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Author Topic: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?  (Read 78591 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #90 on: January 16, 2009, 03:03:03 PM »
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Beautiful build!! [but you already knew that]

 I don't see a place for the duct tape??
 
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #91 on: January 17, 2009, 04:01:23 PM »
@Buzz

    That motor you picture is how Tesla wanted electric motors to be with the b field of the coils being utilized.   The shorted coils respond to the magnetic flux density change within the core which induces a current in the coil that opposes or cancels the magnetic flux change inside it's core.  This causes a magnetic field density shift from the area of the core which is uninhibited towards the "shading coil" area.
This magnetic density shift is always in the same direction no matter which way the current in the line coil is produced.  The shading coil is of very low impedance because it has to do it's thing within one ac cycle.  If this coil was of very fine wire the motor would not run.  Because the shading coil current would flow long after it was needed to change the magnetic flux shift in the laminations.

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #92 on: January 17, 2009, 04:44:37 PM »
That would make more sense, now I see the vortex - natures other accelerator.

and the cavitation?

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #93 on: January 17, 2009, 04:52:29 PM »
@sparks

Yes sir, I have been pointing to those two copper winds even a few weeks ago on a thread involved in the perpetual magnetic wheel as a means of neutralizing the sticky spot. Oh regarding your post of the wheel a few pages back, funny thing I had designed a wheel a few months back but forgot to post it. I am suffering from too many projects at the same time. lol

Anyways here it is. Should not be a difficult build. My idea is just the opposite, to have the center fixed and outer fixed but the center should have a 15-20 degree rotation capability to adjust and fix the final angle where the outer sticky-spot is overcome by the inner push and vis-versa, always pushing the center rotor so it can turn counter clockwise.

Sorry if totally off topic.

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #94 on: January 17, 2009, 06:05:18 PM »
@ Grumpy
I believe Acceleration[extreme] also causes cavitation

 Speaking of acceleration!!! Codename "Shkval-Torpedo": Super-cavitation is a loop-hole in physics
                                     5400 kph underwater
http://www.articlesextra.com/supercavitation-torpedoes.htm [From the BUZZ collection on page 11]

 I know this is not what you meant Grumpy but its cool
   Chet
« Last Edit: January 17, 2009, 06:25:40 PM by ramset »

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #95 on: January 17, 2009, 06:32:55 PM »
@Grumpy

   Damn low pressure area inside a hurricane eye.

@ Wattsup

    Picture below is a side and top angle of the magnet motor.  It's how a dc motor conductor produces torque.  The vortexing magnetic field around a current carrying conductor in a static magnetic field causes a magnetic flux differential field on either side of the conductor.  The conductor's mass is then propelled by this realtivity in the magnetic field to fill the void it perpectuly creates in the direction of motion.  The current carrying conductor can be replaced with a permanent magnet that creates the vortex magnetic field about itself like it was carrying 25 or more amps.  By arranging the field magnets in a ring instead of facing each other there is no need for commutation of the current flowing in the conductor.  This allows for the use of a permanent magnet instead of a coil whose current must be shorted and restablished upon each 1/2 rotation.
    There is no sticky spots just a magnetic sailboat heading straight upwind.

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #96 on: January 18, 2009, 05:01:07 AM »
The more I work with this Thane Heins coil the more Linderman is correct when he stated that it is a hysteresis brake. That does not mean it can't be used to make a motor run faster.

Thane is either not doing his homework or not posting all the information from what I see. The triac  disconnects the induction from mains so the motor is able to spin faster. Does that mean that the overall torque of the motor goes up? Not sure, don't have a dyno to play with. One thing I am sure of is that a motor is inefficient and there is room for improvement and I suspect hysteresis braking is a place where improvement could be made.

On the toroid video Thane posted, he did not measure current output, only the voltage. This does not give a measurement of the power being produced as the people in the Young thread either did or will eventually figure out. A 50,000 volt taser runs on a 9 volt battery but that does not mean it is a free energy device.

Buzz, anyone...

Has Thane posted a schematic or block diagram outlining what he is doing exactly? I've seen a few videos, but no diagrams, so either I've missed it (which is possible as I have not followed his thread all that closely), or there isn't one. A link anyone?

Thanks,
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
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« Reply #97 on: January 18, 2009, 06:09:12 AM »
Exactly right on the nose. While I was building that stupid E core form I thought why is that Canadian using an e-core when this could just be done on a solonoid way better. About then I looked on his youtube channel and see that he has gone that way. Lucky for me I had only wound one coil and had not cut the wire off the spool so I put the wire back on the spool and wrote off that project.

The aspect of all this that is interesting to me is how Meyer was using it in his VIC. All that energy being squeezed into a smaller amount of time is a pulse compression. What Hawking claimed would produce zero point energy.

My first impression of Meyer is he was using compression, then I get side tracked but always come back to that. That adjustable choke with shorted coil is as key a piece of the Meyer puzzle as anything that has come along thus far IMO.

Meyer's adjustable coil appears the same as Tesla's regulator coil which I think he used to match the impedance of his magnifier to the supply.  I was working toward this end today and found that it increases the effects.

It's funny that everyone still talks of zero point, not knowing that Harmuth got rid of it.   On the other hand "time", or should we say the field that represents "time" is the way.

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #98 on: January 18, 2009, 03:28:42 PM »
      Inside a solenoid that closes in on itself we have a peculiar happening.  We know there is some magnetic anomaly going on in there  because if we open it up a metal plunger will get sucked into it when we energise the solenoid.  Now the ab effect shows us that a solenoid winding closed on itself  effects the space outside it's sphere of influence.  Those who have watched Steven Marks videos will note the peculiar way he uses the ammeter.  Almost like he was measuring a current between space and his solenoid.  Then there is his 5khz output signal.  The 1/2 wavelength of a 5kz cycle is the same length as the distance the Earth travels in the same interval relative to the magnetic field of the Sun.  Say we got some kinda magnetic monopole going and this monopole is getting dragged at 67,000 miles an hour through the magnetic field of the Sun.  I'm wondering if there isn't some kinda bfield acceleration possible inside the torroid.

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #99 on: January 19, 2009, 06:03:24 PM »
What is a resonant charging choke supposed to do?

On the toroid, the secondary is between the primaries and the resonant charging chokes are where the secondray should be in a regular transformer, and the secondary is connected to the chokes - all on the same core.

Putting on the wading pants...
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The VIC circuit of Figure 10 also includes a ferromagnetic or ceramic ferromagnetic pulsing core capable of producing electromagnetic flux lines in response to an electrical pulse input. The flux lines equally affect the secondary coil and the resonant charging choke windings. Preferably, the core is a closed loop construction. The effect of the core is to isolate the water capacitor and to prevent the pulsing signal from going below an arbitrary ground and to maintain the charge of the already charged water and water capacitor.

In the pulsing core, the coils are preferably wound in the same direction to maximize the additive effect of the electromagnetic field therein.

The magnetic field of the pulsing core is in synchronization with the pulse input to the primary coil. The potential from the secondary coil is introduced to the resonant charging choke(s) series circuit elements which are subjected to the same synchronous applied electromagnetic field, simultaneously with the primary pulse.


Closed core?

Resonant?  Perhaps not in the way most think of...

Sounds like he is pumping energy into the water and then letting it idle for a short time, then pumping again.  The cell is a circular capacitor with water dielectric - not a typical setup for electrolysis of any sort.

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Shape and size of the resonant cavity may vary. Larger resonant cavities and higher rates of consumption of water in the conversion process require higher frequencies such as up to 50 KHz and above. The pulsing rate, to sustain such high rates of conversion must be correspondingly increased.


That doesn't sound like LC resonance.


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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #100 on: January 19, 2009, 06:49:13 PM »
    Most chokes block ac by impeding their progression through a circuit and expend the energy of the traveling wave into magnetic core saturating.  A resonant choke I guess would start bouncing ac back and forth in a portion of the circuit possibly producing a standing wave of some sort.  I'm just guessing here.

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« Reply #101 on: January 19, 2009, 06:55:03 PM »
The secret, if there is one, lies in the "extra energy" that Meyer spoke of.

Would the chokes keep this "extra energy" from going back through?

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« Reply #102 on: January 20, 2009, 04:53:57 PM »
      Meyer talks about the resonant frequency of the water.  Never names it says it's all over the place etc.   Infrared emwaves are absorbed by watermolecules.  This usually results in heat or kinetic energy of molecules.  If a condition persisted that allowed this adsorption of emwave energy to result in an electrical gain instead of an inertial gain the watermolecule would become a receiving antennae and act accordingly.  The polarized water molecule therefore not moving around randomly but acting as an energy sucking antennae.  The acstanding wave field produced by the water molecule dipole antennae increasing in size in the near field of the water molecule.  This initial excitation of the water molecule now virtually expands the watermolecule to absorb a greater #of emwaves which intensifies the standing wave field currents.  At some point the standing wave field currents disrupt the hydrogen bond and the antennae melts so to say.  The standing wave field falls apart and returns this energy to the near field where it is made available for recycle into the next receiver molecule.
    I have noticed by experimentation that water is able to convert long wave length em wave energy into higher frequency em wave energy.  The exact mechanism is not yet understood by myself.

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« Reply #103 on: January 21, 2009, 03:51:46 PM »
Thanks Buzz - I am trying a completely different approach now.


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« Reply #104 on: January 22, 2009, 03:26:55 PM »
I don't think it is fusion per se but here is another clue.

Many people reported that the reaction took about 30 seconds to start. So do most gas discharge lamps.

The voltages are in range, the amperage is in range, the process of converting electrons to photon is there, the discharge lamp is a cavitation device and so that requirement is met, the missing heat mystery solved, what the tungsten filament was about, the circuit that drove it is the exact circuit you would use, why Meyer's alternator had a high voltage side, why the shorted coil in the VIC to increase pulse amplitude, etc. It is all there.

It looks to me like Meyer's circuit is all about making the gas discharge lamp run cool and have a long life. A mercury vapor lamp may fill the requirements and can be bought for 10 bucks.

The fusion link is unrelated.

Meyer did not use the discharge lamp on early devices, or any light source.

30 seconds is about the time it would take to prime the pump - so to speak.

Gas discharge lamp is also a source of UV - Natures Great Disintegrator  ;D

Why did Meyer need such current-limiting/consuming devices when he could have just limited it at the supply?




 

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