disclose something is to really have something to disclose.

All the "inventors" who showed up in this forum in the last ten years and bragged about something to disclose did not have anything useful.

And all the world got was cryptic promises and vague insinuations. You are making a great effort to act in the same way.

The next thing you have to start: how can I disclose without it being stolen by someone? Or, said in a straight forward way, how can I become rich from the  disclosure?

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: forest on September 15, 2014, 12:18:12 PM
The only right way to disclose something is to really have something to disclose.

All the "inventors" who showed up in this forum in the last ten years and bragged about something to disclose did not have anything useful.

And all the world got was cryptic promises and vague insinuations. You are making a great effort to act in the same way.

The next thing you have to start: how can I disclose without it being stolen by someone? Or, said in a straight forward way, how can I become rich from the  disclosure?

Greetings, Conrad


Do you have answers to the last questions ?  :o
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: conradelektro on September 15, 2014, 01:15:20 PM

Do you have answers to the last questions ?  :o

I think I gave the answer:

If you have invented something useful, you can succeed in all ways (become famous, earn some real money, find a beautiful women).

Of course, success is not guaranteed. But if you have nothing (just delusion or human error or fraud), failure is guaranteed.

Is that difficult to understand? So, do the most important thing first (invent something useful) and then worry about the commercial details. There are many ways to do business, but first you must have something to sell.

Some people sell hot air, but I do not like such people and do not want to encourage that.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: Qwert on September 15, 2014, 01:18:08 PM

Do you have answers to the last questions ?  :o
Yes, he has; I've read some of his posts about this subject. Must look probably somewhere about summertime of the past year (2013) of his posts.
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: conradelektro on September 15, 2014, 01:31:49 PM
Yes, he has; I've read some of his posts about this subject. Must look probably somewhere about summertime of the past year (2013) of his posts.

Incredible, someone really read my pots:


http://www.overunity.com/13512/best-way-to-submitt-a-overunity-research-to-public/msg361069/#msg361069 (http://www.overunity.com/13512/best-way-to-submitt-a-overunity-research-to-public/msg361069/#msg361069)

http://www.overunity.com/13512/best-way-to-submitt-a-overunity-research-to-public/msg361109/#msg361109 (http://www.overunity.com/13512/best-way-to-submitt-a-overunity-research-to-public/msg361109/#msg361109)

http://www.overunity.com/13512/best-way-to-submitt-a-overunity-research-to-public/msg361114/#msg361114 (http://www.overunity.com/13512/best-way-to-submitt-a-overunity-research-to-public/msg361114/#msg361114)

http://www.overunity.com/8977/gbluerslayer-exiter/msg352972/#msg352972 (http://www.overunity.com/8977/gbluerslayer-exiter/msg352972/#msg352972)

http://www.overunity.com/13695/companys-that-doing-research-in-magnetic-gravity-in-europe/msg367368/#msg367368 (http://www.overunity.com/13695/companys-that-doing-research-in-magnetic-gravity-in-europe/msg367368/#msg367368)

http://www.overunity.com/12207/quentron-com/msg324294/#msg324294


But it all boils down to: if you have something useful, things will follow. But first, please have something useful. All people who showed up in this forum with a grand invention forgot to have something useful. So, all discussion of "protection" was nonsense in the first place.

I give you an example: it is like planning an elaborate wedding including marriage contract, but having no woman to marry.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: ramset on September 15, 2014, 03:39:09 PM
GiantKiller
Thank you !!


Conrad
Some thoughts along this line .  [thx Matt]


http://docs.defensivepublications.org/defensive-pubs-faqs (http://docs.defensivepublications.org/defensive-pubs-faqs)[/font]




Chet
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: conradelektro on September 15, 2014, 08:04:19 PM
Conrad
Some thoughts along this line .  [thx Matt]

http://docs.defensivepublications.org/defensive-pubs-faqs (http://docs.defensivepublications.org/defensive-pubs-faqs)[/font]

Chet

Yes, you are right.

This was also discussed at the time in:

http://www.overunity.com/13801/home-quantum-energy-generator-on-indiegogo/msg370470/#msg370470 (http://www.overunity.com/13801/home-quantum-energy-generator-on-indiegogo/msg370470/#msg370470) (defensive publication)

http://www.overunity.com/13801/home-quantum-energy-generator-on-indiegogo/msg370562/#msg370562 (validation by patenting is not possible)

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: Majestic81 on January 08, 2015, 09:19:10 AM
The best way is through Underground Manufacturing & The Free Energy Party my friend!

In the attachements i have explanations what I mean by that.

Introduction of the Free Energy Party and one our inventors where are helping, The Unity Generator showing more Overunity on each progressive day!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t4H3MoX8Ww

Our test WITH LOAD on 5th of jan 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W8ymwwdU0s

Transcript of video
---------------------------------------------------------
IN : from mains to AC > DC PSU
2.6A @ 110V
2.3A @ 110V
Total 4.9 Amps @ 110V = 539W
---------------------------------------------------------
Used power PMDC Motor
1.3A @ 39.6V = 51.48 watts
OUT from Generator to Capacitors
7,4A @ 123.5v AC = 913.9W
7,5A @ 123.4v AC = 925.5W
Total = 1839.40W AC
3500% overunity on raw design!
51.48W DC IN to PMDC Motor > 1839.40W PMAC Generator
= 35 x more energy out than in!
-----------------------------------------------------------
Load on the capacitors
1.Tile-saw dryload 120v @ 4.6A = 550W
2.200w lamp
3.100w lamp
4.100W lamp
5.Saw using 115v @ 4A dryload = 460W
Total load from capacitors = 1310W
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: Jimboot on January 08, 2015, 12:33:10 PM
Interesting approach.
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: Jimboot on January 08, 2015, 12:37:19 PM
The best way is through Underground Manufacturing & The Free Energy Party my friend!

In the attachements i have explanations what I mean by that.

Introduction of the Free Energy Party and one our inventors where are helping, The Unity Generator showing more Overunity on each progressive day!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t4H3MoX8Ww (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t4H3MoX8Ww)

Our test WITH LOAD on 5th of jan 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W8ymwwdU0s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W8ymwwdU0s)

Transcript of video
---------------------------------------------------------
IN : from mains to AC > DC PSU
2.6A @ 110V
2.3A @ 110V
Total 4.9 Amps @ 110V = 539W
---------------------------------------------------------
Used power PMDC Motor
1.3A @ 39.6V = 51.48 watts
OUT from Generator to Capacitors
7,4A @ 123.5v AC = 913.9W
7,5A @ 123.4v AC = 925.5W
Total = 1839.40W AC
3500% overunity on raw design!
51.48W DC IN to PMDC Motor > 1839.40W PMAC Generator
= 35 x more energy out than in!
-----------------------------------------------------------
Load on the capacitors
1.Tile-saw dryload 120v @ 4.6A = 550W
2.200w lamp
3.100w lamp
4.100W lamp
5.Saw using 115v @ 4A dryload = 460W
Total load from capacitors = 1310W
Anywhere else where those vids are being discussed?
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: Majestic81 on January 08, 2015, 12:45:54 PM
Jim,

https://www.facebook.com/groups/freeenergyparty/?fref=ts [19.000 members]
https://www.facebook.com/UNITYsystems?fref=ts [here you will find info on all components we bought / inventors page]
http://overunity.com/15380/showcase-of-the-unity-generator-200-overunity-and-climbing/#.VK5tkyvF98E [NEW]
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/showthread.php?t=19939 [NEW]
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: TinselKoala on January 08, 2015, 02:57:00 PM
Imagine.... 35x overunity and these amazing inventors still can't figure out how to self-loop it.

Once again, friends.... I _absolutely guarantee_ that I can show you how to self-loop any device with electrical inputs and outputs that _actually_ makes at least 1.3 times output over input energy.  That's right, all _I_ need is a "COP" of 1.3, or 130 percent OU, 1.3 x OU, in an electrical device to make it run itself.

And any competent electrical engineer or hobbyist could do the same thing.

If you cannot do it .... the conclusions to be drawn are painfully obvious.
Title: Re: Question: What is the best way to disclose?
Post by: Majestic81 on January 08, 2015, 03:28:20 PM
TinselKoala,

In some country's/city's it is safer to start with a power amplification setup for an already installed or to be installed solar or wind setup.

You draw conclusions without knowing this inventor's technological roadmap, while giving guarantees on your own.
We can help you secure those guarantees with our unique platform for bringing technology's like this out to the world.