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Author Topic: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?  (Read 78569 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #75 on: January 14, 2009, 02:15:41 PM »
Fred

Your Statement

So when I understand the process of cavitation correct, we are only "destroying" matter to convert it into energy

I know the Buzz is busy
 
Your word destroy is not a good one for this process

Cavitation creates' Change,' only during the process

Chet

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #76 on: January 14, 2009, 02:21:55 PM »
Fred

Your Statement

So when I understand the process of cavitation correct, we are only "destroying" matter to convert it into energy

I know the Buzz is busy
 
Your word destroy is not a good one for this process

Cavitation creates' Change,' only during the process

Chet


So will we see a decrease in weight of this body ?
When you say that it will only creates ' Change during the process ' will the created energy again recombine to matter ?

Thank you for your reply !

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #77 on: January 14, 2009, 10:45:16 PM »
Buzz
 Can you post a link to the locked thread please[ The one you started I can't find it]
Thank you
 Chet
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Any comments I make  would not be relevant to the theory [I would just be talking out of my ass]
Hopefully Buzz will have the time to post the link
« Last Edit: January 14, 2009, 11:08:33 PM by ramset »

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #78 on: January 14, 2009, 11:44:50 PM »
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every verified free energy device used cavitation to convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass

First, what is "mass"?

Second, what is energy?

I ask, because the way conventional physicist answer these two questions leads to a confusing end.

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #79 on: January 15, 2009, 12:55:47 AM »
I see, Grumpy answered my question. Is that TheBuzz nick used by Grumpy? Or what?

No.  Buzz and I are physically different people.

I took the liberty of responding because Buzz had already stated that information was exchanged between himself and the craft from a distance of 50 feet.  There was no mention of an instrumental means of communication and it is widely rumored that other beings are "telepathic".  If you assume that Buzz is not telepathic, then perhaps the exchanged information audibly.  It doesn;t really matter though.

If the craft were piloted by humans, what need or desire would there be to exchange information?

Why a craft at all? - humans could just walk up and talk to Buzz directly.

Maybe he is just bullshitting us.  That is what everyone probably thinks anyway. 

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #80 on: January 15, 2009, 04:12:20 AM »
       In transverse electrical wave theory there is said to be a flow of electrical current that produces a magnetic current and the phase displacement between these two determines the frequency.  This wave travel is limited to the speed of light.  This then infers that the dielectric current and magnetic current must be able to flow at superluminal speeds.  Perhaps gravity is a dielectric current between polarized space.  The poles are created by how much fixed energy manifests in this space.

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« Reply #81 on: January 15, 2009, 03:03:28 PM »
Also Grumpy - I am not bullshitting anyone about anything regarding flying disks. I took people to the landing site for ten years afterward and you could plainly see how the plants twisted individually, how they grew is a swirl, the three landing pod marks and the dirt would float if you threw it in water near by since it was baked or something and would not absorb water.

I didn't see or talk to any ET's but have a rather profound psychic ability. Just last week I told my wife that my favorite uncle was going to die. I got the phone call the next day telling me that he had died the day before. I didn't even know he was ill. Not going to go into it as I stated but I don't have a credibility problem in regards to the psychic ability or anywhere else for that matter. What you see is what you get.

The only reason that I brought up the spacecraft was it shows what separating two coulombs of energy into that 100 tons of force is capable of.

Keep posting those cavitation examples and if you know of a free energy device without cavitation PLEASE post that - nobody has yet.

I was being sarcastic towards the trolls about bullshitting with the ET stuff.  I have no reason to doubt.  Abilities explains a lot.


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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #82 on: January 15, 2009, 04:25:25 PM »
    @Buzz



     Shit ya on the capacitor press.  Put a piezo electric layer in there and squeeze it good.   Or fly around like a piece of dust in an air purifier.

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #83 on: January 15, 2009, 04:33:58 PM »
 Chet does'nt like jumping around when he studies  Sorry   
      [and I erased all my pm's to give back the bandwidth]       
                         
                       THE BUZZ INFO
CAVITATION - What all all free energy devices have in common
« on: December 18, 2008, 01:59:16 PM »
   
It would begin with the assumption that the universe is comprised of energy. If I had to make a guess, I suspect that half the energy in the universe is in the form of mass and half is in the form of space. Mass is energy that is compressed, spinning and polarized.

Explaining how energy is compressed into matter is probably best done by taking a field trip to the website of Milo Wolf http://quantummatter.com/articles/see_an_electron.html

and looking at a image of the galaxy we live in.

http://www2.lns.mit.edu/~LQS/Milky_Way_galaxy_sun05.jpg

Our universe is made of fractals and surely the reason that if you expand Mandelbrot's equation out to the size of the universe, you begin to see images of snow covered mountains, trees and other things we see everyday. If you truly want to know the shape of the universe, look in a mirror. Edgar Cayce and the law of probability should be required reading for anyone wanting a better understanding of the cosmos.

Free energy:
The term free energy creates a reaction with an educated person since it implies energy from nothing. This of course is impossible and silly and so the reaction is justified.

A better term would be "economic free energy". Since a gallon of water contains the atomic energy equivalent, equal to the chemical equivalent of millions of barrels of oil, the gallon of water would represent economic free energy.

The best term would be mass to atomic energy converter. Since all free energy devices do just that. Energy does not come from nothing - no exceptions.
 
Zero Point:
Notice nowhere in that simple equation E=MC2 is there anything that represents aether or zero point? I am going to stick with my own experience and some of the best scientific minds on Earth. Of course there is a zero point and of course there is less than a zero point. It would be impossible to have a black hole without less than zero and so everything in between exists as well. It has nothing to to do with free energy.

Aether:
The aether field was measured and observed by Dayton Miller using light-beam interferometry in the early part of the 1900s to measure an Earth-entrained aether drift.

Many scientist assumed and wrote of the existence of the aether field which included Crookes, Lodge, Faraday, Michelson, Moorley, Miller, Tesla, Reich and even Einstein.

Einstein later denied the aether field and this is confirmed in a letter he wrote to Shankland thanking him for disproving Miller. In the letter Einstein acknowledged that the existence of the aether would invalidate special relativity.


"Dear Dr. Shankland:
I thank you very much for sending me your careful study about the Miller experiments. Those experiments, conducted with so much care, merit, of course, a very careful statistical investigation. This is more so as the existence of a not trivial positive effect would affect very deeply the fundament of theoretical physics as it is presently accepted.

You have shown convincingly that the observed effect is outside the range of accidental deviations and must, therefore, have a systematic cause. You made it quite probable that this systematic cause has nothing to do with 'ether-wind', but has to do with differences of temperature of the air traversed by the two light bundles which produced the bands of interference. Such an effect is indeed practically inevitable if the walls of the laboratory room have a not negligible difference in temperature.
It is one of the cases where the systematic errors are increasing quickly with the dimension of the apparatus.

Congratulating you and your colleagues on your valuable contribution to our knowledge,

I am with kind regards,
A. Einstein"

(31 August 1954)
(contained in Shankland, Applied Optics 1973, p.2283)

Dayton Miller did 10,000 hours of observation of the aether on a mountain near Ashland Oregon. His observations concluded the field moves at 24.5 kilometers per hour across the planet, concentrated between -100 meters below the surface and +300 meters above the surface and departs the planet in the direction of the constellation Leo. It tends to flow around objects like mountains but also flows through them to some extent.

My own thoughts on this are that given the fact that aether has been proven to come from space and return to space reveal that it is sourced by a larger body such as the solar system or the Milky Way Galaxy or perhaps any large body of mass. Daton Miller's experiments indicated that there was an aether drift that also flowed from the Sun.

No boat plies the water as fast as the wind that blows upon the square sail. The aether drift therefor is moving 24.5 kilometers per hour faster than our solar system.

Regardless of what the aether is, it can be said with relative certainty what it is not. Is is not a source of free energy. Mass to atomic energy conversion and the aether drift are two entirely two different subjects.

Converting energy into mass:
Milo Wolf did excellent work describing the science behind energy to mass conversion using a inbound longitudinal wave superimposed over an outbound longitudinal wave. His website is filled with information on the wave structure of matter. http://www.quantummatter.com/

So now that one has a basic understanding that mass is concentrated energy, how it got that way and the state that it exists we look at the opposite of that process.

Converting mass into energy (cavitation):
I have done some research on converting mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass which is the opposite of Milo Wolf but his wave matter structure helps to understand the process of cavitation which destroys that wave structure releasing the atomic energy of the mass.

If you go to Wiki and look up cavitation it begins:

"Cavitation - "Cavitation is defined as the phenomenon..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavitation

Next we look up phenomenon:
http://www.answers.com/topic/phenomenon
"An occurrence, circumstance, or fact that is perceptible by the senses.
An unusual, significant, or unaccountable fact or occurrence; a marvel."

So it is fairly common usage and definition of the word phenomenon that it is something we observe but can't explain.

So to produce a cavitation, we move energy or mass through ambient medium consisting of matter such as a gas, liquid or solid faster than the atoms of that matter can react, in the process drag a pocket (cavity) into that medium.

The ambient matter then collapses that pocket or empty space and like a trillion atom smashers all pointed that the center, the pocket slams back together with the pressure of the ambient matter.

This results in the formation of electron clusters. Electrons do not want to stay clustered (Columb's law) and so they explode back outward with the pressure and speed of atomic energy and knock other electrons free from the ambient matter and produces electron cascade effect.

"Nobody ever thought of using an accelerator before." - Stan Meyer

The energy we place into the process is focused on a much smaller area (the center of the cavity) and when the atomic energy was released from the matter, the energy released included our original input energy that created the cavity and any energy that was released when some of the matter was converted into the atomic energy contained within the mass.

Thermodynamics:
The laws of thermodynamics do not apply to this process. The first three were written by men describing fire and steam engines. Men that had never seen a telephone or an automobile, airplane or even perhaps an electric light. That should relegate thermodynamics to it's proper role in this discussion.

The law of force F=MA:
The law of force has three exceptions, one of which is if the mass is moving at or near the speed of quantum entanglement.

Definition of ambient medium composed of matter (states of matter):
Solids, liquids or gases.

I do not consider a plasma a state of matter since it is a fact that matter is transmuted in a plasma. Matter that is changing is not in a state.

If you look up the definition of plasma:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/state

...and you look at definition 5:
5.  Physics The condition of a physical system with regard to phase, form, composition, or structure: Ice is the solid state of water.

The definition implies a stability or form. Matter that is in a constant state of change does not fit that definition and only serves to relegate the other states of matter to an undefined meaning.

So I feel that a better way to define a plasma is "matter in a state of change."

So in a nutshell...

    * Free energy devices can only do one thing - convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass and cavitation is required to accomplish that.
    * Any mass can be cavitated in any state.
    * Plasma is not a state of matter, it is matter in a state of change due to the fact that it IS a cavitation.

You show me a free energy device that is not an energy receiver and I will show you where a cavitation is taking place.

References organized chronologically:
Dayton Miller's Ether-Drift Experiments: A Fresh Look by James DeMeo, Ph.D.
Director, Orgone Biophysical Research Lab
Greensprings, PO Box 1148, Ashland, Oregon 97520 USA.
Tel/Fax: 541-552-0118
E-mail to: info(at)orgonelab.org
http://www.orgonelab.org/miller2.htm

Milo Wolf - Quantum Matter
http://www.quantummatter.com

EXAMPLES OF CAVITATION

This list will be updated from time to time so check back.

Cavitation of a fluid

The Pistol Shrimp
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc

Self running free energy machine
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qhwQt1tJYa8

Ultrasonic Cavitation
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0oNZcLyCR_Q&NR=1

Propeller Cavitation
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KExSxt-lo5c&NR=1

Snapping Shrimp
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ONQlTMUYCW4

Sonoluminescence
http://keelytech.com/sonoluminescence.html

Codename "Shkval-Torpedo": Super-cavitation is a loop-hole in physics
http://www.articlesextra.com/supercavitation-torpedoes.htm

Producing nuclear fusion with the help of cavitation inside a glass of water
http://www.articlesextra.com/cavitation-fusion-nuclear.htm

Overunity free energy water heater from WITS
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxnEQssJ4FQ

John Worrell Keely-dale pond pt1
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TMEpCpzahFY&feature=PlayList&p=A426FDF5BA3CD7FD&index=0

Cavitation and Fusion
http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StringhamRcavitationb.pdf

FUELLESS HEATER NO FUEL NO GAS NO WOOD NO GREEN HOUSE GASES
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_-DUKQ4Uw

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_fusion

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Sonofusion

http://sonofusionjets.com/

Cavitation in Microgravity (Full Movie)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gR0YBAhY2PQ

The Clem Engine
http://www.rexresearch.com/clemengn/clemengn.htm

Yet another example of cavitation:
http://www.emersonprocess.com/fisher/products/severeservice/product_solutions/cavitation_demo/

One form of this cavitation would be the discovery of what is called Universons by Claude Poher located at http://www.universons.com

Here is one of his U2bz.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ajCsSytmnLM

This list could go on and on. The rest will be updated in the near future

Electromagnetic Cavitation:

Electrostatic Cavitation:

Plasma Cavitation
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #84 on: January 15, 2009, 04:53:24 PM »
(some people copy entire posts because they are afraid that they will be deleted later)

Where/how is cavitation occuring in the Tetrahedral device described in this thread?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4297.msg83207#msg83207

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« Reply #85 on: January 15, 2009, 05:16:13 PM »
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« Reply #86 on: January 16, 2009, 01:43:52 AM »
SPECS on cavitation in nature [example of OVERUNITY IN NATURE DUE TO CAVITATION]

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc

The ' Pistol Shrimp / Pistol Crab - Alpheus heterochaelis '
It snaps its claw to create a cavitation bubble that collapses to create a powerful shockwave that stuns prey.
The temperature inside collapsing cavitation bubbles is for an instant higher than that of the sun, and some scientists have investigated the possibility of using this fact to simulate nuclear fusion.
With the help of a special muscle alignment and a sort of squirt-gun barrel they can accelerate a jet of water on short range to more than 90 km/h. When they shoot, the tensed "pincer-valve" snaps down in less than one thousandth of a second. Through this brute acceleration the water particles in the immediate vicinity heat up to more than 4000 (!) degrees Celsius. The resulting ultra hot cavitation-steam-bubble then implodes with a flash of light[PLASMA,, MASS IN TRANSITION} and a bang that at 240 decibels even dwarfs the roar of a jet fighter (about 150 decibels).
       Chet
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« Reply #87 on: January 16, 2009, 02:17:56 AM »
@Grumpy

      Looks like some kinda scaler wave generated electric vortex thingy.  Maybe enough for ionization and some kinda plasma spin field.  Like the protons all piled up in the middle of a funnel and the electrons whirling around the shell of the funnel like bats outta hell.

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« Reply #88 on: January 16, 2009, 02:30:00 AM »
@TheBuzz

One form of this cavitation would be the discovery of what is called Universons by Claude Poher located at http://www.universons.com

Here is one of his U2bz.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ajCsSytmnLM

Unfortunately most of his information is in french but there is still some in english.

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« Reply #89 on: January 16, 2009, 12:17:58 PM »

I take coil A to be the pick up coil and coils X-Y-Z I take to be driver coils?


coils x,y,z are fired sequentially and coil A is fired with each x,y,z coil.

Pickup coil goes in middle slightly above the actual point of intersection.

 

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