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Author Topic: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?  (Read 78515 times)

Offline Grumpy

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Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« on: January 01, 2009, 02:49:22 AM »
This is a discussion thread for "Cavitation" and whether it may, or may not, be the underlying mechanism in many, if not all, free energy deivices.

Attached is a document that may harness field cavitation to produce excess energy:

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2009, 07:53:10 AM »
AS I mentioned in the former, and now "locked" topic, compression out-weighs rarefaction - you just compress it and keep it moving from one point to another - like in a circle.

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2009, 04:50:55 PM »
  In the torroidal core pulsed by the solenoid.  Would one expect a magnetic wave to circumnavigate the ring.  (more probably two)    The ferrite under the direct influence of the input solenoid transmitting it's magnetic dipole alignment through the ring core at some velocity.  The magnetic dipole moments of the core are then becoming relavent to the surrounding and permeating magnetic field at a frequency determined by the diameter of the core.  Could this wave be influenced to increase in velocity by the ambient magnetic field flow.  All this electronic migration  (1000mph angular 67,000mph linear) relavent to the magnetic field of the sun surely doesn't go unheeded by the electromagnetic force field we find ourselves a part of.  The detachment of the wave energy from the inertial field of the mass allows a relativity to this earth field not afforded by mechanical means. 

    Best to all in 2009!!!

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2009, 06:33:40 PM »
@Grumpy

Thanks for your doc. It is such a good text book type explanations that leads one in a good progression from simple to more complicated coiling schemes. I will keep it handy.

@TheBuzz

My question is "How do you see this cavitation taking place between a primary and secondary winding of a coil" or, are you mainly referring to physical cavitation like when as a kid in a pool we would cup our hands and hit the water hard making the water spurt upwards. Hmmmm I still do that. lol

I would like to learn more for your ideas on this but specifically relevant to the electrical interchanges that we here are mainly involved in.

@sparks

Glad to see someone else talking about the Earth's speed in orbit since we and all our devices are moving in the same direction. Something that has been a point of personal interest is how the magnetic field reacts on the Earths surface given the orbital speed of the Earth. I made this quick diagram and ask a question. What would you say is the answer? I wonder what such a test would really show when turning at 67,000mph.

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2009, 07:31:29 PM »
@wattsup

     I don't want to cloud this new thread so grumpy please excuse this post.
The electromagnetic exchange between the sun and earth I believe is responsible for alot more of how things are around here then gravity.  If it was possible to take the Sun out of the picture entirely alot of folks believe the planets would just take straight off into parts unknown.  Obviously centrepedal force or angular momentum is not considered in these thought experiments.  The second observation is that no planets orbit the poles of the sun.  Obviously there is some type of magnetic play between the planets and the Sun.  Gravity may keep you in the ball park but angular momentum through the Sun's magnetic field seems to be more of a stronger force then gravity.   Unfortunately the Sun's magnetic field is a very unstable one and those frigging sunspots are coming around to emp us again.  What happens with a coronal mass ejection  (and cosmic mass ejections) is a change in the entire magnetic saturation parameters of the planet.  Transformers go over the top etc.  This could be enough to account for geomagnetic pole shifts as the Earth's dynamo responds to the new exciter magnetic fields.  I have a feeling that the MHD properties of a plasma current in a spark gap become relavent to the MHD properties of the spinning ball we sit on.
Tesla loved these currents he called spinning brushes he would develop in vacuum tubes.  Noticing that they would respond to the slightest emwave energy.
Perhaps he made larger ones in helical coils that would  input energy from the mhd currents setup in the spinning glowing plasma ball we call Earth.  Well enough theory and outside to shovel the damn white stuff.  Cold energy galore sitting in the driveway this morning.
    I do like that experiment you have there.  Reminds me of Tesla's brushes but mechanical.

       Modify:

    The reason they spin space craft is not because of overheating it's due to the electrostatic polarization of the skin of the craft.  Tends to short out alot of the electronics aboard if they don't.  Glad mother Earth spins too or we would be getting a hell of alot more lightning strikes around here.  Like ones wrapping 1/2 way round the globe of lets say unbelievable currents.  Venus is getting into serious problems cause it's rotating the wrong way and it's day is getting as long as it's year as she slows down.
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2009, 12:16:04 AM »
All

A tremendous amount of info to absorb, has been posted here
Thank you
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2009, 04:15:49 AM »
Saw this and thought of this thread. Perhaps it sparks some interest.

http://www.hydrodynamics.com/technology_review.htm

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2009, 08:14:14 AM »
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=6209299&page=1  Sharkskin allows sharks to swim faster!

...just thought that I would point that out, it seems to have a bit to do with cavitation.

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2009, 03:20:39 PM »
Lookin' good Buzz.

I never devoted enough time to deciphering Thane's thread, but I think you have it figured out.

So, the HV coil is the center coil and "shorted" - then why is it called a HV coil?

Do you have a diagram of how it all works?  or can you point my to one?

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2009, 04:00:02 PM »
I think I understand how it all works and can come up with something that would work way better and be more simple and cheaper but I'll keep it under my hat until I get it built and proven out. Thane is a Canadian, a lousy poet and hasn't done anything for me lately. I got a three strikes and you are out policy here. :-)

When he posted that his build "just stopped working" - I tried to hint how things can get pattened in the wrong way and no longer work and that this will dissipate naturally (by leaving it alone, preferable outside in the sun by itself) or by using HV and coils to "degauss" it - he just ignored me.  If this is really the case then I suspect that he is invoking something that he doesn't know exists, and that puts this in a new perspective.

In any even, asymetrical fields may be of some use.  ;)

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2009, 05:40:24 PM »
How sweet would that be, proof of theory and concept[course I don't see the fat lady yet]
No grass growing under you feet Buzz!!
   Chet
PS As far as poets at OU, until recently Thane was one of our best!!

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2009, 07:09:15 PM »
Sherlock Holmes is still the best poet - man, that was a good thread.

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2009, 07:58:49 PM »
What gases are formed during cavitation (hydrogen  and oxygen ?) and can these gases be siphoned off.
What if you built an enclosed system with a propeller and siphoned of the gases.


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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2009, 09:27:04 PM »
Dave
I believe you refer to mechanical cavitation

There are several types

User AbbaRue posted

Fusion is only one form of Cavitation.

The transmutation of elements is another, which I understand has been clearly proven.

A third would be Magnetohydrodynamics (MHD) which is behind spark gaps.
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and I am sure there are others
  Chet PS Grumpy did you put a forwarding address at the end of the last thread ?

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2009, 09:54:09 PM »
maybe something along these lines

 

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