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Author Topic: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?  (Read 91058 times)

sparks

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #120 on: January 23, 2009, 04:56:58 PM »
   There are a couple of ways to get ozone.  (imagine ozone in a fuel cell electron transport sheme)  Buy an ultraviolet light or a corona discharge unit.  Both produce ionizing phenomenon.   Problem is that there is very little attention paid to the magnetic field around these units to manipulate the ions.  Well if I run out of fuel this winter I can always just get some thermal energy burning air.   Burnt some water in my microwave the other day but it was mostly a light show not alot of heat.
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #121 on: January 24, 2009, 12:30:54 AM »
Sparks
speaking of burning water and a lot more

http://www.browngas.com/eng_bestkorea/history_1.htm

 An HHO heater the inventor infers he has running overunity

HHO burning in a torch quite cool 400, 600F

Put that same flame on a piece of MANGANESE OR TITANIUM  3200F

This guy did the obvious , plus got the cell pumping  MUCHO gas

Checkout his patents

 Chet
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ramset

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #122 on: January 25, 2009, 03:09:11 PM »
For sale in Korea [South]

His patents

This patent will be of interest

US 6,761,558 Heating apparatus using thermal reaction of brown gas

US 6,397,834 Brown gas heating furnace made of mineral stone
 Chet
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sparks

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #123 on: January 25, 2009, 03:55:09 PM »
   @Ramset

      When hydrogen and oxygen combine they condense or occupy less space very quickly. This process leaves the space around them voided of vibration / heat.  The metals are full of vibrations/heat potential.  The current which flows is a current that flows between any two points of different emwave density.  The metal heats up as a result of the resistance of the metal to this current.

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      Any way to cause cavitation in a diode.  Like smacking it with a pulse of reverse biased dc and the "holes" migrate towards the cathode and coalesce in the crystal then relax the dc and see what pops out.  Something like an activated solar array instead of passive.  Giving the photons a bigger target than migrating electrons.  Make like a photon suckerupper and spitter outter.  Maybe get the plasma jet directed at the cathode and a little fusion happening there.  Need a good cathode though because I think most metals are gonna go away.
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #124 on: January 25, 2009, 04:05:18 PM »
Sparks
Are you describing the browns gas flame as a current?
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sparks

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #125 on: January 25, 2009, 04:27:37 PM »
    @Ramset

    It's more of a density change event than a thermal or electrical event.    Take a bottle of hydrogen and air and put a match to it.  It doesn't explode in fact you can put a reed across the mouth of the bottle and you can get a very high pitched shreek as the air rushes into the bottle through the reed.  If you monitor the temperature of the bottle before and after the implosion.  Your bottle is gonna be colder than it was before the reaction.  This is because all the heat there was is now inside the water moleucle instead of randomized gas moleucle vibratory state.
   This current is what drives a fuel cell.  The water is split using a heated piece of platinum to break the bonds.  The hydrogen ions migrate towards the detonation spot and the electrons migrate towards the detonation spot through the load.  You get a little thermal energy out of the deal because of shock waves but the implosion is all density polarization driven.  Like a blackhole sucking in stars though a giant resistor.
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #126 on: January 26, 2009, 05:56:18 PM »
   Cavitation device look at  a blackhole.  Imagine the fusion going on in there.  Some blackholes spin a little and get polarized and blam out comes a whole new galaxy to swirl back in.  Only thing left around a blackhole is iron remnants from the Suns cores.  I have yet to figure that one out.  Gotta be iron is able to respond to some other field stronger than the G's around a blackhole.  Maybe iron wraps an antigravity field around itself.  I dunno.

   Ozone is damn electronegative.  It loves to pickup a hydrogen anywhere it can get it's hands on it.  That's why it's a great sanitizer.  Dissolves the bugs protein chains.  In water it forms the oh- radical tears the crap out of protein chains. HMMM.  Maybe that is Meyers ionized gass he introduces in his injectors.  No wonder he needs the good stuff.   Tesla said that radiation burns were from ozone.  Well if you got this neutron cavitation whole shot into your skin and it ionizes the tissues and produces ozone maybe he was right and the egghead doctors said oh no those are radiation burns having no clue what radiation is.  Ozone cells also burn air.  You gotta be careful what you put in there or you get this electrially conductive nitrous oxide film that shorts out the cell.  I'm just wondering what putting a little watta in there will do if it isnt allowed to short out the cell.   We know we are gonn get ozone and maybe a little hydrogen but the field needs to classify them real fast before the ozone recaptures the hydrogen.  Maybe a strong magnetic field would help the dispersion process?  Or rattle that field with some sonic input to boost up that free hydrogen into other molecular arrangements.
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #127 on: January 27, 2009, 12:56:37 AM »
Quote from: TheBuzz on January 26, 2009, 04:12:15 PM
Sparks,

A tunnel diode is a cavitation device. Look how it is constructed, then compare that to a water hammer. A tunnel diode produces negative resistance through cavitation.

How about this one:

The cris- crossed carbon fiber negsistor? Notice how the the fibers cause cavitation by the sudden change in direction of electrical flow? That is how Tesla's manifold produced cavitation - sudden change in direction of flow.

Cavitation is taking place all around you. In fact, I suspect every atom is doing it. Where is comes into play in a free energy device is with higher orders of cavitation. For example - we could make a nice bang by igniting some O3, but when we ignite O4, much bigger bang.

My grandpa used to blow stumps by pouring oil in a trench around a stump and then tipping a jar of liquid oxygen tied to a string over and allowing the two to mix. Liquide oxygen has plenty of O4 in it.

I wonder why Meyer's brother in law didn't name his company hydrogen power but instead named it oxygen power? You don't suppose that air/gas processor was an ozone generator do you? Or how about the photo of the dune buggy and that strange container with the flat plates in it. Suppose that was an ozone generator?

Easy way to find out since ozone is easy to make and a pond fogger is 20 bucks.

Bottom line - cavitation is the holy grail of free energy devices.

Doesn't Oxygen have a tendency to group into glubules of atoms?
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sparks

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #128 on: January 27, 2009, 01:28:19 AM »
  @Grumpy

     No idea.  I always thought it was just a diatomic moleucle sharing a couple of electrons with a pretty straightforward bond angle.
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #129 on: January 27, 2009, 05:15:36 PM »
 @Grumpy


    Hmmm.  The lack of -charge carriers in the ionizing field seems critical in establishing molecular bonds of high energy.  If this can be viewed as electrons in a plasmic matter state we need to get them out of the field of influence of the neucleide field.  Otherwise upon relaxation of the ionizing potential the electrons return to the neuclide field and the plasma collapses back into molecular bonding at less energetic bond parameters.   I can see where you are coming from who the hell needs hydrogen to bust down something like 07 that shit will bust down looking at it.
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #130 on: January 30, 2009, 08:22:52 PM »
St Buzz

User's Lanmastered and Feynman along with others were working on this particular problem here

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=11323;sa=showPosts

Havn't heard from Lan since August His Email is in his profile [A good soul]

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #131 on: January 30, 2009, 09:58:57 PM »
Not true resonance - just oscillation - Meyer said so himself.

Something that is force-excited will resonate at it's own frequency.  ;)
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #132 on: January 30, 2009, 10:25:22 PM »
     If you get the kicks up there like way up there in the gamma territory most mass resonance must get a little disresonant.  Buzz said Meyer was talking an accelerator.   He make himself a tabletop accelerator like the newfangled cavitated selfpinching plasma wave thing a ma jiggas?  The particles surf the excited plasma waves reaching damn near the speed of light.  Very little input energy.  Lots of acceleration.  Makes cern look like the biggest boondogle of all time when you can get it all in the size of a suitcase.
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #133 on: January 31, 2009, 02:43:56 AM »
impact excitation

force excitation

look at a tuning fork - you strike it and it resonates at it's own frequency

Spark gap transmitters operate this way too.

Excite the molecules - this is all that is required.
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ramset

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #134 on: January 31, 2009, 07:11:10 PM »
Gentlemen
I have to post this

Is it possible to get more out than in

http://www.browngas.com/eng_bestkorea/history_1.htm

 An HHO heater the inventor/seller infers he has running overunity

HHO burning in a torch quite cool 300F in atmosphere

Put that same flame on a piece of MANGANESE OR TITANIUM  3200F

10 times more out than in!!

This guy did the obvious , plus got the cell pumping  MUCHO gas

Checkout his patents

Im trying to get my brain around this Korean fellows Heating device

For sale in Korea [South]


This patent will be of interest

US 6,761,558 Heating apparatus using thermal reaction of brown gas

US 6,397,834 Brown gas heating furnace made of mineral stone
 
Can someone explain the ten fold increase in heat?

Is this a red herring? or can we recapture some of the costs to produce this gas by utilizing this anomaly

The way the Koreans are doing

We may not need to get all scary with 04 and squishing  water etc etc so much

IS it possible she has given us enough already [mother nature?]

This Korean that studied with Yule Brown seems to think so
         Chet
BTW

THESE  Hydrogen  HEATERS DON"T NEED VENTING, ALL HEAT DOES WORK[ Warms your ass]
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