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Author Topic: Bucking VS Bifilar Coils. A question please.  (Read 21582 times)

Offline NerzhDishual

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Bucking VS Bifilar Coils. A question please.
« on: January 05, 2009, 11:13:08 PM »

Hi witty 'OU' dot com blokes.

I'm referring to: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/bifvsbuk.htm

It sounds like you could 'gain' something with the Bucking Coils.
The 'OFF' triangles surfaces are are much more important than the 'ON' ones.

Rephrasing Naudin:
- "According to L3" (= seen from L3), a Bifilar Coil (L1 + L2), wired as shown on the picture
behaves like an almost mere resistor during the ON and OFF sequences.

- "According to L3", a Bucking coil (L1 & L2) behaves like an almost mere resistor during the 'ON'
sequence but looks like and inductor during the OFF sequence.

My understanding is:
With Bucking coil it seems like you could recover the energy from a compressed spring
that was crushed almost without energy.
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So my question is: what is a Bucking Coil???
How to build a Bucking Coil???


I have wound a lot of coils including bifilar, trifilar, (toroidal or not). But, even after
some research on the Internet I can not figure out surely what Bucking coils could be.

All comments are welcome.
Very Best

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Re: Bucking VS Bifilar Coils. A question please.
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2009, 11:25:05 PM »

Bucking coils are rather like stomping rhythmically on turnips to get the last remaining drops of blood out.


Bucking PM fields are where the action is....


But how to make them buck where and when you want them to?


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Re: Bucking VS Bifilar Coils. A question please.
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2009, 11:31:53 PM »
I like bucking, bucking is good...

Ask me about my bucking voltage regulators...

So the bucking coil has windings that generate opposing magnetic fields.  The North side of one electromagnet is facing the north side of another electromagnet.  Like you have two windings on one core.  One winding generates flux in the opposite direction of the other winding.  I am not sure if this will work good if both windings are on the same bobbin.  Seems like you need 2 bobbins on a single core.

Yeah, you get springy effects which creates the voltage hysteresis on the scope shot...

OK, Mo Later...

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Re: Bucking VS Bifilar Coils. A question please.
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Re: Bucking VS Bifilar Coils. A question please.
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2009, 11:37:00 PM »
2 Bucking coils are 2 single coils that you put face to face
and which repell magnetically.
So the summation of the field is the same Zero as in true bifilar noninductive coils
but each coil has generated its own normal field.

That is an interesting effect, that the BackEMF effect is not canceled in them
as Naudin found out.

The question is, if the BackEMF burst is energywise
bigger than the input energy used to charge up the
2 bucking coils.

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Re: Bucking VS Bifilar Coils. A question please.
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2009, 02:02:07 AM »
Here's an idea...

Add a couple of caps to the circuit to smooth out those high frequency spikes, then tune the signal generator to the resonant frequency of the bucking LC tank circuits and you have a bucking oscillator.

I think I am having too much fun with this...

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Re: Bucking VS Bifilar Coils. A question please.
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Re: Bucking VS Bifilar Coils. A question please.
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2009, 10:31:01 PM »

@HartiBerlin, Z.Monkey & TechStuf

Thanks a lot for your precious hints and comments.

I will try it . More to come.
Very Best

You mean something like that this?



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Re: Bucking VS Bifilar Coils. A question please.
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2009, 10:37:14 PM »
Howdy,

Yeah, that is the basic idea.  Same solenoid, but one is flipped over, or wired in backwards...

OK, Mo Later...

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Re: Bucking VS Bifilar Coils. A question please.
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Re: Bucking VS Bifilar Coils. A question please.
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2009, 11:14:32 PM »
Yes NerzhDishual,
you could try to use just a transformer with a e.g. 2 x 12 Volts secondary windings
and use these for the experiments.
It might happen, that it depends how these 2 coils are wired
side by side or over each other and also the core might play a role
to get the same effects like Naudin got.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Bucking VS Bifilar Coils. A question please.
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2009, 12:45:40 AM »

@HartiBerlin & Z.Monkey: thanks again...

You have been very helpful.
I had absolutely no idea about placing the coils 'flipped over'= in repulsion mode!
Shame on me!   That is the very point!
Actually, an *energized* (=plugged on a battery) coil behaves like a magnet. Does it not?

I had already wired, 2 similar small coils and I will try them on a 'common core'. I will also try this transformer. I also have 2 already wired similar spool : the poor but 'in a rush' man Bucking coil!  ;D.

As a matter of fact, I was mislead with the funny measured impedances of one of  my Bedini's SSG bifilar coils (with core).
My (half backed!) idea was to energize the coils while wired in the "less impedance mode" and to release them after being wired in the "most impedance mode". I'm not so sure to be clear  :P
The idea was to cheat Nature: I give you few energy in to 'feed' these coils and I politely ask you more energy out when they are left alone (released).

But perhaps cheating nature is over my head and not good for my Karma???  :D

Very Best.

For ex.: impedances measurements:

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Re: Bucking VS Bifilar Coils. A question please.
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2009, 01:19:37 AM »

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But perhaps cheating nature is over my head and not good for my Karma???



It is not within man's means to cheat nature.  It is, however, well within his selfish grasp to commandeer it for a short while in order to cheat himself.


This he has accomplished on a sorrowfully grand scale.



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Re: Bucking VS Bifilar Coils. A question please.
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2009, 01:40:02 AM »
But perhaps cheating nature is over my head and not good for my Karma???  :D
Your not cheating!  What is an electric motor?  Its bucking magnetic fields...
If you don't use the energy mechanically, you can recycle it electrically...

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Re: Bucking VS Bifilar Coils. A question please.
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Re: Bucking VS Bifilar Coils. A question please.
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2009, 03:16:57 AM »

@TechStuf:
I was (almost?) kidding about 'cheating nature'.

Quote
"It is not within man's means to cheat nature.  It is, however, well within his
selfish grasp to commandeer it for a short while in order to cheat himself.
This he has accomplished on a sorrowfully grand scale."

Sounds like a Bible statement!
IMHO you definitely are a very good writer (to say the least)...

BTW: are you the very guy whom it is about on:
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/GravityMotors/photos/index.html ???
According your cryptic way of speaking,I could guess so!
If my guess is right. What about your Gravity Motor? Could you tell us more about it?
If not, sorry for confusing.

@Z.Monkey (Yet Another Joseph H.Carter Reader): thanks again for your clues and your support.

Very Best.

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Re: Bucking VS Bifilar Coils. A question please.
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2009, 11:32:52 AM »
Howdy,

I rearranged my bucking oscillator drawing to include the third output coil and a rectifier.  The coils need to be inductively coupled.  For this you could use an EI transformer core, or a toroid core.  I have been playing with iron tube cores lately, which is a possibility, but there is not a closed flux conduit.  Another idea that I have been toying with is making a toroid shaped core out of loops of iron wire.

OK, Mo Later...

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Re: Bucking VS Bifilar Coils. A question please.
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2009, 07:59:58 PM »
@Z.Monkey,

Thank you for your new CCT.

I will try it with as soon as I receive my just ordered serious square, triangle and sinus generator.
I finally decided to order it because I'm fed up with my hand made built 555 gadgets. :P

More to come.
Very Best.

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Re: Bucking VS Bifilar Coils. A question please.
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2011, 07:49:37 AM »
Hi!  I have got some siiliar exp with Rodin Starship coil i have this in osc

 

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