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Author Topic: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?  (Read 78570 times)

Offline sparks

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #105 on: January 22, 2009, 03:47:27 PM »
@Buzz

       A plasma has coherent assembly of neuclides and electrons.  I think there is energy gain just creating plasma.   If the ionizing scource is coupled with a magnetic field which controls the electron acceleration then the energy stored in the electron proton field converts to the electron current in the plasma.  This is a selfperpecutaing current within the field of the plasma.   The conveyor chain of electrons allows for it's superconducting properties.  A conductor is a plasma.  The electron cloud forms on the skin of the conductor where we find most if not all the energy flows in a conductor.  This electron cloud is a negative plasma with the core of the conductor with a greater percentage of ionized copper (conductor) atoms.  The problem with this plasma is that the electron cloud is static and needs an outside force to turn it into an electron conveyor belt.  This is not to say that this electronic cloud isn't a good field to send some scalar waves through.  The cloud will act just like air molecules do with sound.  Pushing the cloud itself around is a ridiculous way to use it as a conductor.

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #106 on: January 22, 2009, 04:44:24 PM »
Well, let's hack through some bullshit.  Here are some facts in the world of chemistry:

1. molecular bond "breaking" is an endothermic process. (energy is received)

2. molecular bond "making" is an exothermic process. (energy is given)

3. in general, the longer a chemical bond the weaker it is.

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #107 on: January 22, 2009, 05:45:47 PM »
    So lets breakem at point a and extract heat from the ambient and makem at point b and get this shit rolling.  The second law of thermal dynamics works if you expand the "system"
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Well, let's hack through some bullshit.  Here are some facts in the world of chemistry:

1. molecular bond "breaking" is an endothermic process. (energy is received)

2. molecular bond "making" is an exothermic process. (energy is given)

3. in general, the longer a chemical bond the weaker it is.


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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #107 on: January 22, 2009, 05:45:47 PM »
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #108 on: January 22, 2009, 09:46:41 PM »
Hey Grumpy, I doubt that you can prove that Meyer didn't use the light in his early devices any more than I can.. What I can prove is that the cell had more to it than people are willing to see. Here is a photo of the cell from Meyer's video. Notice the clip holding something in the center tube? What is that?

Could it be a piezo device? The bubbles don't get large and float to the top quickly so I doubt there is a huge amount of ultra sonic energy taking place.

Could it be something holding a gas discharge tube? It is well known that Meyer's patented generator had a high and low voltage side. Look at what the water spark plug people are doing in creating a cavitation to explode water. Could that light be used to trigger the high voltage side like the trigger on a xenon tube? Was is consuming electrons? A spark gap?

Questions that are worth looking into if one assumes that a gas discharge lamp is a cavitation device which I feel it is.

I know why he used the light and how it must be applied.  It is not required but would increase the yield.  This is not a light device unless water is pretreated by running it through this device - which may be the case - since the light is not at the location of the reaction between the cell tube walls.

If that object in the center of the tube is a vibrator of some sort, the effect wouldn't be much more than a shking of the entire cell, possibly to shake bubbles loose, but I have since identified a mechanism that indicates that vibration would also increase the gas yield.

Either seems likely and is probably further indicated by a change that shows up in a subsequent design. 

Spark gap is also a source of UV.

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Now I know exactly why he used piezo transducers. 
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #109 on: January 23, 2009, 12:06:39 AM »
Gentlemen

I'm confused [typically I'm always confused, this time more so]

The gas filled tube theory [seems Tesla loved tubes]

The Piezo transducer [I believed tuned to a specific frequency [one that beats the piss out of water]

The big  'doesn't heat up the cell'  thing

The simple neon circuit?

So many cool ideas !!

How can we test some of them??

    Chet

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #109 on: January 23, 2009, 12:06:39 AM »
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #110 on: January 23, 2009, 12:17:17 AM »
Gentlemen

I'm confused [typically I'm always confused, this time more so]

The gas filled tube theory [seems Tesla loved tubes]

The Piezo transducer [I believed tuned to a specific frequency [one that beats the piss out of water]

The big  'doesn't heat up the cell'  thing

The simple neon circuit?

So many cool ideas !!

How can we test some of them??

    Chet

Yeah, most just don't get it.

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #111 on: January 23, 2009, 12:48:01 AM »
Grumpy

'It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question'.

                                                                                                                                    -Frank Edwards
I really like that quote [and believe it]

Another one I like
'On to whomever much is given, much is required' [ To me this is similar to Frank Edwards] Implying a responsibility to the GIFTED amongst us

I actually think I am more excited about Meyers discovery [or improvement on the idea] and less confused [due to recent ideas about how this is done]

My initial confusion revolved around all the possibilities

 Know Im just freakin excited

     Chet

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #112 on: January 23, 2009, 01:13:07 AM »
BUZZ
I had no idea, President!!

WOW!!

I like your joke

And your ideas/observations

Chet

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #113 on: January 23, 2009, 01:23:45 AM »
     @ramset

   The problem with Stan Myers work is he had a shitload of stuff hitting the patent office trying to sewup any kinda lowamperage fracturing of watta amongst other things.   If you look at one of his first cells it's a duplicate of Tesla's ozone pattent but Tesla ionized air to get ozone and Myers got himself some hydrogen.  By using the watta as the dielectric in a capacitor and using it in a resonant circuit of course he is going to use less energy then just pushing straight dc at it.  He uses a feed back circuit that senses his capacitance and adjusts the resonator to keep it in tune.  The dielectric current is very pervasive well able to influence the electron to proton bond never mind the hydrogen bonds.   Like all inquisitive minds he keeps fuckin around tuning to different types of watta and gets some shit to happen like buzz is talking about (cold fusion).  This happens when he hits some mechanical resonance on his tubes.  Then he continues on and makes sure his hydrogen fuel is an exact replacement for gasoline.  Jumps in his dune buggy and gets himself poisoned for fucking around with greedy insane people. Your time is gonna come watch out .... seems like it has come.

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #114 on: January 23, 2009, 01:43:30 AM »
    @Buzz

        When he developed his injector he introduced an ionized gas into the injector stream to make sure his fuel didnt turn back into water where you least expect it.  Some of his patents he has the water inside a magnetron looking thing and runs the cavity with the water in it and photodiode arrays  (uv scource if you ask me)  to keep things bubbling while the electrons get pulled out at the anode.
      Best overunity results I ever got were using rusted iron wire and pulsing it with high voltage.  Whats nice about iron wire (stainless steel I guess too) is you don't waste any energy resetting the magnetic domains every pulse.  The oxide layer provides a good conductor of dielectric currents too.  So you get all three of em going the same way. 

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #115 on: January 23, 2009, 01:48:31 AM »
Buzz
There was a fellow here, very recently looking for people to experiment with stainless wire [which he apparently had ordered special[ thousands of feet]
 I will try to find the link and post it here [it was a Meyers project]

Sparks
Thanks for the info

Grumpula
Thanks for starting this thread

Chet

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #116 on: January 23, 2009, 02:00:19 AM »
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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #117 on: January 23, 2009, 06:25:16 AM »
Buzz,

I have to be quiet for a little while.  Don't want to get poisoned or anything like that.

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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #118 on: January 23, 2009, 01:59:51 PM »
BUZZ
GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME BREAD!! [ I changed it]

My campaign slogan [For the gentile club President]

     Chet


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Re: Cavitation: Is it the key to alternative energy?
« Reply #119 on: January 23, 2009, 03:42:18 PM »
Fear not ye of little faith. These forums are self spooking. A civilian population acting with courage and a common positive goal cannot be defeated when they stand together.

The ozone point you or sparks made was a good one. That would explain what Meyer meant when he stated something to the effect of getting the oxygen atom to accept the bonding electrons from the H2O.

If you do a search on that diode Meyer mentioned, you get nothing. However if you search just the numeric aspect of the part number you come up with an LED made by HP used in laser printers and copiers.

All BS aside, you just wrote down the secret and no one knows it.  Except maybe a few Gentiles, a couple of Native Americans , and Topsiders.

 

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