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Author Topic: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?  (Read 78575 times)

Offline Grumpy

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #60 on: January 11, 2009, 05:29:23 AM »
Agreed. Once the mass is determined, then the method of cavitation determined and most likely it will involve an isotropic form.

Thane's toroid is a good example. One side is used to reflect and the other side is to absorb with the primary in the middle. So we have a 3D space to create the cavitation (cavity) within.



toroid embodies all three

write that down stupid trolls - it is omega - the beginning

They seek the info not to suppress but to "benefit" but are disparate, can't exactly nuke your neighbor, but you can if you use the "other way"...

Dance assholes, or walk.


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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #61 on: January 11, 2009, 04:31:23 PM »
Smokey @all
The bug still does it for me too  http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc
There is just something about searching for OU, being told bye every science its blasphemy
And this little guy does it for a living. You can watch him do it anytime he wants at the snap of a claw ,
HE ?SHE?IT? brings down the FIRE  5000c Overunity any time you want it already here
Should be our mascot, Firebug ,Thunderclaws
 Chet
PS BUZZ
I believe you said the PAPP engine had a safety issue [by product?]

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2009, 05:23:39 PM »
Behold! The giant mechanical shrimp.
http://www.rohnermachine.com/

The claw is a coil and spark gap, the medium being cavitated is a gas. Now you can get some rest.


hmm,.. familiar story.  product invented 25 yrs ago,.. went from theory, to production, to testing...
nothing ever happened with it.
inventor dies...
and they go back to the design/experimentation stage.... 
what i want to make is a mechanical device, (possibly like the firing mechanism on a handgun?)
        manually operated, that "snaps the claw" at my will.

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2009, 05:25:27 PM »
      I think everyone should understand the velocities involved with collapse or implosion of the bubble.  I think this is the scheme they used as a result of the manhatten project.   The pressure waves as a result of the explosives surrounding the dirty mass caused cavitation to occur and the vacuum bubbles collapsing caused particle acceleration and neuclear fission.  The energy involved with the neuclear enrichment of Uranium to Plutoniom is released in a very time compressed event and boom.  But Buzz has a different deal going on.  While the bubble is sitting there at some very small fraction of atmospheric pressure chemical reactions like boiling and oxyredux reactions occur.  If this is an endothermic process it draws energy from the ambient field.  Then this low pressure steam is subjected to a compressive field accelerating it to velocities approaching the speed of light.  Ionization of the water atoms is the first order of business.  Followed by a complex mix of photon exchange between the now accelerating mass of the neuclei.  Neuclei smashing into each other at near light speed that is being bombarded with xrays is going to result in conversion of mass to energy.  The heat gain of an ultrasonic process is minimal and normally negligible as it is absorbed by the bulk of the fluid but that is not to say that the emwaves emitted by the conversion can not be harnessed more efficiently especially if the magnetic current is in phase with the dielectric current.

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #64 on: January 11, 2009, 06:48:17 PM »
Smokey
funny I was thinking gun also[powerful air guns[can put a nail through 1inch steel]
you seem to know a lot more about the study of the pistol shrimp can you post some links?

It would be interesting to know if they have any velocities ,pressure calculations to work with as a base line
Just to see what forces it takes to do what Sparks is describing [what the shrimp is actually doing]

And since the Buzz pointed out the plasma burst the little guy makes is Mass in transition[I LOVE THAT}
How cool would it be to mechanically replicate this in water!!
Chet

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #65 on: January 11, 2009, 07:31:33 PM »
 @Ramset

    The problem and it's huge is that the power structure of the Earth has known of this technology for eons.  The Earth exploiters have suppressed this technology while they have turned the planet into a total mess.  Plasma engines fueled by almost any scource of emwaves including infrared doable,  low temperature fusion doable,  solar wind thermal on and on can syntheisize hydrogen fuels which become a direct replacement for exploited and unnatural fossil fuel energy conversion.  It may be too late.  The people have to demand reparations from the people who have been killing the Earth since some douche bag figured out how to make a steam kettle turn a wheel.  The locomotive turned into the truck that turned into the passenger car.  Energy technologies always controlled by the same group of greedy ruthless self-serving criminals.  Time to start a court and sue these cocksuckers and grab up all they got.  Their negligence makes Hitler look like a salvation army worker.  They have known since at least the 60's that we would be in the shit we are in now.  THEY ARE GUILTY OF GROSS NEGLIGENCE resulting in death. The neglect of investing in synthetic fuel storage and distribution systems is criminal.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2009, 07:53:05 PM by sparks »

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #66 on: January 12, 2009, 06:57:10 PM »
Sparks
No doubt you are right, suppression maintains status quo

This crisis we find our planet in ,is probably the first time that we as a population are cognizant we can hurt our mother Earth

I also get the feeling these times of hardship and wars[to maintain status quo] will bring out hidden techs
to start correcting this mess
 
I am always intrigued by the history of the Hubbard coil,How the inventor was given the device by what he perceived as an angel

That was almost 100 years ago
.Zooming around a lake developing THIRTYFIVE HORSEPOWER with a coil design GIVEN to him
 By someone I would love to meet

Gentlemen the ball has been rolling for at least a hundred years [this time]
LETS GIVE IT A KICK

Seems this is the way things are supposed to be [an enlightenment to humanity]

AbbaRue
where are you [and your tubes]

I feel like cavitating something!!
Chet

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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #67 on: January 12, 2009, 07:43:43 PM »
i was reading some writing, from tesla, and a few from Otis Carr.

they were under the impression that a form of (scalar waves)
can be propegated through the earths atmosphere.

from what i gathered, this is as simple as pulsing a coil with 6-8 Hz (earth's natural frequency), and recieving the feedback from the ionosphere on a secondary coil.

a steady frequency, will result in constructive interference, aplifying the 8hz signal to ungodly amplitudes.
1 obvous problem that was noted was TOO much power. destroying their equipment, and causing harm to people in the area. not to mention several 'odd' phenomina occuring in towers, and power plants nearby.

one way to prevent this would be to change the phase of the signal 180-degrees, at a given time interval, to bring the amplitude back down to a managable level.

the infamous "tesla coil', is one such device, that when tuned to 8hz, can produce this effect.


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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #68 on: January 13, 2009, 12:42:34 AM »
WE need to establish the medium we will work in
THEN THE BUZZ SAID

Agreed. Once the mass is determined, then the method of cavitation determined and most likely it will involve an isotropic form.

Thane's toroid is a good example. One side is used to reflect and the other side is to absorb with the primary in the middle. So we have a 3D space to create the cavitation (cavity) within.

THEN GRUMPY SAID

toroid embodies all three 

@ Grumpy
 For the idiots guide to cavitation[for my benefit]
could you explain a little about the toroid and all three
Chet

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #69 on: January 13, 2009, 01:19:59 AM »
WE need to establish the medium we will work in
THEN THE BUZZ SAID

Agreed. Once the mass is determined, then the method of cavitation determined and most likely it will involve an isotropic form.

Thane's toroid is a good example. One side is used to reflect and the other side is to absorb with the primary in the middle. So we have a 3D space to create the cavitation (cavity) within.

THEN GRUMPY SAID

toroid embodies all three 

@ Grumpy
 For the idiots guide to cavitation[for my benefit]
could you explain a little about the toroid and all three
Chet

The toroidal shape embodies the three fields that comprise 3 of the 12 parameters that define the universe.

The three fields are: Tempic, electric, magnetic

There are at right angles to each other at 90 degrees.

Tempic is one dimensional, like "scalar", like temperature.  I consider it density.  It falls off with distance.

Electric is two dimensional and is the divergence (to a point) of the tempic field.  (Gravity is a particular form of divergence of the tempic field, so yes it is an electric phenomenon.)  It falls off with distance squared.

Magnetic is three dimensional and is the curl of the tempic field (closed ring). It falls off with distance cubed.

This is all based on the work of Wilbert Smith in his book "The New Science".  If you believe we are the sole form of intelligent life in the universe, then don't bother reading it.  Smith died before he finished it.

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #70 on: January 13, 2009, 01:59:49 PM »
Grumpy
thank you for that responce
I sincerely appreciate that info

Buzz
Odd how you were just reading something directly related to Grumpy's post

I personally don't think I can put into words how I feel about the work you are doing [and your personal sacrafice]
   
      Chet

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #71 on: January 13, 2009, 02:55:01 PM »
Grumpy,

Interesting post. I just got done scanning through some Smith stuff I found here:

http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci.htm

Smith and I could have hung. One of the first quotes that popped out at me is "The Universe contains no anomalies, and the appearance of an anomaly is warning that our understanding is inadequate."

He nailed that one. This is why I say things like "plasma is not a state of matter, it is matter in a state of change" and... If a law of physics has an exception, it is not a law, just a handy rule.

And law of physics that does not include a quantum component like (E=MC2) is just a rule. This is why the law of force can be violated (F=MA) Where is the time squared. The law itself is just a label for future use in a math equation, math equations designed dovetail into the descriptions of apples falling from trees, steam and fire.

These false law of physics were never updated when new information came along for a variety of reasons. One of which is you don't change science, you just wait for the dinosaurs to die and create a new breed of scientist. That new breed is growing up now in an era of thousands of cold fusion replications that can not be denied.
Yes, several physics laws have been corrected, expanded, or clarified.  For example the infamous "conservation of charge" does not apply to currents that do not have a "net charge", such as polarization currents, displacement currents, and magnetic currents.  Also, when using impulses, "conservation of energy" does not apply.  This changes the playing field considerably.


Another example would be Planks constant - "The speed of light in a vacuum is constant." It has always been assumed that space is a vacuum, only problem is that that vacuum is filled with charged quadrapoles such as out Sun. When light passes near a charged quadrapole, it slows down considerably. The result is the size of the universe once claimed just got a lot smaller.

Cosmologists would make that information public but imagine the paperwork that would result. Students that cling to the willful ignorance of their belief based education would begin to ask question and think. Couldn't have have now could we? Some of them might begin ask questions like "Is a free energy device possible?"

I too have a few experiences up close with antigravity scapecraft as close as 50 feet away and information exchanges between myself and they and have physical evidence of that. Not ever going to go into details but it is fair to say that shaped some of my thoughts regarding religion and science.

Our astro-nots got one hell of a surprise when they went to the moon.  It is small, and there is spacial aberation making men standing on the moon appear huge to the man in the space capsule above them - pretty wierd.  Then there were the structures on the dark side, and they switched to code talk.

Alternative energy devices are very possible and more than one approach will get you there.  You can take the Wilbert
Smith approach and manipulate the tempic field, or you can describe all of it as patterns in the aether, or twist the hell out of Maxwell's work, or you can approach it via cavitation which is easier to understand.  How or why can be figured out after it works.

The iron core is safe to play with since all your are going to do if you go OU is destroy a power supply or any electronics used in the device. The mechanical aspect of the motor produces a time lag for things to get controlled by you or fly apart if you go OU and this is also good.

This is why I like Thanes generator but wouldn't give you two cents for the inventor. I have been working on this lately and trust me, there is a lot of room for improvement if the cavitation information is applied.

I see he is now talking about producing data points and using smaller wire to predict better methods rather than winding another 1000 coils all the while bad mouthing me and posting senseless information about a thyristor.(like I don't know what it is or what it does.) That being said, I do wish him good luck, with his development methods, he depends on it.
The non-linear gain that I noted in my first coil should have been a blinking light to anyone interested in that device. Resonance is going to be one key aspect to high efficiency and there will be others such as coil winding methods - working on that now.

You could shape the HV coil like a cone and change the action of the spring.

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #73 on: January 14, 2009, 12:36:02 PM »
@ TheBuzz and all the other

I have a (for me) very important question. So when I understand the process of cavitation correct, we are only "destroying" matter to convert it into energy? Is that right ? So when we start the process of cavitation in a body, we can notice a loss in weight of this body ?

Sorry, I'm from Germany and my english is only based on bad school english...

Please, can you explain this sentence for me a bit more:
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every verified free energy device used cavitation to convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass

What do you mean with "contained within the mass" ... ?

Thank you
kind regards

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