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### Author Topic: Re: TPU, end the game  (Read 16616 times)

#### sergeb

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##### Re: TPU, end the game
« on: January 01, 2009, 08:38:38 AM »
Hi everyone, and happy new year!

New user here I have read this forum for some time and finally I decided to register to join the TPU discussion. I have read some documents describing TPU functionality, and "TPU, end the game" is one of them.

So, let me disagree. Here is the basic explanation from tao:

Quote
Here is a broad and very general overview of how the TPU would look.

http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/endgame/kick1.gif
http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/endgame/kick2.gif

As I can guess, tao refers to "EMF of self inductance"  which is commonly used in some ignition coils to get high voltage from low-voltage power supply. Because EMF of SI can have much greater voltage than original Power Supply. Its voltage is directly proportional to coil's inductance.

The basic formula describing self-inductance is E = L * dI / dt. So when the current grows up, the SI voltage will be opposite to PS voltage as shown on 1st image. And this is correct. Magnetic field being built around the coil and it sucking the energy from Power Supply.

But when the current drops down, the SI voltage will have SIMILAR direction to a PS. So the magnetic field which have been built around the coil, is collapsing and sending spent energy back to the source.

So the "Step 2" description on 2nd figure is wrong. And 60% of descriptions after that fig are also wrong. Current in a collector can not be DC in this way.

Just because original KICK from PS causes HV in one direction, and the next KICK from SI effect causes HV in other direction.

PS - Power Supply
SI - Self Inductance
HV - High Voltage
« Last Edit: January 01, 2009, 03:03:32 PM by sergeb »

#### Doug1

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##### Re: TPU, end the game
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2009, 01:52:39 PM »
Dont become depressed. Patience patience patience, it will all come out in due time. I have been on this trip for 35 years logged more hours then could ever be paid for. Learned enough to keep going on searching for the one thing. Patience ,there is much to contemplate above and beyond the trick itself.

#### sergeb

• Newbie
• Posts: 4
##### Re: TPU, end the game
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2009, 03:12:16 PM »
I dont become depressed I just say that it can work in a different way than described by tao. (btw, is this not joke that it worls? lol)

tao principle are right just before mistake described above. all following described principles are originated from mistake, so I give 99% them to be wrong.

While the topic "TPU, end the game" is sticky and new users read it, they can be mislead from the beginning.

PS. Is there any other variant of TPU working principles? I think I completely understand trick with small coil, pulse PS and lamp wire instead of core. But this mobuis loop with double wire driving me nuts lol. What point in it? Where to read about that? Of course, i will do expirements, but want to understand basic things before.

#### AhuraMazda

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##### Re: TPU, end the game
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2009, 04:22:40 PM »
Is there any other variant of TPU working principles? I think I completely understand trick with small coil...

There are no known working versions of the TPU that anyone knows about.
There are many people who think they know how it works.
Have you joined to add to the confusion?

#### sergeb

• Newbie
• Posts: 4
##### Re: TPU, end the game
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2009, 05:00:37 PM »
The one thing I have joined is the discussion

Even if this "TPU success" is a tale, there is at least one very interesting point - there is no mutual induction in collector and C-coils. And this seems to be true. And this is what really interested me.

Other interesting thing - current induction in collector do not use magnetic field directly as it used in most transformers (that is why no mutual inductance). It uses electrical field to induct the current. Magnetic field around the control coil only interfere and causing collector particles to swirl (according to Lorentz force).

i think how to exploit it. But all public TPU schemes with mobius loop are obscure for me

#### Doug1

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##### Re: TPU, end the game
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2009, 05:01:43 PM »
There are no known working versions of the TPU that anyone knows about.
There are many people who think they know how it works.
Have you joined to add to the confusion?

I would like to correct you."There are no known working versions of the TPU in the public domain or people willing to talk about them" available to ask questions about it. Even that is wrongly stated if SM hyjacked another inventors work from an old patent and simply changed the way it looked. Which by todays standards is a excepted practice ,still that is completely devoid of a morals regardless of how often it is done.

#### sergeb

• Newbie
• Posts: 4
##### Re: TPU, end the game
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2009, 06:22:01 PM »
Hey guys, i have an idea here.

I think there is no need in magnetic field around the collector at all. It just causes particles swirling and parasite Foucault currents in the collector.

Since we need just Back EMF to induct a current in a collector, we dont need the collector being inside a control coils.

I think we need to close the magnetic field into ferrite core to do not allow it to walk around the room. Also ferrite core can gain higher coil inductance - and higher back EMF.

So... I advice to place CCs outside a ring with a core inside. Also conect two conductors to coil's endings and place them where the coils previously were in the ring - so they will rise a potential difference in a collector as it should be.

Many less noise, many less losses expected.

#### gyulasun

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##### Re: TPU, end the game
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2009, 08:06:56 PM »

So... I advice to place CCs outside a ring with a core inside. Also connect two conductors to coil's endings and place them where the coils previously were in the ring - so they will rise a potential difference in a collector as it should be.

Hi,

The CCs on the placed onto a ring core I get it,  but I do not understand your last sentence how you mean to place the two conductors.  Would you sketch it by even your hand in Windows Paint?

thanks,  Gyula

#### Antimon

• Jr. Member
• Posts: 81
##### Re: TPU, end the game
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2009, 08:28:36 PM »
ahm, I think you should read the words from SM first before you invent the TPU a second time.

A.

#### Grumpy

• TPU-Elite
• Hero Member
• Posts: 2247
##### Re: TPU, end the game
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2009, 09:18:41 PM »
Here we go again...

Happy New Year to everyone.

#### Grumpy

• TPU-Elite
• Hero Member
• Posts: 2247
##### Re: TPU, end the game
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2009, 01:51:31 AM »
Grumpy, I offer a "Happy New Year" and a profuse apology.

I was unaware that the reverse concept was already out there.  My Bad.
I assure you, it will never be mentioned by me again, results or not.

Reverse concept?   Anyone can say whatever they want.

#### innovation_station

• Hero Member
• Posts: 5134
##### Re: TPU, end the game
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2009, 06:58:04 AM »
IM GONNA SAY IT 1 MORE TIME ....

i cracked this toy MANY TIMES .....

now call it what it is for the last dam time HEMF

btw THANKS GRUMPY....

get on the same page ALREADY ...   OR IM GONNA LEAVE YOU ALL IN DUST....

ist!!

last chance....

understand the jt then the cam flash unit then the mot ..  then the 369 of teslas then hot and cold power and rythmic interchange....

i could litterly go on for ever but i WONT

#### AhuraMazda

• Hero Member
• Posts: 564
##### Re: TPU, end the game
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2009, 11:37:21 AM »
@IS
What do you gain by just telling people about your achievements and your fantastic discoveries but not showing anything?
As it is said: "you shall recognize them by their fruits".

#### innovation_station

• Hero Member
• Posts: 5134
##### Re: TPU, end the game
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2009, 03:13:07 PM »
let me ask you what have i not showen i have showen all im working with ....

i have given many layouts and provided many ways to achive your goal ...

i got sick of winding coils and went with a transformer

thanks erfinder

ist!

#### Grumpy

• TPU-Elite
• Hero Member
• Posts: 2247
##### Re: TPU, end the game
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2009, 05:10:41 PM »
let me ask you what have i not showen i have showen all im working with ....

i have given many layouts and provided many ways to achive your goal ...

i got sick of winding coils and went with a transformer

thanks erfinder

ist!

What is "HEMF"?