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Title: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 01, 2009, 02:49:22 AM
This is a discussion thread for "Cavitation" and whether it may, or may not, be the underlying mechanism in many, if not all, free energy deivices.

Attached is a document that may harness field cavitation to produce excess energy:
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 01, 2009, 07:53:10 AM
AS I mentioned in the former, and now "locked" topic, compression out-weighs rarefaction - you just compress it and keep it moving from one point to another - like in a circle.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 01, 2009, 04:50:55 PM
  In the torroidal core pulsed by the solenoid.  Would one expect a magnetic wave to circumnavigate the ring.  (more probably two)    The ferrite under the direct influence of the input solenoid transmitting it's magnetic dipole alignment through the ring core at some velocity.  The magnetic dipole moments of the core are then becoming relavent to the surrounding and permeating magnetic field at a frequency determined by the diameter of the core.  Could this wave be influenced to increase in velocity by the ambient magnetic field flow.  All this electronic migration  (1000mph angular 67,000mph linear) relavent to the magnetic field of the sun surely doesn't go unheeded by the electromagnetic force field we find ourselves a part of.  The detachment of the wave energy from the inertial field of the mass allows a relativity to this earth field not afforded by mechanical means. 

    Best to all in 2009!!!
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: wattsup on January 01, 2009, 06:33:40 PM
@Grumpy

Thanks for your doc. It is such a good text book type explanations that leads one in a good progression from simple to more complicated coiling schemes. I will keep it handy.

@TheBuzz

My question is "How do you see this cavitation taking place between a primary and secondary winding of a coil" or, are you mainly referring to physical cavitation like when as a kid in a pool we would cup our hands and hit the water hard making the water spurt upwards. Hmmmm I still do that. lol

I would like to learn more for your ideas on this but specifically relevant to the electrical interchanges that we here are mainly involved in.

@sparks

Glad to see someone else talking about the Earth's speed in orbit since we and all our devices are moving in the same direction. Something that has been a point of personal interest is how the magnetic field reacts on the Earths surface given the orbital speed of the Earth. I made this quick diagram and ask a question. What would you say is the answer? I wonder what such a test would really show when turning at 67,000mph.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 01, 2009, 07:31:29 PM
@wattsup

     I don't want to cloud this new thread so grumpy please excuse this post.
The electromagnetic exchange between the sun and earth I believe is responsible for alot more of how things are around here then gravity.  If it was possible to take the Sun out of the picture entirely alot of folks believe the planets would just take straight off into parts unknown.  Obviously centrepedal force or angular momentum is not considered in these thought experiments.  The second observation is that no planets orbit the poles of the sun.  Obviously there is some type of magnetic play between the planets and the Sun.  Gravity may keep you in the ball park but angular momentum through the Sun's magnetic field seems to be more of a stronger force then gravity.   Unfortunately the Sun's magnetic field is a very unstable one and those frigging sunspots are coming around to emp us again.  What happens with a coronal mass ejection  (and cosmic mass ejections) is a change in the entire magnetic saturation parameters of the planet.  Transformers go over the top etc.  This could be enough to account for geomagnetic pole shifts as the Earth's dynamo responds to the new exciter magnetic fields.  I have a feeling that the MHD properties of a plasma current in a spark gap become relavent to the MHD properties of the spinning ball we sit on.
Tesla loved these currents he called spinning brushes he would develop in vacuum tubes.  Noticing that they would respond to the slightest emwave energy.
Perhaps he made larger ones in helical coils that would  input energy from the mhd currents setup in the spinning glowing plasma ball we call Earth.  Well enough theory and outside to shovel the damn white stuff.  Cold energy galore sitting in the driveway this morning.
    I do like that experiment you have there.  Reminds me of Tesla's brushes but mechanical.

       Modify:

    The reason they spin space craft is not because of overheating it's due to the electrostatic polarization of the skin of the craft.  Tends to short out alot of the electronics aboard if they don't.  Glad mother Earth spins too or we would be getting a hell of alot more lightning strikes around here.  Like ones wrapping 1/2 way round the globe of lets say unbelievable currents.  Venus is getting into serious problems cause it's rotating the wrong way and it's day is getting as long as it's year as she slows down.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 03, 2009, 12:16:04 AM
All

A tremendous amount of info to absorb, has been posted here
Thank you
Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Ren on January 03, 2009, 04:15:49 AM
Saw this and thought of this thread. Perhaps it sparks some interest.

http://www.hydrodynamics.com/technology_review.htm
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: jadaro2600 on January 03, 2009, 08:14:14 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=6209299&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=6209299&page=1)  Sharkskin allows sharks to swim faster!

...just thought that I would point that out, it seems to have a bit to do with cavitation.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 05, 2009, 03:20:39 PM
Lookin' good Buzz.

I never devoted enough time to deciphering Thane's thread, but I think you have it figured out.

So, the HV coil is the center coil and "shorted" - then why is it called a HV coil?

Do you have a diagram of how it all works?  or can you point my to one?
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 05, 2009, 04:00:02 PM
I think I understand how it all works and can come up with something that would work way better and be more simple and cheaper but I'll keep it under my hat until I get it built and proven out. Thane is a Canadian, a lousy poet and hasn't done anything for me lately. I got a three strikes and you are out policy here. :-)

When he posted that his build "just stopped working" - I tried to hint how things can get pattened in the wrong way and no longer work and that this will dissipate naturally (by leaving it alone, preferable outside in the sun by itself) or by using HV and coils to "degauss" it - he just ignored me.  If this is really the case then I suspect that he is invoking something that he doesn't know exists, and that puts this in a new perspective.

In any even, asymetrical fields may be of some use.  ;)
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 05, 2009, 05:40:24 PM
How sweet would that be, proof of theory and concept[course I don't see the fat lady yet]
No grass growing under you feet Buzz!!
   Chet
PS As far as poets at OU, until recently Thane was one of our best!!
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 05, 2009, 07:09:15 PM
Sherlock Holmes is still the best poet - man, that was a good thread.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Dave45 on January 05, 2009, 07:58:49 PM
What gases are formed during cavitation (hydrogen  and oxygen ?) and can these gases be siphoned off.
What if you built an enclosed system with a propeller and siphoned of the gases.

Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 05, 2009, 09:27:04 PM
Dave
I believe you refer to mechanical cavitation

There are several types

User AbbaRue posted

Fusion is only one form of Cavitation.

The transmutation of elements is another, which I understand has been clearly proven.

A third would be Magnetohydrodynamics (MHD) which is behind spark gaps.
end quote.
and I am sure there are others
  Chet PS Grumpy did you put a forwarding address at the end of the last thread ?
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Dave45 on January 05, 2009, 09:54:09 PM
maybe something along these lines
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Bennyboy on January 06, 2009, 06:27:36 AM
@TheBuzz

Very interesting theory, thanks for taking the time to post it.

Regards,
Ben.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Dave45 on January 06, 2009, 01:55:08 PM
with the cavitation collector if the water was given a positive charge and the hydrofoils were negative or viseversa would it help control implosion that happens at the trailing edge of the hydrofoils, also most hydrofoils are designed to reduce cavitation but that would be an easy fix.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 06, 2009, 03:11:58 PM
Buzz,

Attached is a blurb on sonoluminsescence (red-yellow) and electroluminescence (blue) and the colors of light they produce during caviation.

Electrical discharges have also been witnessed in cavitating water.

You get the same with a quenched spark gap.  Very noticable in a amgnetically quenched gap.

Is cavitation a very sudden, repeated, compressive force, often preceeded by a slow rarefaction?

EDIT: added attachements
(second attachement is a description of acoustic caviation, which is very relavant)
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 06, 2009, 04:29:32 PM
    I can't imagine filling my 2000 watt ultrasonic parts cleaner with Mercury.  Maybe a spaceship or two. ;D
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 06, 2009, 05:43:47 PM
Without a mass to atomic energy conversion, it is impossible to go OU since thermodynamics will  apply without mass to atomic energy conversion. Thane already made the OU claim with his toroid. So where did the energy come from that filled up that added capacity? You can't answer that question until you understand my theory.

There is a reason that a small group of professional spooks are working overtime to suppress this cavitation information here and on another web site. Getting me banned, locking a thread, deleting a thread, their motives are as obvious as their pedantic methods. Understanding cavitation is key to understanding how all free energy devices work - no exceptions.

I think I can now answer that question:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4047.msg148396#msg148396
Does the following image correctly explain the cavitation effect as it applies to TH's device?
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 06, 2009, 05:49:53 PM
Sparks
Don"t even think about it!! [well maybe just a little bit ,couldn't hurt]

Ultrasonic cavitation of mercury??[YIKES] STAY AWAY FROM THE LIGHT!!

Grumpy
sweet read
I especially like the acoustic info [still fixated on how Thrapp and his buddies figured out that water heater sphere]
NATURE RUNS WITH GAIN!!

Buzz
You are a great teacher
 I would love to go fishing with you some day [I'm a terrible fisherman ,although I have been paying attention to your lessons]

 Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Kator01 on January 06, 2009, 08:18:46 PM
Hello TheBuzz,

do you know this "matter is made of waves" simulation ?
Someone posted this here, I do not remember when and where.

http://glafreniere.com/matter.htm (http://glafreniere.com/matter.htm)

Regards

Kator01
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Kator01 on January 06, 2009, 08:55:36 PM
Hi all,

please go to the download-section here :

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=0 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=0)

and read the Dixon-Papier on page 15 of the files-section( Texas-Instruments enginneer) in order to understand how eddy-currents behave in HV-Coils and how these currents then develop into "normal current"-distribution in the cross-section of the filaments.

Best Regards

Kator01

PS ; Nice shark-skin-picture here ;

http://bionik.fbsm.hs-bremen.de/downloads/fotos_antifouling/haischuppen_300dpi.jpg (http://bionik.fbsm.hs-bremen.de/downloads/fotos_antifouling/haischuppen_300dpi.jpg)



Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 08, 2009, 05:30:03 PM
TheBuzz (prometheus), why don't you test your cavitation theory by showing the gamma radiation? J.L. Naudin claims the output of his MEG replication was greater than the output by well over 3 times, yet when he tested his MEG for gamma radiation it showed absolutely no gamma radiation.

I don't think any "free energy" machine is produced by cavitation, and they definitely don't produce gamma radiation. This is an easy theory to test, has been tested by J.L.Naudin. You attack people on a personal level who even suggest testing your theory.

PL
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 08, 2009, 05:52:15 PM
TheBuzz (prometheus), why don't you test your cavitation theory by showing the gamma radiation? J.L. Naudin claims the output of his MEG replication was greater than the output by well over 3 times, yet when he tested his MEG for gamma radiation it showed absolutely no gamma radiation.

I don't think any "free energy" machine is produced by cavitation, and they definitely don't produce gamma radiation. This is an easy theory to test, has been tested by J.L.Naudin. You attack people on a personal level who even suggest testing your theory.

PL

Didn't Buzz test his theory with his latest build of Thane's E-coil?  Yep, that was a test and he explained the results with "cavitation".   Someone asked about adding a cap across the HV coil and Thane said he may have tried that and it may have decellerated the disc.  Why would it decellerate?
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 08, 2009, 05:54:15 PM
Didn't Buzz test his theory with his latest build of Thane's E-coil?  Yep, that was a test and he explained the results with "cavitation".   Someone asked about adding a cap across the HV coil and Thane said he may have tried that and it may have decellerated the disc.  Why would it decellerate?
No, TheBuzz did not test his theory. Any nuclear fusion reactions will produce gamma radiation.

As far as explaining results based on an untested theory, anyone can come up numerous ways to explain something, but that is almost pointless until you test your theory.

PL
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 08, 2009, 06:05:20 PM
No, TheBuzz did not test his theory. Any nuclear fusion reactions will produce gamma radiation.

PL

Can you point us all to a detector that can discriminate between true gamma radiation and any other induced charge effect?

Also, transmutation is not fusion.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 08, 2009, 06:13:25 PM
Nuclear transmutation is the conversion of one chemical element or isotope into another, which occurs through nuclear reactions. It can be fusion or fission. Nuclear transmutation produces gamma radiation.

I've provided the links to a $15 Geiger counter in the previous cavitation thread that the Admin of this forum closed, and rightfully so. A Geiger counter uses a Geiger-Müller tube -->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger-Müller_tube

PL
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 08, 2009, 06:23:22 PM
Nuclear transmutation is the conversion of one chemical element or isotope into another, which occurs through nuclear reactions. It can be fusion or fission. Nuclear transmutation produces gamma radiation.

I've provided the links to a $15 Geiger counter in the previous cavitation thread that the Admin of this forum closed, and rightfully so. A Geiger counter uses a Geiger-Müller tube -->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger-Müller_tube

PL

As long as you keep ignoring the fact that a Geiger tube is "indiscriminant" - I have nothing more to say about it and you can stop bringing it up.

If you had followed up on the work of Walter Russell, you would know that the transmutation I refer to in not the brute force nuclear reaction of conventional science.

Then there is this reference:

Quote
The employees of RNC "Kurchatov Institute" Urutskoev, Liksonov and Tsynoev [23] organized experiments on the study of electrical discharge explosions of titanium wire in sealed polyethylene balloons, filled by water.

As a result this experiment, new chemical elements were revealed, which had not been present at the installation.

Amongst these elements produced were Na, Ca, Fe, Ni, Au, Pb.

Electrical discharge explosion of a wire is a form of "cavitation".  ;D
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 08, 2009, 06:30:11 PM
Paul
When the administrator locks a thread ,he always leaves a post with the reason[not so in this case]
As you know anyone that starts a thread can lock it
Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 08, 2009, 06:38:44 PM
As long as you keep ignoring the fact that a Geiger tube is "indiscriminant" - I have nothing more to say about it and you can stop bringing it up.
You'll need to define "indiscriminant," but Geiger counters are not going to pick up any electromagnetic pulses produced by your magnetic cores or the wires in or around such cores. IOW, the Geiger counter does a good job at only picking up gamma and beta radiation, and some models can also detect alpha radiation.



If you had followed up on the work of Walter Russell, you would know that the transmutation I refer to in not the brute force nuclear reaction of conventional science.
So then you admit there would be no gamma radiation.  Can you show any confirmation of nuclear transmutation of any kind without gamma radiation?  BTW, the nuclear work of Walter Russell has not been accepted in conventional physics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Russell



Electrical discharge explosion of a wire is a form of "cavitation".  ;D
You can provide a reference?



PL
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 08, 2009, 06:40:49 PM
Paul
When the administrator locks a thread ,he always leaves a post with the reason[not so in this case]
As you know anyone that starts a thread can lock it
Chet
Can you show where Stefan said this?

I think there was a reason why TheBuzz was banned from this forum.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 08, 2009, 06:52:45 PM
Paul
I have NEVER seen him lock a thread without explaining why, NEVER
I don't know if  it  is written in some rule book ? It would be the act of a competent administrator to explain a locked thread with the last post [which is what I always see him do]
  Chet
PS The entity known as The Buzz was reinstated with honors ,And is doing experiments to verify his unique theory
He has also stated this quest is at a great financial strain to him and his family
He will open source all his findings

QUOTE FROM THE BUZZ
 I have a sincere interest in THE science. We are both on the same side but I do not have a personal interest. TheBuzz is not my name, who I am or for that matter really how I am in real life. The science was created by smart people probably before I was born but suppressed over and over. No aspect of this is personal to me and I want to make that clear.

I can never gain a cent from all the work I have done and more money than I care to reveal invested in figuring this stuff out. I saw what was happening in the world and took the money we had set aside for retirement and invested it into figuring out the one thing that could stop these crazy zionazis and their wars. I have children and grandchildren, that is personal for me and to the degree that any of this matters.

I will have to work for the rest of my life rather than retire because of the money I spent figuring out what makes these devices work. So I have a vested interest in getting something to give others for that sacrifice. Maybe that is why hollow punks piss me off.

Most people are in it for themselves, that isn't me. That is as straight up as I can be  .end quote

Around here thats a GRAND SLAM
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 08, 2009, 07:04:04 PM
I have NEVER seen him lock a thread without explaining why, NEVER
Just out of curiosity. A lot of threads have been locked on this forum without a final post stating who closed it. How do know Stefan hasn't closed some of those threads?


The entity known as The Buzz was reinstated with honors
With honors, you think???
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 08, 2009, 07:24:18 PM
Paul
yes lots get locked[by the people who started them] Stefan NEVER locks a thread without reason And always says so in the last post

The entity known as Buzz left[banned] as a junior member has since been reinstated as an ELITE member with so many stars he can't seem to find them all
   Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 08, 2009, 07:35:52 PM
You'll need to define "indiscriminant," but Geiger counters are not going to pick up any electromagnetic pulses produced by your magnetic cores or the wires in or around such cores. IOW, the Geiger counter does a good job at only picking up gamma and beta radiation, and some models can also detect alpha radiation.

So then you admit there would be no gamma radiation.  Can you show any confirmation of nuclear transmutation of any kind without gamma radiation?  BTW, the nuclear work of Walter Russell has not been accepted in conventional physics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Russell

You can provide a reference?

PL

You are obviously not interested in actually achieving usable anomolous energy by any means.  No reference I can ever show will make you agree, so what is the point?

This reduces you and your banter the rank of "troll".
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 08, 2009, 07:35:58 PM
Paul
yes lots get locked[by the people who started them] Stefan NEVER locks a thread without reason And always says so in the last post
Perhaps you're correct, but you've shown no proof, at all. I was just curious why you make so many statements based on no proof.

Enough said on this IMO. I was just asking for any proof what so ever about thebuzz theory, and found none.

PL
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 08, 2009, 07:55:54 PM
Paul
you seem to have a double standard  ""As far as I know, Stefan doesn't change the stars.'' [A statement with no proof][silly example, but no sillier than yours]
You also seem to have an agenda
 Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: spinner on January 08, 2009, 08:08:54 PM
...
The entity known as Buzz left[banned] as a junior member has since been reinstated as an ELITE member with so many stars he can't seem to find them all
   Chet

Ha, banned as junior member and returned as an "Elite member"...
What Elite? The SaintBuzz Ego club?

Jeez, now we have a karma scoring...
If I say that The Buzz is a Charlatan, cheating audience preaching mostly nonsense, semi-truths and self-delusions as they were the Ultimate Truth ... :o

Hey, Buzzers, hit hard!

Btw, Ramset, it would be nice if at least your boss would "applaud" you... You are sucking up his ass for quite some time now.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: wattsup on January 08, 2009, 08:12:03 PM
@Grumpy

What Paul is saying is his right to debate such a claim. I also have misgivings about the cavitation theory although your last paragraph of your explanation does help in the physical sense. I accept some portions and reject others, especially the use of the word "ALL" is due to cavitation, "ALL" is mass to atomic, and especially the discussion of 2 coulombs at 1 meter, this would have to be laid out clearly as to how you would plan to go about testing this in a manner that others can replicate. A one liners will not cut it. The universe is too vast to make such claims.

Theories are a dime a dozen, you know this, I know this and we all know this. What TheBuzz is proposing is no small claim and actually, this is really not the place to propose it expecting that any real world change might come out of it in the scientific community. This is no small pick'ins. Our own personal work loads are already high and the amount of brain-power, effort and also stamina required to hold your own during such a process is rather high.

Added to the already difficult realities of coming out with a new and unproven theory, now if members cannot openly discuss this without fear of being ridiculed as we know is often the case with how TheBuzz responds to others, then I and others will not have the stomach to entertain any rebuttals. You either want to propose a theory and be open to debate or you keep your theory to yourself and don't cause any waves. Can it be any other way. I think not.

Then there is TheBuzz's honest approach to this subject that must also include an honest realization that he could in fact be proven wrong, maybe not by us but in general academia where this theory really should make its claim.

Or at least make a mark and someday some university smart ass will find it and bring it into more public light. These things take time. TheBuzz cannot expect things to change just by announcing it here in a few somewhat ambiguous lines of text. I would take much more then that. But the first start is to accept both others can object and in fact others may even prove you wrong. Are you open to that possibility - yes or no. Will you treat others respectfully during this process - yes or no. You know the rest.

But, to tell you the truth the world does not have any time to fiddle around with new theories. The fuse is lit and is getting short. Once we can buy more time for the world, we'll have time to mull over new theories. I'm just trying to be a realist cause I like the guy, I think he is smart mixed with smart-ass but his ideas are good.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: PaulLowrance on January 08, 2009, 08:13:24 PM
Paul
you seem to have a double standard  ""As far as I know, Stefan doesn't change the stars.'' [A statement with no proof][silly example, but no sillier than yours]
Isn't the difference obvious? My statements go as --> "As far as I know" and also "Perhaps you're correct,"  but you say --> "Stefan NEVER locks a thread without reason And always says so in the last post"  You even capitalized the word "never."


You also seem to have an agenda
Most people who try to help have agenda. My agenda is develop technology that results in global "free energy."  Such an agenda would also include asking groups for any proof what so ever so as to not waste legitimate research time.

Lets stop this and start seeking truth. I would love to see a real experiment that anyone can perform right now, please, that shows a spark or whatever produces nuclear reactions. If that's not the claim, then where does the energy come from, and show the over unity experiment. I'm a huge believer in "free energy," but so far only see evidence from ambient thermal energy.

PL
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 08, 2009, 08:15:05 PM
Spinner I just gave you a karma kiss [applaud]
Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: spinner on January 08, 2009, 09:02:34 PM
Spinner I just gave you a karma kiss [applaud]
Chet
Well, Chet, that is a surprise... (Although if the applaud is not coming "from your heart", it does not count!  :D)

FYI, i didn't smite you... And I'd like to give you an applaud - some day...


Btw, this karma scoring... Is it good or no? Will it bring some new differentiations (believers/skeptics), a prejudice?
Is it good for the "cause"?
We'll see.
I for one am not here to gain popularity....
Although it wouldn't hurt... ;D
Cheers!
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 08, 2009, 09:25:57 PM

Btw, Ramset, it would be nice if at least your boss would "applaud" you... You are sucking up his ass for quite some time now.


Ramset deserves a raise.  Why don't you put him in for employee of the month?
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 08, 2009, 10:19:21 PM
Never mind a raise!!
just get this bulls eye off my back

I feel like the poster child for bad karma

HEY why's Stefan walking over here with the blindfold? :o
Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 08, 2009, 11:00:57 PM
     Below is another way CAVIFUCKITATION of a magnetic field works.  This knowlege is from an ancient electric motor design book that came out a little after Tesla gave the finger to Edison.  You gotta look at Edison for awhile and tell me this guy didn't have a hard time finding his way home from the slave mills he ran  never mind the ability to invent anything but threats and laboratory fires. 

    The magnetic field is fluidic.    So we can sail things through the magnetic field like a boat.  (This should get some reaction from all the naval personel aboard the overunity tub.)  The diagram below is of a conductor (or hopefully a permanent magnet.  I don't know shit about permanent magnets but I would think you could make one where the flux simulates that of the field around a current carrying conductor seeing as how they makeem with a dc current through the solidifying metals then get the wind blowing in em just before they ship em to packaging)  in a magnetic field flowing from right to left.  (DC permanent magnet motor /   conductor on the armature).  The magnetic vortex spin initiated around the conductor as depicted by the green arrows.  As you can see the pm field is opposed by the conductor flow on top of the conductor which causes a magnetic cavity or cancelling above the conductor.  Below the conductor there is an additive or magnetic pressure increase because of the field alignment with the conductor spinning magnetic field and the field magnetic flow.   This causes the conductor  to be pushed continously into the magnetic low pressure area it creates just ahead of it's travel.   Just like an aerfoil.  Problem on an armature is that the magnetic field it is accelerating through isnt big enough of a wind storm.  It runs out and and everything has to be reversed or tacked over.   Now imagine if the conductor ran in a slot between two rings polarized so that the magnetic wind blew through the entire slot from inside ring to outside ring.  Then your sail wouldn't have to be tacked over.  No commutator no brushes no inefficient shorting of coils and current reversals.  Now if the two rings are anchored to a plate that drives a load and you drive a load with the shaft also things are really going to get wild.  Especially if the field torroidal magnets have little spokes on em and you have em run up close to a bunch of output windings.  Then you wouldnt need to have a permanent magnet rotor constructed cause you would be able send some exciter current through em.  I got a nother picture of the design.  Alot easier to figure out than Teslaneese.   

MOD  @Grumpy

   You will also notice that the electric field developed between the two different magnetic flux fields is in alignment with the direction of conductor travel so there's your lmd doing mechanical work as it is locked in to the conductor mass.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 09, 2009, 12:14:06 AM
  Here is the picture.  It is an end view.

  Red permanent magnet ring.  Black permanent magnet ring.  Both mounted to a disc.  The disc is mounted to a turn table bearing.  This disc assembly then is able to spin independently of the rotor.  The rotor with the conductors in the slot is mechanically arranged so that it is attached to an ouput shaft for mechanical power and mounting of a slip ring to supply current to the rotor conductors.  It is free to spin independently of the spinning stator.  The alternator output pickups are anchored to the real stator and the electrical power taken off of these pickups.
As current is supplied to the rotor1 slot conductors a torque is developed between the two rotors.  Rotor one1 is attached to a motor load like maybe a waterpump to irrigate a desert region into a fertile plain so people can eat.  Rotor two could also be coupled to a mechanical load like a conventional alternator which recycles some ouput for the rotor one conductors and some juice out the wall so people don't have to get black lung burning kerosene inside of cardboard huts to keep from freezing.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 09, 2009, 01:13:17 AM
Sparks
A new word!!
 I always like to increase my vocabulary
Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 09, 2009, 05:30:04 AM
Damn war going on here - wattsup...

Anyone who pushes a device that produce unusable amounts of anomalous energy is "suspicious" and therefore a "troll" until proved otherwise.

If he was a true OU searcher, he would be supporting the devices and theories that he mocks.

Sorry Paul, you've just been made.



@Grumpy

What Paul is saying is his right to debate such a claim. I also have misgivings about the cavitation theory although your last paragraph of your explanation does help in the physical sense. I accept some portions and reject others, especially the use of the word "ALL" is due to cavitation, "ALL" is mass to atomic, and especially the discussion of 2 coulombs at 1 meter, this would have to be laid out clearly as to how you would plan to go about testing this in a manner that others can replicate. A one liners will not cut it. The universe is too vast to make such claims.

Theories are a dime a dozen, you know this, I know this and we all know this. What TheBuzz is proposing is no small claim and actually, this is really not the place to propose it expecting that any real world change might come out of it in the scientific community. This is no small pick'ins. Our own personal work loads are already high and the amount of brain-power, effort and also stamina required to hold your own during such a process is rather high.

Added to the already difficult realities of coming out with a new and unproven theory, now if members cannot openly discuss this without fear of being ridiculed as we know is often the case with how TheBuzz responds to others, then I and others will not have the stomach to entertain any rebuttals. You either want to propose a theory and be open to debate or you keep your theory to yourself and don't cause any waves. Can it be any other way. I think not.

Then there is TheBuzz's honest approach to this subject that must also include an honest realization that he could in fact be proven wrong, maybe not by us but in general academia where this theory really should make its claim.

Or at least make a mark and someday some university smart ass will find it and bring it into more public light. These things take time. TheBuzz cannot expect things to change just by announcing it here in a few somewhat ambiguous lines of text. I would take much more then that. But the first start is to accept both others can object and in fact others may even prove you wrong. Are you open to that possibility - yes or no. Will you treat others respectfully during this process - yes or no. You know the rest.

But, to tell you the truth the world does not have any time to fiddle around with new theories. The fuse is lit and is getting short. Once we can buy more time for the world, we'll have time to mull over new theories. I'm just trying to be a realist cause I like the guy, I think he is smart mixed with smart-ass but his ideas are good.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: spinner on January 10, 2009, 04:03:30 PM
First off, I am glad you are all talking about my theory. Everything begins with the word. Some people want to silence the word and their techniques and methods are obvious.

Your theory? Ah, you mean the "Cavitation OU" debacle ?? Yeah, .... Or, the theory of the many generations of people who were born before you???  Wanna-B...The "Saint" Buzzer.

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I have never known Stephan to close a thread without an explanation. So it would be natural to think that Pirate who started the thread is the one who locked it.
Yes, the original thread was (most probably) closed by a Pirate, one of the more respectfull members........ After your idiotic "claims" and objections ....Hehe....

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If you read the thread from the beginning, he started out with the intent of discrediting the theory. That backfired on him when people posted a slew of OU examples that used cavitation. Eventually, so much information came out the thread was locked.

Yeah, right...

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Paul follows me from thread to thread just like Pirate used to. Paul uses the same attack methods and travels with the same maritime user name group that stalks me from thread to thread. The intent of this group is obvious since they never post positive examples that are everywhere but only use personal attacks and silly things like a silly survey meter to try and suppress this information.

Hey, the maritime users name group? Lol... I'm the "spinner". I'm the one who is enthusiastic with the sailing.... And I say Your idiotic theories are good only for the fish food, therefore?

Does it have anything in common with your (many) previous forum attempts, when you were recognised as an total idiot, a low level format of life...?

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Is there any rule that in a Fe56 to Fe54 transmute the electrons must come off one at a time which would produce Fe55 which is a radioactive isotope? Could the electrons come off in a pair and transmute back and forth between two stable isotopes? So much for his test.
Hey, stripping the free electrons from the molecules is not the transmutation....

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The best advice I can give you is learn to identify the trolls and spooks and reward them with bad Karma. Expose them and shout them down but do not engage them. Use mathematical analysis of when they post, who they post with and so on to notice the pattern and their true intent.

I have 8 years or so of posts saved and the math does not lie, the techniques they use are repetitive and their intent is clear. So at some level, all they really do is validate me in the eyes of anyone smart enough to look at the information and apply that to their experience.

your "intifada", or great call was "widely" obeyed (only by a few idiots)... You are the miserable pearson, and you'll see the results in the very near future.... People in generaly are not as dumb as you "think" they are....
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The trolls basically want to know these things:
1. Do you know how to produce fusion and are you working on that. Let me make it easy for you trolls - NO and I have no interest in learning about it or experimenting with it for obvious reasons.

Naturally, The Buzz's claims are an equivalent to hot air... (He would never promise you to give you something real....)
He don't know (!) how to defend ANY of his claims.... He's a just a wannabe....
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2. If you do have an OU device, is there something they can patent around it to keep t from market.
haha...

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3. Is there something that they can do to invalidate a patent if all that fails through prior disclosure and sue you through the investors that are going to show up at just the right time.
 
4. Your identity so they can add you to their list.
Wanna-B idiot.
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What the spooks and trolls are not going to do and have not done is hold up one single validated example of a free energy device that is not a receiver that does not use cavitation to convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass.
Yes, and you'll show it to anyone in the future....

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In the last 4000 years of recorded history, one man has come forward with a "theory" of how all true free energy devices worked and pointed to example after example - that would be me. So are you surprised that free energy web sites are run by spooks? I have been banned here and other places many times and I wear that as a badge of honor, it only validates my claim.
Yep, the Saint Buzz.... Holly you... Idiot!

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Thane Heins is an example of everything you would never want to do as an inventor. Prior disclosure, 390 pages of BS and people still can't find the information the trolls buried it under because they were able to rough him up and get him to engage them. You have to question someones motives that is acting in such a manner.

Yes, some os us who didn't came here just yesterday,  should know...  You, the little bugger, were claiming the Heinz's success at the beggining..., then saying the Heinz would be nothing without your contribution, then revert to "his thread is a pure bullshit, and he doesn't know what he's doing...." You little fucker.... You are the main contributor to most of his "bullshit pages".....

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Some people are emotional trolls as well. They seek approval and the feeling of control over others and free energy claims are a way to obtain that. They feel unheard, impotent and so they shout and are passive aggressive, project, religious, etc. It is almost like they were pulled out of a mold they are so typical in their actions.
That's you.... The description of the Saint Buzz himself.... In whole of it's greatness....  ;D

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Ignore them all and they will stick out like a big sign that says "I am a suppression troll."

Hartman ban me again? Ha! He might as well put up a homepage that says "I have banned the one person in 4000 years of energy research that explained how all free energy devices work and that is proof I am the business of intel gathering and suppression."

I don't think at this point Hartman is that stupid because the math does not lie and I have been busy gathering the goods on these people for 8 long years.

Poor fucker! in 4000 years, your the supreme shame.... Idiot! Go crawl....

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Now ask yourself why Thane does not want the information (science) that he WILL NEED to defend his patent and prior disclosure claims in court? I don't have have go any further than the pillow next to me at night to talk to a intellectual property / patent attorney. Thane's future is most likely a sad one.

Thane is simply sick of your "goods". You're a very delusional pearson. You're sick. A Saint with the mistake....

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I own stock in a company that could make Paul's silly diode chips. A relative sits on the board, is a major stock holder and also their international patent attorney. They have a lab in Taiwan and hold the world record for multi-layer high density semiconductors. I could have the chips made with a phone call. Why don't I? Because Paul's device is not a free energy device and Paul's agenda is to get you doing busy work with tiny amounts of power that have no usable value. It is one of their favorite tricks but Paul's game failed because he forgot to include the LED's that idiots are so attracted to like bugs to a light bulb.

You're just delusional..... If you'd pick a telephone, You would be "captured" by the man in white..... Sorry.

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Paul and the maritime user name group stalk me from thread to thread trying to get me banned just like pirate has for 8 years. Is it pirate under another username or just another member of the J-team? Who knows, who cares. Ignore them or you are helping them bury the most salient information ever posted regarding how free energy devices work.
Nobody is actually stalking you....  And you are the one who called the Admin for most of the bannings....


It will be interesting when admin analyses all the "smites"...

Only then we'll see how productive your low life ever was....

Idiot.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 10, 2009, 04:35:09 PM
     @Spinner

    You being a sailor and all knows how a sail works.  Low pressure along the fast moving side of the sail and high pressure on the windward.   Sail falls into it's own vacuum.  Please look at the below motor and see if a conductor could fall into it's own produced low magnetic pressure zone.   I like sailboats too.  Great free energy devices. Flame throwing contests on this forum not so much.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 10, 2009, 05:01:22 PM
Coanda helped develop a torpedo that accelerated itself - pretty slick.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 10, 2009, 05:14:41 PM
Coanda helped develop a torpedo that accelerated itself - pretty slick.

    I think them there ufo's taint nottin but skootin around in a bubble.   Just like cousin jed who when he tokes up his wacky tabacky blows a smoke ring at granny.  Fucks her up fer days.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: spinner on January 10, 2009, 05:39:22 PM
Spinner - Stop using vulgar language in this thread and take your trolling activity elsewhere.
What vulgar language? I don't even know how to speak vulgar....  ;)

What trolling activity? From my point of view, you're THE Troll...
As long as you will not provide a decent proof....

OK? Fair?
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 10, 2009, 06:01:24 PM
Spinner
Stefan has put in this Nice/ Not nice feature so we stop fighting like kindergarten
NO MORE FIGHTING
Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 10, 2009, 07:58:26 PM
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My fears come alive
In this place where I once died
Demons dreaming
Knowing i...i just needed to realign
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 10, 2009, 07:59:44 PM
    I think them there ufo's taint nottin but skootin around in a bubble.   Just like cousin jed who when he tokes up his wacky tabacky blows a smoke ring at granny.  Fucks her up fer days.

I respectfully salute you.

EDIT:

British intel is here too.  Wonder if that will nul anything, probably not.

It's like the Adams Family around here.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 11, 2009, 12:02:17 AM
All
lets talk

How can we test this cavitation?

The way I understand this is, compress ,Shock ,smack,perturb,the environment Very quickly

so as to make an imbalance [unnatural condition][change the way things are]

Then there is an opportunity presented bye nature[pumping in energy] restoring order that opens a window?

Cavitation opens the window, ENORMOUS ENERGY IS AVAILABLE

 How do we control this window of opportunity and keep it open?

how can we test this cavitation?
  Chet
STEFAN NO MORE KARMA ? HALLELUJAH!!
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 11, 2009, 01:08:14 AM
All
lets talk

How can we test this cavitation?

The way I understand this is, compress ,Shock ,smack,perturb,the environment Very quickly

so as to make an imbalance [unnatural condition][change the way things are]

Then there is an opportunity presented bye nature[pumping in energy] restoring order that opens a window?

Cavitation opens the window, ENORMOUS ENERGY IS AVAILABLE

How do we control this window of opportunity and keep it open?

how can we test this cavitation?


first you need to determine the medium you want to work with.




Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 11, 2009, 03:15:38 AM
 cant seem to get this out of my head...

those Pistol Shrimp (snaping shrimp)...
they cause cavitation, using microwatts of power.
scientists can detach a claw, and electricaly stimulate them to open and snap shut.

creating infinite enregy for a finite period of time.

and thats not even considering the energy levels in the SOUND created when the cavitation collapses!!!
im not even going to get into the theory of thermodynamics when applied to this situation..

BUT... what i cant stop thinking of, is making a gigantic mechanical "claw" replica, using springs.
i have looked, but cannot find anything about someone trying to replicate the shrimp mechanically...

if we can create our own cavitation, by flipping a "trigger"... what then?
  4-piston cavitation motor operating on a cam-shaft from a small DC motor??

how many tiny 5000-degree C cavitation bubbles would it take to heat 1 gallon of water 100 degrees??
would it be possible to also attach a sound-reciever to convert the sonic disruption into electricity?

i'll start with the mechanical claw.  i feel like i HAVE to build it,. just to know if its possible...



Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 11, 2009, 05:29:23 AM
Agreed. Once the mass is determined, then the method of cavitation determined and most likely it will involve an isotropic form.

Thane's toroid is a good example. One side is used to reflect and the other side is to absorb with the primary in the middle. So we have a 3D space to create the cavitation (cavity) within.



toroid embodies all three

write that down stupid trolls - it is omega - the beginning

They seek the info not to suppress but to "benefit" but are disparate, can't exactly nuke your neighbor, but you can if you use the "other way"...

Dance assholes, or walk.

Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 11, 2009, 04:31:23 PM
Smokey @all
The bug still does it for me too  http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc
There is just something about searching for OU, being told bye every science its blasphemy
And this little guy does it for a living. You can watch him do it anytime he wants at the snap of a claw ,
HE ?SHE?IT? brings down the FIRE  5000c Overunity any time you want it already here
Should be our mascot, Firebug ,Thunderclaws
 Chet
PS BUZZ
I believe you said the PAPP engine had a safety issue [by product?]
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 11, 2009, 05:23:39 PM
Behold! The giant mechanical shrimp.
http://www.rohnermachine.com/ (http://www.rohnermachine.com/)

The claw is a coil and spark gap, the medium being cavitated is a gas. Now you can get some rest.


hmm,.. familiar story.  product invented 25 yrs ago,.. went from theory, to production, to testing...
nothing ever happened with it.
inventor dies...
and they go back to the design/experimentation stage.... 
what i want to make is a mechanical device, (possibly like the firing mechanism on a handgun?)
        manually operated, that "snaps the claw" at my will.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 11, 2009, 05:25:27 PM
      I think everyone should understand the velocities involved with collapse or implosion of the bubble.  I think this is the scheme they used as a result of the manhatten project.   The pressure waves as a result of the explosives surrounding the dirty mass caused cavitation to occur and the vacuum bubbles collapsing caused particle acceleration and neuclear fission.  The energy involved with the neuclear enrichment of Uranium to Plutoniom is released in a very time compressed event and boom.  But Buzz has a different deal going on.  While the bubble is sitting there at some very small fraction of atmospheric pressure chemical reactions like boiling and oxyredux reactions occur.  If this is an endothermic process it draws energy from the ambient field.  Then this low pressure steam is subjected to a compressive field accelerating it to velocities approaching the speed of light.  Ionization of the water atoms is the first order of business.  Followed by a complex mix of photon exchange between the now accelerating mass of the neuclei.  Neuclei smashing into each other at near light speed that is being bombarded with xrays is going to result in conversion of mass to energy.  The heat gain of an ultrasonic process is minimal and normally negligible as it is absorbed by the bulk of the fluid but that is not to say that the emwaves emitted by the conversion can not be harnessed more efficiently especially if the magnetic current is in phase with the dielectric current.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 11, 2009, 06:48:17 PM
Smokey
funny I was thinking gun also[powerful air guns[can put a nail through 1inch steel]
you seem to know a lot more about the study of the pistol shrimp can you post some links?

It would be interesting to know if they have any velocities ,pressure calculations to work with as a base line
Just to see what forces it takes to do what Sparks is describing [what the shrimp is actually doing]

And since the Buzz pointed out the plasma burst the little guy makes is Mass in transition[I LOVE THAT}
How cool would it be to mechanically replicate this in water!!
Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 11, 2009, 07:31:33 PM
 @Ramset

    The problem and it's huge is that the power structure of the Earth has known of this technology for eons.  The Earth exploiters have suppressed this technology while they have turned the planet into a total mess.  Plasma engines fueled by almost any scource of emwaves including infrared doable,  low temperature fusion doable,  solar wind thermal on and on can syntheisize hydrogen fuels which become a direct replacement for exploited and unnatural fossil fuel energy conversion.  It may be too late.  The people have to demand reparations from the people who have been killing the Earth since some douche bag figured out how to make a steam kettle turn a wheel.  The locomotive turned into the truck that turned into the passenger car.  Energy technologies always controlled by the same group of greedy ruthless self-serving criminals.  Time to start a court and sue these cocksuckers and grab up all they got.  Their negligence makes Hitler look like a salvation army worker.  They have known since at least the 60's that we would be in the shit we are in now.  THEY ARE GUILTY OF GROSS NEGLIGENCE resulting in death. The neglect of investing in synthetic fuel storage and distribution systems is criminal.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 12, 2009, 06:57:10 PM
Sparks
No doubt you are right, suppression maintains status quo

This crisis we find our planet in ,is probably the first time that we as a population are cognizant we can hurt our mother Earth

I also get the feeling these times of hardship and wars[to maintain status quo] will bring out hidden techs
to start correcting this mess
 
I am always intrigued by the history of the Hubbard coil,How the inventor was given the device by what he perceived as an angel

That was almost 100 years ago
.Zooming around a lake developing THIRTYFIVE HORSEPOWER with a coil design GIVEN to him
 By someone I would love to meet

Gentlemen the ball has been rolling for at least a hundred years [this time]
LETS GIVE IT A KICK

Seems this is the way things are supposed to be [an enlightenment to humanity]

AbbaRue
where are you [and your tubes]

I feel like cavitating something!!
Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 12, 2009, 07:43:43 PM
i was reading some writing, from tesla, and a few from Otis Carr.

they were under the impression that a form of (scalar waves)
can be propegated through the earths atmosphere.

from what i gathered, this is as simple as pulsing a coil with 6-8 Hz (earth's natural frequency), and recieving the feedback from the ionosphere on a secondary coil.

a steady frequency, will result in constructive interference, aplifying the 8hz signal to ungodly amplitudes.
1 obvous problem that was noted was TOO much power. destroying their equipment, and causing harm to people in the area. not to mention several 'odd' phenomina occuring in towers, and power plants nearby.

one way to prevent this would be to change the phase of the signal 180-degrees, at a given time interval, to bring the amplitude back down to a managable level.

the infamous "tesla coil', is one such device, that when tuned to 8hz, can produce this effect.

Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 13, 2009, 12:42:34 AM
WE need to establish the medium we will work in
THEN THE BUZZ SAID

Agreed. Once the mass is determined, then the method of cavitation determined and most likely it will involve an isotropic form.

Thane's toroid is a good example. One side is used to reflect and the other side is to absorb with the primary in the middle. So we have a 3D space to create the cavitation (cavity) within.

THEN GRUMPY SAID

toroid embodies all three 

@ Grumpy
 For the idiots guide to cavitation[for my benefit]
could you explain a little about the toroid and all three
Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 13, 2009, 01:19:59 AM
WE need to establish the medium we will work in
THEN THE BUZZ SAID

Agreed. Once the mass is determined, then the method of cavitation determined and most likely it will involve an isotropic form.

Thane's toroid is a good example. One side is used to reflect and the other side is to absorb with the primary in the middle. So we have a 3D space to create the cavitation (cavity) within.

THEN GRUMPY SAID

toroid embodies all three 

@ Grumpy
 For the idiots guide to cavitation[for my benefit]
could you explain a little about the toroid and all three
Chet

The toroidal shape embodies the three fields that comprise 3 of the 12 parameters that define the universe.

The three fields are: Tempic, electric, magnetic

There are at right angles to each other at 90 degrees.

Tempic is one dimensional, like "scalar", like temperature.  I consider it density.  It falls off with distance.

Electric is two dimensional and is the divergence (to a point) of the tempic field.  (Gravity is a particular form of divergence of the tempic field, so yes it is an electric phenomenon.)  It falls off with distance squared.

Magnetic is three dimensional and is the curl of the tempic field (closed ring). It falls off with distance cubed.

This is all based on the work of Wilbert Smith in his book "The New Science".  If you believe we are the sole form of intelligent life in the universe, then don't bother reading it.  Smith died before he finished it.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 13, 2009, 01:59:49 PM
Grumpy
thank you for that responce
I sincerely appreciate that info

Buzz
Odd how you were just reading something directly related to Grumpy's post

I personally don't think I can put into words how I feel about the work you are doing [and your personal sacrafice]
   
      Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 13, 2009, 02:55:01 PM
Grumpy,

Interesting post. I just got done scanning through some Smith stuff I found here:

http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci.htm)

Smith and I could have hung. One of the first quotes that popped out at me is "The Universe contains no anomalies, and the appearance of an anomaly is warning that our understanding is inadequate."

He nailed that one. This is why I say things like "plasma is not a state of matter, it is matter in a state of change" and... If a law of physics has an exception, it is not a law, just a handy rule.

And law of physics that does not include a quantum component like (E=MC2) is just a rule. This is why the law of force can be violated (F=MA) Where is the time squared. The law itself is just a label for future use in a math equation, math equations designed dovetail into the descriptions of apples falling from trees, steam and fire.

These false law of physics were never updated when new information came along for a variety of reasons. One of which is you don't change science, you just wait for the dinosaurs to die and create a new breed of scientist. That new breed is growing up now in an era of thousands of cold fusion replications that can not be denied.
Yes, several physics laws have been corrected, expanded, or clarified.  For example the infamous "conservation of charge" does not apply to currents that do not have a "net charge", such as polarization currents, displacement currents, and magnetic currents.  Also, when using impulses, "conservation of energy" does not apply.  This changes the playing field considerably.


Another example would be Planks constant - "The speed of light in a vacuum is constant." It has always been assumed that space is a vacuum, only problem is that that vacuum is filled with charged quadrapoles such as out Sun. When light passes near a charged quadrapole, it slows down considerably. The result is the size of the universe once claimed just got a lot smaller.

Cosmologists would make that information public but imagine the paperwork that would result. Students that cling to the willful ignorance of their belief based education would begin to ask question and think. Couldn't have have now could we? Some of them might begin ask questions like "Is a free energy device possible?"

I too have a few experiences up close with antigravity scapecraft as close as 50 feet away and information exchanges between myself and they and have physical evidence of that. Not ever going to go into details but it is fair to say that shaped some of my thoughts regarding religion and science.

Our astro-nots got one hell of a surprise when they went to the moon.  It is small, and there is spacial aberation making men standing on the moon appear huge to the man in the space capsule above them - pretty wierd.  Then there were the structures on the dark side, and they switched to code talk.

Alternative energy devices are very possible and more than one approach will get you there.  You can take the Wilbert
Smith approach and manipulate the tempic field, or you can describe all of it as patterns in the aether, or twist the hell out of Maxwell's work, or you can approach it via cavitation which is easier to understand.  How or why can be figured out after it works.

The iron core is safe to play with since all your are going to do if you go OU is destroy a power supply or any electronics used in the device. The mechanical aspect of the motor produces a time lag for things to get controlled by you or fly apart if you go OU and this is also good.

This is why I like Thanes generator but wouldn't give you two cents for the inventor. I have been working on this lately and trust me, there is a lot of room for improvement if the cavitation information is applied.

I see he is now talking about producing data points and using smaller wire to predict better methods rather than winding another 1000 coils all the while bad mouthing me and posting senseless information about a thyristor.(like I don't know what it is or what it does.) That being said, I do wish him good luck, with his development methods, he depends on it.
The non-linear gain that I noted in my first coil should have been a blinking light to anyone interested in that device. Resonance is going to be one key aspect to high efficiency and there will be others such as coil winding methods - working on that now.

You could shape the HV coil like a cone and change the action of the spring.

=====================================================================================
Man made?

Not likely.


Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: mscoffman on January 13, 2009, 06:10:38 PM

An Interesting Cavitation show-and-tell from a fluid valve manufacturer;

http://www.emersonprocess.com/fisher/products/severeservice/product_solutions/cavitation_demo/

---

Cavitation and Fusion Energy
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StringhamRcavitationb.pdf

http://sonofusionjets.com/


:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Frederic2k1 on January 14, 2009, 12:36:02 PM
@ TheBuzz and all the other

I have a (for me) very important question. So when I understand the process of cavitation correct, we are only "destroying" matter to convert it into energy? Is that right ? So when we start the process of cavitation in a body, we can notice a loss in weight of this body ?

Sorry, I'm from Germany and my english is only based on bad school english...

Please, can you explain this sentence for me a bit more:
Quote
every verified free energy device used cavitation to convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass

What do you mean with "contained within the mass" ... ?

Thank you
kind regards
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: wings on January 14, 2009, 02:07:29 PM
An Interesting Cavitation show-and-tell from a fluid valve manufacturer;

http://www.emersonprocess.com/fisher/products/severeservice/product_solutions/cavitation_demo/

---

Cavitation and Fusion Energy
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StringhamRcavitationb.pdf

http://sonofusionjets.com/


:S:MarkSCoffman

see also this:

PINCHED CAVITATION JETS AND FUSION EVENTS

http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StringhamRpinchedcav.pdf

Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 14, 2009, 02:15:41 PM
Fred

Your Statement

So when I understand the process of cavitation correct, we are only "destroying" matter to convert it into energy

I know the Buzz is busy
 
Your word destroy is not a good one for this process

Cavitation creates' Change,' only during the process

Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Frederic2k1 on January 14, 2009, 02:21:55 PM
Fred

Your Statement

So when I understand the process of cavitation correct, we are only "destroying" matter to convert it into energy

I know the Buzz is busy
 
Your word destroy is not a good one for this process

Cavitation creates' Change,' only during the process

Chet


So will we see a decrease in weight of this body ?
When you say that it will only creates ' Change during the process ' will the created energy again recombine to matter ?

Thank you for your reply !
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 14, 2009, 10:45:16 PM
Buzz
 Can you post a link to the locked thread please[ The one you started I can't find it]
Thank you
 Chet
PS Fred 21
Any comments I make  would not be relevant to the theory [I would just be talking out of my ass]
Hopefully Buzz will have the time to post the link
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 14, 2009, 11:44:50 PM
Quote
every verified free energy device used cavitation to convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass

First, what is "mass"?

Second, what is energy?

I ask, because the way conventional physicist answer these two questions leads to a confusing end.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 15, 2009, 12:55:47 AM
I see, Grumpy answered my question. Is that TheBuzz nick used by Grumpy? Or what?

No.  Buzz and I are physically different people.

I took the liberty of responding because Buzz had already stated that information was exchanged between himself and the craft from a distance of 50 feet.  There was no mention of an instrumental means of communication and it is widely rumored that other beings are "telepathic".  If you assume that Buzz is not telepathic, then perhaps the exchanged information audibly.  It doesn;t really matter though.

If the craft were piloted by humans, what need or desire would there be to exchange information?

Why a craft at all? - humans could just walk up and talk to Buzz directly.

Maybe he is just bullshitting us.  That is what everyone probably thinks anyway. 
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 15, 2009, 04:12:20 AM
       In transverse electrical wave theory there is said to be a flow of electrical current that produces a magnetic current and the phase displacement between these two determines the frequency.  This wave travel is limited to the speed of light.  This then infers that the dielectric current and magnetic current must be able to flow at superluminal speeds.  Perhaps gravity is a dielectric current between polarized space.  The poles are created by how much fixed energy manifests in this space.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 15, 2009, 03:03:28 PM
Also Grumpy - I am not bullshitting anyone about anything regarding flying disks. I took people to the landing site for ten years afterward and you could plainly see how the plants twisted individually, how they grew is a swirl, the three landing pod marks and the dirt would float if you threw it in water near by since it was baked or something and would not absorb water.

I didn't see or talk to any ET's but have a rather profound psychic ability. Just last week I told my wife that my favorite uncle was going to die. I got the phone call the next day telling me that he had died the day before. I didn't even know he was ill. Not going to go into it as I stated but I don't have a credibility problem in regards to the psychic ability or anywhere else for that matter. What you see is what you get.

The only reason that I brought up the spacecraft was it shows what separating two coulombs of energy into that 100 tons of force is capable of.

Keep posting those cavitation examples and if you know of a free energy device without cavitation PLEASE post that - nobody has yet.

I was being sarcastic towards the trolls about bullshitting with the ET stuff.  I have no reason to doubt.  Abilities explains a lot.

Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 15, 2009, 04:25:25 PM
    @Buzz



     Shit ya on the capacitor press.  Put a piezo electric layer in there and squeeze it good.   Or fly around like a piece of dust in an air purifier.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 15, 2009, 04:33:58 PM
 Chet does'nt like jumping around when he studies  Sorry   
      [and I erased all my pm's to give back the bandwidth]       
                         
                       THE BUZZ INFO
CAVITATION - What all all free energy devices have in common
« on: December 18, 2008, 01:59:16 PM »
   
It would begin with the assumption that the universe is comprised of energy. If I had to make a guess, I suspect that half the energy in the universe is in the form of mass and half is in the form of space. Mass is energy that is compressed, spinning and polarized.

Explaining how energy is compressed into matter is probably best done by taking a field trip to the website of Milo Wolf http://quantummatter.com/articles/see_an_electron.html

and looking at a image of the galaxy we live in.

http://www2.lns.mit.edu/~LQS/Milky_Way_galaxy_sun05.jpg

Our universe is made of fractals and surely the reason that if you expand Mandelbrot's equation out to the size of the universe, you begin to see images of snow covered mountains, trees and other things we see everyday. If you truly want to know the shape of the universe, look in a mirror. Edgar Cayce and the law of probability should be required reading for anyone wanting a better understanding of the cosmos.

Free energy:
The term free energy creates a reaction with an educated person since it implies energy from nothing. This of course is impossible and silly and so the reaction is justified.

A better term would be "economic free energy". Since a gallon of water contains the atomic energy equivalent, equal to the chemical equivalent of millions of barrels of oil, the gallon of water would represent economic free energy.

The best term would be mass to atomic energy converter. Since all free energy devices do just that. Energy does not come from nothing - no exceptions.
 
Zero Point:
Notice nowhere in that simple equation E=MC2 is there anything that represents aether or zero point? I am going to stick with my own experience and some of the best scientific minds on Earth. Of course there is a zero point and of course there is less than a zero point. It would be impossible to have a black hole without less than zero and so everything in between exists as well. It has nothing to to do with free energy.

Aether:
The aether field was measured and observed by Dayton Miller using light-beam interferometry in the early part of the 1900s to measure an Earth-entrained aether drift.

Many scientist assumed and wrote of the existence of the aether field which included Crookes, Lodge, Faraday, Michelson, Moorley, Miller, Tesla, Reich and even Einstein.

Einstein later denied the aether field and this is confirmed in a letter he wrote to Shankland thanking him for disproving Miller. In the letter Einstein acknowledged that the existence of the aether would invalidate special relativity.


"Dear Dr. Shankland:
I thank you very much for sending me your careful study about the Miller experiments. Those experiments, conducted with so much care, merit, of course, a very careful statistical investigation. This is more so as the existence of a not trivial positive effect would affect very deeply the fundament of theoretical physics as it is presently accepted.

You have shown convincingly that the observed effect is outside the range of accidental deviations and must, therefore, have a systematic cause. You made it quite probable that this systematic cause has nothing to do with 'ether-wind', but has to do with differences of temperature of the air traversed by the two light bundles which produced the bands of interference. Such an effect is indeed practically inevitable if the walls of the laboratory room have a not negligible difference in temperature.
It is one of the cases where the systematic errors are increasing quickly with the dimension of the apparatus.

Congratulating you and your colleagues on your valuable contribution to our knowledge,

I am with kind regards,
A. Einstein"

(31 August 1954)
(contained in Shankland, Applied Optics 1973, p.2283)

Dayton Miller did 10,000 hours of observation of the aether on a mountain near Ashland Oregon. His observations concluded the field moves at 24.5 kilometers per hour across the planet, concentrated between -100 meters below the surface and +300 meters above the surface and departs the planet in the direction of the constellation Leo. It tends to flow around objects like mountains but also flows through them to some extent.

My own thoughts on this are that given the fact that aether has been proven to come from space and return to space reveal that it is sourced by a larger body such as the solar system or the Milky Way Galaxy or perhaps any large body of mass. Daton Miller's experiments indicated that there was an aether drift that also flowed from the Sun.

No boat plies the water as fast as the wind that blows upon the square sail. The aether drift therefor is moving 24.5 kilometers per hour faster than our solar system.

Regardless of what the aether is, it can be said with relative certainty what it is not. Is is not a source of free energy. Mass to atomic energy conversion and the aether drift are two entirely two different subjects.

Converting energy into mass:
Milo Wolf did excellent work describing the science behind energy to mass conversion using a inbound longitudinal wave superimposed over an outbound longitudinal wave. His website is filled with information on the wave structure of matter. http://www.quantummatter.com/

So now that one has a basic understanding that mass is concentrated energy, how it got that way and the state that it exists we look at the opposite of that process.

Converting mass into energy (cavitation):
I have done some research on converting mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass which is the opposite of Milo Wolf but his wave matter structure helps to understand the process of cavitation which destroys that wave structure releasing the atomic energy of the mass.

If you go to Wiki and look up cavitation it begins:

"Cavitation - "Cavitation is defined as the phenomenon..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavitation

Next we look up phenomenon:
http://www.answers.com/topic/phenomenon
"An occurrence, circumstance, or fact that is perceptible by the senses.
An unusual, significant, or unaccountable fact or occurrence; a marvel."

So it is fairly common usage and definition of the word phenomenon that it is something we observe but can't explain.

So to produce a cavitation, we move energy or mass through ambient medium consisting of matter such as a gas, liquid or solid faster than the atoms of that matter can react, in the process drag a pocket (cavity) into that medium.

The ambient matter then collapses that pocket or empty space and like a trillion atom smashers all pointed that the center, the pocket slams back together with the pressure of the ambient matter.

This results in the formation of electron clusters. Electrons do not want to stay clustered (Columb's law) and so they explode back outward with the pressure and speed of atomic energy and knock other electrons free from the ambient matter and produces electron cascade effect.

"Nobody ever thought of using an accelerator before." - Stan Meyer

The energy we place into the process is focused on a much smaller area (the center of the cavity) and when the atomic energy was released from the matter, the energy released included our original input energy that created the cavity and any energy that was released when some of the matter was converted into the atomic energy contained within the mass.

Thermodynamics:
The laws of thermodynamics do not apply to this process. The first three were written by men describing fire and steam engines. Men that had never seen a telephone or an automobile, airplane or even perhaps an electric light. That should relegate thermodynamics to it's proper role in this discussion.

The law of force F=MA:
The law of force has three exceptions, one of which is if the mass is moving at or near the speed of quantum entanglement.

Definition of ambient medium composed of matter (states of matter):
Solids, liquids or gases.

I do not consider a plasma a state of matter since it is a fact that matter is transmuted in a plasma. Matter that is changing is not in a state.

If you look up the definition of plasma:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/state

...and you look at definition 5:
5.  Physics The condition of a physical system with regard to phase, form, composition, or structure: Ice is the solid state of water.

The definition implies a stability or form. Matter that is in a constant state of change does not fit that definition and only serves to relegate the other states of matter to an undefined meaning.

So I feel that a better way to define a plasma is "matter in a state of change."

So in a nutshell...

    * Free energy devices can only do one thing - convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass and cavitation is required to accomplish that.
    * Any mass can be cavitated in any state.
    * Plasma is not a state of matter, it is matter in a state of change due to the fact that it IS a cavitation.

You show me a free energy device that is not an energy receiver and I will show you where a cavitation is taking place.

References organized chronologically:
Dayton Miller's Ether-Drift Experiments: A Fresh Look by James DeMeo, Ph.D.
Director, Orgone Biophysical Research Lab
Greensprings, PO Box 1148, Ashland, Oregon 97520 USA.
Tel/Fax: 541-552-0118
E-mail to: info(at)orgonelab.org
http://www.orgonelab.org/miller2.htm

Milo Wolf - Quantum Matter
http://www.quantummatter.com

EXAMPLES OF CAVITATION

This list will be updated from time to time so check back.

Cavitation of a fluid

The Pistol Shrimp
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc

Self running free energy machine
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qhwQt1tJYa8

Ultrasonic Cavitation
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0oNZcLyCR_Q&NR=1

Propeller Cavitation
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KExSxt-lo5c&NR=1

Snapping Shrimp
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ONQlTMUYCW4

Sonoluminescence
http://keelytech.com/sonoluminescence.html

Codename "Shkval-Torpedo": Super-cavitation is a loop-hole in physics
http://www.articlesextra.com/supercavitation-torpedoes.htm

Producing nuclear fusion with the help of cavitation inside a glass of water
http://www.articlesextra.com/cavitation-fusion-nuclear.htm

Overunity free energy water heater from WITS
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxnEQssJ4FQ

John Worrell Keely-dale pond pt1
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TMEpCpzahFY&feature=PlayList&p=A426FDF5BA3CD7FD&index=0

Cavitation and Fusion
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StringhamRcavitationb.pdf

FUELLESS HEATER NO FUEL NO GAS NO WOOD NO GREEN HOUSE GASES
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_-DUKQ4Uw

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_fusion

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Sonofusion

http://sonofusionjets.com/

Cavitation in Microgravity (Full Movie)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gR0YBAhY2PQ

The Clem Engine
http://www.rexresearch.com/clemengn/clemengn.htm

Yet another example of cavitation:
http://www.emersonprocess.com/fisher/products/severeservice/product_solutions/cavitation_demo/

One form of this cavitation would be the discovery of what is called Universons by Claude Poher located at http://www.universons.com

Here is one of his U2bz.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ajCsSytmnLM

This list could go on and on. The rest will be updated in the near future

Electromagnetic Cavitation:

Electrostatic Cavitation:

Plasma Cavitation
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 15, 2009, 04:53:24 PM
(some people copy entire posts because they are afraid that they will be deleted later)

Where/how is cavitation occuring in the Tetrahedral device described in this thread?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4297.msg83207#msg83207
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 15, 2009, 05:16:13 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 16, 2009, 01:43:52 AM
SPECS on cavitation in nature [example of OVERUNITY IN NATURE DUE TO CAVITATION]

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc

The ' Pistol Shrimp / Pistol Crab - Alpheus heterochaelis '
It snaps its claw to create a cavitation bubble that collapses to create a powerful shockwave that stuns prey.
The temperature inside collapsing cavitation bubbles is for an instant higher than that of the sun, and some scientists have investigated the possibility of using this fact to simulate nuclear fusion.
With the help of a special muscle alignment and a sort of squirt-gun barrel they can accelerate a jet of water on short range to more than 90 km/h. When they shoot, the tensed "pincer-valve" snaps down in less than one thousandth of a second. Through this brute acceleration the water particles in the immediate vicinity heat up to more than 4000 (!) degrees Celsius. The resulting ultra hot cavitation-steam-bubble then implodes with a flash of light[PLASMA,, MASS IN TRANSITION} and a bang that at 240 decibels even dwarfs the roar of a jet fighter (about 150 decibels).
       Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 16, 2009, 02:17:56 AM
@Grumpy

      Looks like some kinda scaler wave generated electric vortex thingy.  Maybe enough for ionization and some kinda plasma spin field.  Like the protons all piled up in the middle of a funnel and the electrons whirling around the shell of the funnel like bats outta hell.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: wattsup on January 16, 2009, 02:30:00 AM
@TheBuzz

One form of this cavitation would be the discovery of what is called Universons by Claude Poher located at http://www.universons.com

Here is one of his U2bz.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ajCsSytmnLM

Unfortunately most of his information is in french but there is still some in english.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 16, 2009, 12:17:58 PM

I take coil A to be the pick up coil and coils X-Y-Z I take to be driver coils?


coils x,y,z are fired sequentially and coil A is fired with each x,y,z coil.

Pickup coil goes in middle slightly above the actual point of intersection.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 16, 2009, 03:03:03 PM
BUZZ
Beautiful build!! [but you already knew that]

 I don't see a place for the duct tape??
 
  Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 17, 2009, 04:01:23 PM
@Buzz

    That motor you picture is how Tesla wanted electric motors to be with the b field of the coils being utilized.   The shorted coils respond to the magnetic flux density change within the core which induces a current in the coil that opposes or cancels the magnetic flux change inside it's core.  This causes a magnetic field density shift from the area of the core which is uninhibited towards the "shading coil" area.
This magnetic density shift is always in the same direction no matter which way the current in the line coil is produced.  The shading coil is of very low impedance because it has to do it's thing within one ac cycle.  If this coil was of very fine wire the motor would not run.  Because the shading coil current would flow long after it was needed to change the magnetic flux shift in the laminations.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 17, 2009, 04:44:37 PM
That would make more sense, now I see the vortex - natures other accelerator.

and the cavitation?
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: wattsup on January 17, 2009, 04:52:29 PM
@sparks

Yes sir, I have been pointing to those two copper winds even a few weeks ago on a thread involved in the perpetual magnetic wheel as a means of neutralizing the sticky spot. Oh regarding your post of the wheel a few pages back, funny thing I had designed a wheel a few months back but forgot to post it. I am suffering from too many projects at the same time. lol

Anyways here it is. Should not be a difficult build. My idea is just the opposite, to have the center fixed and outer fixed but the center should have a 15-20 degree rotation capability to adjust and fix the final angle where the outer sticky-spot is overcome by the inner push and vis-versa, always pushing the center rotor so it can turn counter clockwise.

Sorry if totally off topic.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 17, 2009, 06:05:18 PM
@ Grumpy
I believe Acceleration[extreme] also causes cavitation

 Speaking of acceleration!!! Codename "Shkval-Torpedo": Super-cavitation is a loop-hole in physics
                                     5400 kph underwater
http://www.articlesextra.com/supercavitation-torpedoes.htm [From the BUZZ collection on page 11]

 I know this is not what you meant Grumpy but its cool
   Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 17, 2009, 06:32:55 PM
@Grumpy

   Damn low pressure area inside a hurricane eye.

@ Wattsup

    Picture below is a side and top angle of the magnet motor.  It's how a dc motor conductor produces torque.  The vortexing magnetic field around a current carrying conductor in a static magnetic field causes a magnetic flux differential field on either side of the conductor.  The conductor's mass is then propelled by this realtivity in the magnetic field to fill the void it perpectuly creates in the direction of motion.  The current carrying conductor can be replaced with a permanent magnet that creates the vortex magnetic field about itself like it was carrying 25 or more amps.  By arranging the field magnets in a ring instead of facing each other there is no need for commutation of the current flowing in the conductor.  This allows for the use of a permanent magnet instead of a coil whose current must be shorted and restablished upon each 1/2 rotation.
    There is no sticky spots just a magnetic sailboat heading straight upwind.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: poynt99 on January 18, 2009, 05:01:07 AM
The more I work with this Thane Heins coil the more Linderman is correct when he stated that it is a hysteresis brake. That does not mean it can't be used to make a motor run faster.

Thane is either not doing his homework or not posting all the information from what I see. The triac  disconnects the induction from mains so the motor is able to spin faster. Does that mean that the overall torque of the motor goes up? Not sure, don't have a dyno to play with. One thing I am sure of is that a motor is inefficient and there is room for improvement and I suspect hysteresis braking is a place where improvement could be made.

On the toroid video Thane posted, he did not measure current output, only the voltage. This does not give a measurement of the power being produced as the people in the Young thread either did or will eventually figure out. A 50,000 volt taser runs on a 9 volt battery but that does not mean it is a free energy device.

Buzz, anyone...

Has Thane posted a schematic or block diagram outlining what he is doing exactly? I've seen a few videos, but no diagrams, so either I've missed it (which is possible as I have not followed his thread all that closely), or there isn't one. A link anyone?

Thanks,
.99
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 18, 2009, 06:09:12 AM
Exactly right on the nose. While I was building that stupid E core form I thought why is that Canadian using an e-core when this could just be done on a solonoid way better. About then I looked on his youtube channel and see that he has gone that way. Lucky for me I had only wound one coil and had not cut the wire off the spool so I put the wire back on the spool and wrote off that project.

The aspect of all this that is interesting to me is how Meyer was using it in his VIC. All that energy being squeezed into a smaller amount of time is a pulse compression. What Hawking claimed would produce zero point energy.

My first impression of Meyer is he was using compression, then I get side tracked but always come back to that. That adjustable choke with shorted coil is as key a piece of the Meyer puzzle as anything that has come along thus far IMO.

Meyer's adjustable coil appears the same as Tesla's regulator coil which I think he used to match the impedance of his magnifier to the supply.  I was working toward this end today and found that it increases the effects.

It's funny that everyone still talks of zero point, not knowing that Harmuth got rid of it.   On the other hand "time", or should we say the field that represents "time" is the way.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 18, 2009, 03:28:42 PM
      Inside a solenoid that closes in on itself we have a peculiar happening.  We know there is some magnetic anomaly going on in there  because if we open it up a metal plunger will get sucked into it when we energise the solenoid.  Now the ab effect shows us that a solenoid winding closed on itself  effects the space outside it's sphere of influence.  Those who have watched Steven Marks videos will note the peculiar way he uses the ammeter.  Almost like he was measuring a current between space and his solenoid.  Then there is his 5khz output signal.  The 1/2 wavelength of a 5kz cycle is the same length as the distance the Earth travels in the same interval relative to the magnetic field of the Sun.  Say we got some kinda magnetic monopole going and this monopole is getting dragged at 67,000 miles an hour through the magnetic field of the Sun.  I'm wondering if there isn't some kinda bfield acceleration possible inside the torroid.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 19, 2009, 06:03:24 PM
What is a resonant charging choke supposed to do?

On the toroid, the secondary is between the primaries and the resonant charging chokes are where the secondray should be in a regular transformer, and the secondary is connected to the chokes - all on the same core.

Putting on the wading pants...
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EDIT:

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The VIC circuit of Figure 10 also includes a ferromagnetic or ceramic ferromagnetic pulsing core capable of producing electromagnetic flux lines in response to an electrical pulse input. The flux lines equally affect the secondary coil and the resonant charging choke windings. Preferably, the core is a closed loop construction. The effect of the core is to isolate the water capacitor and to prevent the pulsing signal from going below an arbitrary ground and to maintain the charge of the already charged water and water capacitor.

In the pulsing core, the coils are preferably wound in the same direction to maximize the additive effect of the electromagnetic field therein.

The magnetic field of the pulsing core is in synchronization with the pulse input to the primary coil. The potential from the secondary coil is introduced to the resonant charging choke(s) series circuit elements which are subjected to the same synchronous applied electromagnetic field, simultaneously with the primary pulse.


Closed core?

Resonant?  Perhaps not in the way most think of...

Sounds like he is pumping energy into the water and then letting it idle for a short time, then pumping again.  The cell is a circular capacitor with water dielectric - not a typical setup for electrolysis of any sort.

Then Stan adds this:
Quote
Shape and size of the resonant cavity may vary. Larger resonant cavities and higher rates of consumption of water in the conversion process require higher frequencies such as up to 50 KHz and above. The pulsing rate, to sustain such high rates of conversion must be correspondingly increased.


That doesn't sound like LC resonance.

Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 19, 2009, 06:49:13 PM
    Most chokes block ac by impeding their progression through a circuit and expend the energy of the traveling wave into magnetic core saturating.  A resonant choke I guess would start bouncing ac back and forth in a portion of the circuit possibly producing a standing wave of some sort.  I'm just guessing here.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 19, 2009, 06:55:03 PM
The secret, if there is one, lies in the "extra energy" that Meyer spoke of.

Would the chokes keep this "extra energy" from going back through?
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 20, 2009, 04:53:57 PM
      Meyer talks about the resonant frequency of the water.  Never names it says it's all over the place etc.   Infrared emwaves are absorbed by watermolecules.  This usually results in heat or kinetic energy of molecules.  If a condition persisted that allowed this adsorption of emwave energy to result in an electrical gain instead of an inertial gain the watermolecule would become a receiving antennae and act accordingly.  The polarized water molecule therefore not moving around randomly but acting as an energy sucking antennae.  The acstanding wave field produced by the water molecule dipole antennae increasing in size in the near field of the water molecule.  This initial excitation of the water molecule now virtually expands the watermolecule to absorb a greater #of emwaves which intensifies the standing wave field currents.  At some point the standing wave field currents disrupt the hydrogen bond and the antennae melts so to say.  The standing wave field falls apart and returns this energy to the near field where it is made available for recycle into the next receiver molecule.
    I have noticed by experimentation that water is able to convert long wave length em wave energy into higher frequency em wave energy.  The exact mechanism is not yet understood by myself.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 21, 2009, 03:51:46 PM
Thanks Buzz - I am trying a completely different approach now.


EDIT:

http://www.articlesextra.com/cavitation-fusion-nuclear.htm
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 22, 2009, 03:26:55 PM
I don't think it is fusion per se but here is another clue.

Many people reported that the reaction took about 30 seconds to start. So do most gas discharge lamps.

The voltages are in range, the amperage is in range, the process of converting electrons to photon is there, the discharge lamp is a cavitation device and so that requirement is met, the missing heat mystery solved, what the tungsten filament was about, the circuit that drove it is the exact circuit you would use, why Meyer's alternator had a high voltage side, why the shorted coil in the VIC to increase pulse amplitude, etc. It is all there.

It looks to me like Meyer's circuit is all about making the gas discharge lamp run cool and have a long life. A mercury vapor lamp may fill the requirements and can be bought for 10 bucks.

The fusion link is unrelated.

Meyer did not use the discharge lamp on early devices, or any light source.

30 seconds is about the time it would take to prime the pump - so to speak.

Gas discharge lamp is also a source of UV - Natures Great Disintegrator  ;D

Why did Meyer need such current-limiting/consuming devices when he could have just limited it at the supply?



Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 22, 2009, 03:47:27 PM
@Buzz

       A plasma has coherent assembly of neuclides and electrons.  I think there is energy gain just creating plasma.   If the ionizing scource is coupled with a magnetic field which controls the electron acceleration then the energy stored in the electron proton field converts to the electron current in the plasma.  This is a selfperpecutaing current within the field of the plasma.   The conveyor chain of electrons allows for it's superconducting properties.  A conductor is a plasma.  The electron cloud forms on the skin of the conductor where we find most if not all the energy flows in a conductor.  This electron cloud is a negative plasma with the core of the conductor with a greater percentage of ionized copper (conductor) atoms.  The problem with this plasma is that the electron cloud is static and needs an outside force to turn it into an electron conveyor belt.  This is not to say that this electronic cloud isn't a good field to send some scalar waves through.  The cloud will act just like air molecules do with sound.  Pushing the cloud itself around is a ridiculous way to use it as a conductor.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 22, 2009, 04:44:24 PM
Well, let's hack through some bullshit.  Here are some facts in the world of chemistry:

1. molecular bond "breaking" is an endothermic process. (energy is received)

2. molecular bond "making" is an exothermic process. (energy is given)

3. in general, the longer a chemical bond the weaker it is.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 22, 2009, 05:45:47 PM
    So lets breakem at point a and extract heat from the ambient and makem at point b and get this shit rolling.  The second law of thermal dynamics works if you expand the "system"
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Quote from: Grumpy
link=topic=6446.msg152190#msg152190 date=1232639064
Well, let's hack through some bullshit.  Here are some facts in the world of chemistry:

1. molecular bond "breaking" is an endothermic process. (energy is received)

2. molecular bond "making" is an exothermic process. (energy is given)

3. in general, the longer a chemical bond the weaker it is.

Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 22, 2009, 09:46:41 PM
Hey Grumpy, I doubt that you can prove that Meyer didn't use the light in his early devices any more than I can.. What I can prove is that the cell had more to it than people are willing to see. Here is a photo of the cell from Meyer's video. Notice the clip holding something in the center tube? What is that?

Could it be a piezo device? The bubbles don't get large and float to the top quickly so I doubt there is a huge amount of ultra sonic energy taking place.

Could it be something holding a gas discharge tube? It is well known that Meyer's patented generator had a high and low voltage side. Look at what the water spark plug people are doing in creating a cavitation to explode water. Could that light be used to trigger the high voltage side like the trigger on a xenon tube? Was is consuming electrons? A spark gap?

Questions that are worth looking into if one assumes that a gas discharge lamp is a cavitation device which I feel it is.

I know why he used the light and how it must be applied.  It is not required but would increase the yield.  This is not a light device unless water is pretreated by running it through this device - which may be the case - since the light is not at the location of the reaction between the cell tube walls.

If that object in the center of the tube is a vibrator of some sort, the effect wouldn't be much more than a shking of the entire cell, possibly to shake bubbles loose, but I have since identified a mechanism that indicates that vibration would also increase the gas yield.

Either seems likely and is probably further indicated by a change that shows up in a subsequent design. 

Spark gap is also a source of UV.

===========================================================================
EDIT

Now I know exactly why he used piezo transducers. 
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 23, 2009, 12:06:39 AM
Gentlemen

I'm confused [typically I'm always confused, this time more so]

The gas filled tube theory [seems Tesla loved tubes]

The Piezo transducer [I believed tuned to a specific frequency [one that beats the piss out of water]

The big  'doesn't heat up the cell'  thing

The simple neon circuit?

So many cool ideas !!

How can we test some of them??

    Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 23, 2009, 12:17:17 AM
Gentlemen

I'm confused [typically I'm always confused, this time more so]

The gas filled tube theory [seems Tesla loved tubes]

The Piezo transducer [I believed tuned to a specific frequency [one that beats the piss out of water]

The big  'doesn't heat up the cell'  thing

The simple neon circuit?

So many cool ideas !!

How can we test some of them??

    Chet

Yeah, most just don't get it.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 23, 2009, 12:48:01 AM
Grumpy

'It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question'.

                                                                                                                                    -Frank Edwards
I really like that quote [and believe it]

Another one I like
'On to whomever much is given, much is required' [ To me this is similar to Frank Edwards] Implying a responsibility to the GIFTED amongst us

I actually think I am more excited about Meyers discovery [or improvement on the idea] and less confused [due to recent ideas about how this is done]

My initial confusion revolved around all the possibilities

 Know Im just freakin excited

     Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 23, 2009, 01:13:07 AM
BUZZ
I had no idea, President!!

WOW!!

I like your joke

And your ideas/observations

Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 23, 2009, 01:23:45 AM
     @ramset

   The problem with Stan Myers work is he had a shitload of stuff hitting the patent office trying to sewup any kinda lowamperage fracturing of watta amongst other things.   If you look at one of his first cells it's a duplicate of Tesla's ozone pattent but Tesla ionized air to get ozone and Myers got himself some hydrogen.  By using the watta as the dielectric in a capacitor and using it in a resonant circuit of course he is going to use less energy then just pushing straight dc at it.  He uses a feed back circuit that senses his capacitance and adjusts the resonator to keep it in tune.  The dielectric current is very pervasive well able to influence the electron to proton bond never mind the hydrogen bonds.   Like all inquisitive minds he keeps fuckin around tuning to different types of watta and gets some shit to happen like buzz is talking about (cold fusion).  This happens when he hits some mechanical resonance on his tubes.  Then he continues on and makes sure his hydrogen fuel is an exact replacement for gasoline.  Jumps in his dune buggy and gets himself poisoned for fucking around with greedy insane people. Your time is gonna come watch out .... seems like it has come.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 23, 2009, 01:43:30 AM
    @Buzz

        When he developed his injector he introduced an ionized gas into the injector stream to make sure his fuel didnt turn back into water where you least expect it.  Some of his patents he has the water inside a magnetron looking thing and runs the cavity with the water in it and photodiode arrays  (uv scource if you ask me)  to keep things bubbling while the electrons get pulled out at the anode.
      Best overunity results I ever got were using rusted iron wire and pulsing it with high voltage.  Whats nice about iron wire (stainless steel I guess too) is you don't waste any energy resetting the magnetic domains every pulse.  The oxide layer provides a good conductor of dielectric currents too.  So you get all three of em going the same way. 
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 23, 2009, 01:48:31 AM
Buzz
There was a fellow here, very recently looking for people to experiment with stainless wire [which he apparently had ordered special[ thousands of feet]
 I will try to find the link and post it here [it was a Meyers project]

Sparks
Thanks for the info

Grumpula
Thanks for starting this thread

Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 23, 2009, 02:00:19 AM
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Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 23, 2009, 06:25:16 AM
Buzz,

I have to be quiet for a little while.  Don't want to get poisoned or anything like that.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 23, 2009, 01:59:51 PM
BUZZ
GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME BREAD!! [ I changed it]

My campaign slogan [For the gentile club President]

     Chet

Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 23, 2009, 03:42:18 PM
Fear not ye of little faith. These forums are self spooking. A civilian population acting with courage and a common positive goal cannot be defeated when they stand together.

The ozone point you or sparks made was a good one. That would explain what Meyer meant when he stated something to the effect of getting the oxygen atom to accept the bonding electrons from the H2O.

If you do a search on that diode Meyer mentioned, you get nothing. However if you search just the numeric aspect of the part number you come up with an LED made by HP used in laser printers and copiers.

All BS aside, you just wrote down the secret and no one knows it.  Except maybe a few Gentiles, a couple of Native Americans , and Topsiders.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 23, 2009, 04:56:58 PM
   There are a couple of ways to get ozone.  (imagine ozone in a fuel cell electron transport sheme)  Buy an ultraviolet light or a corona discharge unit.  Both produce ionizing phenomenon.   Problem is that there is very little attention paid to the magnetic field around these units to manipulate the ions.  Well if I run out of fuel this winter I can always just get some thermal energy burning air.   Burnt some water in my microwave the other day but it was mostly a light show not alot of heat.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 24, 2009, 12:30:54 AM
Sparks
speaking of burning water and a lot more

http://www.browngas.com/eng_bestkorea/history_1.htm

 An HHO heater the inventor infers he has running overunity

HHO burning in a torch quite cool 400, 600F

Put that same flame on a piece of MANGANESE OR TITANIUM  3200F

This guy did the obvious , plus got the cell pumping  MUCHO gas

Checkout his patents

 Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 25, 2009, 03:09:11 PM
For sale in Korea [South]

His patents

This patent will be of interest

US 6,761,558 Heating apparatus using thermal reaction of brown gas

US 6,397,834 Brown gas heating furnace made of mineral stone
 Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 25, 2009, 03:55:09 PM
   @Ramset

      When hydrogen and oxygen combine they condense or occupy less space very quickly. This process leaves the space around them voided of vibration / heat.  The metals are full of vibrations/heat potential.  The current which flows is a current that flows between any two points of different emwave density.  The metal heats up as a result of the resistance of the metal to this current.

   @Buzz

      Any way to cause cavitation in a diode.  Like smacking it with a pulse of reverse biased dc and the "holes" migrate towards the cathode and coalesce in the crystal then relax the dc and see what pops out.  Something like an activated solar array instead of passive.  Giving the photons a bigger target than migrating electrons.  Make like a photon suckerupper and spitter outter.  Maybe get the plasma jet directed at the cathode and a little fusion happening there.  Need a good cathode though because I think most metals are gonna go away.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 25, 2009, 04:05:18 PM
Sparks
Are you describing the browns gas flame as a current?
  Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 25, 2009, 04:27:37 PM
    @Ramset

    It's more of a density change event than a thermal or electrical event.    Take a bottle of hydrogen and air and put a match to it.  It doesn't explode in fact you can put a reed across the mouth of the bottle and you can get a very high pitched shreek as the air rushes into the bottle through the reed.  If you monitor the temperature of the bottle before and after the implosion.  Your bottle is gonna be colder than it was before the reaction.  This is because all the heat there was is now inside the water moleucle instead of randomized gas moleucle vibratory state.
   This current is what drives a fuel cell.  The water is split using a heated piece of platinum to break the bonds.  The hydrogen ions migrate towards the detonation spot and the electrons migrate towards the detonation spot through the load.  You get a little thermal energy out of the deal because of shock waves but the implosion is all density polarization driven.  Like a blackhole sucking in stars though a giant resistor.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 26, 2009, 05:56:18 PM
   Cavitation device look at  a blackhole.  Imagine the fusion going on in there.  Some blackholes spin a little and get polarized and blam out comes a whole new galaxy to swirl back in.  Only thing left around a blackhole is iron remnants from the Suns cores.  I have yet to figure that one out.  Gotta be iron is able to respond to some other field stronger than the G's around a blackhole.  Maybe iron wraps an antigravity field around itself.  I dunno.

   Ozone is damn electronegative.  It loves to pickup a hydrogen anywhere it can get it's hands on it.  That's why it's a great sanitizer.  Dissolves the bugs protein chains.  In water it forms the oh- radical tears the crap out of protein chains. HMMM.  Maybe that is Meyers ionized gass he introduces in his injectors.  No wonder he needs the good stuff.   Tesla said that radiation burns were from ozone.  Well if you got this neutron cavitation whole shot into your skin and it ionizes the tissues and produces ozone maybe he was right and the egghead doctors said oh no those are radiation burns having no clue what radiation is.  Ozone cells also burn air.  You gotta be careful what you put in there or you get this electrially conductive nitrous oxide film that shorts out the cell.  I'm just wondering what putting a little watta in there will do if it isnt allowed to short out the cell.   We know we are gonn get ozone and maybe a little hydrogen but the field needs to classify them real fast before the ozone recaptures the hydrogen.  Maybe a strong magnetic field would help the dispersion process?  Or rattle that field with some sonic input to boost up that free hydrogen into other molecular arrangements.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 27, 2009, 12:56:37 AM
Sparks,

A tunnel diode is a cavitation device. Look how it is constructed, then compare that to a water hammer. A tunnel diode produces negative resistance through cavitation.

How about this one:

The cris- crossed carbon fiber negsistor? Notice how the the fibers cause cavitation by the sudden change in direction of electrical flow? That is how Tesla's manifold produced cavitation - sudden change in direction of flow.

Cavitation is taking place all around you. In fact, I suspect every atom is doing it. Where is comes into play in a free energy device is with higher orders of cavitation. For example - we could make a nice bang by igniting some O3, but when we ignite O4, much bigger bang.

My grandpa used to blow stumps by pouring oil in a trench around a stump and then tipping a jar of liquid oxygen tied to a string over and allowing the two to mix. Liquide oxygen has plenty of O4 in it.

I wonder why Meyer's brother in law didn't name his company hydrogen power but instead named it oxygen power? You don't suppose that air/gas processor was an ozone generator do you? Or how about the photo of the dune buggy and that strange container with the flat plates in it. Suppose that was an ozone generator?

Easy way to find out since ozone is easy to make and a pond fogger is 20 bucks.

Bottom line - cavitation is the holy grail of free energy devices.

Doesn't Oxygen have a tendency to group into glubules of atoms?
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 27, 2009, 01:28:19 AM
  @Grumpy

     No idea.  I always thought it was just a diatomic moleucle sharing a couple of electrons with a pretty straightforward bond angle.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 27, 2009, 05:15:36 PM
 @Grumpy


    Hmmm.  The lack of -charge carriers in the ionizing field seems critical in establishing molecular bonds of high energy.  If this can be viewed as electrons in a plasmic matter state we need to get them out of the field of influence of the neucleide field.  Otherwise upon relaxation of the ionizing potential the electrons return to the neuclide field and the plasma collapses back into molecular bonding at less energetic bond parameters.   I can see where you are coming from who the hell needs hydrogen to bust down something like 07 that shit will bust down looking at it.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 30, 2009, 08:22:52 PM
St Buzz

User's Lanmastered and Feynman along with others were working on this particular problem here

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=11323;sa=showPosts

Havn't heard from Lan since August His Email is in his profile [A good soul]

             Chet [pork chop]
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 30, 2009, 09:58:57 PM
Not true resonance - just oscillation - Meyer said so himself.

Something that is force-excited will resonate at it's own frequency.  ;)
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on January 30, 2009, 10:25:22 PM
     If you get the kicks up there like way up there in the gamma territory most mass resonance must get a little disresonant.  Buzz said Meyer was talking an accelerator.   He make himself a tabletop accelerator like the newfangled cavitated selfpinching plasma wave thing a ma jiggas?  The particles surf the excited plasma waves reaching damn near the speed of light.  Very little input energy.  Lots of acceleration.  Makes cern look like the biggest boondogle of all time when you can get it all in the size of a suitcase.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on January 31, 2009, 02:43:56 AM
impact excitation

force excitation

look at a tuning fork - you strike it and it resonates at it's own frequency

Spark gap transmitters operate this way too.

Excite the molecules - this is all that is required.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on January 31, 2009, 07:11:10 PM
Gentlemen
I have to post this

Is it possible to get more out than in

http://www.browngas.com/eng_bestkorea/history_1.htm

 An HHO heater the inventor/seller infers he has running overunity

HHO burning in a torch quite cool 300F in atmosphere

Put that same flame on a piece of MANGANESE OR TITANIUM  3200F

10 times more out than in!!

This guy did the obvious , plus got the cell pumping  MUCHO gas

Checkout his patents

Im trying to get my brain around this Korean fellows Heating device

For sale in Korea [South]


This patent will be of interest

US 6,761,558 Heating apparatus using thermal reaction of brown gas

US 6,397,834 Brown gas heating furnace made of mineral stone
 
Can someone explain the ten fold increase in heat?

Is this a red herring? or can we recapture some of the costs to produce this gas by utilizing this anomaly

The way the Koreans are doing

We may not need to get all scary with 04 and squishing  water etc etc so much

IS it possible she has given us enough already [mother nature?]

This Korean that studied with Yule Brown seems to think so
         Chet
BTW

THESE  Hydrogen  HEATERS DON"T NEED VENTING, ALL HEAT DOES WORK[ Warms your ass]
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on February 01, 2009, 07:25:46 PM
St Buzz

I can't find any info on this bloomline laser exciter ?

Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on February 01, 2009, 07:45:44 PM
St Buzz

I can't find any info on this bloomline laser exciter ?

Chet

Blumlein - it's a PFL pulser
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on February 01, 2009, 09:17:11 PM
St Buzz

I have once again asked[supreme being] for your shackles to be removed

 Chet  [the biped pig]
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on February 02, 2009, 06:09:47 PM
@ Chet  - Glad to see you back on two legs and walking upright.

@ Grumpy - You said resonance was not important just oscillation and that Meyer said so.

Hum.. My resonance chamber experiment shows a very large peak to peak increase on the detector piezo when the driver piezo is tuned for the speed of sound through air for the chamber length. Taking into consideration temp and humidity levels, the chamber is accurate to within 1/8 of an inch and a sudden 180 degree phase shift occurs on the scope of the pickup -vs- the driver signal at resonance. It is also audibly loader at that sweet spot.

Meyer talked about opening up the aperture of the atom and I would think that this large swing in energy level would meet that description. If we want an electron exchange to occur, then swinging the energy level of the atom would be key and resonance would be important.

As I always understood Meyer in his use of the term oscillation - I took that to mean on the tip of the injector. There was a center positive and two ground sides which alternated to supply ground according to his drawing and truth table on the drawing.

I picked up 2 UV LEDS and am going to see if I can detect the infra red emission when the fission takes place. Even though the LEDS are 390nm I think it will be detectable.

If that does not work, I built a 100W mercury vapor discharge lamp being pushed with a 400 watt supply that will pretty much shut your eyes down for the rest of the day after just a 1 second exposure - pretty sure that will do it. :-) There is a blue ball of UV two inches thick surrounding that beast.

I must obtain some proper protective eye wear.

welding glass, 8 or higher - and shield it, as it will give you a sun burn

you must use quartz tube for uv to get through or maybe MgF2 - has to transmit UV at the range the LEDS put out.  Pyrex and other glasses block the UV as do most plastics.

Shorter wavelengths are greatly attenuated in air, so there is an advantage to flowing around the UV source, or using multiple UV sources around a quartz conduit.

Blew the cap (it shorted) on my mercury bulb power supply (400w).  Got to order and wait for a new one.

Are you familiar with open and closed sound columns?

EDIT:
I  was referring to electrical resonance.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on February 02, 2009, 11:50:01 PM
Gentlemen

Yet another example of cavitation in nature

http://www.break.com/index/amazing-new-water-powered-jet-pack.html

        Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Smart Monkey on February 03, 2009, 08:57:24 PM
   Plasma Cavitation Accelerators  Choose your particles and targets.


     Most metals are room temperature plasma.  Some with denser electron seperation than others.

             http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_acceleration

                       :o
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on February 03, 2009, 09:09:27 PM
Behold - The power of cavitation!

I built a cold steam fogger thingy for a project I am working on and used a pond fogger to produce mist. (It all sits in a GE water filter container)

Even though that polycarbonate plate is three inches away from the piezo transducer, after 5 minutes, it had destroyed the plate and it does that with so little power it is just amazing.

was the poly plate submerged?


EDIT:
That dude was right about the nitrogen.

Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on February 03, 2009, 09:38:19 PM
St Buzz

Polycarbonate

Melts at 270C  is that lump[2nd photo] all that is left of the top plate?

The Buzz said   

 ''' destroyed the plate and it does that with so little power it is just amazing'''

How little?
 
    Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on February 04, 2009, 01:33:27 AM
St Buzz

Nobody has proven you wrong

HOW DO WE GET OUT OF THIS MESS ?

How do we release the choke hold of the powers that BE

SHINE THE LIGHT ,THE TIME IS LATE!!

  Chet

Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Smart Monkey on February 04, 2009, 03:07:31 AM
       A cavitated plasma will create waves through it's mass that travel at the speed of light.   Introduction of a second field of mass with a cold plasma wave circulating at a different fequency and driven so that the two wave crests  interfere cause collision of the accelerated mass traveling/surfing the wave fronts.
Energies of the accelerated mass easily reaching fusion levels as the mass is compressed in the cavities created between plasma waves.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on February 04, 2009, 04:04:51 PM
After a bit more reading it looks like I want IR LEDS and have them and will test both light sources after the UV test. I should be able to test for about anything with the cell. Still have to build the power supplies and driver circuits and will get that finished up tomorrow.

All those resistors on Meyers gas processor probably means there are a bunch of LED diodes or lasers like he claimed. The ionizer would account for the other set of wires. After looking at a better picture I am backing off the one way valve claim on the bottom. Looks more like an electrical connection since it is brass and threaded. There is a ground lug open and it probably goes to that. I'll post the rest of the photos on my site later.

You bulb idea puts out more than those diodes ever will.

Infrared might prove interesting.

On the gas processor, I see the brass threaded stud with no wire, the black wire with red sheath and a label looks like a HV wire - like for an igniter - this may be for the ionizing HV.  I'd guess that the other black and red wires are for the LEDs.


Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on February 05, 2009, 12:52:33 AM
The wire size appears to be the same - only difference appears to be strain relief to me.

Had another look at the original Meyer VIC and think I have my head wrapped around that. It is a pulse compression modulator. Normally we modulate RF as AM or FM but this appears to modulate much like AM and FM combined. Not sure what to call it so a pulse compression modulator for now.

I see why on the Puharich patent the wire from the secondary is not connected. He appears to have been using capacitive inductance of the coil and there would have been multiple banks. Not surprisingly, Meyer appears to have just copied the Puharich process in his own way.

Shake the oxygen atom 7 times and on the 8th, ping it with the high voltage once the electrons are spaced out from the oscillation.

A mental picture:

If I had 8 magnetic pool balls sitting in a line (electrical polarization) then I rattled them a bit to space them out (VIC bank would coil)and then I hit the end ball with a Q-ball (The high voltage through the gas discharge tube - spark gap) the ball on the other end will fly off leaving the other 7 balls. The all I have to do is retrieve my Q-ball (electron extraction) and I have HHO.

Make sense?

Meyer just rolled out of his posh poolside lounge chair and spilled his cocktail.

VIC coil is now laid to rest.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on February 05, 2009, 01:14:16 AM
St Buzz

     Rack em up!!

      Chet

Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on February 10, 2009, 05:41:21 PM
      Looks like they are going high tech on Buzz's implosion.  They are burning some special fuel (heavy water available most anywhere)  to get some helium out of the implosion.   They are using I'll be damned Grumpys pulsed energy.  Of course they make sure to make something radioactive enough to come under the control of the powers that be.  In fact they already have the output priced up.  Look at the people involved and tell me this tech isn't gonna go south.      Obama is talking windmills while the good ole boys are talking return on investment.  And that extra highspeed neutron couldn't fuse with another high speed neutron and get a little gamma going.  That would release more high speed neutrons and oh oh black hole.  On top of that what are we gonna do with all this helium gas anyway.
Lots of goodyear blimps and party ballons and kids running around with gerbal voices.     http://other.nrl.navy.mil/LaserFusionEnergy/index.html
                  
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Doctor No on February 10, 2009, 11:47:08 PM
Here is my diatribe on cavitation:
WHAT TO HELL CAVITIES HAVE COMMON WITH FREE ENERGY?
YOU FIND CAVITIES ALSO IN TEETH, BUT YOU NEED LATER A DENTIST AND TO PAY FOR HIS WORK.
CAVITATION IS SECONDARY EFFECT, YOU NEED HER, BUT NEED STHG MORE EARLIER

I suppose it would begin with the assumption that all there is, is energy. If I had to make a guess, I suspect that half the energy in the universe is in the form of mass. Mass is energy that is compressed, spinning and polarized.
IT IS NO WONDER E=MC^2

Our universe is made of fractals and surely the reason that if you expand Mandelbrot's equation out to the size of the universe, you begin to see images of snow covered mountains, trees and other things we see everyday. If you truly want to know the shape of the universe, look in a mirror. Edgar Cayce and the law of probability should be required reading for anyone wanting a better understanding of the cosmos.
YOU ARE RIGHT

Free energy:
The term free energy creates a reaction with an educated person since it implies energy from nothing. This of course is impossible and silly and so the reaction is justified.
OF COURSE

A better term would be "economic free energy". Since a gallon of water contains the atomic energy equivalent, equal to the chemical equivalent of millions of barrels of oil, the gallon of water would represent economic free energy.
YOU NEED TO EXTRACT IT FROM WATER ONLY

The best term would be mass to atomic energy converter. Since all free energy devices do just that. Energy does not come from nothing - no exceptions.
FROM SHORTCUT:  BETWEEN MATTER AND ANTIMATTER
 
Zero Point:
Notice nowhere in that simple equation E=MC2 is there anything that represents aether or zero point? I am going to stick with my own experience and some of the best scientific minds on Earth. Of course there is a zero point and of course there is less than a zero point. It would be impossible to have a black hole without less than zero and so everything in between exists as well. It has nothing to to do with free energy.

Aether:
The aether field was measured and observed by Dayton Miller using light-beam interferometry in the early part of the 1900s to measure an Earth-entrained aether drift.

Many scientist assumed and wrote of the existence of the aether field which included Crookes, Lodge, Faraday, Michelson, Moorley, Miller, Tesla, Reich and even Einstein.

Einstein later denied the aether field and this is confirmed in a letter he wrote to Shankland thanking him for disproving Miller. In the letter Einstein acknowledged that the existence of the aether would invalidate special relativity.
MAYBE EINSTEIN LOST HIS OWN SOUL (OR SOLD IT, I^VE HEARD TO j. p. MORGAN)

Dayton Miller did 10,000 hours of observation of the aether on a mountain near Ashland Oregon. His observations concluded the field moves at 24.5 kilometers per hour across the planet, concentrated between -100 meters below the surface and +300 meters above the surface and departs the planet in the direction of the constellation Leo. It tends to flow around objects like mountains but also flows through them to some extent.
HOW STARS TRAVEL IN TIME AND HOW THIS WAS OBSERVED THROUGH RUSSIAN ASTRONOMER KOZYRYEV, PLEASE SEE: http://www.universalinternetlibrary.ru/book/potapov/5.shtml
CHAPTER 5.3 MYSTERIOUS TORSION FIELDS

My own thoughts on this are that given the fact that aether has been proven to come from space and return to space reveal that it is sourced by a larger body such as the solar system or the Milky Way Galaxy or perhaps any large body of mass. Daton Miller's experiments indicated that there was an aether drift that also flowed from the Sun.

Regardless of what the aether is, it can be said with relative certainty what it is not. Is is not a source of free energy. Mass to atomic energy conversion and the aether drift are two entirely two different subjects.
NO, YOU CAN USE MASS OF UNIVERSE TO MAKE SHORTCUT BETWEEN MATTER/ANTIMATTER AND TO REGULATE THIS PROCESS

    * Free energy devices can only do one thing - convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass and cavitation is required to accomplish that.
NOT ONLY, CAN DO MASS FROM AETHER
HAVE YOU NOT HEARD IN SCHOOL, HOW AFTER REACTION BETWEEN MAN AND FEMALE CHILD CAN BE BORN?

    * Plasma is not a state of matter, it is matter in a state of change due to the fact that it is a cavitation.
PLASMA IS IN STATE BETWEEN MASS AND ENERGY, SUCH AS ELECTRICAL FLOW-IT^S MINI PLASMA

Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Grumpy on February 11, 2009, 12:36:00 AM
NO, YOU CAN USE MASS OF UNIVERSE TO MAKE SHORTCUT BETWEEN MATTER/ANTIMATTER AND TO REGULATE THIS PROCESS

Can you elaborate on this statement?
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: tagor on May 15, 2010, 04:02:39 PM
 
 
do you know the H E T heater ?
 
is it cavitation or  Peter Davey  like's heater : ?
 
 
http://www.rexresearch.com/davey/davey.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/davey/davey.htm)
 
see :
 
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4083.msg241485#msg241485 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4083.msg241485#msg241485)
 
 
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on May 17, 2010, 01:51:11 PM


                             I miss the Buzz!!
                            He had great posts!
                                Cavitation!!
              I wonder if he figured out how to harvest this?
               http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc
               


Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sparks on May 20, 2010, 01:23:55 AM
Just got through reading some of the information Tesla gave out in his early years.  Working on illumination at the time using high frequency and high voltage in evacuated bulbs he was convinced that in order to get the most efficient lighting effect you need to get "bombardment" of a block of carbon with it's own "atoms or molecules".  The Tesla bulb discussed at both lectures to the English and American societies of electrical engineers dealt heavily with this subject.
Tesla's filament was a block of carbon at the end of a platinum lead in mounted in the center of the bulb.  The electrostatic field was varied with potentials of 0-300,000 volts in microseconds. The tube was evacuated.  The bulb was a one wire lead in and did not operate due to phloresence nor was it due to filament heating. Tesla could have been bombarding his carbon filament with it's own free electrons by rapid oscillation of the electric field surrounding the bulb. Out of the carbon then bang right back into the carbon.  Beta and neutrinos out beta and neutrinos back in.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: sigma16 on September 08, 2010, 10:42:55 PM
http://www.rexresearch.com/koldomsv/koldomsv.htm

http://www.martincwiner.com/over-unity-cavetation-water-heater/

http://www.vk2zay.net/comment/157

http://www.handyman-source.com/8737/stan-meyers-estate-water-fuel-cell-2/

http://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=22507&sid=f9b95079db2e7787e6f69986f27b3aed

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:QUqL-LIdvmwJ:forum.allaboutcircuits.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D24483%26page%3D2+cavitation+quarktoo&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

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One of the things they are trying to suppress is cavitation and how it converts mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass via electron clustering and subsequent electron cascade as a result of a amplification of speed as the electron clusters repel. Ties right into that law of force violation. One of the unreleased Meyer drawings shows a permanent magnet being used. Hum...

Look at what occurs when a tansistor avalanches, electron cascade.  Not considered OU (secondary emiision) but you get a shitload of current out that you didn't put in.

 
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: Doctor No on December 30, 2010, 09:23:18 PM
Can you elaborate on this statement?
Yes of course, i see time came to explain this. To understand all, You have first to think, from where the forces comes (are born). I mean specially this force, which pushes us against window in car during accident. I have written about already today, in other topic: this power (antigravity) which pushes us not only in such situation, but also through time and space, comes really from our bodies intern (with overlight speed going-overunity) life. We wanted to prove this in experiment last summer, but after this silly accident with our President Kachynsky (auch eine  gut maskierte Jude) we had no possibility to make it in such situation.  One of first who will not only hear (as HVL and Koala from Austral Land) but also see it, will be Herr Randy.                                           In Name von unsere heilige Fuhrer Karl "Der Onkel" Woytyla                                              Dr Adolf Nowak                             
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: CrazyFox on March 09, 2011, 02:48:15 AM
Nozzle jet flow of hydrogel and dielectrophoretic migration of charge to aqueous NaBH4 micelles to create magnetron resonance in cavitation double shell plasma cluster (IEC) to fusion B11-p+H. This drove the Clem Engine steam/oil fractions expansion that drove the otherwise hydraulic motor. Aneutronic fusion produces 3He and x-rays. Where does the charge come from? Helical drag pump inductive charging of the hydrogel in vortex flow in open to case channels. The pump was surplus Schauberger pump from his visit to the US. Surplus in that the two pump available were ME-109 cooling pumps originally.
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on March 09, 2011, 03:05:27 AM
CrazyFox
Well I agree with most of that except for this part!
Quote:
Helical drag pump inductive charging of the hydrogel in vortex flow in open to case channels.
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No way!!
Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: ramset on March 09, 2011, 06:47:57 PM
CrazyFox
Thank you for the Email!
I appreciate that.
Chet
Title: Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
Post by: mscoffman on March 11, 2011, 10:00:54 PM
@CrazyFox;

I am thinking that the Clem engine is another CF cold fusion variation
like the Italian Rossi Reactor. I have felt this way since I read the
article below on the Koldamasov CF cavitation device.

I postulated that the CF cold fusion side reaction that processes the
C carbon atoms in the target does so in a radiogenic fashion unlike D
deuterium reaction, ie. it generates actual ionizing radiation.

The thing is it is probably possible the CF reaction involving adding a CF
nucleon to Carbon and the B+p boron aneutronic fusion both result in
excited Carbon nuclei. I know Eric J. Learner of Lawrenceville Plasma
Physics Inc. said that the boron + proton fusion does result in such a
short lived Carbon nucleus.  In  other words if the gamma radiation
came from an unstable Carbon nucleus then both methods may produce
the same gamma radiation spectrum.

Also that sonofusion experiment using carbon bearing benzene also
claimed to have seen ionizing radiation.

So I think Cold Fusion is a simpler and the much more likely explanation
rather than the very high initiation energy of a B+p aneutronic fusion
reaction as a basis of the Clem engine.

---

See sections #’s 18. and 19. below on Russian scientist; A.I. Koldamasov;

http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2008/NET27.shtml

Further speculation of connectivity between the Clem Engine and A.I. Koldamasov;

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/37446/A-Clem-Engine-derived-Fusion-Turbine

:S:MarkSCoffman